Taggart has one 10 win season in 8 years. Norvell did it his 2nd year.

[Michi-Gator]

Well, our hell is now over. Now we wait for Stricklin to make his announcement. If we miss on Frost, I hope Stricklin deletes his Twitter account. No point in being cocky if you can't deliver.

Well I think the meeting with Frost is this week and that should be simple, are you going to Nebraska? At this point I assume Stricklin would overpay Frost. So its really just if he wants the Huskers. No need to let him leverage us, just find out and hire him or move on

 

[Dannygator1989]

I am just saying that excuse is still on the coaches. You should have enough decent 2nd stringers at UF to not drop off the map like crazy when you deal with a lot of injuries. Heck D line is the only position that needs to be regularly rotated in and out. Good conditioned LBs and DBs can stay on the field most of the game. Same with the O linemen etc.

Agreed. And we have recruited very poorly at LB and DL.

 

[Gator Fever]

If this buzz about Taggart is true we need to go ahead and act so he can do his recruiting magic for this class. I would rather have Norvell but they don't need to wait long if Frost is a lost cause.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

So let's so we get Norvell, he should have no problem getting us to a top 30 offense his first year considering he's done that the last 7 years as both OC and HC. So that means we average about 35 points a game.

How many games next year do you think we can win if we average about 35 points a game?I say we win 9.

That's my prediction whether we get Frost or Norvell, 9 wins year 1 with these scrubs.

 

[Gator Fever]

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2017/01/oregon_ducks_workouts_hospital.html

At least three Oregon Ducks football players were hospitalized after enduring a series of grueling strength and conditioning workouts at UO last week, The Oregonian/OregonLive has learned.
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Maybe Taggart should go to the top of the list.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Norvell can’t recruit and his defenses are atrocious. With the roster left by Mac, Norvell is set up to fail here

Obviously you have never followed Memphis recruiting. He signed Memphis's top class in modern history.
@Michi-Gator
He signed Darrell Henderson, Tony Pollard, Patrick Taylor, Riley Ferguson, TJ Carter, Riley Patterson, Austin Hall, Demonte Coxie, O'Bryan Goodson, and many others making plays for Memphis.

At one point 18 starters missed a start for Memphis defense. LB Jackson Dillon missed the entire season after being injured in the first quarter of game 1. DB Shaun Rupert was kicked off the team after an investigation found that he committed a robbery crime two summers ago.

There aren't many G6 defenses that consistently play great statical defense. Any recruits these G6 teams get play offense. They don't have the depth as a luxury as other P5 schools. Even Big 12 and Pac 12 teams have this problem. Also anytime a G6 team does have a quality DC (and even good defense position coaches) they get snagged up by a P5 school that can pay them near a million bucks.

At one point (haven't checked lately) Memphis led the nation in takeaways.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Both have been HBC for two years. Frost beats Norvell everywhere including on the field and has already built recruiting ties in Florida.

So Norvell> Tom Herman because of H2H... With that concept.

Tom Herman who you hyped a year or two ago.

 

[Michi-Gator]

So Norvell> Tom Herman because of H2H... With that concept.

Tom Herman who you hyped a year or two ago.

Lets see if he can compete with UCF and score more than the 13 he did earlier this year.

And no, I do not feel like this is a situation that will lead to Norvell being successful. But by all means, have at him. But don’t cry to me when he can’t beat Kirby or Leach at UT

 

[Zoni_Gator]

So if he whips Frost, does that change your mind about him? What about if he whips Frost's team and wins his bowl game? What would it take? In that UCF debacle, Memphis still had 396 yards, so they were still able to move the ball. They just had a down game and had 3 costly turnovers. When was the last time UF had 396 yards of offense in one of our embarrassing losses? That's the kind of yardage we get on one of our victories.

 

[Michi-Gator]

So if he whips Frost, does that change your mind about him? What about if he whips Frost's team and wins his bowl game? What would it take? In that UCF debacle, Memphis still had 396 yards, so they were still able to move the ball. They just had a down game and had 3 costly turnovers. When was the last time UF had 396 yards of offense in one of our embarrassing losses? That's the kind of yardage we get on one of our victories.

