Johnson is really small too. Very similar to Treon actually. I believe he was listed at 5'11, 170 coming out. If they won't adjust the offense to Treon why the hell are they even recruiting him? They're the same type of QB. I'm telling you guys...Nuss is a clown of an OC. Only he would be fine recruiting a QB with the skillet that doesn't fit his offense.
Treon Harris is the worst QB in FBS history
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He will never ever wear a UF uniform. Period. Yes the reporter has no idea what he is talking about. Coaches can't comment on particular recruits. This kid can say whatever he wants to a reporter and make it look Like he's being recruited by so and so. Just his brother his being recruited by UF.
Becuase they are not recruiting him. The kid is making stuff up. Nuss is not recruiting him. This kid will never take an official visit to UF because he will never even be asked to take an official visit to UF. This kid can say whatever he wants to the media etc. College coaches can't comment on particular recruits.
Well, he was being treated like a recruit. By UF. There are pictures of him wearing Gator garb and standing in the endzone prior to the game with a Gator special pass that is given to recruits.
His brother and his family were treated like a recruit, not him. He didn't get anything different than what his parents received. He's not been given a UF offer and he has not been invited to take an official visit to UF.
FWIW, Deandre Johnson actually played very well in the Spring and was making good progress until his altercation. He is a much better passer than Treon, imo, and is a big time competitor. I doubt UF will want to take him after what he did not video, however he could come in and be a contributor on your depth chart pretty quickly, imo. He was, arguably, doing better than Deondre Francois and JJ C. this past Spring.
No idea where he ends up, but I think some program will benefit.
No idea where he ends up, but I think some program will benefit.
I would hate to see Gator fans start saying how the girl deserved it. It's a bad look. I really hope he goes elsewhere.
I'll say it. We beat that fsu team comfortably with Grier. We beat them with a functioning QB. Its amazing the damage one guy can do.
ooz, sadgator will just agree to disagree strongly with you on this one. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the play calling last night (nor the line play overall) It was the execution of the QB. The other QBs may not have been great, but they never had a chance given the fact that Mus and crew never tried. We are totally trying now, and Treon just doesn't get it. The Mus debate rages on...
sadgator does agree with some that he is troubled that there hasn't been a switch at QB just for the hell of it. sadgator doesn't think Grady is the guy, nor is he "calling for him," but at some point in a game you have to think that you are totally stuck in quicksand and that you ought to grab onto any type of twig or branch to stop from being sucked under any further. As it is, sadgator just trusts that Mac doesn't think Grady can play at all.
There is absolutely no way that Harris starts for this team next year. They will find some body who they can actually work with JUCO or youngin' until Grier is cleared.
sadgator does agree with some that he is troubled that there hasn't been a switch at QB just for the hell of it. sadgator doesn't think Grady is the guy, nor is he "calling for him," but at some point in a game you have to think that you are totally stuck in quicksand and that you ought to grab onto any type of twig or branch to stop from being sucked under any further. As it is, sadgator just trusts that Mac doesn't think Grady can play at all.
There is absolutely no way that Harris starts for this team next year. They will find some body who they can actually work with JUCO or youngin' until Grier is cleared.
No I agree with you that the QB was the problem last night by far. But again, Driskel had numerous games of that caliber. Numerous. It is just quickly forgotten now, there really is no debate about whose worse between the two. And while we have better offensive coaches now, we also had better offensive talent last year so that's a wash. I keep saying it over and over. Our offense improved across the board in just about every metric dramatically when Treon took over for Driskel last year. And we clearly see that Treon is horrible. That's as big of an indictment as there is as to how bad Driskel was. How quickly y'all forget.
And it will get worse unless we bring in a juco. Del Rio is putrid. I'm all for starting a true freshman but they'd better fix all the other glaring issues or their careers will be done before it gets started. There will be too much on their shoulders and they'll be shellshocked. There no mystery as to why we keep having shitty QB after shitty QB, look deeper.
And it will get worse unless we bring in a juco. Del Rio is putrid. I'm all for starting a true freshman but they'd better fix all the other glaring issues or their careers will be done before it gets started. There will be too much on their shoulders and they'll be shellshocked. There no mystery as to why we keep having shitty QB after shitty QB, look deeper.
