And you don't care that people who were there, who are on record and not anonymous sources, say they never heard him say any such thing.
Are you certain that you aren't in a cult?
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And you don't care that people who were there, who are on record and not anonymous sources, say they never heard him say any such thing.
Are you certain that you aren't in a cult?
Why is that disgusting. I’m not Baptist, so what do I know. That used to be a thing, didn’t it? At least in the movie Footloose.
Our VP won’t have lunch with an unaccompanied women.
Many people still think premarital sex is a sin. And masturbation. And contraception. And celebrating birthdays.
There are many religious beliefs that outsiders find odd. Who am I to judge. .
Odd to me that you didn't just say that instead of not really.
Also, if a "Jew" has accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, he has achieved salvation. Christianity is not a "church of the works" where you can somehow earn salvation. In fact you will never earn it.
It's a step in the right direction. But what it isn't is what you were trying to make it out to be. Lots of room between very unfavorable and dude has my vote.
Let’s see. You don’t believe Stormey, or Cohen, or the dozen of women who allege sexual abuse, or his niece, or Bolton, or the multitude of other people that have inside knowledge of what goes on.
In other words, you don’t believe anyone who says anything negative about Trump.
You know exactly what you were doing when you asked that question. It's what you always do...which is snarky and faux elitism but isn't typically over the line. When you do it in reference to my faith, it's over the line and yep, it's disgusting.
You asked if I believed what he said. I. Said not really. Seems pretty straightforward.
Jews don’t accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Otherwise they would be Christians. So you are saying there are no Jews in heaven. Correct?
The Bible also teaches you can’t achieve salvation by faith alone.
I saw Footloose too so it must be true, right? 😆
I've never heard any of my pastors say any such thing.
Why would it be an insult to your faith. I was just curious if Baptist’s still believe that. No judgement here.
"Not really" is not really straightforward, no. Did I really need to type that? You are a stubborn man.
Some Jews have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. You realize that, right? Jew or Jewish does not only refer to religious connotation.
And salvation can only be achieved through faith.
What you're attempting to debate is how one defines faith...whether you realize it or not.
I think Footloose was actually based on a true story. Thanks for answering. There are a lot of misperceptions about the Catholic faith as well. I’m sure you’ve heard some of them.
But to show you I’m not just making that up, here you go.
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Why can't Southern Baptists dance?
I am a Southern Baptist myself, and I have always wondered: why in the world is there a ban on dancing? It's not of the devil. Dancing isn't a sin....
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Why do baptists think drinking and dancing are sins?
Ok I can understand the drinking, but drinking is only a sin if you get drunk. But then I understand why they may not want to partake of it at all. But what's so bad about dancing? And why do Baptists believe its a sin?
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What about drinking?
Btw, your statement “salvation can only be achieved by faith“ is a very Protestant way of thinking. Catholics dont believe that.
Not sure about that, but we do know that you believe anyone that says anything negative about Trump. And it always comes back to bite you on the ass.
Remember when you told us Mueller was gonna take down Trump? Instead he exonerated Trump and said he found no evidence of Trump colluding with Russia. And the first guilty plea from Durham's investigation is....a former member of Mueller's team. You are still too embarrassed to talk about that one. Don't blame you.
Remember when you told us Avennati and Stormy Daniels were gonna take down Trump? Now Avennati and Stormy are suing each other in court, I believe.
Remember when you told us Michael Cohen was gonna take down Trump? He's in jail with Avennati, but he did show us what a liar Fredo Cuomo was.
Remember when you told us John Bolton was gonna take down Trump? Now he's admitting that The Atlantic story is bogus and that Trump was right.
You are simply a glutton for being hoodwinked. All quite hilarious to watch.
I think Footloose was actually based on a true story. Thanks for answering. There are a lot of misperceptions about the Catholic faith as well. I’m sure you’ve heard some of them.
But to show you I’m not just making that up, here you go.
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Why can't Southern Baptists dance?
I am a Southern Baptist myself, and I have always wondered: why in the world is there a ban on dancing? It's not of the devil. Dancing isn't a sin....
Why do baptists think drinking and dancing are sins?
Ok I can understand the drinking, but drinking is only a sin if you get drunk. But then I understand why they may not want to partake of it at all. But what's so bad about dancing? And why do Baptists believe its a sin?
What about drinking?
Getting drunk is sinful imo. I'm not a big drinker but occasionally I have "too many."
I also believe premarital sex is sinful as you mentioned above. That doesn’t doom a person to hells fire but God certainly isn't going to bless such behavior.
Man your ignorance on almost every subject is outstanding.
BUT I will help you and give you a pass on the "Baptist" thing.
There are many flavors of baptist but most are discussing Southern Baptist" when they use the term.
BUT LOL Southern Baptists are not a monolith either. They are part of a coalition of churches that have a yearly convention wherein they make statements of consensus. I guess they could vote to cut ties with churches but its usually the other way around that a church would leave first.
The whole thing is very democratic.
If fact preachers "feel" called to leave and go to another church often after a church business meeting where he and the deacons disagree over spending or accusations of affairs etc.
Disclaimer: Let me state up front that while I am skeptical of the claim of being called in some cases I can not nor will not claim that those claims are false. It could be true. One must be careful not to claim that some one is lying in this regard as one can not know for sure if the person truly was moved by the Spirit or not
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Then the church goers split and form a new church.
One of my uncles changes churches like socks.
None of the churches I attended banned dancing. Many preached against drinking but never said you could not do it. My youth minister said he and his wife drank wine with meals and preceded to say one should not drink if it hurt ones witness. Of course us kids should not have been drinking period.
