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Trump Disapproval at 52%

Based on the votes of the people in each state. w/o it we would have had a Democratic Pres. the past 4 years.

Not if all the Dim-Moe-Rat Voter Fraud was removed from the popular vote. 🤓

And you would have had a second Rep from the Clinton Crime Syndicate as the President, not a true Democrat. JMOHO, but the Hillbillery is the true motivator behind all of the Arkancide that's happened.
 
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We absolutely should not be engaging in premarital sex if that is your question.

No, we shouldn't be actively partaking in sinful activity. There is always a price to pay.

I think the point that you're trying to make is that, "since everyone has premarital sex, we shouldn't call it sinful behavior because that makes the behavior more harmful to them spiritually."

That's not how it works. Agree most Christians have premarital sex. That doesn’t make it OK with God. God deals with that person as only he could understand. I know that God has dealt with me on that exact issue.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying I don’t think it is sinful at all. God gave us the gift of a libido. He only wants us to use it responsibly. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.
 
I know exactly where @BSC911 is coming from because I swear he sounds exactly like how I was. Notice he mentions everything through the Catholic Church as if its the Church who saves. I don't ever recall reading anything anywhere that states Jesus saying that in order to be saved you must accept me as Savior AND become a Catholic.
Wrong Wrong Wrong. I never said it was the Church that saves. Thats preposterous. Only God can save. And Mariano Rivera.

I don’t think you’ve gotten anything right on this entire subject.
 
I don't know anyone, other than you now, who doesn't believe that premarital sex is a sin....assuming said person is a Christian.
You should get out more.



You’re missing my point. it’s a conundrum. As I said, the Catholic Church considers it a sin. But only loosely enforces it. But you can’t receive forgiveness for a sin that you intend to continue doing. So unless it was a mistake and pledge to not intentionally perform the act again, then you won’t be free from sin. That would be like asking God for forgiveness for murdering, raping or other grave sins, with no intention to stop. It’s meaningless.

God doesn’t excuse some sins but allow others.
 
I texted 4 Catholic friends and my sister...all say that premarital sex is a sin.

Of course. That’s the Church’s official position, and what we are all taught. And for good reason.

Now ask them if they did it anyway. Same with contraception.
 
I’m disgusted by the president’s words and actions. I don’t have any firsthand knowledge of the reported incidents, but they ring true to me because of previous reporting and things Trump has said,” said retired Marine Corps Col. Dave Lapan, who formerly served as spokesperson for DoD and Homeland Security under Kelly.
What actions? I keep hearing this from the left. Actions are louder than words, so if you trying to say his words are his actions, than you are completely wrong. Trump will say some outrageous things but his actions have been consistent and rational.
 
What actions? I keep hearing this from the left,
All of them. And that’s from the Col. If you don’t know what he’s talking about, then there’s nothing I can say to convince you. Stay in your bubble.
 
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying I don’t think it is sinful at all. God gave us the gift of a libido. He only wants us to use it responsibly. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

I think that you pick and choose what suits you from the Bible. Sex is a gift from God. Premarital sex is a sin against God.

That's not me being holier-than-thou. I committed that sin as well...but I don't get to pretend like it isn't a sin because "everyone is doing it."

On your other point, sexual compatibility, premarital sex also leads to some sexual dysfunction in marriage. If two people are in love and don't have premarital sexual baggage, they will develop a healthy sexual relationship after marriage because God will bless it. OTOH, if you think God is blessing sinful behavior, agree to disagree...because I too have read the Bible and that one is verbatim.
 
You should get out more.

Maybe you should stay in.


You’re missing my point. it’s a conundrum. As I said, the Catholic Church considers it a sin. But only loosely enforces it. But you can’t receive forgiveness for a sin that you intend to continue doing. So unless it was a mistake and pledge to not intentionally perform the act again, then you won’t be free from sin. That would be like asking God for forgiveness for murdering, raping or other grave sins, with no intention to stop. It’s meaningless.

God doesn’t excuse some sins but allow others.

Oh my....I've never agreed less with a group of words. God does not make deals on which of his laws that we need to follow. There's no wink-wink. It's a sin, period and there's punishment. Every time, always.
 
All of them. And that’s from the Col. If you don’t know what he’s talking about, then there’s nothing I can say to convince you. Stay in your bubble.
Name some. I can name many when Obama was president. His administration sold guns to the cartels, which resulted in at least one federal agent’s death during fast and furious. He weaponIzed the IRS to target conservative organizations for tax exemptions. He created a void in the Middle East by directly being responsible for the Arab Spring which created the worst refugee crisis since WW2. He weaponized the DOJ and intelligence community to spy on a political opponent. He did nothing to stop the Hands Up don’t Shoot movement, which resulted in numerous police officer’s deaths and riots in Missouri. His economic recovery was the worst in the U.S. history, and Biden was his VP, and you are voting for him.
 