I basically agree with all points.
On QB: Treon badly missed several open receivers. Hell, he missed a wide open TD pass. He has little pocket awareness. He gets run down by big fat dudes and doesn't exhibit much speed. He is wildly inaccurate. He is indecisive. He isn't big enough to put his shoulder down and power for yardage. I don't care what the numbers say, he's nowhere near as good as Driskel, and Driskel was bad. I honestly don't understand what the coaching staff must be thinking when they see him run the offense. If Grady can't throw then use him and run all the damn time. Anything is better than what we've seen the past 3 or 4 weeks.
The past few games have been terribly reminiscent of muchump's second year. On the other hand, I had serious doubts about muschump even then, while I'm very confident that Mac is the right guy and will get it figured out. We will likely get our asses beat next week, but the bowl game will be critical. If we lose to some weak-ass, off brand, doorknob humpers like we did in the Sugar Bowl in chump's second season then I'll be shocked and concerned.
We have crappy QBs because Muschamp and his staff didn't recruit the offensive side of the ball. Grier has the potential to be very good but his dumb decision messed his own development up and messed up the team. So Grier deserves some of the blame for the mess we are in.
The Grier suspension certainly wasn't in Mac's plans and threw a wrench into the rebuilding process. The staff is gonna have to come up with some other alternate solution for next year. Some kind of quick fix or a serviceable QB until he can develop his QBs
The Grier suspension certainly wasn't in Mac's plans and threw a wrench into the rebuilding process. The staff is gonna have to come up with some other alternate solution for next year. Some kind of quick fix or a serviceable QB until he can develop his QBs
Driskel was terrible and so is Harris. It really isn't worth arguing which one is worse. A solution better than Harris needs to be found before before the first game next year.
I said in the past I didn't think height was a big problem for QBs in college football but it is obviously a big problem for Harris. Other short QBs have been fine in college but the lack of height is a big issue for Harris mainly because he has so many other deficiencies as well.
I said in the past I didn't think height was a big problem for QBs in college football but it is obviously a big problem for Harris. Other short QBs have been fine in college but the lack of height is a big issue for Harris mainly because he has so many other deficiencies as well.
And Sad, Nuss is absolutely as bad as Harris is, it's patently obvious. He doesn't do anything to mitigate the weaknesses on this team and that has gone back to game 1. We struggle running on anyone and yet we see no misdirection, just line up and run straight ahead. I've posted the numbers on here plenty of times. Dating back to game 1 an abnormal amount of our drives feature 3rd and longs, his play calling has a lot to do with that. Grier was good enough to bail us out of that a few times. Like against UT in the 4th or against Ole Miss when he was on fire. But that shouldn't be the case. We don't help our QB's.
Take last night and the few times we put good drives together. A ridiculously stupid call set us back each time. Like the one drive where we tried the Emory and Henry formation out the blue when we have a successful drive going...for what? We get an illegal formation and the rest is history. Or like our drive late in the 4th where Treon had the intentional grounding. It's 3rd and 3 and its 4-down territory. Why even throw on 3rd down with a QB whose proven to be indecisive and a shaky oline? The terrible decision to throw was made worse by the play call. We had two guys running hooks out to the right with no outlet option. The guy backside didn't even run a route. It was terrible.
And if all that doesn't convince you, we threw the ball 20 times in the first half. Me, you, and everybody else can see that we don't have the QB for that and yet we see 20 passes in one damn half while the back is picking up 4 yards a pop. He's the same guy who coordinated an offense in the 100s not even a year ago. He sucks.
Take last night and the few times we put good drives together. A ridiculously stupid call set us back each time. Like the one drive where we tried the Emory and Henry formation out the blue when we have a successful drive going...for what? We get an illegal formation and the rest is history. Or like our drive late in the 4th where Treon had the intentional grounding. It's 3rd and 3 and its 4-down territory. Why even throw on 3rd down with a QB whose proven to be indecisive and a shaky oline? The terrible decision to throw was made worse by the play call. We had two guys running hooks out to the right with no outlet option. The guy backside didn't even run a route. It was terrible.
