Ugly on the inside and the outside doesn't take homo tendencies to see. But you sure do seem to be doing a lot of thinking in that regard. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
So as you libs were told
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Ugly on the inside and the outside doesn't take homo tendencies to see. But you sure do seem to be doing a lot of thinking in that regard. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
That must be it.I'm seeing some different numbers as well, some say it's even over 40% now (article below), which would correlate well with the statement in the OP's article claiming 33% solar/wind use (presumably the rest is mainly hydroelectric and some geothermal). I wonder if some are counting only electricity use versus overall energy use (e.g. including heating, vehicles, etc.). In your wiki link though, it does state the percentage is 39% as of 2019 if I'm reading it correctly.
Renewable energy's share of German power mix rose to 46% last year: research group
Renewable energy's share of Germany's overall power supply mix rose by 5.4 percentage points last year to 46%, data from Europe's biggest state-funded research and development service showed.mobile.reuters.com
Anyhow, I won't dismiss any point of view at this point, but I'd like to see a more data-driven analysis than opinion pieces, and that goes for both sides.
It looks like their renewables to create electricity as a percentage are much higher than the overall energy sector as a whole. It still is important to note they have some of the most expensive electricity in the world, which is the overarching argument. What good is stability if it's extremely expensive?
From the wiki article:
As of 2015 Germany's primary energy consumption of 13 218 petajoules or 3 672 terawatt-hours refers to the total energy used by the nation. The final renewable energy consumption, split by the sectors, and with their relative share, are:[5]:4,5,10
- Electricity sector, with a renewable energy consumption of 31.5% (187.364 GWh)
- Heating sector, with a renewable energy consumption of 13.3% (158.662 GWh)
- Transportation sector, with a renewable energy consumption of 5.3% (33.611 GWh)
The importance of stability is to establish a correlation between Germany's electricity cost with its renewable use. If they're related, then one would expect rising renewable use to correlate with rising electricity cost, no? It seems like Germany has had pretty high electricity cost for quite a while.
For example, in 2010 when Germany's electricity cost was ~24 cents/kwh, France was at ~13 cents, and the UK was at ~14 cents. Back then renewable use was not very widespread, yet Germany's electricity cost was still far higher. I'm not familiar with their power generation industry to say why that is, but it seems to me that there are other reasons for Germany's electricity being expensive.
The words inside the article captain partisanship. It’s easier to ignore the words and attack the people who wrote them though, right?
Holy crap at the irony. Can you really not see it?
Which part do you dispute? Because so far the only thing I've seen you attack is the messenger...after lecturing me about preconceived notions and open mindedness.
Work on that plank in your own eye sparky...and then let me know how I'm wrong about green energy prices.
Yes, it's false. Here's Germany's electricity cost over the past 10years. As you can see, while the share of renewable grew from the low teens in the mid 2010's to now 30+%, electricity price has stayed constant. The only hike was in the 2011-2013 time period, and it was a ~20% hike. A one time hike does not correlate well with the constant growth of renewables.
Germany: household electricity prices 2020 | Statista
Between 2010 and 2013, there was a noticeable increase in the price of electricity for households in Germany.www.statista.com
The issue with the article is that it was all opinions and little substance. I'd like to see some links supporting the claims made by some of the folks interviewed.
Two things...one, government subsidies are the only thing keeping the German consumer from paying even more per KW.
That said, Germany has the 2nd highest energy cost in Europe. 2nd only to Denmark and Denmark was the super windy place i was referring to in my earlier post ITT.
Conversely, France's energy costs (80% Nuclear IIRC) are roughly half of of Germany's per KW. How can that be?
Even with heavy subsidies for RE's, energy prices spiked nearly 30% according to the data he linked.
I'm trying to figure out your point. Are you denying that RE is more expensive per KW than conventional carbon, nuclear and hydro energy production?
If that's your point, this will be a VERY simple debate to settle.
Not the take i would have gone with personally, but it is from politico so maybe this will be approved reading.
IMO the fraud is forcing RE down the consumers throat before it's ready for market but I digress.
“Germany, as far as energy policy is concerned, is the biggest fraud globally,” said an EU official. “The public image of German energy policy is very green, but if you check the data, it’s a different story.”
www.politico.eu
IMO the fraud is forcing RE down the consumers throat before it's ready for market but I digress.
“Germany, as far as energy policy is concerned, is the biggest fraud globally,” said an EU official. “The public image of German energy policy is very green, but if you check the data, it’s a different story.”
Germany’s green energy shift is more fizzle than sizzle
Despite spending billions, it is falling behind other European countries.
www.politico.eu
Not the take i would have gone with personally, but it is from politico so maybe this will be approved reading.
IMO the fraud is forcing RE down the consumers throat before it's ready for market but I digress.
“Germany, as far as energy policy is concerned, is the biggest fraud globally,” said an EU official. “The public image of German energy policy is very green, but if you check the data, it’s a different story.”
Germany’s green energy shift is more fizzle than sizzle
Despite spending billions, it is falling behind other European countries.
From that same article btw...
"An average four-person household has to pay more than double for power in 2017 compared to 2000,"
To your point...
Renewable power last year surged to 36 percent of the country's electricity use, according to the Agora Energiewende think tank. But while renewables grew in the power sector, they didn't make major strides in transport or heating, so they account for just over 13 percent of energy use.
Not to change the subject Bamafan. I hope you are in S.Bama and will be able to not be in this ice storm.
Hey, I'm a big fan of nuclear, so you won't get any argument there. My point was pretty simple, though I can see how you're so far off based on how derailed this conversation has become. If you go up to my first post on the thread, my comment was regarding the quality of the artile. I stated that he OP's article had factual errors with the only piece of "data" it provided. In my subsequent posts you can also see that I was calling for more analysis and less opinion, which the article was full of.
No, I do not think renewables are cheaper than coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc. I do think, however, that the article is not helpful to the discussion and that I'd like to know more about the cost of switching to renewables.
Looks like we will be good. It's actually warming up where I am. Tomorrow's high will be (supposed to be, haha) 75.
The point of the OP's article (I'm the OP btw, 😄) was that Biden's plan to increase the share of RE in the US will cost a LOT of money. That certainly seems to be true...everywhere it has been attempted.
Additionally, ITT we have learned that not only will it raise the price of energy, that additional cost is no guarantee that we will actually lower greenhouse emissions.
Really more central. It looks like it won't be much of an issue even for North Alabama.
We've found some common ground btw. I absolutely believe that nuclear is the way to go. Fat chance of that happening however.
Looks like we are ready to get our ass kicked. I am right in the middle. After that 5 below with just teen in between. Damn I miss global warming.