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Of course. That’s the Church’s official position, and what we are all taught. And for good reason.

Now ask them if they did it anyway. Same with contraception.

People sin. We are all fallen. That doesn’t make the sin less of a sin.

I'm literally shaking my head...."but only loosely enforces?" That’s the craziest thing I've ever heard.
 
People sin. We are all fallen. That doesn’t make the sin less of a sin.

I'm literally shaking my head...."but only loosely enforces?" That’s the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Ive never heard it at Mass. And I’ve spoken with priests about it. Obviously I’m married now so it of no concern.

Let’s say someone becomes widowed. Do you think the Church will tell them they are doing wrong by dating? What about someone divorced, which the Church doesn’t recognize. Do you think God doesnt want the person to have another loving relationship,ever again? I don’t.
 
Maybe you should stay in.




Oh my....I've never agreed less with a group of words. God does not make deals on which of his laws that we need to follow. There's no wink-wink. It's a sin, period and there's punishment. Every time, always.
Right. And God hasn’t ruled on the subject. It’s not in the 10 commandments. I don’t recall Jesus opining on the subject either.


Try to use critical thinking rather than just repeating what you were taught.
 
Name some. I can name many when Obama was president. His administration sold guns to the cartels, which resulted in at least one federal agent’s death during fast and furious. He weaponIzed the IRS to target conservative organizations for tax exemptions. He created a void in the Middle East by directly being responsible for the Arab Spring which created the worst refugee crisis since WW2. He weaponized the DOJ and intelligence community to spy on a political opponent. He did nothing to stop the Hands Up don’t Shoot movement, which resulted in numerous police officer’s deaths and riots in Missouri. His economic recovery was the worst in the U.S. history, and Biden was his VP, and you are voting for him.
Yep. And proud of it.

You in North Carolina? Just moved about an hour south of Asheville. Love it here.
 
Not if all the Dim-Moe-Rat Voter Fraud was removed from the popular vote. 🤓

And you would have had a second Rep from the Clinton Crime Syndicate as the President, not a true Democrat. JMOHO, but the Hillbillery is the true motivator behind all of the Arkancide that's happened.
If you say so, But I for one (of many) believe that republicans were just as guilty. Probably a wash if anything.
 
Ive never heard it at Mass. And I’ve spoken with priests about it. Obviously I’m married now so it of no concern.

Let’s say someone becomes widowed. Do you think the Church will tell them they are doing wrong by dating? What about someone divorced, which the Church doesn’t recognize. Do you think God doesnt want the person to have another loving relationship,ever again? I don’t.

Sex outside the confines of marriage is a sin. I don't know how else to say it.

It's obviously not unheard of or even uncommon...but regularity doesn't make it less of a sin.

Nothing wrong with a widower having sex again...after getting remarried.
 
Right. And God hasn’t ruled on the subject. It’s not in the 10 commandments. I don’t recall Jesus opining on the subject either.


Try to use critical thinking rather than just repeating what you were taught.

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"You shall not commit adultery"

Hebrews 13:4

“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
 
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What actions? I keep hearing this from the left. Actions are louder than words, so if you trying to say his words are his actions, than you are completely wrong. Trump will say some outrageous things but his actions have been consistent and rational.
Now my friend, you have been completely brainwashed. Consistent maybe, rational no way.
 
Yep. And proud of it.

You in North Carolina? Just moved about an hour south of Asheville. Love it here.
I’m in Wilmington but we have a family home in Bryson City. My parents built it in 1982 and it has been bestowed upon me to take care of it and pay the taxes on it. We get over there about three times a year. I wouldn’t mind keeping the house, but I prefer the Banner Elk area. I used to like Asheville but there are way to many people there now. The road system there can’t handle the amount of traffic. I’m guessing you are just south of Hendersonville, maybe near Saluda?
 
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I’m in Wilmington but we have a family home in Bryson City. My parents built it in 1982 and it has been bestowed upon me to take care of it and pay the taxes on it. We get over there about three times a year. I wouldn’t mind keeping the house, but I prefer the Banner Elk area. I used to like Asheville but there are way to many people there now. The road system there can’t handle the amount of traffic. I’m guessing you are just south of Hendersonville, maybe near Saluda?
Lake Toxaway. Between Brevard and Cashiers.
 
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"You shall not commit adultery"

Hebrews 13:4

“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
That’s not adultery.

Anything else?
 
Sex outside the confines of marriage is a sin. I don't know how else to say it.

It's obviously not unheard of or even uncommon...but regularity doesn't make it less of a sin.

