This, That, & the Other,,, Stirring the Pot...

[instaGATOR]

My memory about Gator football things stretches stupid far off top... Elijah Williams got hurt before the 95 season and was playing RB with all the other guys named, him moving to another side of the ball would only speak to the other guys ability.. not that he wasn't talented as hell too.

Do you ever make a post when you're sober?

Elijah was a very good Gator RB, and I've never said or implied otherwise. I think he set the UF record for ypc in 1996 at over 7 ypc.

The then staff decided to make Taylor the 'featured' RB in 1997, (a good call at the time imo) so that they could switch 2 backs to other badly needed positions.
RB Elijah Williams to CB and played so well the Falcons's drafted him.
TB Eugene McCaslin switched to LB, and played so well the Packers drafted him at LB.

So in 1997, Elijah was NOT a part of a committee RB group, and that's what I called him on, after Bradley's preposterous comments on what I had posted.

 

[bradleygator]

So in 1997, Elijah was NOT a part of a committee RB group, and that's what I called him on, after Bradley's preposterous comments on what I had posted.

Ok, so the 1996 backfield was way better than the one you posted, along with the Neal Anderson backfield. As always, the point remains that you're FOS.

 

[instaGATOR]

Ok, so the 1996 backfield was way better than the one you posted, along with the Neal Anderson backfield. As always, the point remains that you're FOS.

Maybe you should look up the actual stats (if your dumb-azz even knows how to) before running your always ignorant mouth,,, butthead.

And me 'speculating' about next years committee of RB's output is just that, my speculation, so you're FoS on that point also.

 

[instaGATOR]

Moving right along,,, again.
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Total iG Speculation -- Is some moneyed alum (or small group of them) actually the ones making the coaching decisions, instead of the coaching staff? This is beginning to look a bit like a Snake (dan) Snyder team, with the kinds of decisions that are coming forth. A really sad day if so.... -- I guess that I'll just pray that it's the staff sandbagging the depth chart for LSU, among other things.... (stirring the pot indeed)
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Dumbaway out for good hopefully, so they are doomed at WR. (nope)
Cleveland gets the targets instead and he does well.
Now Cleveland out injured, next man (Green) gets the targets (maybe).

LSU will likely be expecting either Hammond or Swain to be the main target(s), to begin with anyway.
~ IF Hammond and Swain needed Cleveland to draw attention away from them so that they could make a catch or two in a game, then they are not the answer to losing Cleveland. Green could be an answer, if the coaches/QB use and target him,,,, so we'll see.

The Gators, have to now turn back to rsFr QB Feleipe Franks, after pulling him out of 2 of his first 3 starts.

And it's a cryin' shame that the QB can only lock in on one guy, instead of making all of the reads and using all of the receivers to the teams best advantage. That pinned-foot, and/or a coaching eye problem, is killing the offensive production it seems to me...

The offensive hits of the season so far imo are - M.Davis, K.Toney, M.Stephens, & D.Green if he's ever played and targeted...

Speaking of rivals 3 star #26 RB Davis,,, tolja!
He has rushed for 319 yards and 4 TD's while averaging 7.4 ypc. ~
~ Davis ranks 4th Nationally in rushing yards among 1st-year Fr.

I'm also betting that 3 star RB Lemons will do similar kinds of things, once he gets the playbook down solid. I have no doubts about his athletic abilities, he's just playing catch-up in some other critical areas for now,,, but soon. Lemon's needs to not be another Scarlett, but work to be another M.Davis, or better yet, be his own mature/stable Lemons. "You don't always get what you want,,, but if you try real hard,,, you'll get what you need."

One thing I know for sure is that just like with Dumbaway, they don't miss felony Scarlett at all with 'the doctor' (MD) on the field.

~ Plus, the defense has a long list of solid Fr hits already this season.

 

[instaGATOR]

A bit of information for the chronically ignorant, or lessons for losers...


1984 - 2,402 yards - 3 RB committee with over 600 yds each.
Neal Anderson - 916 yds
John L. Williams - 793 yds
Lorenzo Hampton - 693 yds
They were running in Pell's offense behind the best paid OL in college football,
'The since in-Famous Great Wall of Florida.
~ They were the most productive 3-RB group in UF history, behind that Wall.