I consider myself non-denominational now. My daughter has begun attending a "campus" church and my son attends 2 different baptist churches. My wife goes with him to one of those.
My religious journey continues via youtube and podcasts.
I follow baptists and former Pentecostals mostly. They dive into the old testament to find out what God has hidden in there that the Jews of antiquity knew before their schism lead to the Pharasees, Sadducees and the Jews most aligned with Jesus teaching the Essenes. I dont recall them receiving His ire or even questioning Him. They did not have it all right. They are probably the authors of the dead sea scrolls.
The people I follow study Jewish customs, culture and history in order to properly determine what is being said and done in the new testament. They also focus heavily on prophecy and the tribulation yet to come.
They are dispensational, salvation by grace through Jesus alone and millennial.
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Again, you're attempting to define faith. Every Catholic i know, including my sister who has been named "Mother Seton" by their congregation several times (I think it'scalled Mother Seton???), believes that salvation comes through faith. Different denominations define faith in different ways but the cornerstone of salvation in all major Christian faiths is the acceptance of Christ as the son of God and your Lord and Savior. That's not to say that some denomination don't require other responsibilities but faith is the cornerstone.
You’re a cop. That goes with the territory.
I don’t know hardly anyone that still believe premarital sex is a sin. Except my son, who remained celibate until marriage. Like I said, I don’t judge others beliefs.
Based on the votes of the people in each state. w/o it we would have had a Democratic Pres. the past 4 years.
You’re right, I’m very ignorant about what Baptist’s believe. That’s why I asked. Thanks for sharing.
You remained celibate until marriage? Good for you.
Do you mind telling me your age? That’s a very old school way of thinking.
I don't know anyone, other than you now, who doesn't believe that premarital sex is a sin....assuming said person is a Christian.
I’m neither left or right but geez Trump opens his mouth and talks like a damn idiot
LOL I do think it's quite revealing that he's trying to pick a fight about religion with anyone that will engage him. You can easily tell which topics he is the most insecure about.
Lets put it this way, if you believe it’s a sin then you shouldn’t be doing it. Unless you are telling me it’s OK to actively partake in sinful activity. And with the overwhelming majority of people, including Christians, participating in premarital sex, you seem to be arguing they don’t care if they sin.
Even the priest who married us acknowledged that fact, although the Church’s official position hasn’t changed. Personally, I believe that only casual sex, or sex outside of love is a sin. But sexual compatibility is an important component of marriage IMO.
As DC mentioned above, it's about "witnessing" even when we don't realize that we are witnessing.
I had a friend in crisis who told me, "I want what you have." I had no idea what he meant. He knew I was a Christian, I wasn't shy or embarrassed about it, but I never shoved it down his throat either. He was a big drinker and smoked a lot of weed and he struggled to maintain relationships and jobs. My relative sobriety and my ability to maintain healthy relationships "witnessed" to him whether I realized it or not. That, of course, is a double edged sword.
Also, alcohol ruins some peoples lives and the idea that I could be helping to tempt someone with a drinking problem bothers me.
Do you believe salvation is predestined, or belief is an individual choice?
We absolutely should not be engaging in premarital sex if that is your question.
No, we shouldn't be actively partaking in sinful activity. There is always a price to pay.
I think the point that you're trying to make is that, "since everyone has premarital sex, we shouldn't call it sinful behavior because that makes the behavior more harmful to them spiritually."
That's not how it works. Agree most Christians have premarital sex. That doesn’t make it OK with God. God deals with that person as only he could understand. I know that God has dealt with me on that exact issue.
IMHO Sin is a complicated subject. I feel its misunderstood. I believe that there are 3 kinds of law. Civil, Ceremonial and Moral. I believe the saved have been forgiven from all but is still required to follow the moral law lest he/she suffer temporal consequences for wrong behavior. Nations engaged in sin (except Israel) will be judged in the here and now for promotion of sin aka homosexuality being granted marriage status. Israel is the only nation that has eternal existence. In the end all of Israel will be saved. Baruch Haba B'Shem Yahweh/Adonai
The littlest sin condemns one in the afterlife. In that regard all sin is the same.
But here in the temporal realm some sins are worse than others in its earthly judgement. Acceptance of homosexuality eventually causes the land to vomit out its inhabitants. Some sins require the community to eject the offender and others call for death.
So different punishment requirements show that not all sins are equal on the earthly plain of existence.
I am not a Calvinist.
What do you mean "not really"? You claim all outside the Catholic Church (the One True Church) is going to hell, because you yourself said outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
And as for you thinking I believe you are going to hell is not right either. All I am saying is within your belief system you are in a state of mortal sin if you vote for Biden and I showed you what a priest said on the EWTN website. You then pooed it off saying it wasn't official Church information. Apparently, you don't know much about EWTN or you would have accept the info without question. BTW, I've been to EWTN in Irondale, Alabama several times. In fact, I had one of the most awesome confessions there with a priest who walked with me around the site for about an hour and I pretty much went through my whole life with him. Also was on Mother Angelica Live - a studio visitor. That was awesome to see behind the scenes. Back then the nuns were there, but now brothers and priests stay there. The nuns went north to a monastery built for them. In case you might be interested...
I know exactly where @BSC911 is coming from because I swear he sounds exactly like how I was. Notice he mentions everything through the Catholic Church as if its the Church who saves. I don't ever recall reading anything anywhere that states Jesus saying that in order to be saved you must accept me as Savior AND become a Catholic.
I texted 4 Catholic friends and my sister...all say that premarital sex is a sin.
Now text them and ask them if homosexual sex is a sin? Do not allow weasel answers like all sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Follow up with "Does the Bible teach man and woman or anything goes?"We have to take the culture back for long term success.
