This is not Miss State so why won't Dan Mullen stop recruiting academic in-eligables

[Jeff from Jax]

Kamar Wilcoxson, 4-star CB, Stone Mountain (GA) Stephenson -- The Jaguars are coming off their first loss of the season last week. They host Morrow (GA) on Friday. Wilcoxson will not play this season due to being ruled ineligible.

Leonard Manuel, 4-star WR, -- The Vanguard (Fla.) Knights are coning off a loss last week to Dunnellon (Fla.) Manuel reportedly left the game early in the loss and has also reportedly withdrawn from Vanguard high school.
https://247sports.com/college/flori...Dexter-Derek-Wingo-Leonard-Manuel--135815739/

I realize other reasons are possible, but IMO, most likely reason to walk out at halftime & withdraw from school, is grades came out & he is no longer academically eligible to play football.

On May 10th, 2000, the FHSAA (Florida High School Athletic Association) adopted a 2.0 GPA requirement to play high school sports & to graduate from high school.

Not exactly new or an unexpected hurdle for today's Florida high school athletes.
https://www.fhsaa.org/news/2000/0510

Does anyone reading this post think that a HS GPA of 2.0 will qualify an athlete for admission to the University of Florida ?

Unless he figures to transfer to IMG, what alternatives does Manuel have ? I do not think he can graduate himself based on in-home schooling & be eligible to enroll at UF.

Do you recognize any of these names - Diwun Black, Deyavie Hammond, & Arjei Henderson ?

Why should you ? They are NOT enrolled at UF !

Didn't the last recruiting class teach Dan Mullen anything ?

Why does he need to screw up AGAIN by chasing fantasy athletes who can not be admitted to UF ?

 

[PacoGator19]

I wouldn’t really consider Leonard Manual a commitment. He won’t be in the class come signing day.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

I wouldn’t really consider Leonard Manual a commitment. He won’t be in the class come signing day.

Paco,

I agree with you; no way he gets admitted. But but why is Manual listed as an official visitor for this weekend ?

What about Kamar Wilcoxson, class of 2021, why are we still recruiting him ?

Does Dan expect some sort of miracle turn around ?

Paco - do you thing these academic deficiencies just came to light, or have they been in plain sight since we started recruiting them ?

With obvious academic problems like this why did we accept a commitments from them ?

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

This entire time I thought this was a Mississippi State board - I'm out!

 

[sadgator]

This entire time I thought this was a Mississippi State board - I'm out!

Insert cowbell here...

 

[Gator Fever]

Kamar Wilcoxson, 4-star CB, Stone Mountain (GA) Stephenson -- The Jaguars are coming off their first loss of the season last week. They host Morrow (GA) on Friday. Wilcoxson will not play this season due to being ruled ineligible.

Leonard Manuel, 4-star WR, -- The Vanguard (Fla.) Knights are coning off a loss last week to Dunnellon (Fla.) Manuel reportedly left the game early in the loss and has also reportedly withdrawn from Vanguard high school.
https://247sports.com/college/flori...Dexter-Derek-Wingo-Leonard-Manuel--135815739/

I realize other reasons are possible, but IMO, most likely reason to walk out at halftime & withdraw from school, is grades came out & he is no longer academically eligible to play football.

On May 10th, 2000, the FHSAA (Florida High School Athletic Association) adopted a 2.0 GPA requirement to play high school sports & to graduate from high school.

Not exactly new or an unexpected hurdle for today's Florida high school athletes.
https://www.fhsaa.org/news/2000/0510

Does anyone reading this post think that a HS GPA of 2.0 will qualify an athlete for admission to the University of Florida ?

Unless he figures to transfer to IMG, what alternatives does Manuel have ? I do not think he can graduate himself based on in-home schooling & be eligible to enroll at UF.

Do you recognize any of these names - Diwun Black, Deyavie Hammond, & Arjei Henderson ?

Why should you ? They are NOT enrolled at UF !

Didn't the last recruiting class teach Dan Mullen anything ?

