Supreme court agrees to take up Mississippi abortion case which would ban most abortions after 15 weeks

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

The same people that believe abortion is a woman's choice argue against capital punishment? Many of the criminals executed admitted their crimes and still many people want to preserve their life. God supports capital punishment, he allowed his only begotten son to be crucified.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You know how I can tell you are not being honest?

His lips are moving?

Again, this country was founded on the teachings of God, and the Bible.

if our founders had known 250 years ago that we would one day reach a point where we decided that we would rather keep our country than keep our Christianity, the founders would have said let's stay with the devil we know, English rule.

People that don't love and honor the word of God as Christians do, are fine with compromising it.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

As I said in my thread opening, this aught to get interesting, and it has. Abortion opinions really fall into 3 camps. You have one camp that are basically in the zero abortion mode, with possible exception of rape, incest, life of mother. You have another camp who want zero limitations to abortion. You have a third camp who want some limitations to abortion which is the Mississippi case.

Bill Clinton left office just 20 years ago. In just 20 years, the Democrat party has gone from Bill Clinton and the party saying that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare" to a party that wants zero limitation to abortion even giving the mother choice on a baby surviving the abortion. That is a human being and not providing that BABY with care is not an abortion, it's murder. So that's where we have evolved in 20 years.

Now the third camp are those who favor choice but with limitations or some restrictions. I do believe the majority of Americans are in this camp if I remember the most recent polling. Is it unreasonable to have some limitations or restrictions on when abortions can be performed. Is it unreasonable to say abortions cannot be performed in the third trimester, unless of course there are health risks, which should be a given.
Arguments can be made regarding how many weeks out before an abortion ban kicks in. The Mississippi case is 15 weeks and I don't know if that's the right number or not, but viability is a good place to start, IMO.

I do not think placing some restrictions on abortion is unreasonable. That is not taking away the woman's right to an abortion. It just takes away the on demand any time right, currently in affect, with exception for health reasons.

I think it really comes down to the value you place on human life.

The people that are 'meh' toward blocking abortion tend to be pretty 'meh' about things like premarital sex, adultery, recreational drug use, single-parent families, traditional marriage.

On the other hand, they tend to get pretty animated about defending a woman's right to abortion, or a 4 year-old girl's right to 'identify' as a boy, or a woman's right to marry another woman.

There are good morals, there are bad morals. I think what's good is being portrayed as bad, and what's bad is being celebrated as good. As we see in this thread and any time this discussion comes up.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The same people that believe abortion is a woman's choice argue against capital punishment? Many of the criminals executed admitted their crimes and still many people want to preserve their life. God supports capital punishment, he allowed his only begotten son to be crucified.

Jesus also asked His Father to forgive them, for they know not what they do.

 

[Mdfgator]

If they are heartless non-Christians they will block it.

I do t view things through a religious lens.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

I do t view things through a religious lens.

Okay...if they are heartless they will block it.

 

[Mdfgator]

Okay...if they are heartless they will block it.

Fair enough.

 

[theswamp15]

Again you keep bringing up majority support as some sort of defense, would you have said the same thing when a majority favored slavery?

@gator1776

 

[fsu939913]

Do not disagree with you at all about legal immigrants having to learn about our country and the laws, which interestingly enough legal immigrants do you have to take civics classes.

But you lost me at one more for the land, because you do realize we have 51 different state laws as well as a federal legal system, so, in essence, we have 51 different legal systems in America that are all very similar and all must abide by federal lawn when there is a conflict between the two.

Yes there is gray area, i understand that but those laws are for the "land" which is the different states. I dont believe different religions should different laws and i dont believe in making laws based off of any religion, freedom of religion is key

 

[gator1776]

Yes there is gray area, i understand that but those laws are for the "land" which is the different states. I dont believe different religions should different laws and i dont believe in making laws based off of any religion, freedom of religion is key

Concur

 

[gator1776]

The same people that believe abortion is a woman's choice argue against capital punishment? Many of the criminals executed admitted their crimes and still many people want to preserve their life. God supports capital punishment, he allowed his only begotten son to be crucified.

Interestingly enough most people that are pro-abortion are pro the death penalty. So that could be looked at either way.

Now here in lies the interesting thing about me. I am not pro abortion but I am pro compromise and willing to leave that up to the woman and let her answer to God on that, but I am also pro death penalty.

hmmmm

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Interestingly enough most people that are pro-abortion are pro the death penalty. So that could be looked at either way.

Now here in lies the interesting thing about me. I am not pro abortion but I am pro compromise and willing to leave that up to the woman and let her answer to God on that, but I am also pro death penalty.

hmmmm

I feel like criminals that know when they are scheduled to die have a blessing that they know when the end will be and have an opportunity to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour while unborn babies had no say in the matter.

 

[theswamp15]

Interestingly enough most people that are pro-abortion are pro the death penalty. So that could be looked at either way.

Now here in lies the interesting thing about me. I am not pro abortion but I am pro compromise and willing to leave that up to the woman and let her answer to God on that, but I am also pro death penalty.

hmmmm

I am pro life and pro death penalty. Not really that complicated

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I feel like criminals that know when they are scheduled to die have a blessing that they know when the end will be and have an opportunity to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour while unborn babies had no say in the matter.

Scary that many doctors in this nation are just fine letting the mother decide if another human should live or not.

 

[gator1776]

I feel like criminals that know when they are scheduled to die have a blessing that they know when the end will be and have an opportunity to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour while unborn babies had no say in the matter.

