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Treon Harris is the worst QB in FBS history

We would have sacked Grier twice as much and you still would have lost...face it we're just better than you
Actually Grier has much better pocket presence than Harris and is better than Harris at avoiding the rush and sacks and is more decisive with the ball. I think Grier is a better runner than Harris. You wouldn't have gotten more sacks with Grier at QB. That is incorrect.
 
The situation was no doubt getting better with Grier but it would still have been a shitty situation overall. Assuming Harris would have transferred our depth chart would have been Grier, walk on, walk on, true freshman. We're one sprained ankle away from playing a walkon or a true freshman QB, that's horrible. And no it isn't Mac's fault, that's all on the last staff. But the point is, it absolutely can be worse. I'm certain Mac is beyond frustrated right now. If we had anybody else worth a damn they'd be playing.
of course it wouldn't have been an ideal situation but still much better than the predicament we are in now. Having Grier would be much better than not having Grier. Mac was dealt a crappy hand by Muschamp and it got crappier due to a very poor decision by Grier. He has to patch something together quickly at the QB spot much like the staff had to do in the offseason with the oline.
 
Paco, stop.

You can't pretend like you don't, to this very day, believe that Driskel is a great QB who just got a bad deal.

It's just convenient that you can bash Treon now, because in some odd way, it vindicates old Jeffy.

The problem with dOOM was the lack of improvement (coaching) shown from any QB. Nor, did he recruit any suitable QB replacements, in 4 years. BOOM'S offensive line recruits, are offensive, too my eyes. Sixteen year old stoners, skipping school to watch cartoons, have better foresight than dOOM. The guy who wanted to win every game 9-3... didn't have a kicker.

It is going to take more than a year to get rid of the dead smell in the room. Smells like dOOM.
 
When I originally (last year) said that Treon was 'not good enough' to be the Gator QB, many claimed that I was a racist instead of just a knowledgeable football fan (ignoring the fact that I continued to support Leak after TT arrived). TH's 'off the field' behavior was imo, bad enough to make him a liability for UF, with no saving grace as a player. Being 'proven correct' is at this point, not a positive item for me,,, :( and I would have greatly appreciated being proven wrong instead. Didn't happen.... o_O

I was also attacked by some for asking why they have 5 other eligible QB's on the roster, if none of them is good enough to even play in a game. If we have 2 GREAT QB coaches (Mc-Nuss) then we should be able to coach up at least one other (of those 5) to at least play some in the games, especially when the starter is not getting it done on game days. o_O:confused:o_O --- Otherwise, the significant COST of having them on the roster is totally unjustified imo.

I have some concern that 'the inmates might still be running the asylum' on 'who gets to play' and who doesn't. That's very bad for everyone if so. If certain players will only play if Treon is the QB, then Mc has much bigger problems than just who plays QB on game days.... :oops: Say it ain't so.... o_O

PS

Next season's possible roster QB's will include:

QB-PP Jacob Guy 6-5 222 rsSr SQ P-WO *** (FL 5A Playoff Final Four)

#17 QB-PP/TE Anderson Proctor 6-3 209 rsJr **** (ESPN) P-WO - Vero Beach.

#27 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 216 rsJr *** WO - UA/OreSt xfer - Colo 5A Champ (2012 Elite 11) - Sr - 2,275 yds, 28 TD's, 4 Ints, (7.0 to 1)

#7 QB-DT/RB Treon Harris 5-11 195 Jr 1L **** (49.5% - 4.5 ypc) - 2x 4A State Champs
UF- P - 55 of 111, 49.5%, 1,019 yds, 9 TD's, 4 Ints, (2.3 to 1) -- R - 75, 338 yds, 4.5 ypc 3 TD's.

#2 QB-DT Will Grier 6-2 215 rsSo SQ ***** (Parade HS PoY, #2 QB-DT at Elite 11)
Passing - 14,565 yds, 195 TD's, 27 Ints. (7.2 to 1)
Rushing - 2,955 yds, 31 TD's, 7 LPF's.
3 Year HS Career Offense: 17,520 yards, 226 TD's, 34 Turnovers (6.65 to 1 TD/Turnover Ratio).