1989 - Emmitt Smith's best season - 1,599 yds, 5.6 ypc as featured RB.
~ He's still UF's single season rushing yards record holder.
The problem with having a single 'featured' RB is that your running game goes in the toilet if he gets injured out, like he did in 1988.

1997 - Fred Taylor's best season - 1,292 yards, 6.0 ypc.
(2015 - Kelvin Taylor's best season - 1,035 yds, 4.0 ypc)

2003 - 1,718 yds by a RB committee that all had over 500 yds each.
Ran Carthon - 595 yds
Ciatrick Fason - 583 yds
Deshawn Wynn 540 yds
They did pretty good, (better than Smith's best season), even in Zook's offense.

2007 - 2,864 net yards, 5.3 ypc, 39 TD's
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Tebow 895 yds
Harvin 764 yds
Moore 580 yds
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James 133 yds
Newton 103 yds
Fason 89 yds
Cladwell 58 yds
And 4 more with a few here & there rushing yards.
There were 3 with 500+ combined yards. (2,339)

2008 - 3,105 net yards, 5.6 ypc, 30 TD's
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Tebow 910 yds
Demps 745 yds
Rainey 595 yds
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Moody 378 yds
Gillislee 267 yds
James 109 yds
Brantley 67 ys
And 5 more with a few here & there yards.
There were 3 with 500+ yards. (2,250)

2010 - 2,165 net yards, 4.3 ypc, 31 TD's (no Tebow)
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Demps 551 yds
Rainey 366 yds
Burton 349 yds
Reed 328 yds
Gillislee 325 yds
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Moody 265 yds
Hines 152 yds
And 4 more with a few here & there yards.
There were 5 with 300+ yards. (1,919)

2015 - 1,777 Net Yards, 3.5 ypc, 19 TD's
There was a 1,000+ yard runner.
Taylor 1,035 yds
Harris 238 yds
Scarlett 181 yds
Cronkrite 157 yds
Grier 116 yds
Powell 31 yds
And 6 more with a few here & there yards.
One 'featured' RB with nobody but Taylor having even 250 yards.

But even with that over-whelming stistical evidence, there are still some who refuse to accept that a solid committee of solid, consistent runners is far superior to just having a 1,000+ yard runner.

Note: Every RB that has started for the Gators since 1984, have all gone on for at least a shot at the NFL. A few made it BIG, some more have made out well, and some others made it for a few years on a roster, but all got their chance at the NFL brass ring, whether they were on a mulit-RB committee, or as the featured RB...

 

[bradleygator]

A bit of information for the chronically ignorant, or lessons for losers...


1984 - 2,402 yards - 3 RB committee with over 600 yds each.
Neal Anderson - 916 yds
John L. Williams - 793 yds
Lorenzo Hampton - 693 yds
They were running in Pell's offense behind the best paid OL in college football,
'The since in-Famous Great Wall of Florida.
~ They were the most productive 3-RB group in UF history, behind that Wall.

1989 - Emmitt Smith's best season - 1,599 yds, 5.6 ypc as featured RB.
~ He's still UF's single season rushing yards record holder.
The problem with having a single 'featured' RB is that your running game goes in the toilet if he gets injured out, like he did in 1988.

1997 - Fred Taylor's best season - 1,292 yards, 6.0 ypc.
(2015 - Kelvin Taylor's best season - 1,035 yds, 4.0 ypc)

2003 - 1,718 yds by a RB committee that all had over 500 yds each.
Ran Carthon - 595 yds
Ciatrick Fason - 583 yds
Deshawn Wynn 540 yds
They did pretty good, (better than Smith's best season), even in Zook's offense.

