Supreme court agrees to take up Mississippi abortion case which would ban most abortions after 15 weeks

[Orangeclad]

This aught to get interesting. Cue Chuck Shumer to run down to Supreme Court building and threaten Gorsuch and Kavanaugh by telling them we're coming for you.

Supreme Court to take up major Mississippi abortion case

The announcement is a boost to abortion opponents, who hope that a newly conservative court will be more receptive to abortion restrictions.

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[Mdfgator]

Abortion should be legal, very early, late stage or mid stage shouldn't be. I doubt the courts will do much here.

 

[gator1776]

I sincerely hope they do not restrict abortion because it will greatly impact future elections if they do. It will give ammunition to the liberals and push our country further towards socialism and one party rule. I’m not arguing the morality of it or the merits of the legal arguments I just Think it’s a bad issue for conservatives who should be focused more on economy and Scaling down government control.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Abortion should be legal, very early, late stage or mid stage shouldn't be. I doubt the courts will do much here.

If they are heartless non-Christians they will block it.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

I sincerely hope they do not restrict abortion because it will greatly impact future elections if they do. It will give ammunition to the liberals and push our country further towards socialism and one party rule. I’m not arguing the morality of it or the merits of the legal arguments I just Think it’s a bad issue for conservatives who should be focused more on economy and Scaling down government control.

If you deny the Human Rights-to-life issue and sweep it under the rug we are doomed anyway. I'd rather fight for innocent souls and lose than ignore it for political gain.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

With real faith, you do what is right immediately and have faith that God will handle everything else.

 

[gator1776]

If you deny the Human Rights-to-life issue and sweep it under the rug we are doomed anyway. I'd rather fight for innocent souls and lose than ignore it for political gain.

My friend every great society denies human rights to some degree and sweeps it under the rug.
Societies are not made on pragmatic dogmatism but on bloody and sometimes unethical compromises.

The question you have to ask yourself is how many more babies will die if the Democrats can turn this country into one party rule and is it worth being inflexible, or does the greater good in the greater number of babies saved equate to an ugly compromise that sometimes we have to make?

🤷‍♂️

 

[jfegaly]

With real faith, you do what is right immediately and have faith that God will handle everything else.

^^^^^This....so THIS.

Compromise is something liberal and the media tell conservatives they should do. Compromise is Mitt Romney, and John Mccain. How did that work out?

Nope, when libbys tell you to do something....do the EXACT opposite They don't compromise. Why should folks on the right?

 

[fsu939913]

With real faith, you do what is right immediately and have faith that God will handle everything else.

Idgaf about god.... But killing innocent people i will never stand by. Do what is right immediately no matter what

 

[gator1776]

Idgaf about god.... But killing innocent people i will never stand by. Do what is right immediately no matter what

You standby every day of your life while innocent people get killed. We all do. There is no moral high ground to take here

 

[gator1776]

Let me ask you this, is your dogmatic fevor so great that she would be willing to see the destruction of America to achieve your goal?

 

[gator1776]

Another way to look at it is would you be willing to destroy our country to force your point of view on a woman and her body?

And, if so, then why do you guys fight so vehemently against mandatory COVID vaccinations Or for the death penalty?

 

[theswamp15]

Another way to look at it is would you be willing to destroy our country to force your point of you on women And their bodies?

I’m not concerned with the women’s body I’m concerned about the life in their body. If you can’t guarantee the right to life then no other rights matter. My god you dims are evil people

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Let me ask you this, is your dogmatic fevor so great that she would be willing to see the destruction of America to achieve your goal?

The Roman Empire was destroyed, Sir. Perhaps we have gone a bridge too far left.

 

[gator1776]

The Roman Empire was destroyed, Sir. Perhaps we have gone a bridge too far left.

So you would destroy America to end abortion?
Do you think the safety of a fetus will be enhanced or lessened under a one party Dem lead America?

Do you think more American lives or less American lives will be safe if the true American Republic survives with at least 2 party rule instead of totalitarianism and eventual revolution?

And who will check China and their views on reproductive rights if America does not survive.

Becomes much more complicated when you think it out.

 

[jfegaly]

Another way to look at it is would you be willing to destroy our country to force your point of view on a woman and her body?