QB-PP Brian Fallace 6-4 206 4.57/40 rsSo *** WO - Melbourne (5A) Satellite Beach - SPARQ 69.78

QB Harry Gornto IV 6-2 195 rsFr *** P-WO - Fort Walton Beach (FL 6A Playoff Final Four)
Nike Sparq score 102.6. (New Orleans, March 2014). #1 QB through 6 Sparq combines and #38 overall (over 7000 athletes) Nike Combine (N.O.) All Combine Team (at QB) March 2014. He's also in the International Baccalaureate (IB) college prep program, maintains a 4.2 GPA, and made a 33 on the ACT. (should be able to quickly learn the playbook) o_O

Newbee recruit:
#90 QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-6 211 Fr *** - Manvel, TX (Nuss say's he's a 5 Star)

Possible:
#3 QB-PP Feleipe Franks 6-6 219 Fr **** 6.0 Early Enrollee (r- 39/100) - Crawfordville, FL

And anyone who claims that all true freshmen are not able to be effective playing QB are clueless/ignorant of football history at UF. Here's a shining example of it.

QB Chris Leak 6-0 200 Fr beat 3 consecutive Top 11 Teams, on the road in 2003.
UF 19 - 7 @ LSU (their only loss while winning the BCS-NC)
UF 33 - 28 @ Ark
UF 16 - 13 UGA @ WLOCP


 
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You keep on repeating same mantra re:eek:ther options i.e. guy was a walk on at Vandy and he can't play. Marshall was a DB at GA before Malzahn ran out of options. Unless the next guy keeps throwing the ball over the fence in practice or lisps so badly that he cannot be understood in huddle, you try him out. We see what current QB can do, and with that, who believes the next few weeks will be any fun? Welcome back Space.
 
Can someone find that lady and put her in front of Treon? Getting suspended appears to be only hope of seeing a change. Mac is very Muschampish in his decision to stick with what isn't working. Not a good look for a proposed innovative guy.
Disagree. There are no backups to Treon at this point.
 
You keep on repeating same mantra re:eek:ther options i.e. guy was a walk on at Vandy and he can't play. Marshall was a DB at GA before Malzahn ran out of options. Unless the next guy keeps throwing the ball over the fence in practice or lisps so badly that he cannot be understood in huddle, you try him out. We see what current QB can do, and with that, who believes the next few weeks will be any fun? Welcome back Space.

You're leaving out the point where Marshall was also a dynamic QB in HS. Plenty of schools recruited him as a QB, he just chose to go to UGA to play DB. Our backups didn't even get scholarship offers from elsewhere. Also, after leaving UGA Marshall went to juco and played QB exclusively and won a championship. He never played because Malzahn ran out of options, he was brought in to start. And once at Auburn he ran an option offense with little passing responsibility which is nothing like what Mac wants to run. The situations aren't even analogous.
 
As much as I don't think Harris is a D1 QB at this point he is the best we got. Grady and Guy are worse. That is what we are down to at this point. Next year we throw Del Rio into the mix and hopefully Feleipe Franks and maybe another transfer/JUCO. Franks is an EE so that is a bonus.
 
Insta,

I wonder how you reconcile making the statement that Treon and Tarbor were selfish idots who didn't deserve their scholarships for being suspended before the UT game with Grier making a decision that negatively impacts the program for two years and him NOT being selfish. Would love to see you tap dance around that view.

And I say that 100% thinking the suspension is bullshit. But there's no way to reconcile those two views. Please explain. TIA.
 
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Actually Grier has much better pocket presence than Harris and is better than Harris at avoiding the rush and sacks and is more decisive with the ball. I think Grier is a better runner than Harris. You wouldn't have gotten more sacks with Grier at QB. That is incorrect.

The thing about Grier is that he gets the ball out quick, he reads the field much better and because of that he throws the ball more...and with more accuracy...that's why he's a more confident QB...and the pay book is just bigger and Grier is much more effective. Withe way we won't see him for a while. Treon looked horrible yesterday...I mean as bad as can be.
 
Ooze, I have you on ignore, but for today I hit the button to see 'ignored' comments.

I will not debate your 'straw-man' comments. You can do that for yourself. :p

Now, you can either discuss what I've actually posted above or not, I really don't care. o_O
 
So you won't address it because you're a hypocrite. Thanks for clearing that up.

And there is nothing 'straw man' about my comments, you don't know what that means clearly. You claimed one QB should lose his scholarship because of a suspension due to his 'selfishness' but another QB gets suspended for a year which effectively screws the program for a season and a half and that isn't selfish. Ok.

And I'm curious as to which posters called you racist last year for not supporting Harris considering you were banned from this very board at this time last year. So you most certainly weren't attacked by anybody here. Or is that more of your delusion coming to light?
 
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oozie - I agree with you that the OLine play has been poor, although last night I would probably describe it as inconsistent rather than poor. You can also argue that the play calling is not doing Treon any favors, and I can buy that. But you can't excuse the accuracy, or lack thereof. How many wide open receivers did he miss last night? And several of his completions were so far off target that they'd take the receiver out of bounds or force him to adjust so much that there was no chance of YAC. He's really, really bad. If he made up for it with his legs would be one thing, but he rarely does.

