Taggart has one 10 win season in 8 years. Norvell did it his 2nd year.

[Zoni_Gator]

For all the hype I'm seeing about Taggart, what has he won? He has a single 10 win season in 8 years as a head coach. I know he's turned around 2 teams, but his best record at Western Kentucky was just 7 wins. Why would we expect him to have 11 win seasons here at UF when he's never done it anywhere else (not including the bowl game)?

He may be a great recruiter but there's no reason to believe he's a great coach.

Norvell on the other hand should get to 10 wins this season. He still has potentially 2 more regular season games, plus a bowl game, so an 11 win season is in front of him. 12 if we include the bowl game, but since I didn't for Taggart, I won't for Norvell.

Granted Norvell inherited a successful team, but he's improved on his predecessor's success in both wins and recruiting, which is all you can ask fro him. If we're going to go for an unproven up and coming coach, which I'm including Taggart as, then I'd go for Norvell. He's already won more (or is on pace to) than Taggart in year 2 than Taggart in year 8. Plus he develops QB talent far better and has a better offensive mind. And he'll say yes, unlike Frost, Kelly, Gundy, and Stoops.

 

[Gator Fever]

Taggart can really recruit but I think I would rather have Norvell. I highly doubt with Taggart's season we would pay his 3 million dollar buyout either. I doubt he ends up here but there is some possibility I guess.

 

[kellylexy]

Taggart would be a major get for UF, good luck! Chip Kelly is still possible, right? I am sure UF still has a great shot at him as well,,,

 

[Michi-Gator]

For all the hype I'm seeing about Taggart, what has he won? He has a single 10 win season in 8 years as a head coach. I know he's turned around 2 teams, but his best record at Western Kentucky was just 7 wins. Why would we expect him to have 11 win seasons here at UF when he's never done it anywhere else (not including the bowl game)?

He may be a great recruiter but there's no reason to believe he's a great coach.

Norvell on the other hand should get to 10 wins this season. He still has potentially 2 more regular season games, plus a bowl game, so an 11 win season is in front of him. 12 if we include the bowl game, but since I didn't for Taggart, I won't for Norvell.

Granted Norvell inherited a successful team, but he's improved on his predecessor's success in both wins and recruiting, which is all you can ask fro him. If we're going to go for an unproven up and coming coach, which I'm including Taggart as, then I'd go for Norvell. He's already won more (or is on pace to) than Taggart in year 2 than Taggart in year 8. Plus he develops QB talent far better and has a better offensive mind. And he'll say yes, unlike Frost, Kelly, Gundy, and Stoops.

Norvell can’t recruit and his defenses are atrocious. With the roster left by Mac, Norvell is set up to fail here

 

[Dannygator1989]

Norvell can’t recruit and his defenses are atrocious. With the roster left by Mac, Norvell is set up to fail here

None of those teams play defense and you know that.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Norvell can’t recruit and his defenses are atrocious. With the roster left by Mac, Norvell is set up to fail here

He can't recruit? The two years before he got there, Memphis' classes ranked 78th and 77th. Since he has been there, they were 61st and 56th. That doesn't prove recruiting ability? That's an increase of over 20 spots. What in your mind prove recruiting prowess for Norvell?

 

[PacoGator19]

Norvell can’t recruit and his defenses are atrocious. With the roster left by Mac, Norvell is set up to fail here

FWIW Norvell is a very good recruiter. He was Arizona St’s top recruiter when he was their OC. His Oline coach at Memphis Ryan Silverfield is a big time recruiter as well.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

And Norvell looks like Urban Meyer's younger brother. Definitely a good sign.

 

[Michi-Gator]

FWIW Norvell is a very good recruiter. He was Arizona St’s top recruiter when he was their OC. His Oline coach at Memphis Ryan Silverfield is a big time recruiter as well.

Really, because right now he is ranked 8th in the AAC recruiting. So please tell me what basis we have for calling him a good recruiter?