And, if so, then why do you guys fight so vehemently against mandatory COVID vaccinations Or for the death penalty?

Destruction will come from compromise of morals, not from taking a stand. Taking a stand is what built America.

As for views....No one is taking away a choice here. The choice was made to have sex. Prior to the "results", of that action. It's like saying a person who commits a crime, doesn't get a choice because they don't get to decide if they go to prison or not. No, their choice was made the minute they decided to engage in the crime. And for that matter, what about the baby, do they get a choice? This is where the left usually screams...well what about rape. Ok, lets deal with that. But, you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

As for Covid Vaccinations....you really don't see the difference here doc? Goodness. You are sayng mandatory vaccines for everyone is equivalent to not allowing abortions? You see....go back to point one....no one took away their choice. Unfortunately, their are consequences to the "choices" we make.

As for death penalty. I never was a fan of it. Just keep em in prison.

Compromising Morals....IS what is destroying America

 

[Orangeclad]

The brutality has gotten so bad that you can't even have the dems support a restrIction of mother's choice even if the baby survives the abortion. In other words, they won't even ban infanticide. Just barbaric.

 

[NavigatorII]

I haven't followed this, but read the link.

Federal District Judge Carlton Reeves for the Southern District of Mississippi struck the act down, saying the state "chose to pass a law it knew was unconstitutional to enforce a decades-long campaign, fueled by interest groups, to ask the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade."

This judge is an idiot. It's not overturning anything. It's defining that state's definition of viable fetus. There are exceptions for risk of life of the mother, but what moron doesn't make a decision to terminate early on in the pregnancy and continue to wait? Fvck that guy. The Virginia governor is even worse, post natal abortions.

After Roberts refused to allow sunshine to be shown on the ass of the Steal, I'm surprised they are hearing this.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

So you would destroy America to end abortion?
Do you think the safety of a fetus will be enhanced or lessened under a one party Dem lead America?

Do you think more American lives or less American lives will be safe if the true American Republic survives with at least 2 party rule instead of totalitarianism and eventual revolution?

And who will check China and their views on reproductive rights if America does not survive.

Becomes much more complicated when you think it out.

I think I should pay my taxes and stand firm on my principles. I'll vote for the candidate that best represents my interest but by no means will I compromise my relationship with Jesus Christ. I'd rather die trying.

 

[gator1776]

I’m not concerned with the women’s body I’m concerned about the life in their body. If you can’t guarantee the right to life then no other rights matter. My god you dims are evil people

Yes because conservatives never commit evil atrocities in the name of God.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Destruction will come from compromise of morals, not from taking a stand. Taking a stand is what built America.

As for views....No one is taking away a choice here. The choice was made to have sex. Prior to the "results", of that action. It's like saying a person who commits a crime, doesn't get a choice because they don't get to decide if they go to prison or not. No, their choice was made the minute they decided to engage in the crime. And for that matter, what about the baby, do they get a choice? This is where the left usually screams...well what about rape. Ok, lets deal with that. But, you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

As for Covid Vaccinations....you really don't see the difference here doc? Goodness. You are sayng mandatory vaccines for everyone is equivalent to not allowing abortions? You see....go back to point one....no one took away their choice. Unfortunately, their are consequences to the "choices" we make.

As for death penalty. I never was a fan of it. Just keep em in prison.

Compromising Morals....IS what is destroying America

I'm so glad you said this^^^^Bishop Jakes was being interviewed and for once I disagreed with his stance. He said: "We need to fix the justice system before we see peace." No sir, we need to introduce Jesus to everyone and allow the Holy Spirit to consume them before we see peace, then our justice will be done.

 

[gator1776]

I think I should pay my taxes and stand firm on my principles. I'll vote for the candidate that best represents my interest but by no means will I compromise my relationship with Jesus Christ. I'd rather die trying.

Just don’t mistake religion for God, lol
I dare say millions of people have died over religion instead of God. Remember religion is man’s way of turning God into an asshole.

 

[gator1776]

Destruction will come from compromise of morals, not from taking a stand. Taking a stand is what built America.