I'd rather see Grady in and them run option or wildcat all night than watch the offense that we've seen the past month. I jokingly told my wife that f$u had an insurmountable lead when they hit that first field goal. Sadly I was correct.
 
The oline was NOT poor last night. I haven't even hinted that they were. They were fine as was the ground game. The QB was overwhelmingly the problem. Any issues I have with those units are over the life of this season, not last night.
 
Personal attacks on other posters is in violation of these board rules.
(I seem to be the exception to that rule most times -- but I've got your hypocrite swingin')

Strawman fallacy: An error in reasoning that renders an argument invalid.
I would further suggest that you are personally invalid. :p (thus ignored)


I never said where the racist comments came from, making you as bright as usual. :confused:

Now, back you go on the IGNORE list, as you've proven yet again to not be worth my time. :cool:
 
LOL. Hypocritical, lying clown. Not very bright either. Calling you a hypocrite when your comments have shown to be hypocritical isn't a personal attack either. But please keep plying the victim as you're known to do. It's a wonder how you end up banned from multiple boards when you never do anything. And if no one here called you a racist, why are you mentioning it...here? Race must obviously be on your mind.
 
Now that the deadwood has been dealt with, back to the thread... :cool:

When I originally (last year) said that Treon was 'not good enough' to be the Gator QB, many claimed that I was a racist instead of just a knowledgeable football fan (ignoring the fact that I continued to support Leak after TT arrived). TH's 'off the field' behavior was imo, bad enough to make him a liability for UF, with no saving grace as a player. Being 'proven correct' is at this point, not a positive item for me,,, :( and I would have greatly appreciated being proven wrong instead. Didn't happen.... o_O

I was also attacked by some for asking why they have 5 other eligible QB's on the roster, if none of them is good enough to even play in a game. If we have 2 GREAT QB coaches (Mc-Nuss) then we should be able to coach up at least one other (of those 5) to at least play some in the games, especially when the starter is not getting it done on game days. o_O:confused:o_O --- Otherwise, the significant COST of having them on the roster is totally unjustified imo.

I have some concern that 'the inmates might still be running the asylum' on 'who gets to play' and who doesn't. That's very bad for everyone if so. If certain players will only play if Treon is the QB, then Mc has much bigger problems than just who plays QB on game days.... :oops: Say it ain't so.... o_O

PS

Next season's possible roster QB's will include:

QB-PP Jacob Guy 6-5 222 rsSr SQ P-WO *** (FL 5A Playoff Final Four)

#17 QB-PP/TE Anderson Proctor 6-3 209 rsJr **** (ESPN) P-WO - Vero Beach.

#27 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 216 rsJr *** WO - UA/OreSt xfer - Colo 5A Champ (2012 Elite 11) - Sr - 2,275 yds, 28 TD's, 4 Ints, (7.0 to 1)

#7 QB-DT/RB Treon Harris 5-11 195 Jr 1L **** (49.5% - 4.5 ypc) - 2x 4A State Champs
UF- P - 55 of 111, 49.5%, 1,019 yds, 9 TD's, 4 Ints, (2.3 to 1) -- R - 75, 338 yds, 4.5 ypc 3 TD's.

#2 QB-DT Will Grier 6-2 215 rsSo SQ ***** (Parade HS PoY, #2 QB-DT at Elite 11)
Passing - 14,565 yds, 195 TD's, 27 Ints. (7.2 to 1)
Rushing - 2,955 yds, 31 TD's, 7 LPF's.
3 Year HS Career Offense: 17,520 yards, 226 TD's, 34 Turnovers (6.65 to 1 TD/Turnover Ratio).

QB-PP Brian Fallace 6-4 206 4.57/40 rsSo *** WO - Melbourne (5A) Satellite Beach - SPARQ 69.78

QB Harry Gornto IV 6-2 195 rsFr *** P-WO - Fort Walton Beach (FL 6A Playoff Final Four)
Nike Sparq score 102.6. (New Orleans, March 2014). #1 QB through 6 Sparq combines and #38 overall (over 7000 athletes) Nike Combine (N.O.) All Combine Team (at QB) March 2014. He's also in the International Baccalaureate (IB) college prep program, maintains a 4.2 GPA, and made a 33 on the ACT. (should be able to quickly learn the playbook) o_O

Newbee recruit:
#90 QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-6 211 Fr *** - Manvel, TX (Nuss say's he's a 5 Star)

Possible:
#3 QB-PP Feleipe Franks 6-6 219 Fr **** 6.0 Early Enrollee (r- 39/100) - Crawfordville, FL

And anyone who claims that all true freshmen are not able to be effective playing QB are clueless/ignorant of football history at UF. Here's a shining example of it.