If our next coach can’t land a shit ton of defensive talent in his transition class, the next coach will be out quicker than Mac.

 

[Michi-Gator]

He can't recruit? The two years before he got there, Memphis' classes ranked 78th and 77th. Since he has been there, they were 61st and 56th. That doesn't prove recruiting ability? That's an increase of over 20 spots. What in your mind prove recruiting prowess for Norvell?

Look at the rank of recruiting teams in the AAC right now. You will find Frost and UCF at #1 and your boy at #8. Sorry, that doesn’t scream great recruiting

 

[Michi-Gator]

Norvell will never make it here. But by all means, hire him because you think his offense looks like Spurriers. And then remind me how great Mac’s offense was ar CSU.

 

[oozie7]

Norvell will never make it here. But by all means, hire him because you think his offense looks like Spurriers. And then remind me how great Mac’s offense was ar CSU.

Silly comparison. Mac has never had an explosive offense on his own. And he was never considered one of the best offensive minds in the game at multiple stops. They literally have nothing in common.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Look at the rank of recruiting teams in the AAC right now. You will find Frost and UCF at #1 and your boy at #8. Sorry, that doesn’t scream great recruiting

So only the 2018 class counts in your opinion? How about the last two classes? Norvell finished 2nd to UCF (UCF normally lands much better classes) in 2017 and 3rd in 2016 (one ahead of Frost's UCF).

Do those two classes count or does only the 2018 class that isn't even complete only count?

 

[Michi-Gator]

So only the 2018 class counts in your opinion? How about the last two classes? Norvell finished 2nd to UCF (UCF normally lands much better classes) in 2017 and 3rd in 2016 (one ahead of Frost's UCF).

Do those two classes count or does only the 2018 class that isn't even complete only count?

Look, I told you Chump wouldn’t make it here. I told you Mac wouldn’t make it. Norvell following Chump would have worked, Norvell now is not going to work.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Silly comparison. Mac has never had an explosive offense on his own. And he was never considered one of the best offensive minds in the game at multiple stops. They literally have nothing in common.

I didn’t compare him to Mac, I compared the narratives

 

[Zoni_Gator]

I didn’t compare him to Mac, I compared the narratives

I'm not certain on anybody, but I bet Norvell can come here and put up a top 15 offense by year 2. He lit it up at ASU as coordinator and may end up with the #1 scoring offense this year as head coach of Memphis. He taught Fuente offense, so we can safely say he's a legit offensive guru unlike the pretender Mac. He will bring in Qb's, develop them, and put them in the NFL, which will attract recruits. Perhaps he can't get it done recruiting overall or field a strong enough defense, but he will put up points. Just like Leach will.

Either way it's a risk, but I'd rather take a risk on a proven offensive guru (teaches other offensive gurus) than another Saban assistant who is just rode someone else's coattails or a defensive guy.

 

[Gator Fever]

I think Norvell would have a chance to do a good job here.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Look, I told you Chump wouldn’t make it here. I told you Mac wouldn’t make it. Norvell following Chump would have worked, Norvell now is not going to work.

I called Zook a loser during his initial press conference (dumb can't be overcome), called Muschamp a loser during his 11 win season and McElwain at the beginning of year 2 after he couldn't develop talent or recruit. I think Norvell is better than all 3 of those and has a shot at being a SOS. That's his upside anyway if he has the drive. I like Frost a little more, but I'd rate them very close.