As for views....No one is taking away a choice here. The choice was made to have sex. Prior to the "results", of that action. It's like saying a person who commits a crime, doesn't get a choice because they don't get to decide if they go to prison or not. No, their choice was made the minute they decided to engage in the crime. And for that matter, what about the baby, do they get a choice? This is where the left usually screams...well what about rape. Ok, lets deal with that. But, you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

As for Covid Vaccinations....you really don't see the difference here doc? Goodness. You are sayng mandatory vaccines for everyone is equivalent to not allowing abortions? You see....go back to point one....no one took away their choice. Unfortunately, their are consequences to the "choices" we make.

As for death penalty. I never was a fan of it. Just keep em in prison.

Compromising Morals....IS what is destroying America

I'm so glad you said this^^^^Bishop Jakes was being interviewed and for once I disagreed with his stance. He said: "We need to fix the justice system before we see peace." No sir, we need to introduce Jesus to everyone and allow the Holy Spirit to consume them before we see peace, then our justice will be done.

Funny you should say that, for America was born on compromised morals. Most nations are born on compromised morals.

America’s greatest moral problem right now is that we all think we’re special and therefore right. We therefore cannot compromise our morals which is actually what leads to the distraction of nations. At least speaking historically.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Yes because conservatives never commit evil atrocities in the name of God.

Well, you know that the Crusades and Inquisition were a thousand years ago, right? The Salem Witch trials were in 1692. So, we are quite a ways removed from Christians murdering people in the name of God.

 

[g8rhoo]

I love the Doc, but the “you have to give up your principles so that we can win,” is never a persuasive tactic.

 

[gator1776]

Well, you know that the Crusades and Inquisition were a thousand years ago, right? The Salem Witch trials were in 1692. So, we are quite a ways removed from Christians murdering people in the name of God.

How long ago was slavery? About the Civil War? About wars in Vietnam and Korea to check communism, think about that one for a minute. All depends on how you feel define religion. Not to mention that the crusades of which you speak never really stopped, the Western Road is try to dictate to the Arab World for 1000 years, which was in response to the Arab world trying to conquer the Christian world before that.

And I dare say Arabs are pretty conservative, LOL.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

I love the Doc, but the “you have to give up your principles so that we can win,” is never a persuasive tactic.

Well, I'm Scottish!

 

[gator1776]

I love the Doc, but the “you have to give up your principles so that we can win,” is never a persuasive tactic.

Show me where I said you had to give up your principles and, unless you can find that, then improve your reading comprehension my friend

Compromise is to ensure the greatest amount of good with the acceptance of the smallest amount of evil in relation to your principles.

You don’t think the founding fathers had to compromise their principles left and right to form our nation?

 

[gator1776]

Well, I'm Scottish!

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Another convenient rewrite of history to appeal to an American audience.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Show me where I said you had to give up your principles and, unless you can find that, then improve your reading comprehension my friend

Compromise is to ensure the greatest amount of good with the acceptance of the smallest amount of evil in relation to your principles.

You don’t think the founding fathers had to compromise their principles left and right deform our nation?

I understood what you typed entirely, Sir. Our forefathers created a Republic under God and ignoring Abortion is turning our back on God.

 

[jfegaly]

Funny you should say that, for America was born on compromised morals. Most nations are born on compromised morals.

America’s greatest moral problem right now is that we all think we’re special and therefore right. We therefore cannot compromise our morals which is actually what leads to the distraction of nations. At least speaking historically.

Exactly. America was born out of British compromised morals.

The declaration was made to create equal rights for every person and if it was intended for only a certain section of people, they would have left it as "rights of Englishmen".[9] This has been called "one of the best-known sentences in the English language",[10] containing "the most potent and consequential words in American history".[11] The passage came to represent a moral standard to which the United States should strive.


Which sentence are they talking about? This one...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,[8] that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Once we compromise our morals....we got nothing left.

There are times for compromises....Morals ain't one of them.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Another convenient rewrite of history to appeal to an American audience.

Not really. I would rather be executed today (completely free from this country) due to my Christian faith than live to be 100 years old and go to Hell.

 

[gator1776]

I understood what you typed entirely, Sir. Our forefathers created a Republic under God and ignoring Abortion is turning our back on God.

Yes they formed a nation under God and ignored slavery, how was that any less evil yet equally necessary at that time. Care to explain that one?

In the end, is the preservation of the American way of life more important, or another way to look at it, if you can’t save all the unborn fetus is what’s the best way to save most of them?