2007 - 2,864 net yards, 5.3 ypc, 39 TD's
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Tebow 895 yds
Harvin 764 yds
Moore 580 yds
----------------------
James 133 yds
Newton 103 yds
Fason 89 yds
Cladwell 58 yds
And 4 more with a few here & there rushing yards.
There were 3 with 500+ combined yards. (2,339)

2008 - 3,105 net yards, 5.6 ypc, 30 TD's
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Tebow 910 yds
Demps 745 yds
Rainey 595 yds
-----------------------
Moody 378 yds
Gillislee 267 yds
James 109 yds
Brantley 67 ys
And 5 more with a few here & there yards.
There were 3 with 500+ yards. (2,250)

2010 - 2,165 net yards, 4.3 ypc, 31 TD's (no Tebow)
There were ZERO I,000+ yard runners.
Demps 551 yds
Rainey 366 yds
Burton 349 yds
Reed 328 yds
Gillislee 325 yds
------------------------
Moody 265 yds
Hines 152 yds
And 4 more with a few here & there yards.
There were 5 with 300+ yards. (1,919)

2015 - 1,777 Net Yards, 3.5 ypc, 19 TD's
There was a 1,000+ yard runner.
Taylor 1,035 yds
Harris 238 yds
Scarlett 181 yds
Cronkrite 157 yds
Grier 116 yds
Powell 31 yds
And 6 more with a few here & there yards.
One 'featured' RB with nobody but Taylor having even 250 yards.

But even with that over-whelming stistical evidence, there are still some who refuse to accept that a solid committee of solid, consistent runners is far superior to just having a 1,000+ yard runner.

Note: Every RB that has started for the Gators since 1984, have all gone on for at least a shot at the NFL. A few made it BIG, some more have made out well, and some others made it for a few years on a roster, but all got their chance at the NFL brass ring, whether they were on a mulit-RB committee, or as the featured RB...

So there's a bunch of other backfields that we're better than the one you said would be best ever.

 

[PacoGator19]

Anderson, Hampton and John L. is the best RB trio UF has ever had. John L. was the best fullback in the NFL for quite a few years. He and Anderson were both NFL Pro Bowlers.

 

[instaGATOR]

So there's a bunch of other backfields that we're better than the one you said would be best ever.

You are really just too dumb, young, or outright stupid, to understand the posts aren't you? (rhetorical -- look that word up too)

I gave my 'SPECULATION' that next years RB corp could very well be the best ever at UF.

So, until they are done here, no actual comparison is available. If you still don't understand that, then get someone that's not brain-dead to explain it for ya.

 

[instaGATOR]

Anderson, Hampton and John L. is the best RB trio UF has ever had. John L. was the best fullback in the NFL for quite a few years. He and Anderson were both NFL Pro Bowlers.

First off, what any of them did in the NFL is irrelevant to this discussion, the way I've framed it (best at UF).

Paco, 'best' is also a malleable term in this instance. I agree that IF all conditions were equal, then AWH were the best, or at least the most productive in season rushing yards as a UF RB trio.

Year to year teams are never equal, and the Florida Great Wall has never been duplicated imo. How those 3 RB's might have done behind UF's 2015 OL instead, can't be seen or proven by any of us, just like their relative SoS's are subject to opinions.

Now, back to where this started, before PREPOSTEROUS Bradley jumped in to muddy the waters of my speculation and opinion...
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This is what I posted:

Something to think about for the coming 2018 season:

22. RB Lamical Perine 5-11 218 Jr - Theodore, AL
20. RB Malik Davis 5-11 194 So - Tampa
32. RB Adarius Lemons 6-0 201 rsFr - Clearwater
#9. RB Dameon Pierce 5-11 205 Fr - Bainbridge, GA
#12 RB Iverson Clement 5-11 199 Fr - Mount Holly, NJ

~ Just like every starting Gator RB since before Emmitt, they are ALL assured of the next level, and they won't already be worn down or worn out by the time they get there. Committee RB's at their best.

OMG -- That will likely be the All Time BEST RB Committee in UF History!
And imo, it will likely be the best RB Corp in College Football for 2018.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Why are we using their college stats?

Shouldn’t this argument be made with their high school stats?

Those seem to be the real measuring stick.

 

[Gator Fever]

Moving right along,,, again.
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Total iG Speculation -- Is some moneyed alum (or small group of them) actually the ones making the coaching decisions, instead of the coaching staff? This is beginning to look a bit like a Snake (dan) Snyder team, with the kinds of decisions that are coming forth. A really sad day if so.... -- I guess that I'll just pray that it's the staff sandbagging the depth chart for LSU, among other things.... (stirring the pot indeed)
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Dumbaway out for good hopefully, so they are doomed at WR. (nope)
Cleveland gets the targets instead and he does well.
Now Cleveland out injured, next man (Green) gets the targets (maybe).

