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Supreme court agrees to take up Mississippi abortion case which would ban most abortions after 15 weeks
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Hypothetical, Let me ask it to you this way guys. Would you accept abortion at 20 weeks or less if they would accept all abortion past 20 weeks being illegal? Realize if you agree to this compromise you would save thousands of lives and if you don’t agree to the compromised then all abortion is legal.
Again just a hypothetical.
Again just a hypothetical.
So in 2019, when people identified as pro-life 49% - 46% it was okay to be pro-life, but in 2020 where it is 48%-46% it should be permanently abandoned?
It has absolutely nothing to do with the womens body, i only care about the kid that is being murdered. The people who say abortion is ok would have definitely been slave owners.
but isn’t that a matter of faith? I mean you can’t prove that God actually said those things, they’re just written down in the Bible. So isn’t belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior and the gospel a matter of faith, and therefore not a matter of law?
how do you know your faith is correct and 2.5 billion Followers of Islam or wrong?
And where does it say in the gospel that abortion is wrong?
no. just speaking for myself. IMO...the reason we are here now....is compromise.
Well by strict definition that’s not a kid that’s a fetus and up until about 22 weeks it’s not viable outside the woman. What about the woman’s rights? Do they sacrifice their rights the moment they become pregnant?
So you would allow babies to be killed because you would not be willing to compromise?
they did not "become" pregnant. they engaged in a choice, made a choice, then engaged in an act, that led to life. to summarize my position.....no backsies
Here's the deal. Either Jesus is God in the flesh or he's a liar. I'm siding with Jesus is Lord. You and the rest of the world that are waiting for visual evidence have that freedom.
Interesting perspective, so In essence you would impose your sense of morality on another and their body against their will? Isn’t that what you guys normally hate about the government? seems a bit contradictory to me
What about free well? Should The woman not be allowed to make her choice and then we leave it up to God to decide whether this was a mortal sin or not?
Seems a bit contradictory to me
No, Jesus likely was real. And he very well may be the son of God. What’s that have to do with the Bible which was written by men anywhere from 1 to 500 years after the time of Christ?
And more importantly, where does it say in the gospel that abortion is against the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Well one thing you said it was correct is the reason why the United States of America is here now is because of compromise, several compromises made in 1776 by our founding fathers and several compromises since then as well.
But I am curious so you are willing to let babies die that you could save because you can’t get everything that you want dictated by your principles, is that correct?
Interesting perspective, so In essence you would impose your sense of morality on another and their body against their will? Isn’t that what you guys normally hate about the government? seems a bit contradictory to me
She made her choice....Should I not be able to commit a crime, and then have a choice of my consequences? Her free will was not taken away. Her free will was....have sex, or not have sex. Once she MADE her choice, there are consequences. Why do we make this the one action you can do, where you can have backsies? The argument is dumb. I ask back to you.....do the babies have a right to choose? Or just the women? Who speaks up on behalf of the baby?What about free well? Should The woman not be allowed to make her choice and then we leave it up to God to decide whether this was a mortal sin or not?
Seems a bit contradictory to me
My sense of morality? It's a sad day when taking a life is seen the way you are seeing it. Let's rephrase it here.....because Choice is just the lefts way of using verbiage to make something sound good....ie "For the People Act" How about we call it....Woman's right to make a choice, have sex, then take a life. Sound more appealing?
Your Free will argument doesn't add up. Why? Because....God will never take away free will, but there are always results/consequences that come from the decisions in free will. IE...I don't have to be a believe, but there is no backsie once I die.
And several that they wouldn't compromise on as well....that's the point....there are things you compromise on, and others you don't. I happen to find murdering of babies, one where you don't
I didn’t read past the second sentence because I couldn’t get past the concept that you think sex is a crime? Do you really think sex is a crime?
Well half the founding fathers found slavery equally morally repugnant yet they compromised on it.
And who’s to say you’re right? I mean you view an unborn fetus as a baby, but the law in most states and federal law does not view a fetus as a life and does not afford it the same legal protections.