Why does he need to screw up AGAIN by chasing fantasy athletes who can not be admitted to UF ?

Because he can then claim he got a 9th ranked top 10 recruiting class instead of a 17th ranked class that actually made it to camp. Though I don't think he has that good of recruiters on staff some of this is due to Foley and his not getting into an arms race mentality. It made me sick to read that ESPN article about Georgia with Foley pulling what he did. Not sure it will be fixed fast enough to save Mullen or not.

 

[oozie7]

Wilcoxson ineligibility isn’t grades related.

And you hit the nail on the head Fever. I’m sure Mullen just signs guys he doesn’t intend to make it on campus just so he can calm the message board mob down. Some of y’all are dumb af.

 

[GwinnettDawg]

Because he can then claim he got a 9th ranked top 10 recruiting class instead of a 17th ranked class that actually made it to camp. Though I don't think he has that good of recruiters on staff some of this is due to Foley and his not getting into an arms race mentality. It made me sick to read that ESPN article about Georgia with Foley pulling what he did. Not sure it will be fixed fast enough to save Mullen or not.

What article?

 

[CountyGator2]

Because he can then claim he got a 9th ranked top 10 recruiting class instead of a 17th ranked class that actually made it to camp. Though I don't think he has that good of recruiters on staff some of this is due to Foley and his not getting into an arms race mentality. It made me sick to read that ESPN article about Georgia with Foley pulling what he did. Not sure it will be fixed fast enough to save Mullen or not.

If he doesn't produce in the recruiting rankings he will lose his job....lordy...

 

[ocalaman]

Paco,

I agree with you; no way he gets admitted. But but why is Manual listed as an official visitor for this weekend ?

What about Kamar Wilcoxson, class of 2021, why are we still recruiting him ?

Does Dan expect some sort of miracle turn around ?

Paco - do you thing these academic deficiencies just came to light, or have they been in plain sight since we started recruiting them ?

With obvious academic problems like this why did we accept a commitments from them ?

Manuel is still listed on the official commitment list, which helps UF have a current national ranking of 15.
https://247sports.com/college/florida/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

But I also agree that Manuel won't be in the class. I'm pretty sure the coaches know which recruits are on solid footing academically, which are borderline and which ones have little to no chance of making the cut.

 

[Gator Fever]

What article?

It was just posted on ESPN I think talking about the crazy money Georgia has spent on football in recent years. It made me remember that grinning idiot Foley and his mess about not getting into an arms race on that stuff while he let us fall to the rear off the SEC with that. While Butters and Mullen didn't have great recruiters that had to hurt some also with recruiting.

 

[SwampLander]

Because he can then claim he got a 9th ranked top 10 recruiting class instead of a 17th ranked class that actually made it to camp. Though I don't think he has that good of recruiters on staff some of this is due to Foley and his not getting into an arms race mentality. It made me sick to read that ESPN article about Georgia with Foley pulling what he did. Not sure it will be fixed fast enough to save Mullen or not.

Put the crack pipe down. We are/have not been able to compete recruiting wise due to a deterioration of our brand so YES, we are reaching in cases we would not normally. Everything else your saying is just dumb..

 

[ClintStoerner]

@instaGATOR

 

[ocalaman]

Here's the article about Georgia: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...inside-georgia-200-million-quest-take-alabama

 

[instaGATOR]

This is not Miss State so why won't Dan Mullen stop recruiting academic in-eligables?

Jeff, maybe you should go review the Spurrier recruits, like Ben Hanks and Lawrence Wright to name just the first two off the top of my head. Also who recruited Dallas Baker, the TD maker? ----- It's a pretty long list actually....

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Manuel is still listed on the official commitment list, which helps UF have a current national ranking of 15.
https://247sports.com/college/florida/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

But I also agree that Manuel won't be in the class. I'm pretty sure the coaches know which recruits are on solid footing academically, which are borderline and which ones have little to no chance of making the cut.

ocalaman,

agree;

that being the case why do we spend time & resources on students with no chance to get into UF.

Recruits look at other recruits already "committed"; this will influence their decisions & some may look elsewhere.