Yet do they not also go to greatness with God?
Maybe that is Gods plan, who are we to judge?

 

[gator1776]

I am pro life and pro death penalty. Not really that complicated

Not in your closed mind I’m sure

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Speaking of scripture, did we find the verse(s) where the Bible says it's cool for mama to kill her kids?

No? Huh.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Yet do they not also go to greatness with God?
Maybe that is Gods plan, who are we to judge?

You are confusing accountability with judging their souls. The Bible says innocent lives being killed is an abomination to God, so you still think a woman should decide the fate of innocent lives?

 

[fsu939913]

Interestingly enough most people that are pro-abortion are pro the death penalty. So that could be looked at either way.

Now here in lies the interesting thing about me. I am not pro abortion but I am pro compromise and willing to leave that up to the woman and let her answer to God on that, but I am also pro death penalty.

hmmmm

Im pro death penalty for absolute scumbags, heres why. A baby is like a clean slate, they have done nothing wrong, if someone rapes and kills 20 women, i dont care if they breathe anymore. They had their chance and caused more harm to society than good. Now im not pro pro death penalty (i dont think it should be applied liberally) but in certain cases, where there is absolute irrefutable evidence and the crime was heinous (raping and killing women/children, domestic terrorism, etc), then i think it applies. Id be ok if they got rid of it, im not attached to it but i understand it. I dont like the fact that a prisoner costs so much money which is why for these select few, a bullet is cheap if you know what im saying.

 

[gator1776]

Im pro death penalty for absolute scumbags, heres why. A baby is like a clean slate, they have done nothing wrong, if someone rapes and kills 20 women, i dont care if they breathe anymore. They had their chance and caused more harm to society than good. Now im not pro pro death penalty (i dont think it should be applied liberally) but in certain cases, where there is absolute irrefutable evidence and the crime was heinous (raping and killing women/children, domestic terrorism, etc), then i think it applies. Id be ok if they got rid of it, im not attached to it but i understand it. I dont like the fact that a prisoner costs so much money which is why for these select few, a bullet is cheap if you know what im saying.

I completely understand the concept of how you could be pro life and protest company, but for those that simply use the burger only argument and don’t speak it through like you have it is inherently somewhat contradictory

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Speaking of scripture, did we find the verse(s) where the Bible says it's cool for mama to kill her kids?

No? Huh.

The left would scream Bloody Murder if a convict was executed and then later found to be innocent. However, they think nothing of killing innocent babies on a daily basis.

 

[theswamp15]

Not in your closed mind I’m sure

Like I’ve said many times I believe everyone has the right to life. Doesn’t mean they can’t lose that right like you can lose others.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You are confusing accountability with judging their souls. The Bible says innocent lives being killed is an abomination to God, so you still think a woman should decide the fate of innocent lives?

Again, what does the Bible say?

Maybe some of us need to actually read it, versus just reading to try to get a dig in on Christians on an internet message board.

Of all things...

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The left would scream Bloody Murder if a convict was executed and then later found to be innocent. However, they think nothing of killing innocent babies on a daily basis.

That's because the left goes out of its way to protect and coddle criminals.

If they treated law-abiding citizens the same way, they wouldn't have to rig election to win them.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Speaking of scripture, did we find the verse(s) where the Bible says it's cool for mama to kill her kids?

No? Huh.

Well, Abraham wasn’t a “mama.” But there was that little story about him being ordered to kill his son as a human sacrifice.

Yes, I know an angel intervened before he did the deed, but it’s an example of God ordering a parent to kill their child.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Yes they formed a nation under God and ignored slavery, how was that any less evil yet equally necessary at that time. Care to explain that one?

In the end, is the preservation of the American way of life more important, or another way to look at it, if you can’t save all the unborn fetus is what’s the best way to save most of them?

I see what you’re saying, but it’s hard to know for sure if compromising on slavery was actually a good idea in the long run. Much of America’s problems to the present day are still rooted in slavery.

If they didn’t compromise, maybe the southern colonies would have refused to join the Union. Remember, there were other colonies in what is now Canada that didn’t join either.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Well, Abraham wasn’t a “mama.” But there was that little story about him being ordered to kill his son as a human sacrifice.

Yes, I know an angel intervened before he did the deed, but it’s an example of God ordering a parent to kill their child.

That's not what I asked for, and you know it.

Which means the scripture doesn't exist. You know that as well.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I see what you’re saying, but it’s hard to know for sure if compromising on slavery was actually a good idea in the long run. Much of America’s problems to the present day are still rooted in slavery.

The first slaves in America were white. Don't be an idiot.

And there was no compromise on slavery. Slavery was used by both the North and South up till around 1820 or so. The North eventually discovered two things:

1 - Their land wasn't suited to agriculture
2 - The South's land WAS incredibly suited to agriculture


So the North saw that since the South could grow crops and it couldn't, that slaves were going to be the force that ignited an economic engine that would fuel the United States.

In short, the North saw that as long as the South had slaves, the South was going to the dominant power in the United States.

So the North, realizing it could not use slaves, and the South could, suddenly grew a 'conscience' and decided that slavery was an abomination that must be eliminated immediately.

Let us be clear: The motivation for the North wanting to end slavery was purely political: It wanted to retain power in the United States.

There was no 'compromise for the greater good'. The North pushing to end slavery was purely a power grab.

If the North's climate was conducive to agriculture, the North would likely still be using slaves today.