So why are you right and they are wrong and why do you want to forcibly change that using the Supreme Court instead of changing by electing enough people to change the laws. And the answer that question is the very answer pro abortion supporters gave him the 70s, at the time they could not change the laws so they challenged it in the court and now you would do the same even though the majority of Americans are now pro-choice. So you would force your morality on them through the Supreme Court just as they did to our mothers and fathers in the 70s.
How was what you’re doing any different?
Most importantly, every time we feed into this hysteria and uncompromising point of you of yours we lose votes and elections to people that would destroy our country, destroy our way of life, and thereby kill far more babies than if we make compromises on this issue now and regain control of the government.
Who are you to kill the lives of so many unborn babies because you don’t want to compromise on your morality or principal? Interesting way to think about it if you were open your mind enough to think about it that way. Food for thought, I enjoy being devils advocate.
Isaiah 49:15 - “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and ha...
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!... Read verse in New International Version
I’m just laughing at how you completely dodged my response when you asked me a question.
I’m curious, but when did Isaiah become part of the gospel?Isaiah 49:15 - “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and ha...
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!... Read verse in New International Versionwww.biblestudytools.com
For that matter when did anything from the old testament become part of the gospel?
I apologize, I did not see your question. Would you be kind enough to ask your question again? Just a question please not a lecture
I will do my best to answer it
God's word is still good, the difference is all people are forgiven for their sins under the new covenant with Christ.
The right to murder? Yes they sacrifice that right immediately, just like guys sacrifice the right of walking away and not paying for the kid. I saw my kid on a 12 week sonogram, thats a human. At 6 weeks, wasnt a human, at 12 it was. At 20 weeks they can tell the sex of the baby by looking at it. Thats a human. I know the libtards have brainwashed you into thinking murder is ok in the name of womens rights.... Its the same thing the democrats did with slaves, tried to convince every1 that it was their "right" and their "property" to choose, similar to "my body my choice". The woman should have the right to do whatever she wants except harm the baby. You dont gain the right to murder someone because its an inconvenience to you... Otherwise their would be no more traffic in front of me. I think womens health care while pregnant should be free, the check ups, delivery, everything. Its the only "free healthcare" that i would be on board for. I want to give more rights to everybody.
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Yeah you’re avoiding the question. Please again find the verse in the gospel where Jesus says abortion is a sin. I’m just curious if there actually is one of the gospel. I don’t recall one. I recall the two new covenants that replace the other 10 Commandments. But I don’t recall anything about abortion. So don’t avoid the question, please find the verse in the gospel since you said gospel that says Jesus is anti-abortion.
That’s not a question that’s a statement, lol.
I’ve asked several real questions and hypothetical questions in here. Do you have a real question or a hypothetical question for me other than this is my statement see how consistent I am which is again not a question.
You see in the end with a boils down to is you guys you’re fine imposing morality on somebody else when it’s your morality but you protest to the heavens and the earth when somebody tries to impose their morality on you. There is the inconsistency since you “asked.”
lol
My answer was not inconsistent at all and didn’t change. You can’t counter it which is what I expected.
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No I’m still waiting for an actual question. Do you have an actual question you wanna ask?
I know your dogma will not allow you to consider another point of view, so I’m not actually trying to counter or change your mind because you’re too rigid for that. I’m not expecting an intellectual conversation with an exchange of ideas, all you have is dogma.
I can actually argue this from both sides, just depends on what group I’m with as to which argument I make because I just like to argue
But if you would like to ask a question I’d love to hear it. A real question
I personally dont care if Jesus was pro or anti abortion... Law shouldnt be done by religion or religious beliefs, laws should protect people, especially those who cant protect themselves
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Still waiting for the gospel verse that says abortion is wrong or a sin. What you got?
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Still waiting for the gospel verse that says abortion is wrong or a sin. What you got?
I don’t disagree with you at all in that philosophy. The law is meant to serve the greater good. At least American law.
Currently the American legal system in most states and federal does not recognize a fetus as a life and therefore not entitled to the same protections under the law.
So Currently there’s no inconsistency with what you’re saying and the American legal system as it does not recognize the fetus as having legal rights.
Thoughts?
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Maybe the best post ever on this board.
Bingo. If we agree to compromise on murdering babies then we are done.
If you give up your principles than you've already lost.
