Both have been a HC for two years but Norvell's record as an OC>Frost's. And for the record I like Frost more too but the logic ain't really there. They're both high octane offense guys with little HC experience yet everybody acts like Frost is the next Meyer while Norvell is sure to flop.
Taggart has one 10 win season in 8 years. Norvell did it his 2nd year.
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Both have been a HC for two years but Norvell's record as an OC>Frost's. And for the record I like Frost more too but the logic ain't really there. They're both high octane offense guys with little HC experience yet everybody acts like Frost is the next Meyer while Norvell is sure to flop.
I could add Norvell took over for a good coach in Fuente where as Frost took over an 0-12 UCF.
And I am over the great coordinator thing after Chump. I am only judging them as HBC and recruiting.
Again, if we wiff on Frost its all a guessing game. Just telling you with this defensive roster Norvell is in trouble, and if he retains Randy. Game over
Any coach is in trouble with this roster. Norvell wouldn't be in any more trouble than Frost. Y'all don't wanna hear it but this is a long rebuild. Would have been the same with Chip too, only hope with him is his name would have brought enough buzz to cut the rebuild 1 or 2 years.
I like Frost more than Norvell but Norvell is an offensive wizard himself.
You're wrong. Norvell is the better recruiter. Here are their results from 2013 to 2016. Both were in the Pac 12 and AAC at the same time. Below are their rankings in their respective conferences.
Year Frost Norvell
2013 37th 27th
2014 17th 86th
2015 46th 18th
2016 26th 5th
I'd say that neither of these guys are elite recruiters, so they'd have to hire guys that can recruit much better than them. But both are good coaches and elite offensive guys. If we want the best recruiter let's just hire Tee Martin. He's the best in the game. Maybe Norvell can hire him and promise to teach him to be the OC as long as he keeps recruiting like the way he does. Set him up for a future HC job while he stockpiles talent.
I dont agree completely. Suspensions and injuries have decimated rosterooziecompletelyst: 1171874 said:
There is so little defensive talent on this roster that the next coach is in trouble. Mac ignored D in recruiting
That’s why I would hire Taggart to re-load the roster, but thats just my opinion
Awfully young on defensive side. Several freshman played on that side of the ball
The D isn’t that bad. The D can be improved quickly with some good recruiting and a good DC. Keep in mind we had a poor DC this year as well. What hurts the worst is when the MVP for the other team is your own QB.
Mac sucked in all phases but we still have the talent to win 8 games even with these scrubs. It's not like we pulled in bottom ranked classes the last few years. I predict if we get Frost or Norvell a solid 8 wins next year and rolling in year 2. I also predict a top 40th offense year 1 and improving to top 15 by year 3.
Same prediction if we get Leach or Gundy.
Same prediction if we get Leach or Gundy.
I don't like that all all. He will win games he isn't supposed to, like against Bama, LSU, Auburn etc. I think he just needs a big time program to give him a chance and he will be a force of nature. I'd rather us take a chance on him than let UT get him. Mark my words, he will make our lives tough in the East.
We have a few front line guys that can play elsewhere but the depth isn't there at all. Look at QB for example, we have Franks who is a disaster and then the backup QB's are a guy who was a 3-time walk on and another who couldn't even start on his own HS team. Then you move to wide receiver and ask yourself if Powell was a better player than Brandon James. The answer is hell no yet James never got featured as a receiver here why? Because we had studs in front of him so we could relegate him to a return man only. But on this team Powell is a key weapon and he wouldn't play on any of Meyer's teams. Short and slow with questionable hands.
And don't get me started on the lines. Absolute disaster. They're in the bottom half of the league. Ivey is our best and he's regularly abused. That strip fumble today he got blown by like he wasn't even there. These guys suck. The reason we're 4-7 isn't because of a few injuries. Mac's classes were in the bottom half in the conference and it shows. A few good players notwithstanding.
We have two elite frosh CB. We suck at safety and LB and our DL has NO depth. Add in a transition class by an unknown commodity and get out the vasoline, it ain’t going to be pretty
Oddly enough we were a few points away from 6-5. Losing scarlett, calloway, davis and toney killed us. Throw in Del Rio going out and cleveland too its hard to recover. You cant show up with 50 scholly players and win. The roster isnt title worthy, but there is enough there to win quickly
Rumor is that he is working on new Memphis contaract right now. Recruiting will be well up before recruiting season is over, especially if he is nailed down for next year.
Before a elite program takes chance on him would want to see him win with a second QB. Ferguson was a terrific transfer, who Norvell got, will he win with Moore?
Well those are the few front line guys I'm talking about. What after them? Look around the country even top 15 teams have more. I'm not even comparing us to title teams. If a handful of players being out causes us to go 4-7 then that proves my point, top to bottom the roster is awful. A few top players being account will have an effect sure, but not this affect. For goodness sakes Del Rio couldn't even get off the bench at Oregon St. and he's being brought up as a key piece here. That in itself is telling.