 

[Michi-Gator]

At this point I honestly don’t give a shit. Foley burried this program so far it will be decades before we even sniff relevancy. Our program is broken. Our AD trolls twitter and looks like an asshole. We have our 70 year old former coach just hanging around and we insist anyone who coaches retain the worst DC in the SEC. if you don’t think we are broke, we are getting beat out by UCLA and Nebraska for our top two targets

 

[kellylexy]

At this point I honestly don’t give a shit. Foley burried this program so far it will be decades before we even sniff relevancy. Our program is broken. Our AD trolls twitter and looks like an asshole. We have our 70 year old former coach just hanging around and we insist anyone who coaches retain the worst DC in the SEC. if you don’t think we are broke, we are getting beat out by UCLA and Nebraska for our top two targets

Hey Michi, you got your first wish gift wrapped a year or two early (Mac getting canned). Sure, you struck out on Chip to a Pac 12 program, but there are still guys like Frost, Strong, and Taggert on the table. Would you think any of them are upgrades over Mac, Mus, etc? I am sure it will work out whoever the AD chooses.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Hey Michi, you got your first wish gift wrapped a year or two early (Mac getting canned). Sure, you struck out on Chip to a Pac 12 program, but there are still guys like Frost, Strong, and Taggert on the table. Would you think any of them are upgrades over Mac, Mus, etc? I am sure it will work out whoever the AD chooses.

Taggart would at least load the roster. But I honestly don’t think the next coach stands a chance with the roster Mac is leaving

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Taggart would at least load the roster. But I honestly don’t think the next coach stands a chance with the roster Mac is leaving

All I'm looking for is a pulse on offense and proof of decent coaching. Mac couldn't even get them to lineup correctly. He wasn't a teacher of football, and his scheme sucked. If the next comes in here and has a top 30 offense, then we'll now he have a real deal. Even if we lose 4 games, as long as we show actual progress from the same squad, it will be evidence of decent coaching.

 

[Michi-Gator]

All I'm looking for is a pulse on offense and proof of decent coaching. Mac couldn't even get them to lineup correctly. He wasn't a teacher of football, and his scheme sucked. If the next comes in here and has a top 30 offense, then we'll now he have a real deal. Even if we lose 4 games, as long as we show actual progress from the same squad, it will be evidence of decent coaching.

Sumlin could do that. You want him?

 

[oozie7]

I didn’t compare him to Mac, I compared the narratives

But the narratives aren't alike. Regardless of whether you think Norvell might win big here or not there's no question he's an elite offensive mind, Mac has never been in that discussion. Ever.

 

[oozie7]

And this is a 5 year rebuild like I've already mentioned, 3 minimum. So it may not be the worst idea to get somebody like Norvell and let him grow in the job. If he strikes out you're in a better place in 4 years. At least we know his side of the ball will be elite, he'd just have to slowly build up the other side.

 

[Michi-Gator]

But the narratives aren't alike. Regardless of whether you think Norvell might win big here or not there's no question he's an elite offensive mind, Mac has never been in that discussion. Ever.

This is not true. All we heard about was how great Alabama was in 2009 and 2010

 

[Michi-Gator]

And this is a 5 year rebuild like I've already mentioned, 3 minimum. So it may not be the worst idea to get somebody like Norvell and let him grow in the job. If he strikes out you're in a better place in 4 years. At least we know his side of the ball will be elite, he'd just have to slowly build up the other side.

I’d rather let Taggart Rebuild the roster

 

[Zoni_Gator]

I don't hate Sumlin. I think we have other options though. You were pining for Rich Rod. What's the difference between him and Sumlin or Norvell?

Norvell is going to a conference championship with a top 5 offense. That deserves some credit. And he was a really good OC at ASU, which have fallen off a cliff since he left.

 

[oozie7]

This is not true. All we heard about was how great Alabama was in 2009 and 2010

Not from anybody with a clue.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

I’d rather let Taggart Rebuild the roster

I don't hate Taggart, but I want more than a great recruiter with questionable coaching skills. Zook was a great recruiter too. Taggart just hasn't done anything great in 8 years other than 1 year. Usually a superstar shows himself by then. I don't think Taggart has. I think Norvell could take our players, install a scheme, teach that scheme, and improve us year 1. We may lose shoot outs, but at least we'll have shoot outs.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't hate Sumlin. I think we have other options though. You were pining for Rich Rod. What's the difference between him and Sumlin or Norvell?

Norvell is going to a conference championship with a top 5 offense. That deserves some credit. And he was a really good OC at ASU, which have fallen off a cliff since he left.