Playing and competing in Atlanta. I am not a fan of pass heavy spreads. They seem to have a limited ceiling, Petrino, Leach, etc. i want to get back to being elite, and right now we don’t have anywhere near the talent to do that and I don’t think Norvell is the guy to change that.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Your requirements can't be met by any possible candidate then outside of Les Miles. I don't see why Norvell's or Frosts spread attacks wouldn't work. I'm no expert in the differences of their offenses, but they look mightily similar to me. I think Memphis has a little more razzle dazzle and trickier plays, but both look the same. I much prefer a spread passing attack then the spread option heavy run attack, so I'm glad we're not looking at some triple option guy. We'll see next week when the #1 scoring offense squares off against the #2 scoring offense.

FYI, when UCF crushed Memphis earlier in the year, the Memphis QB still got 300 yards passing. When was the last time we got 300 passing in a victory?

 

[oozie7]

Yes basically. Nobody is gonna meet Michi's standards except Kelly and the only reason that would have worked is because of his name. He isn't a recruiting whiz either though the narrative about him being a bad recruiter is overstated. ANY coach we hire is gonna be digging themselves out of a whole that isn't Norvell specicic. He's not a worse recruiter than any candidate left on the board so if he can't dig himself out then I'm not sure why we're assuming the others can.

 

[instaGATOR]

Well I think the meeting with Frost is this week and that should be simple, are you going to Nebraska? At this point I assume Stricklin would overpay Frost. So its really just if he wants the Huskers. No need to let him leverage us, just find out and hire him or move on

I'm sure that Strictlin is sitting by his laptop, just waiting for your always 'solid advice' on what he should be doing, and/or your 'thinking' on what he should do next...

While I'm sitting here again LMFAO...

 

[Michi-Gator]

Yes basically. Nobody is gonna meet Michi's standards except Kelly and the only reason that would have worked is because of his name. He isn't a recruiting whiz either though the narrative about him being a bad recruiter is overstated. ANY coach we hire is gonna be digging themselves out of a whole that isn't Norvell specicic. He's not a worse recruiter than any candidate left on the board so if he can't dig himself out then I'm not sure why we're assuming the others can.

Not true. Taggart is a much more proven recruiter and has several elite recruiters on his staff. I don’t think its factual to try and say Norvell is on the recruiting level of Taggart. Not only does Taggart have great recruiting ties in Florida but his current class at Oregon is rated higher than any Chip ever had.

 

[oozie7]

Not true. Taggart is a much more proven recruiter and has several elite recruiters on his staff. I don’t think its factual to try and say Norvell is on the recruiting level of Taggart. Not only does Taggart have great recruiting ties in Florida but his current class at Oregon is rated higher than any Chip ever had.

I never said Norvell was on the same level of Taggert as a recruiter. I'm saying there's no evidence to suggest he nor any other coach would be bad recruiters at UF. In fact, history suggests that's true. Unless you're Jim McElwain you'll get top classes at UF. Muschamp got a top 10 class after a 4-8 season. Assuming you're not a fat, lazy slob you'll get players.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Yes basically. Nobody is gonna meet Michi's standards except Kelly and the only reason that would have worked is because of his name. He isn't a recruiting whiz either though the narrative about him being a bad recruiter is overstated. ANY coach we hire is gonna be digging themselves out of a whole that isn't Norvell specicic. He's not a worse recruiter than any candidate left on the board so if he can't dig himself out then I'm not sure why we're assuming the others can.

Are you not considering Taggart “on the board”?

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Michi should watch a few Memphis games. He will see a team that tries to win, not just keep it close. They go for it on 4rth early in their own territory and go for TD's instead of settling for FG's when they are meaningless. That's night and day from our team that punts on 4rth and 1 on the 50 and trots out Eddy inside the 10 yard line even when down big. Norvell may not be his dream candidate, but you can't say he's not a competitor. Our last two coaches that it was a fine strategy to run out the clock before the half when they had the ball. I cannot put up with another coach who thinks that's a winning strategy.