When multiple receuits fail to get in, UF gets a black eye in the national media.

 

[instaGATOR]

Fine, look and or go elsewhere. I only want the ones that WANT to be Gators.

PC and media-moron black eyes are for the snowflakes to snivel about.

Recruiting services and the media-morons NEVER trump our coaches recruiting decisions. JMOHO of course...

 

[GwinnettDawg]

It was just posted on ESPN I think talking about the crazy money Georgia has spent on football in recent years. It made me remember that grinning idiot Foley and his mess about not getting into an arms race on that stuff while he let us fall to the rear off the SEC with that. While Butters and Mullen didn't have great recruiters that had to hurt some also with recruiting.

Gotcha

 

[ocalaman]

ocalaman,

agree;

that being the case why do we spend time & resources on students with no chance to get into UF.

Recruits look at other recruits already "committed"; this will influence their decisions & some may look elsewhere.

When multiple receuits fail to get in, UF gets a black eye in the national media.

Jeff - I'm also UF class of '73. We're old, man!!! Even with all the video, internet, digital communications of all kinds, etc., plus following kids from 8th or 9th grade, recruiting is still an imperfect science. INSTA regularly points out some of the walk-ons and lower rated recruits who have become stars in the Gator program. Those are wonderful stories and I love to see those kinds of players do well. But to build and sustain a winning program in today's world, you need consistently high rated recruiting classes that fill needs year to year. They don't need to be Top 5, as Clemson has proven, but you've got to get and develop quality players and do so in a way that builds depth and addresses the coach's style of play. The teams consistently in or near the Top 10 also have recruiting classes always in or near the Top 10 - Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Georgia & Notre Dame (of late), Michigan, LSU, etc. We've been such a cluster**** in these areas for around 10 years and it's going to take time for Mullen to get the players in here that he needs to build the program in his image. At least that's what I think. I agree that I want players who want to be Gators, but also those who can get into school and not have to worry about grades or character issues. The character issues became a problem the latter part of Urban's regime and while Muschamp cleaned that stuff up pretty well, he couldn't recruit enough offensive guys who could compete at the SEC level. And he's turned out to be just a mediocre coach anyway. McElwain didn't have a clue. I believe Mullen has a plan, has been an important part of Florida football reaching the pinnacle of success and I trust him (at least for now) to get us back there. There, obviously, have been some glitches along the way, with the departure this year of 2 high recruits early after they got to Gainesville and then a couple other guys who couldn't qualify. I think most top schools offer and sign a couple of players who are academically questionable every year. But I agree that we shouldn't be wasting our time on those who don't have a chance of getting into school. With all that said, I back Coach Mullen and believe he's got the program headed in the right direction.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

ocalaman,

I agree, great post, thank you !

 

[instaGATOR]

High rated classes yes, but according to who???

16. UF - Rivals

15. UF - ESPN

15. UF - 247 Composite

The over-all class rankings are usually not more then 3-5 spots different by NSD, but they can vary greatly on the rankings for individuals, and those are the most difficult to predict.

Also, which service ranking include xfers-in players in their class rankings, and which don't?

2-3 star Trask to 5 star Driskel.
3 star Jawaan Taylor to 5 star Martez Ivey
3 star Jachai Polite to 5 star CeCe Jefferson
These are not rare exceptions, they happen across the board of positions, and yearly.

Every coach needs quality recruits, but that doesn't necessarily mean 5 star rated individuals, or Top 5 class rankings.

 

[Gator Fever]

Put the crack pipe down. We are/have not been able to compete recruiting wise due to a deterioration of our brand so YES, we are reaching in cases we would not normally. Everything else your saying is just dumb..

No it's not. We were getting roasted by the media on that and Mullen loaded up with a bunch that couldn't get in and a California dreamer. We lost almost a quarter of our class before camp and over a third of the composite blue chippers. Name another top 10 area recruiting school that had anything close to that happen.

We will see this 2020 class if it's in the teens or if Mullen uses that trick again so ESPN can announce a top 10 class.