Agreed. But our defense was absoluted worn down all year by being on the field all season. Our defense played well enough for us to win 3 additional games this season. Score a few more points and help those guys out
Again we were down to 50 scholly players. Nobody, including bama, can win with that
Pros win with like 53 don't they. None of those early suspensions really even hurt us for a while except for Callaway. Heck we found out we had a better RB option by Scarlett being out. For a while USC had more starters out than we did and still won most of their games.
What were we winning before that? We got rolled by a 4-loss Michigan team that lost over 30 seniors in the very first game with a healthy squad. What's the excuse for that? A few true freshman who had never played being suspended? You guys are avoiding the obvious.
It is if you have quality backups and aren't putting walk-ons and overmatched 2nd stringers on the field.
Yeah.
And so does everyone else.
Everyone we play has 20-30 more guys to work with.
Pretty obvious problemz
Look how nicely Ferguson went from a 55th ranked QB last year to a 13th ranked one today, and I bet he jumps a few notches after today's game where he had an impossible QBR ranking of something like 333 or something insane. That shows development, something our QB's never had under either Mac or Muschamp. Now Frost was the most impressive with his QB Milton, who went from almost dead last to top 10 in one year. That's incredible improvement. I think our QB's actually got worse under QB whisperers Mac and Nuss.
I doubt Norvell stays at Memphis for a 3rd year. What's the point? You win your conference, even with a perfect record, and you're still left out of the playoffs. A big program will make an offer and he'll jump. You can't pass up the chance when you get it.
Doesnt matter that much if you still have effective backups. USC was decimated with starters being out and still played pretty good. They had more starters out than we did for quite a while there. We just have weak LBs etc right now - even some starters.
Again. Depth is important.
If it didn’t matter than why have them?
It’s like playing cards with a card or two less than everyone else.
You might win depending on how henother cards fall but your definitely at a disadvantage.
I am just saying that excuse is still on the coaches. You should have enough decent 2nd stringers at UF to not drop off the map like crazy when you deal with a lot of injuries. Heck D line is the only position that needs to be regularly rotated in and out. Good conditioned LBs and DBs can stay on the field most of the game. Same with the O linemen etc.
Are you really saying that showing up the last 6 games missing that many players had no impact? You played too, and you know it impacts everything including practice. Get the right guy and 8 or 9 wins is doable next sesson
Teams don't play with that many players bro. Hell only like 70 travel for road games and most of those don't play. On any given 85 man roster you have anywhere from 15-18 redshirts in a healthy program. Then youll have a group of non-contributors on the roster too. The rest outside the starters contribute to special teams. Rarely does anyone outside the two deep play in a game, so that gets you to 44 players accounting for both sides of the ball. Idk where this misconception comes from that 70 plus players are playing in a game.
Beyond that I'm not saying that injuries don't matter or don't hurt depth. My point is that in this case there's no basis to make the argument that we suffered mightily from ours. Except for Scarlett and Callawy our suspensions were to a bunch of true freshmen who had yet to play a down. Why are we assigning such importance to these players? Most weren't even in line for playing time. And most of our key injuries came after we had already racked up multiple losses. We got our asses whoopee by a sorry Michigan team that was replacing their whole team literally while we were completely healthy.
Beyond that I'm not saying that injuries don't matter or don't hurt depth. My point is that in this case there's no basis to make the argument that we suffered mightily from ours. Except for Scarlett and Callawy our suspensions were to a bunch of true freshmen who had yet to play a down. Why are we assigning such importance to these players? Most weren't even in line for playing time. And most of our key injuries came after we had already racked up multiple losses. We got our asses whoopee by a sorry Michigan team that was replacing their whole team literally while we were completely healthy.
Our coaching staff is so incompetent they could lose with Bama's players. When do we get our suspended guys back? Next year or are they all gone and need to be replaced?
Our next HC is going to have a helluva recruiting job in front of him. Hopefully it's a guy who just had a great season, so he can say 'Look at what I just did at ___. Imagine what I can do here with guys like you on my team" instead of another mediocre Mcelwain type that inspires nobody to come play for them.
Our next HC is going to have a helluva recruiting job in front of him. Hopefully it's a guy who just had a great season, so he can say 'Look at what I just did at ___. Imagine what I can do here with guys like you on my team" instead of another mediocre Mcelwain type that inspires nobody to come play for them.
In those suspension and injuries were several starters and backups. You need the numbers, cause guess what, that 3rd stringer is 1 play away from being 2 on depth chart and providing valuable minutes.
Good question - My guess is Scarlett and Callaway are 100% gone. I guess if any of the young guys can complete their requirements to get the charge dismissed they may be allowed back in.
Depth isn't just numbers, its contributors. For example a running back group with one great starter and a solid backup has more depth than a running back group with 4 mediocre to bad talents. Depth is not having a major dropoff when your starter needs a breather not just having a body to point to. Every coach would tell you the same thing. A warm body isn't useful.
It wouldn’t have likely mattered with this coaching staff but having players like Callaway, Scarlett, Marcel Harris, Kadarius Toney and Malik Davis would have been very nice to have if you have a competent coaching staff.
Well, our hell is now over. Now we wait for Stricklin to make his announcement. If we miss on Frost, I hope Stricklin deletes his Twitter account. No point in being cocky if you can't deliver.
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