Nothing wrong with a widower having sex again...after getting remarried.
OK dad. No way I’m getting remarried if my wife passes. Once is enough.

I guess you’re saying you knew it was a sin but did it anyway (I’m assuming). Basically thumbing your nose at God. I’m disappointed.
 
OK dad. No way I’m getting remarried if my wife passes. Once is enough.

I guess you’re saying you knew it was a sin but did it anyway (I’m assuming). Basically thumbing your nose at God. I’m disappointed.
I dont think you have one iota as to what Bama was saying. Read again. Sloooowy though.
 
Based on the votes of the people in each state. w/o it we would have had a Democratic Pres. the past 4 years.

No you wouldn't. Both candidates would have campaigned differently if you change the rules. How does simple logic evade the left so easily?
 
You guys seem overconfident in Trump’s chances.

Every Trump voter I’ve asked says that they voted for him mostly because they loathe the Clintons, not because they liked Trump. Biden doesn’t seem to grate on people as badly.

Without an unlikeable Hilary running against him, Trump doesn’t have that built-in advantage. As long as Biden keeps a bit of distance from the extreme wing of the Left, he has a good chance.
 
What actions? I keep hearing this from the left. Actions are louder than words, so if you trying to say his words are his actions, than you are completely wrong. Trump will say some outrageous things but his actions have been consistent and rational.

The sheep need the media to tell them what to be outraged about.

Classic example: A few years ago Trump visited Japan. The PM took him to a coy pond and they brought out some food so they could feed the fish. CNN showed a video of Trump laughing like a madman and just dumping all the food in the pond. CNN was outraged! Look at this childish brute! He could have killed every one of those fish! What an embarrassment he is on the global stage! Sheep like @BSC911 ate it up, said this proved Trump was a moron and embarrassment on the world stage.

Here's what CNN didn't mention: Trump was given the fish food and a small spoon. The Japanese PM invited him to join him in feeding the fish. So Trump took a small amount in the spoon and gently dropped it in the pond. The PM said it's ok, you can give them more than that. So Trump gives them a slightly bigger portion. Then the PM tells him go on, just dump the whole thing in there, it won't bother them!

So that's what Trump did, and that's what CNN aired. And that's how easy it is to hoodwink the sheep.
 
Now my friend, you have been completely brainwashed. Consistent maybe, rational no way.

What has Trump done that you think is irrational?

And I think your answers will say more about the values of the democratic party than they will the values of Donald Trump.
 
OK dad. No way I’m getting remarried if my wife passes. Once is enough.

I guess you’re saying you knew it was a sin but did it anyway (I’m assuming). Basically thumbing your nose at God. I’m disappointed.

Do what you like....free will and such, but it is what it is and it's none of my business.

As for your last troll, you can do better. I'm disappointed.
 
You should get out more.



You’re missing my point. it’s a conundrum. As I said, the Catholic Church considers it a sin. But only loosely enforces it. But you can’t receive forgiveness for a sin that you intend to continue doing. So unless it was a mistake and pledge to not intentionally perform the act again, then you won’t be free from sin. That would be like asking God for forgiveness for murdering, raping or other grave sins, with no intention to stop. It’s meaningless.

God doesn’t excuse some sins but allow others.
Okay, there's a lot to address here. Actually, the Church does not loosely enforce this sin of fornication and adultery. It is a mortal sin in the eyes of the Church. And consider this. In your act of contrition you state the words "And I resolve with the help of thy grace to sin no more, to do penance and to avoid the near occasion of sin." How many Catholics take those words seriously? I mean, that being the case, then hardly any Catholic would be freed from sin. It's all meaningless. We are sinners. We have concupiscence we fight (the strong passionate desire for what God had condemned.) This notion is illogical. Think about this. You go to a priest for forgiveness of your sins. Your priest is acting in persona Christi (in the person of Christ). You have a girlfriend. She is sexy hot. You are weak because God has blessed you with a strong gift of testosterone. One thing leads to another, and boom you did it with her. Well that only opened the floodgates. Unless you're a Saint you're gonna fall again, and again, and again X10. You keep asking forgiveness. This one priest says it's a mortal sin. So you go and describe what's happening to another priest and he says it's a habitual issue and is only a venial sin, so you start doing your confessions with that priest so you won't be under mortal sin. That's a scary thought. But these two priests were acting in persona Christi yet gave two different opinions that are life-changing. BUT, the real answer is this: God is a God of love and mercy. You ask forgiveness and are forgiven. You ask to help you with the willful intent to change and go on with your life. It was Jesus who forgave you. That's all you need - Jesus.
 