 

[EvilWayz]

I think Insta has stated this multiple times but I'll say it again.
Id rather have a three star kid who wanted to be a gator his whole life who will bust his ass on and off the field than a five star prima donna who expects playing time the second he sets foot on campus and will transfer if he don't.

 

[Gator Fever]

I think Insta has stated this multiple times but I'll say it again.
Id rather have a three star kid who wanted to be a gator his whole life who will bust his ass on and off the field than a five star prima donna who expects playing time the second he sets foot on campus and will transfer if he don't.

It's a nice saying but you aren't beating Saban etc with a bunch of mostly good kid 3 stars. Of course there will be a few exceptions but you need to at least be in shouting range of their talent. I do agree a few talented kids aren't worth the headache sometimes.

 

[oozie7]

No it's not. We were getting roasted by the media on that and Mullen loaded up with a bunch that couldn't get in and a California dreamer. We lost almost a quarter of our class before camp and over a third of the composite blue chippers. Name another top 10 area recruiting school that had anything close to that happen.

We will see this 2020 class if it's in the teens or if Mullen uses that trick again so ESPN can announce a top 10 class.

This narrative that Mullen signed kids to quiet people like you bitching is stupid. There are 6 kids from the 2019 class no longer on the roster. 3 of them had no known issues when they signed with UF. So only 3 kids had academic issues, two of them known. That’s not a high number and isn’t even unusual, UGA’s #2018 class had two sign and places. Guess Kirby signed them to boost his ranking

Steele had no issues and made it to campus then left to go back on the west coast, Jones got in trouble, and Wilson has a via issue. So what’s the argument...Mullen knew players were gonna come and get in trouble or transfer after one spring camp and signed them anyway? How dumb to you have to be to believe that bullshit? None of that is predictable. And acting like Steele was signed to boost a ranking is especially dumb, he was one of the best players in the country wanted by everybody. 3 of his other finalists were on the east coast including two other SEC teams in South Carolina and UGA. If we didn’t recruit and sign him people like you would have bitched we missed on him when he signed with another SEC team and bitch we didn’t sign enough highly rated players. You’re a joke.

 

[EvilWayz]

It's a nice saying but you aren't beating Saban etc with a bunch of mostly good kid 3 stars. Of course there will be a few exceptions but you need to at least be in shouting range of their talent. I do agree a few talented kids aren't worth the headache sometimes.

Alabama buys their players and everyone knows it.

 

[fsu939913]

Kamar Wilcoxson, 4-star CB, Stone Mountain (GA) Stephenson -- The Jaguars are coming off their first loss of the season last week. They host Morrow (GA) on Friday. Wilcoxson will not play this season due to being ruled ineligible.

Leonard Manuel, 4-star WR, -- The Vanguard (Fla.) Knights are coning off a loss last week to Dunnellon (Fla.) Manuel reportedly left the game early in the loss and has also reportedly withdrawn from Vanguard high school.
https://247sports.com/college/flori...Dexter-Derek-Wingo-Leonard-Manuel--135815739/

I realize other reasons are possible, but IMO, most likely reason to walk out at halftime & withdraw from school, is grades came out & he is no longer academically eligible to play football.

On May 10th, 2000, the FHSAA (Florida High School Athletic Association) adopted a 2.0 GPA requirement to play high school sports & to graduate from high school.

Not exactly new or an unexpected hurdle for today's Florida high school athletes.
https://www.fhsaa.org/news/2000/0510

Does anyone reading this post think that a HS GPA of 2.0 will qualify an athlete for admission to the University of Florida ?

Unless he figures to transfer to IMG, what alternatives does Manuel have ? I do not think he can graduate himself based on in-home schooling & be eligible to enroll at UF.

Do you recognize any of these names - Diwun Black, Deyavie Hammond, & Arjei Henderson ?

Why should you ? They are NOT enrolled at UF !

Didn't the last recruiting class teach Dan Mullen anything ?

Why does he need to screw up AGAIN by chasing fantasy athletes who can not be admitted to UF ?