QB Chris Leak 6-0 200 Fr beat 3 consecutive Top 11 Teams, on the road in 2003.
UF 19 - 7 @ LSU (their only loss while winning the BCS-NC)
UF 33 - 28 @ Ark
UF 16 - 13 UGA @ WLOCP

 
I skimmed through the last page and a half of this until an incredible thing happened.

Ooz vs. Insta.

My young Padawan learner vs the insane Sith Lord.

A bright spot in an other wise miserable weekend.
 
Johnson is really small too. Very similar to Treon actually. I believe he was listed at 5'11, 170 coming out. If they won't adjust the offense to Treon why the hell are they even recruiting him? They're the same type of QB. I'm telling you guys...Nuss is a clown of an OC. Only he would be fine recruiting a QB with the skillet that doesn't fit his offense.
Size ain't shit. Joe Montana? Russell Wilson and so many more. Treon doesn't have IT. IT is hitting an open receiver. IT is what Grier did vs U.T. on 4th down or against Mississippi. He doesn't have IT. Bad teams had big yards vs FAU but, we couldn't? Treon got sacked how many times? How many of you have yelled THROW IT the past 4-5 weeks when he starts running around? He's AWFUL and what the hell do we have to lose with Grady?

Shane Matthews was 5th string once and did O.K. when given a shot.

Stay with Harris and I see a 21-28 point loss ( or more with the over/under on their Heisman winner to be at 200 yards. ) coming this Saturday.
 
I truly do not understand the vitriol directed at Treon. It should be directed to Muschamp and Grier.
 
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But his performance is his responsibility. There are very doable things he continues to get wrong.
 
Grier actually checked off at the line and got rid of balls knowing blitzes were coming. Thats how we raped Ole Miss

Treon is just a black driskel
 
Grier actually checked off at the line and got rid of balls knowing blitzes were coming. Thats how we raped Ole Miss

Treon is just a black driskel
Driskel is succeeding. It may be time to lay off Driskel a little as it appears more and more like his failure was, at least in significant part, a product of coaching.

Treon...who really feels there is a football coach walking this earth that can do anything with him?

As for the checking off at the line, you're absolutely right. It's not that Treon doesn't "have IT between the ears," it's that he lacks "situational awareness." I think I got that right.
 
Driskel is succeeding. It may be time to lay off Driskel a little as it appears more and more like his failure was, at least in significant part, a product of coaching.

Treon...who really feels there is a football coach walking this earth that can do anything with him?

As for the checking off at the line, you're absolutely right. It's not that Treon doesn't "have IT between the ears," it's that he lacks "situational awareness." I think I got that right.

Sigh just a reminder, Driskel is putting up numbers against consistently bad defenses, is playing from behind a lot, and throwing about three times as many passes a game for the same or worse percentage.

Those are 99% of the reasons he has put up numbers this year.

If you go from 12-20 attempts per game to 35-45 attempts, guess what? You're going to double and triple your yardage, no matter how bad you are.
 
I bet a pay check that Treon smoked way, way too much ganja before he knew he was going to get tested. Then boom he refuses to pee and gets busted or he did and it came back positive. He will not make it in the NFL whatsoever heck he won't get drafted. He just needs to grow up and quit hanging the "ganja gangastas"
 
Sigh just a reminder, Driskel is putting up numbers against consistently bad defenses, is playing from behind a lot, and throwing about three times as many passes a game for the same or worse percentage.

Those are 99% of the reasons he has put up numbers this year.

If you go from 12-20 attempts per game to 35-45 attempts, guess what? You're going to double and triple your yardage, no matter how bad you are.
And he is dropping back 45 times a game behind an SEC-caliber OL and throwing 45 times a game to SEC-caliber receivers. So yeah, I get it now. Of course he's going to complete a lot of passes, at a good % and play well.

And what is Treon waiting for??? Get out to La Tech and do next year, what Driskel is doing this year!
 
And he is dropping back 45 times a game behind an SEC-caliber OL and throwing 45 times a game to SEC-caliber receivers. So yeah, I get it now. Of course he's going to complete a lot of passes, at a good % and play well.

And what is Treon waiting for??? Get out to La Tech and do next year, what Driskel is doing this year!

Treon is waiting to grow another 6 or 7 inches so he could at least see the field at the same level Driskel does.

Would at least cut down on a couple of his passes the barely skim over the OLs heads.


And dude, really? The snark about the SEC players he's not playing with?