And if all that doesn't convince you, we threw the ball 20 times in the first half. Me, you, and everybody else can see that we don't have the QB for that and yet we see 20 passes in one damn half while the back is picking up 4 yards a pop. He's the same guy who coordinated an offense in the 100s not even a year ago. He sucks.
sadgator does not agree with the statement that our offensive talent was better last year than this year. Our receiving corps is the best sadgator has seen in years. They are flat out being wasted because Treon will not deliver the ball to them.
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Treon is horrible and I don't think anybody with half a brain would argue otherwise. Is he worse than JD, probably, but it is so close it's not worth debating. A below average QB last night and Gators win this one.
Wide open receivers all over the field last night. Nuss can't throw it for him. He just won't let go of the ball. Like he is being intentionally defiant. It is he strangest thing ever.
Somebody needs to buy Treon a Fit Bit with a stopwatch alarm on it for Christmas. He obviously can't count to three in his head on his own.
Was up till 2 a.m. due to that train wreck. Do not put this on the OL. KT had a pretty Damn good game. Treon is just bad. You are supposed to get better with more starts and Vandy was awful, FAU was pure shit and last night was Treon worse. Why not try Grady? We had NOTHING to lose.
Treon was terrible last year too. His inability to hit wide open receivers in the game last year against the nolies was the major reason we lost.
Could it be that Drisk came in with such lofty rankings/expectations? From an outsiders point of view, Drisk seemed to use his legs on a consistent enough basis to remain a threat. Harris, otoh, just lacks any sort of confidence in there. I know FSU's front seven is very athletic, however FAU's, VAndy's etc are much more beatable, yet Harris just did not attempt to pressure a defense with his mobility. Going back to comparing the two...I think Drisk's shortfalls/results were magnified because he came in with such a high ceiling e.g. 'next TT, etc". Harris was probably not expected to develop for a few years, however he was thrust into action out of necessity. I thought he exceeded expectations when he played for the JD LY, but his confidence has certainly waned.
Actually, Brantley could be thrown in the conversation as well. UF has had a tough run with QBs since 2009.
Actually, Brantley could be thrown in the conversation as well. UF has had a tough run with QBs since 2009.
And please stop with the Gradu madness. Every single week you bring it up, it isn't happening. Are you really calling for a guy who was 3rd string at Vandy and so bad he got moved to receiver? Use some common sense people.
Early in the season Mac would take both Treon and Grier out of games for waaaaay less than we've seen the past few games. I'm certain if we had anybody better they'd be playing. And k mean anybody. The calling for ex third stringers and walkons is just nonsensical. We are effed until next year and maybe even then, that's the reality.
Early in the season Mac would take both Treon and Grier out of games for waaaaay less than we've seen the past few games. I'm certain if we had anybody better they'd be playing. And k mean anybody. The calling for ex third stringers and walkons is just nonsensical. We are effed until next year and maybe even then, that's the reality.
Read some responses before saying nobody put it on the OL.
Treon is awful pure and simple.
Try Grady.
Treon is awful pure and simple.
Try Grady.
Did you watch the last 4 games?
Grady can't do worse. Old Dominion tore up FAU and we couldn't move the ball? Try Grady.
There's no secret as to why the issues keep happening. We have had 5 different OC's in the last 6 years. You look at a guy like Murphy or Driskel for example and they were both spread guys forced to play in a pro style offense. That was compounded by shitty hires in Pease and Weis. Likewise with a guy like Treon who was brought here solely to run Roper's spread then a year later we're running a completely different offense he has no business being in.
So we have guys learning a different system every year AND playing behind bad olines with little skill talent. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but since 10' we've had exactly two skill guys drafted. Mike Gilislee and Jordan Reed. In the past we had triple that drafted every year. Look at some of Spurrier's teams for example. The entire starting receiving units were drafted highly. Same under Meyer. 3/5 of our oline got drafted in the first two rounds with the Pouncey's being 1st rounders. Harvin, Rainey, Cooper, Murphy, and Hernandez all drafted. And that's just off one years offense.
So in sum we keep switching offenses AND hiring bad coordinators on top of it, we play QB's before they're ready, and we lack offensive talent as compared to other major programs across the board. When we do have talent (like last years line) it's neutralized because of the other issues. And yet people keep focusing on the QB. It can't get worse they tell me. And every year it gets worse. You'd think we'd all figure out the problem by now. Instead we'll just keep cycling through QB's until our savior finally shows up.