Wait a minute...u think this kid got his report card in the middle of a football game and got pissed and left? THAT was the conclusion that you drew up..... Its more likely that an alien escaped from area 51 and hid in the kids locker and as the kids went to open it the alien popped out and scared him......Yet you think the coach had his report card in his back pocket and announced to the team that he was failing biology class.

And 2nd off.... It hasnt even been 9 weeks yet so his grades would not have came out.

And 3rd off high schoolers gpas arent effected until the semester which is christmas...


So WTF are you talking about?

Never quit your job at Wal Mart and become a detective. You smell of the opposite of whatever critical thinking is.

 

[PlutoDroid]

Don't most, if not all schools recruit certain kids that wouldn't have a snowballs chance of getting in if not for athletic pedigrees?

 

[PlutoDroid]

For example Miami has a 36.5 acceptence rate. Those that score under 1250 on their SAT'S have lower than a 16 percent chance of being accepted. Do you honetly believe most of their football team scored higher than that?

 

[Gator Fever]

Don't most, if not all schools recruit certain kids that wouldn't have a snowballs chance of getting in if not for athletic pedigrees?

Of course and UF's standards for football players are basically the same as most other schools - meet the NCAA minimum standard but UF might require some low level math class that almost all of these kids have anyway.

Where UF becomes a headache is going after a kid that didn't get in initially and then goes to Junior College - to accept them they have to be Juniors coming in to UF having completed 2 years of school. Many other schools will allow them in after a year of Junior College I think.

I also think there is a way now to accept kids in that don't meet a certain qualification that a few schools have done (SC is one I think) where the kid is allowed in school and can practice but can't play that first season.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Wait a minute...u think this kid got his report card in the middle of a football game and got pissed and left? THAT was the conclusion that you drew up..... Its more likely that an alien escaped from area 51 and hid in the kids locker and as the kids went to open it the alien pooped out and scared him......Yet you think the coach had his report card in his back pocket and announced to the team that he was failing biology class.

And 2nd off.... It hasnt even been 9 weeks yet so his grades woulf have came out.

And 3rd off high schoolers gpas arent effected until the semester which is christmas...


So WTF are you talking about?

Never quit your job at Wal Mart and become a detective. You smell of the opposite of whatever critical thinking is.

This was funny!

 

[instaGATOR]

UF's standards for football players are basically the same as most other schools - .

As is usual for you fevered brain, you're again FoS!

That's why a DL that was turned away by the UF Admin was immediately accepted at the scUM.

And another DL that was turned away by the UF Admin was immediately accepted by tUTor, along with a W.Fl RB that had been a life long Gator fan but was turned away due to his academic deficiencies.

This is a very old (unequal playing field) problem for UF.

 

[instaGATOR]

With enough of a sample size now present, Yahoo! Sports columnist Pat Forde handed out grades on Wednesday for a slew of hires that were made in time for the 2018 season, and Gators second-year head coach Dan Mullen was the only one to receive an A on the grade report.

Mullen, who was hired away from Mississippi State in November 2017, has led the Gators to an overall 14-3 (.824) record since making his way to Gainesville. Florida went an overall 10-3 en route to an AP No. 7 (#6 Coaches) ranking in Mullen’s debut season in 2018.

https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/Dan-Mullen-considered-an-A-hire-for-Florida-136056093

 

[ocalaman]

Just as FYI - Leonard Manuel is now enrolled at Ft. Lauderdale Stranahan H.S. It's even listed that way on the Sports247 2020 commitment list and on Rivals.com

. Duante Culpepper's son, Chayse Culpepper, is a basketball star there and Manuel is an excellent basketball player as well. Is Culpepper taking Manuel under his wing to try to help him out? Don't know. Is Stranahan going to let him play on the football team for the rest of the year?
Not sure, but maybe.

 

[Danith01]

 

[GatorNation79]

Insert cowbell here...

lmfao

 

[instaGATOR]

I think Insta has stated this multiple times but I'll say it again.
Id rather have a three star kid who wanted to be a gator his whole life who will bust his ass on and off the field than a five star prima donna who expects playing time the second he sets foot on campus and will transfer if he don't.