Great argument, if he weren't playing with inferior talent AGAINST inferior talent. It's not like he's at La Tech playing against SEC teams.

Come on man, you're better than that.
 
A player has to step up and perform. It may not be fair, but Driskel got it, Dan Werner got it.

Driskel didn't get it, not early on anyway. Because we were winning despite his horrific games. There are people on this board who still defend him claiming the last staff ruined him, but then those same people will turn around and point to last year as a part of their argument when judging someone like Treon. How does that make any sense? So the last staff was so bad they ruined Driskel but Treon didn't suffer under them either? It's idiotic logic.

Then people want to throw Treon on the trash heap after all of 5 starts under a new staff, yet supported Driskel for 3+ years while he had performances that make Treon look like Brady in comparison. Treon absolutely needs to sit, he's been horrible and has regressed tremendously as this season has gone along. But if you put it in context, it's been about 5 games under a new staff in a new system vs. three years. And yet people still support the guy that sucked for 3 years. It's funny how people conveniently forget games like LSU 12' where Driskel had like 70 yards passing and at one point had as many interceptions as completions. Played so bad the coaches ran the ball like 50 straight times to keep him from doing anything. Or his 5 turnover disaster against UGA. Or his 130 yard performance against the likes of Toledo and on and on. And yet, he STILL has support. To the point where people had a thread here every week talking about how 'great' he's doing at Tech now that Muschamp can't 'ruin' him anymore. Can't explain those contradictory stances.
 
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I bet a pay check that Treon smoked way, way too much ganja before he knew he was going to get tested. Then boom he refuses to pee and gets busted or he did and it came back positive. He will not make it in the NFL whatsoever heck he won't get drafted. He just needs to grow up and quit hanging the "ganja gangastas"

I thought Harris did test & failed - and that Tabor was the one who refused to pee. Harris got suspended for the dreaded "violation of team rules" and the other guy got the same length suspension for refusing the test.
 
Sigh just a reminder, Driskel is putting up numbers against consistently bad defenses, is playing from behind a lot, and throwing about three times as many passes a game for the same or worse percentage.

Those are 99% of the reasons he has put up numbers this year.

If you go from 12-20 attempts per game to 35-45 attempts, guess what? You're going to double and triple your yardage, no matter how bad you are.
Excuse me but was FAU a good or bad defense? They suck and we got under 300 yards vs them? Treon was awful vs them. Look at what shitty teams put up agai.st them. Grier would have ate them up. If it's on again, watch the Ole Miss game. No way Treon makes some of those plays.

Watch his lo.g throws. Well his ducks. Below average arm and football I.Q. That is why we have nothing to lose with Grady.

If not....

Bama 45
Gators 7 on a defensive TD.
 
So is it your belief that we had any chance against Bama to begin with? Because if so, I question what you've been watching all season. They are a terrible matchup for us like Ole Miss was a terrible matchup for them. Bama has the best lines in all of college football on both sides. Some are predicting their d-line to have as many as THREE 1st rounders. They have the most powerful rushing attack in the country offensively. They are and were going to maul us up front, we have no answer for them up there. I mean our starting tackle got put on his ass by a TRUE FRESHMAN DEFENSIVE BACK on Saturday, and you think we have any chance to block Bama? For goodness sakes LSU embarrassed us on the LOS and their lines are not anywhere near Bama's. They were humiliated up in Tuscaloosa. We weren't winning that game, even if we had prime Dan Marino. And it has nothing to do with the QB. You guys live in an alternate reality.
 
So is it your belief that we had any chance against Bama to begin with? Because if so, I question what you've been watching all season. They are a terrible matchup for us like Ole Miss was a terrible matchup for them. Bama has the best lines in all of college football on both sides. Some are predicting their d-line to have as many as THREE 1st rounders. They have the most powerful rushing attack in the country offensively. They are and were going to maul us up front, we have no answer for them up there. I mean our starting tackle got put on his ass by a TRUE FRESHMAN DEFENSIVE BACK on Saturday, and you think we have any chance to block Bama? For goodness sakes LSU embarrassed us on the LOS and their lines are not anywhere near Bama's. They were humiliated up in Tuscaloosa. We weren't winning that game, even if we had prime Dan Marino. And it has nothing to do with the QB. You guys live in an alternate reality.
The way to beat Bama is throw it on them by spreading the field and making their LBs get out in space to try and cover people. Bama's D is very good but generally they are suspect against the pass. With Grier I would at least give us a chance to hit some passes and at least pick up some first downs. If we had Dan Marino we sure as hell would have a great chance to beat Bama. Our defense can keep us in any game against anybody in the country. They need some support from the offense.
 
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