 

[gator1776]

Not really. I would rather be executed today (completely free from this country) due to my Christian faith than live to be 100 years old and go to Hell.

Not sure how that pertains to a Mel Gibson rewrite of history about a Scottish revolution for independence from England, but if it works for you

 

[gator1776]

Not really. I would rather be executed today (completely free from this country) due to my Christian faith than live to be 100 years old and go to Hell.

How are you sure God is not OK with abortion? And so would you condemn all Arabs to hell because they’re not Christian? Isn’t that a matter of birth end up bringing more than choice?

 

[gator1776]

Exactly. America was born out of British compromised morals.

The declaration was made to create equal rights for every person and if it was intended for only a certain section of people, they would have left it as "rights of Englishmen".[9] This has been called "one of the best-known sentences in the English language",[10] containing "the most potent and consequential words in American history".[11] The passage came to represent a moral standard to which the United States should strive.


Which sentence are they talking about? This one...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,[8] that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Once we compromise our morals....we got nothing left.

There are times for compromises....Morals ain't one of them.

Dude you never go full retard

I love you and I would take the time to destroy this piece by piece but I’m tired and there’s really no point. This is why I fear dogma on either side. Thankfully mostly I agree with you knuckleheads but my intellect allows for compromise for the better good which is desperately what this nation needs right now.

 

[jfegaly]

Dude you never go full retard

I love you and I would take the time to destroy this piece by piece but I’m tired and there’s really no point. This is why I fear dogma on either side. Thankfully mostly I agree with you knuckleheads but my intellect allows for compromise for the better good which is desperately with this nation needs right now.

Go ahead and destroy brother. There are things to compromise on, and there are things that are off limits. This is one of those things. It’s core. You don’t compromise on those core beliefs. It’s like saying, ok, the left doesn’t want us to use “in God we trust”. So we compromise that to “in a being other than myself I trust”. Nope

The greater good IS not killing babies. Sorry, not sorry

How do we know God isn’t cool with abortion? It’s in the book

 

[g8rhoo]

Show me where I said you had to give up your principles and, unless you can find that, then improve your reading comprehension my friend

Compromise is to ensure the greatest amount of good with the acceptance of the smallest amount of evil in relation to your principles.

You don’t think the founding fathers had to compromise their principles left and right to form our nation?

It will give ammunition to the liberals and push our country further towards socialism and one party rule. I’m not arguing the morality of it or the merits of the legal arguments I just Think it’s a bad issue for conservatives who should be focused more on economy and Scaling down government control.

This could be said of most issues.

When you choose one issue and say, “this is the one holding the party down” you are asking people to give up part of their principles. The polling doesn’t really support your point either. The most recent Gallup poll was 48-46 pro choice, but the one before that was 49-46 pro-life.

I think we lose too much as a society when we stop valuing each individual person, and that’s a major reason why life is an important issue to me.

 

[gator1776]

This could be said of most issues.

When you choose one issue and say, “this is the one holding the party down” you are asking people to give up part of their principles. The polling doesn’t really support your point either. The most recent Gallup poll was 48-46 pro choice, but the one before that was 49-46 pro-life.

I think we lose too much as a society when we stop valuing each individual person, and that’s a major reason why life is an important issue to me.

No you really can’t say that about most issues. Abortion is one of the very few issues were conservatives are out numbered and in the minority. Therefore it is used vehemently by liberals to frighten people in the voting for them and to justify doing things like stacking the supreme court. Both of which in the current political environment will destroy our nation. Abortion is very much like slavery was to politicians in 1776. And that way it is a unique issue. So no you can’t say that about every issue my friend.

 

[theswamp15]

Another way to look at it is would you be willing to destroy our country to force your point of view on a woman and her body?

And, if so, then why do you guys fight so vehemently against mandatory COVID vaccinations Or for the death penalty?

I’m for the right to life- you can lose that right if you take another’s life. Mandatory vaccinations are injecting a foreign substance into someone’s body. I’m all for anyone having the right to choose what they put into their body. Just like women have the choice to let a man inside them causing them to become pregnant. I’m all for them declining a load being blown in them to cause a baby if they do not want one.

see how easy and consistent my argument is? I don’t have to change it to fit a narrative. It’s a clear and consistent argument.