LSU will likely be expecting either Hammond or Swain to be the main target(s), to begin with anyway.
~ IF Hammond and Swain needed Cleveland to draw attention away from them so that they could make a catch or two in a game, then they are not the answer to losing Cleveland. Green could be an answer, if the coaches/QB use and target him,,,, so we'll see.

The Gators, have to now turn back to rsFr QB Feleipe Franks, after pulling him out of 2 of his first 3 starts.

And it's a cryin' shame that the QB can only lock in on one guy, instead of making all of the reads and using all of the receivers to the teams best advantage. That pinned-foot, and/or a coaching eye problem, is killing the offensive production it seems to me...

The offensive hits of the season so far imo are - M.Davis, K.Toney, M.Stephens, & D.Green if he's ever played and targeted...

Speaking of rivals 3 star #26 RB Davis,,, tolja!
He has rushed for 319 yards and 4 TD's while averaging 7.4 ypc. ~
~ Davis ranks 4th Nationally in rushing yards among 1st-year Fr.

I'm also betting that 3 star RB Lemons will do similar kinds of things, once he gets the playbook down solid. I have no doubts about his athletic abilities, he's just playing catch-up in some other critical areas for now,,, but soon. Lemon's needs to not be another Scarlett, but work to be another M.Davis, or better yet, be his own mature/stable Lemons. "You don't always get what you want,,, but if you try real hard,,, you'll get what you need."

One thing I know for sure is that just like with Dumbaway, they don't miss felony Scarlett at all with 'the doctor' (MD) on the field.

~ Plus, the defense has a long list of solid Fr hits already this season.

Green? The same player that has only played a few snaps in one game this season and has not caught a pass yet? I guess he could have a real big breakout game but I doubt it until next season.

Without Cleveland we only have 2 WRs playing that even average 2 plus receptions a game - Toney and Powell. Our other WRs and TEs average less than 2 catches a game.

Cleveland catching those bombs was 38% of our receiving yards.

 

[ocalaman]

My favorite group of running backs was that 1984 group, not only for what they accomplished, but for what that team overcame to have one of the great Gator seasons ever. Remember, Charley Pell got fired after the 3rd game, leaving them 1-1-1 when Galen Hall took over. They ran the table to go 9-1-1, won the SEC and were named National Champs by 22 publications, including Sporting News & the NY Times. The AP had them 3rd, the coaches poll 7th. After the season the SEC coaches voted 6-4 to strip them of their SEC title, punishing them retroactively for the sins of Pell, plus making them ineligible for the SEC title in '85 & 86. This team was loaded, not only with the running backs, but Kerwin Bell at QB, Ricky Nattiel, Ray McDonald & Frankie Neal at WR, Bobby Raymond as kicker, Ray criswell as punter, Jarvis Williams and Ricky Easmon in the secondary, Lomas Brown, Crawford Ker, Jeff Zimmerman & Phil Bromley on the O-Line, Tim Newton, Keith Williams on the D-line, Alonzo Johnson, Ron Moten, Scott Armstrong at LB, and Roger Sibbald & Vernell Brown in the secondary, too. One of our best group of players ever and they are largely forgotten because the title they won was stripped.

 

[Gator Fever]

Yep that was the year I think BYU got to play a joke Michigan team in their bowl game to remain undefeated.

 

[instaGATOR]

Maybe forgotten by the relative newbees ocala, but not by any that are long time Gator fans.

 

[instaGATOR]

Green? The same player that has only played a few snaps in one game this season and has not caught a pass yet? I guess he could have a real big breakout game but I doubt it until next season.

Without Cleveland we only have 2 WRs playing that even average 2 plus receptions a game - Toney and Powell. Our other WRs and TEs average less than 2 catches a game.

Cleveland catching those bombs was 38% of our receiving yards.

Lack of use and opportunity, is not the same as a lack of talent or ability.