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I've read them, no one blamed the oline. I know because I was the one to bring up the oline to begin with. And I only did so in comparing talent level between this year and last when evaluating both QB's. No one was blaming them for anything for the upteenth time, at least not in that game last night. You guys are just so conditioned to put everything on one person that if any other unit gets mentioned, even if to make a completely separate point, you guys get defensive about it because gee golly, it's all about one person and we must blame him at all cost! It's to the point where people are being intentionally obtuse and refusing to accept the obvious, like relative talent levels. Mention that and you're making excuses, the reasoning that goes on in here sometimes is a complete joke.
I say we go wildcat against Bama. With Treon back there we probably get shut out anyway, so what do we have to lose. Not to hijack the thread, but lost in all of this is the nice game by Taylor.
Four of our offensive linemen from a year ago are on NFL rosters and starting. Matt Jones will be a 1,000 yard rusher as a rookie, only Gurley has done better. So we had a good oline and a 1-2 punch at tailback with Taylor and Jones, we don't have that now. And our receiving core is exactly the same as it was a year ago save Calloway. DRob, Powell, etc were all there. DRob was actually more productive last year. So in addition to having a much better line, we also had the skill guys from this year. It's not even close really.
You guys have been saying it can't get worse since Tebow walked out the door and yet every year it gets worse. Wouldn't it be wise to start digging deeper by now? It's conceivable to you that every last one of these QB's have sucked?
And it absolutely could be worse. Grady couldn't get above scout team at Vandy, a team with w worse offense than ours but you'd think he's a viable option? I could maybe see that argument if he was here in the spring running the offense and learning it. He showed up here right before fall camp and has been at receiver until recently.
Our other options are:
Del Rio: walkon
Guy: walkon
And we'll have a true freshman next year who I'm all in favor of giving the job. But best believe there will be huge growing pains. That's what happens when you're playing a true freshman at the hardest position in the game against some of the best competitor in the country year after year. So yea, it absolutely can and probably will get worse before it gets any better.
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Our QB situation was headed In the right direction with Grier. You could see the potential
And the high ceiling he has. That has now been shot to crap.
I think the play calling has been fine this year. I do think we throw too much of first down. That is my biggest gripe. They tried to give Harris easy throws to start the game last night. He can't even make those.
Go back and watch the very first play of the game last night. Goolsby is wide open for an easy 10 yards gain. Instead the throw was so bad Goolsby had to reach back and caused him to lose his balance to adjust to make the catch and we gained only 1 yard. Then of course you have the wide open TD pass to Callaway in the 1st quarter. Simple throws like this literally can be the difference between winning and losing.
Don't you think it is a different game if Harris hits Callaway on that TD and we take a 7-0 lead?
I don't think it's too far fetched to say we win that game with Grier at QB.
And the high ceiling he has. That has now been shot to crap.
I think the play calling has been fine this year. I do think we throw too much of first down. That is my biggest gripe. They tried to give Harris easy throws to start the game last night. He can't even make those.
Go back and watch the very first play of the game last night. Goolsby is wide open for an easy 10 yards gain. Instead the throw was so bad Goolsby had to reach back and caused him to lose his balance to adjust to make the catch and we gained only 1 yard. Then of course you have the wide open TD pass to Callaway in the 1st quarter. Simple throws like this literally can be the difference between winning and losing.
Don't you think it is a different game if Harris hits Callaway on that TD and we take a 7-0 lead?
I don't think it's too far fetched to say we win that game with Grier at QB.
100% - look Treon isn't the answer and Grier can't be the answer until mid-next year. We need to either get a Juco QB or pray we land a stud Frosh. We'll simply have to roll with it.
The situation was no doubt getting better with Grier but it would still have been a shitty situation overall. Assuming Harris would have transferred our depth chart would have been Grier, walk on, walk on, true freshman. We're one sprained ankle away from playing a walkon or a true freshman QB, that's horrible. And no it isn't Mac's fault, that's all on the last staff. But the point is, it absolutely can be worse. I'm certain Mac is beyond frustrated right now. If we had anybody else worth a damn they'd be playing.
We would have sacked Grier twice as much and you still would have lost...face it we're just better than you