 

[oozie7]

It just makes no sense to me that for 8 years people bitch about wanting offense and a coach who can fix the QB position now here we have the possibility of one of the brightest offensive minds in the game available with a proven record of breaking scoreboards everywhere and we're nitpicking shit like his recruiting despite the fact that he's elevates recruiting everywhere he's been. So do y'all want a good coach or do you want a recruiter? Y'all are all over the map. There's no perfect candidate.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Michi should watch a few Memphis games. He will see a team that tries to win, not just keep it close. They go for it on 4rth early in their own territory and go for TD's instead of settling for FG's when they are meaningless. That's night and day from our team that punts on 4rth and 1 on the 50 and trots out Eddy inside the 10 yard line even when down big. Norvell may not be his dream candidate, but you can't say he's not a competitor. Our last two coaches that it was a fine strategy to run out the clock before the half when they had the ball. I cannot put up with another coach who thinks that's a winning strategy.

You are correct, but not once did I buy into either Saban assitant.

And other than Mullen, I think the other options are all pretty aggressive

 

[Zoni_Gator]

So let's say Taggart is the better recruiter but Norvell is the better coach (offensive guru). Who do you choose, the guy who gets better players or the guy who gets more production out of the players he has? Spurrier wasn't considered an all world recruiter, though Zook was. Just saying.

 

[oozie7]

Are you not considering Taggart “on the board”?

Where is the proof that he's this significantly worse recruiter than Taggert? Their classes were similarly ranked while Taggert was at USF and its much easier to recruit to USF than Memphis, that's inarguable. If you point to what Taggert is doing at Oregon then the counterpoint is really simple...Norvell hasn't been at a program the caliber of Oregon so you nor me knows how he'd do recruiting. So you're just assuming based on literally nothing.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Sounds like it may all be for nothing anyway. Rumors (which are exactly that) are he isn’t a serious candidate and it has something to do with something found in his SEC background screening.

Not sure I believe that, but does seem odd that not a single word out of Tennessee or UF doesn’t mention him.

Also appears Mullen is headed somewhere based on some things going on at MSU this morning. Likely Tennessee, but not sure that excites me either

 

[GordonGecko]

All of this circumlocution is useless bullshit nonsense.

We proved that over the past 2 weeks.


I am officially withdrawing from any speculation. When we announce a new coach, I will judge the hire.

I keep thinking how focking pathetic the Kentucky fans looked every time they swore Billy D was going to Kentucky. They were never correct. They were arrogant pieces of shit.

 

[instaGATOR]

Kentucky. They were never correct. They were arrogant pieces of shit.

What do you mean they WERE....

 

[Gator Fever]

Sounds like it may all be for nothing anyway. Rumors (which are exactly that) are he isn’t a serious candidate and it has something to do with something found in his SEC background screening.

Not sure I believe that, but does seem odd that not a single word out of Tennessee or UF doesn’t mention him.

Also appears Mullen is headed somewhere based on some things going on at MSU this morning. Likely Tennessee, but not sure that excites me either

What went on at Miss State to make people think that?

 

[oozie7]

Any candidate we get at this point is going to have serious flaws. That's what happens when you're on your 3rd or lessor choice. If UF is the program we all claim it is then they can still succeed with the right support. The reality is the program is in the worst shape its been in since the probation era, even a 'proven' hire is likely to fail given the circumstances. That's the reality. Ain't no quick fixes or guaranteed success, those coaches who could guarantee success already have jobs and aren't leaving them.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

And Norvell took over a team whose QB went to the NFL as a 1st round draft pick. Usually there's a huge drop off to be expected in production unless you're a school like Alabama that can stock those 5 star guys like cord wood. Memphis is not like that at all. Ferguson was painting road signs a few years ago and Norvell pulled him from community college. Now he's a top 10 QB going by passing EPA stats and has a chance to get drafted. Norvell has also improved on what he inherited, which should also show you something. I think Mac was just a wholesale fraud riding the coattails of Saban and one decent season behind a NFL QB that he lucked into. I believe that had Mac stayed at Colorado State, he would have had a 5 win season after he lost his best players. I don't think Norvell is a fraud. I think he's a legit innovative offensive schemer and develops his guys, unlike our last two frauds.