So far, the coaches have only used Daquon on ST's, not as a WR.
No freshman WR has ever done well when they were finally put on the field and given a chance, both Dumbaway and Cleveland have proven that most recently,,, right?

I'd give you Green's HS stats and accolades, but you already know that what a kid did in HS is totally irrelevant to understanding his talent or ability, just like the doctor (MD) has already shown in 4 games.

 

[Gator Fever]

Lack of use and opportunity, is not the same as a lack of talent or ability.

So far, the coaches have only used Daquon on ST's, not as a WR.
No freshman WR has ever done well when they were finally put on the field and given a chance, both Dumbaway and Cleveland have proven that most recently,,, right?

I'd give you Green's HS stats and accolades, but you already know that what a kid did in HS is totally irrelevant to understanding his talent or ability, just like the doctor (MD) has already shown in 4 games.

I thought I saw Green in on a few offensive plays against KY but I may be mistaken on that.

 

[instaGATOR]

I thought I saw Green in on a few offensive plays against KY but I may be mistaken on that.

I think that I was going by some article that I'd read Fev, but I'm also not sure on that. If he was on the field as a WR, he doesn't have any targets or receptions, of that I'm pretty sure. I remain hopeful that he at least gets a chance to show what he can do. We'll see, but with Toney and Massey still in front of him for now, he may have to wait a while yet???

 

[instaGATOR]

JMOHO'S,,, as always.

The Depth Chart is a joke.
The Game plan and the game day playing calling is a joke.

Nuss, I'd pack my bags and get in touch with a real estate agent, were I you. A sacrificial lamb will be needed soon, and you are certainly available... And hopefully, you are also a cause that can be corrected by amputation, with a prosthetic replacement...

Considered the pot thoroughly stirred,,, for now...

PS
Mc, urgency is something that you might need yourself, and very soon. --- You have already been paid enough so that you'll never need to work again if you don't want to, so you might want to air out that cabin back home, just in case. I thought that you were a good enough coach to get it done, but even I have begun to wonder. UF has paid you enough that you can now afford to choose between your friends and your job, so, what's it gonna be?

 

[instaGATOR]

No need at all to ever play these guys (or play them again)....
After all, the current depth chart is absolutely burning it up out there.

QB Kyle Trask (Does Franks throw for 72%? Trask does)
QB Jake Allen (Was Franks a FL 7A State Champion? Allen was)
But hey, let's just waste even more time with Zaire instead...
WR Daquon Green (Which WR's had invites to UA-AA & Nike 'Opening')

RB Mark Thompson (best RB receiver)
RB/Ath Dre Massey (ever heard of the jet-sweep? LSU has...)
TE Moral Stephens (highest yds/rec among all TE's, least playing time)
OG Antonio Riles (the forgotten man apparently)

OL/FB Try putting the undersized, scout team OL'men to some game use.
>>> OL/FB Marcus Givens 6-0 262 rsSo

IF you need a SS that can take down a big RB?
OLB/SS Danny Weldon 6-0 225 rsSo
OLB/SS Lacedrick Brunson 6-1 229 Fr

Because the depth chart has been just as good as the game plans and play calling...

"Mc remains confident in Franks." That's a solid indication that Mc is blind and/or stupid, but hey, he's certainly loyal to his flip induced promises... BTW, being 6-6 is obviously not a cure for stare-down or tunnel vision. Franks has already been at UF for 22 months, so 'a beginner that's still learning' is TOTAL BS. “Look, he’s working his tail off,” McElwain said. Does Mc realize that those with no tails left, will end up being FoS? (JMOHO's as always, and being relayed from my know-nothing, senile old man's armchair)

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* New swamp-camo Uni's will allow the Gators to continue to settle to the bottom and to try to hide... But hey, that's a good thing, because both aTm and UGA are going to beat the Gators like a 6 year old with a Christmas present drum, while 'laughing all the way.'

The SWAMP has been drained. The next step is to turn it into something useful, like a parking lot for the Basketball and Baseball seasons...

In the coming off-season, UAA should certainly give Mc-Nuss and TE/ST Nord big-fat performance bonuses. About a dollar each should cover it... IF it's as Mc says and there are no excuses, then there is certainly plenty of BLAME to be assigned...