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Okay, there's a lot to address here. Actually, the Church does not loosely enforce this sin of fornication and adultery. It is a mortal sin in the eyes of the Church. And consider this. In your act of contrition you state the words "And I resolve with the help of thy grace to sin no more, to do penance and to avoid the near occasion of sin." How many Catholics take those words seriously? I mean, that being the case, then hardly any Catholic would be freed from sin. It's all meaningless. We are sinners. We have concupiscence we fight (the strong passionate desire for what God had condemned.) This notion is illogical. Think about this. You go to a priest for forgiveness of your sins. Your priest is acting in persona Christi (in the person of Christ). You have a girlfriend. She is sexy hot. You are weak because God has blessed you with a strong gift of testosterone. One thing leads to another, and boom you did it with her. Well that only opened the floodgates. Unless you're a Saint you're gonna fall again, and again, and again X10. You keep asking forgiveness. This one priest says it's a mortal sin. So you go and describe what's happening to another priest and he says it's a habitual issue and is only a venial sin, so you start doing your confessions with that priest so you won't be under mortal sin. That's a scary thought. But these two priests were acting in persona Christi yet gave two different opinions that are life-changing. BUT, the real answer is this: God is a God of love and mercy. You ask forgiveness and are forgiven. You ask to help you with the willful intent to change and go on with your life. It was Jesus who forgave you. That's all you need - Jesus.
Wtf are you talking about. First of all, I’m not talking about adultery. And fornication? This isn’t the 1950s any more. Sex between two unmarried consenting adults is a perfectly natural, even necessary experience. It’s not a weakness. It’s a gift from God. There is nothing to ask forgiveness for.

the Old Testament’s most detailed list of sexually immoral acts (Leviticus 18) does not include sex before marriage.

 
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Not if all the Dim-Moe-Rat Voter Fraud was removed from the popular vote. 🤓

And you would have had a second Rep from the Clinton Crime Syndicate as the President, not a true Democrat. JMOHO, but the Hillbillery is the true motivator behind all of the Arkancide that's happened.
What do you think about Trump calling you a loser and a sucker for having served? Is there anything that he can do to disappoint you?
 
Wtf are you talking about. First of all, I’m not talking about adultery. And fornication? This isn’t the 1950s any more. Sex between two unmarried consenting adults is a perfectly natural, even necessary experience. It’s not a weakness. It’s a gift from God. There is nothing to ask forgiveness for.

What, so God came down sometime after the 1950s and changed the rules?

You are confusing what man views as sinful behavior and what God has said is sinful behavior.
 
What do you think about Trump calling you a loser and a sucker for having served? Is there anything that he can do to disappoint you?

I find it incredible that sheep can fall for this.

So in order for this story to be true, that means that 4 anonymous sources all had first-hand evidence that Trump had called soldiers losers...and then SAT ON THAT EVIDENCE FOR TWO YEARS.

That story would have run instantly with names attached.

It runs 2 years later, anonymously. And the hell of it is, the veterans are the ones disproving it. By sharing stories of how Trump reached out for them and cared for them.

I mean, everything the dems have tried to get Trump falls spectacularly, and the sheep fall for it every time. I swear I sometimes think they are all working for Trump.
 
Wtf are you talking about. First of all, I’m not talking about adultery. And fornication? This isn’t the 1950s any more. Sex between two unmarried consenting adults is a perfectly natural, even necessary experience. It’s not a weakness. It’s a gift from God. There is nothing to ask forgiveness for.

the Old Testament’s most detailed list of sexually immoral acts (Leviticus 18) does not include sex before marriage.

Well there you have it folks. Now we know why he's voting for Hiden. That's the strangest justification for sin I've ever heard. If you cannot see fornication/adultery for what it is, sin, then how can you see abortion as sin. No wonder you think it's no big deal. You've got some serious spiritual problems. If I were you I'd consider atheism - it's right up your alley. Besides, the democrats making decisions seem to be atheistic anyway.
 
Well there you have it folks. Now we know why he's voting for Hiden. That's the strangest justification for sin I've ever heard. If you cannot see fornication/adultery for what it is, sin, then how can you see abortion as sin. No wonder you think it's no big deal. You've got some serious spiritual problems. If I were you I'd consider atheism - it's right up your alley. Besides, the democrats making decisions seem to be atheistic anyway.

Yeah that answer was pretty revealing.
 
Wtf are you talking about. First of all, I’m not talking about adultery. And fornication? This isn’t the 1950s any more. Sex between two unmarried consenting adults is a perfectly natural, even necessary experience. It’s not a weakness. It’s a gift from God. There is nothing to ask forgiveness for.

the Old Testament’s most detailed list of sexually immoral acts (Leviticus 18) does not include sex before marriage.


You should start your own religion...that way you could stop picking and choosing what to believe from an existing religion.
 
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