And here is the recent prime example of it EW...

CB Chester Kimbrough 5-11 172 Fr *** - N.O. La
2 GP, 6 Tkl, 4 solo, 1 PBU -- sharing some FNG playing time with 4-stars Hill & Elam.

Prep -- Played in the 2018 LHSAA 4A State Championship... Reached the LHSAA 4A State Semifinals three other times (2015, 2016, 2017)...
~ The coaches and their teammates have all expressed the belief that any of those 3 Fr CB's can start and play when needed.
-----

CB Chris Steele 6-0 175 Fr ***** - Bellflower, Calif
Wasted Spring practice for the other Fr CB's.
Xfer out to Ore.
Xfer out of Ore to USC to be home wid-momma.

 

[grommit]

Alabama buys their players and everyone knows it.

Alabama is at the point they don't need to buy players. Nick Saban and the National Championship train basically does all the recruiting that Alabama needs. That has worked for nearly a good decade now. That is until you get teams like Georgia and Clempson who ARE desperate enough that they will throw millions of $$$ around at the recruits desperately trying to close the talent gap and win a championship.

Sadly if the NCAA is refusing to do anything about the obvious situation that's going down here, then the only thing left for other teams is to start competing the same way or just give up any hopes of ever being competitive again. Texas A&M was correct, although possibly Jimbo Fisher wasn't the correct guy for the task, but the idea that money is not an object and no amount of money paid is too much to get that national championship. To hell with the NCAA rules is basically what everyone is thinking these days. California is trying to pass laws so it's schools can hire professional players and pit them against every other state's amateur college athletes and that state doesn't give a flip about the NCAA or the constitutionality of what it is trying to do.

We either admit that paying 100,000$ for a 4* athlete and 200,000$ for a 5* athlete is actually WORKING for Georgia or we just give up any hope of ever winning the SEC at this rate. Sooner or later, Georgia will find a real head coach and will be in the same place that Alabama is, you no longer need to pay the recruits to get the talent in, the coaching and winning record will do that all by itself.

 

[Gator Fever]

Alabama is at the point they don't need to buy players. Nick Saban and the National Championship train basically does all the recruiting that Alabama needs. That has worked for nearly a good decade now. That is until you get teams like Georgia and Clempson who ARE desperate enough that they will throw millions of $$$ around at the recruits desperately trying to close the talent gap and win a championship.

Sadly if the NCAA is refusing to do anything about the obvious situation that's going down here, then the only thing left for other teams is to start competing the same way or just give up any hopes of ever being competitive again. Texas A&M was correct, although possibly Jimbo Fisher wasn't the correct guy for the task, but the idea that money is not an object and no amount of money paid is too much to get that national championship. To hell with the NCAA rules is basically what everyone is thinking these days. California is trying to pass laws so it's schools can hire professional players and pit them against every other state's amateur college athletes and that state doesn't give a flip about the NCAA or the constitutionality of what it is trying to do.

We either admit that paying 100,000$ for a 4* athlete and 200,000$ for a 5* athlete is actually WORKING for Georgia or we just give up any hope of ever winning the SEC at this rate. Sooner or later, Georgia will find a real head coach and will be in the same place that Alabama is, you no longer need to pay the recruits to get the talent in, the coaching and winning record will do that all by itself.

Georgia is almost to that position. They just folded late in those 2 losses to Bama.

 

[EvilWayz]

We either admit that paying 100,000$ for a 4* athlete and 200,000$ for a 5* athlete is actually WORKING for Georgia or we just give up any hope of ever winning the SEC at this rate. Sooner or later, Georgia will find a real head coach and will be in the same place that Alabama is, you no longer need to pay the recruits to get the talent in, the coaching and winning record will do that all by itself.

Fine I'll admit it. I just don't want to win that way. The last time we were contending for a National Championship we had a murderer and several thieves on our roster. Id rather suffer thru another decade of mediocre football.

I am not about JUST WIN BABY. This ain't Miami.