RichRod, like Norvell, would have been fine right after Champ. But right now we have an entire roster to rebuild.

But as long as Foley and Spurrier are lurking and the UAA is on their knees blowing Shannon, nothing is going to change

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't hate Taggart, but I want more than a great recruiter with questionable coaching skills. Zook was a great recruiter too. Taggart just hasn't done anything great in 8 years other than 1 year. Usually a superstar shows himself by then. I don't think Taggart has. I think Norvell could take our players, install a scheme, teach that scheme, and improve us year 1. We may lose shoot outs, but at least we'll have shoot outs.

And if you are OK with 8-4 and a bunch of shootouts, no doubt Norvell is your man

 

[Zoni_Gator]

And if you are OK with 8-4 and a bunch of shootouts, no doubt Norvell is your man

I'd rather go 8 - 4 with shootouts then 8 - 4 with scores like 16 - 6 with the odd blowout of 45 - 10 like we've been seeing. I'd also rather believe that we can win any given game, not know that it's over when we're down 10 points in the 3rd quarter.

 

[oozie7]

And if you are OK with 8-4 and a bunch of shootouts, no doubt Norvell is your man

I don't understand why you think that's the ceiling. UF has always fielded top defenses, the lone exception being this year with Randy's garbage scheme and Mac's recruiting. Unless Norvell is an incompetent recruiter he'll get players. And he'll fix the offense and QB position. That's half the battle unless you're Alabama and have so much talent you win in spite of your QB.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't understand why you think that's the ceiling. UF has always fielded top defenses, the lone exception being this year with Randy's garbage scheme and Mac's recruiting. Unless Norvell is an incompetent recruiter he'll get players. And he'll fix the offense and QB position. That's half the battle unless you're Alabama and have so much talent you win in spite of your QB.

If we mentioned hiring Sumlin people would freak the hell out. How is this different? Why would the results be different?

I am not declaring anytjing, anyone’s ceiling. I am saying given the curret situation at UF I do not see Norvell having a ton of success in the W-L department

 

[oozie7]

If we mentioned hiring Sumlin people would freak the hell out. How is this different? Why would the results be different?

I am not declaring anytjing, anyone’s ceiling. I am saying given the curret situation at UF I do not see Norvell having a ton of success in the W-L department

Because Sumlin has already proven he can't get it done at this level. You don't know that with Norvell. The only comparison is their offenses and even that ain't one to one. Sumlin has been a coordinator for like one year in his career. If you're just comparing offenses then you shouldn't want Kelly or Frost either. How is Frost any different from Norvell? Norvell actually has a longer resume.

 

[Dannygator1989]

RichRod, like Norvell, would have been fine right after Champ. But right now we have an entire roster to rebuild.

But as long as Foley and Spurrier are lurking and the UAA is on their knees blowing Shannon, nothing is going to change

Dude you’re taking one rumor about Spurrier and blowing it so far out of the water that it’s ridiculous.

It’s ****ing Steve.

You wanna earn I’ll will?

Talk shit about Steve.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Because Sumlin has already proven he can't get it done at this level. You don't know that with Norvell. The only comparison is their offenses and even that ain't one to one. Sumlin has been a coordinator for like one year in his career. If you're just comparing offenses then you shouldn't want Kelly or Frost either. How is Frost any different from Norvell? Norvell actually has a longer resume.

Both have been HBC for two years. Frost beats Norvell everywhere including on the field and has already built recruiting ties in Florida.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Dude you’re taking one rumor about Spurrier and blowing it so far out of the water that it’s ridiculous.

It’s ****ing Steve.

You wanna earn I’ll will?

Talk shit about Steve.

Its a distraction to have him lingering. But by all means keep him around and keep getting rejected by major coaches. Steve is the greatest Gator of them all, but his place needs to be somewhere outside the University

 

[Gator Fever]

No one knows how Norvell would recruit here. He is as good a pick as any that are realistic targets.