 

[Michi-Gator]

And Norvell took over a team whose QB went to the NFL as a 1st round draft pick. Usually there's a huge drop off to be expected in production unless you're a school like Alabama that can stock those 5 star guys like cord wood. Memphis is not like that at all. Ferguson was painting road signs a few years ago and Norvell pulled him from community college. Now he's a top 10 QB going by passing EPA stats and has a chance to get drafted. Norvell has also improved on what he inherited, which should also show you something. I think Mac was just a wholesale fraud riding the coattails of Saban and one decent season behind a NFL QB that he lucked into. I believe that had Mac stayed at Colorado State, he would have had a 5 win season after he lost his best players. I don't think Norvell is a fraud. I think he's a legit innovative offensive schemer and develops his guys, unlike our last two frauds.

I am not calling Norvell and offensive fraud. No one is. Just saying I think there are better options based on our situation.

I know his numbers, I understand what he has done. I don’t need it rehashed. I wouldn’t be jumping on Price either

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Who is the better choice then? And I mean someone that is possible to pull? Taggart? Seems like a higher floor and lower ceiling than others. If it's just a stepping stone to another coach (he loads the team up with good players for the next coach), than I say no.

Leach? I'm on board with that.

Rich Rod? Meh. Seems like a step down from Leach. Leach lite.

Mullen? Cmon, he's mediocre. Definitely not over achieving like people claim.

Petrino? I'm on board with that too. I wanted him the last time or two.

Frost? Yes, please. Not sure if we get him but he's my #1 choice now that Chip is off the board. He is the sexy hire imo.

Norvell? Sure, if Frost says no. He's basically a lateral move from Frost. They have about the same resume and talents. If he lays the wood on Frost in the rubber match next week, you have to give him a hard look.

Candle from Toledo? Super long shot. Has his team competing for conference championship. Only 2 losses, and 1 was to Miami. Top 10 offenses each year, calls his own plays and his under 40. Definitely a Foley type hire.

Strong? Meh. Just failed at Texas just a year ago. Is a defensive guy. Fans (me too) are tired of defensive guys who try to win TOP battles. We want to hang 50 on our opponents again and have our 2nd stringers in there on mop up duty in the 3rd quarter like we used to do back in the glory days.

Campbell? Is he a legitimate option? Isn't he a defensive guy? Haven't we went down that road a few times before?

Les Miles? Definitely have to consider it. His terrible offenses, however, are just too much of a negative considering we've suffered 7 long years without an offense with a pulse. Winning every game by the skin of our teeth no matter who the opponent is will not go over well with the fan base after what we've suffered through. Have to pass on Miles unless he can somehow promise a top 10 offense to the fan base. "Win ugly" type coaches won't cut it this cycle.

Who else is available?

 

[Michi-Gator]

Its Mullen, this conversation is pointless anymore

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Well, we got our next Ron Zook. Let the fun begin.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Playing and competing in Atlanta. I am not a fan of pass heavy spreads. They seem to have a limited ceiling, Petrino, Leach, etc. i want to get back to being elite, and right now we don’t have anywhere near the talent to do that and I don’t think Norvell is the guy to change that.

You do realize Memphis has a 1,000 yard rusher (with one less game due to a hurricane cancel) who averages almost 10 yards per carry? Darrell Henderson

Another RB who is just a tad shy of 700 yards rushing and averaging 5 plus yards per carry. Patrick Taylor

And another RB who has been banged up most of the season but is still averaging 5 yards a carry. Doroland Dorcues.

Ok, the AAC doesn't play defense. I'll give you that.

You love a running QB. Watch the QB who will start next season David Moore. Kid can fly running the ball and throws a great pass.

Despite all of that, Mullen is the guy in charge. I think that will work.