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From Rich Newman - Yahoo Finance:

Some of the most popular campaign ideas are also the dumbest​


Kamala Harris arrived bearing gifts.
Less than a month after replacing President Joe Biden as the Democratic presidential candidate, the vice president offered a list of government giveaways as the foundation of her so-called economic plan. To differentiate herself from Biden, Harris wants to lower the cost of food and housing in particular, which have been sore spots for voters during the last three years.

It’s ironic in the extreme that some of her plans, if enacted, would likely have the opposite effect, by raising costs rather than lowering them. The same goes for some of Republican nominee Donald Trump’s promises, which would leave Americans worse off. “It’s like the greatest hits of terrible economic policies I learned about in graduate school,” economist Allison Schrager lamented on Aug. 19.

Sober policy analysts fault politicians for pandering to voters with harebrained schemes that fail the laugh test. Thing is, it works — and all the insiders know it. There’s so much policy double-talk in political campaigns that simple pandering works better than complex truth-telling. In the end, many voters simply go with whomever they think lies the least or at least lies with the best intent.
Intent is in the eye of the beholder, but rationality can be evaluated. So here are some of the dumbest proposals, from both sides, that are nonetheless popular.

Kamala Harris

Fixing food prices. Harris proposes a “first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries,” which is her response to uncomfortably high food inflation. Well, there’s a reason this would be the first-ever such effort: It’s a terrible, unworkable idea that consumers would hate if it ever happened.

The economics are straightforward: When governments set prices, the natural response from producers is to keep supplies tight in order to protect profit margins. Lower supply either means higher prices, or shortages, as shoppers begin to horde stuff they may not be able to find later. Harris is actually wrong to say she’s pitching the first ever ban on price gouging. President Richard Nixon enacted price controls in 1971 and they worked exactly as economic theory predicts. “Ranchers stopped shipping their cattle to the market, farmers drowned their chickens,” Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw explained in their book, “The Commanding Heights.” Nixon canceled his price-control scheme in 1973.

A huge homeowner subsidy. Harris also wants a $25,000 subsidy for first-time homeowners. If you’re wondering what could go wrong, all you have to do is look at what happened when the government sent out three rounds of stimulus checks and trillions of dollars of other forms of stimulus during the COVID epidemic: Inflation soared from 2% to 9%. There were other factors, but it’s well understood by now that putting tons of cash in people’s pockets turbocharges spending, leads to scarcity, and gives producers newfound power to raise prices.
Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality.

Donald Trump

More tariffs. If you told voters your plan was to raise their taxes by $1,700 per year, you’d never get elected. Yet Trump’s plan to boost tariffs on imports would do just that, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. Trump says other countries pay the tariffs, which is a blatant lie. He also says tariffs help boost domestic industries, which is dubious at best. Tariffs are a tax on Americans, and a bad one, at that, because they hurt lower-income consumers more than higher-income ones.

Devalue the dollar. Trump wants a weaker dollar because it would make US exports cheaper overseas and, in theory, boost US production. The flip side is that imports would be more expensive for American consumers, which, again, would hurt lower-income people the most. We’re just getting over a three-year bout of inflation. Why would anybody want to make stuff more expensive than necessary?

Presidential meddling with the Federal Reserve. Trump likes low interest rates and thinks the president should have a say in the Fed’s policy decisions. Anybody who feels burned by the high cost of borrowing these days might agree with him. But Trump’s desire to meddle with the Fed could produce far worse outcomes than we already have.
There’s a Nixon precedent here too. Nixon persuaded Fed Chair Arthur Burns to lower rates prior to his 1972 reelection bid to stimulate the economy. It did. But the cost was inflation that hit 9.6% and took nearly a decade to bring down, a far worse scenario than we’ve gone through during the last three years. If Trump had his way, rates would be low, inflation be damned. That’s three inflationary policies in a row for Trump.

The candidates do have a few good ideas sprinkled amid the lousy ones. Harris wants to increase the supply of housing, which is the real way to bring prices down and get more people into homes. The only trouble with that is that federal policy can’t do a lot to influence restrictive zoning laws that are mostly local.
Trump, for his part, wants to cut regulations, which would make businesses more productive if he targeted the most outdated rules without compromising safety or environmental protection. But the rational stuff is boring. It takes nutty ideas to really get some attention.
 
LOLOLOLOL IK 100% SUPPORT tariffs...because I understand why we do them. Try it....it may help! When American businesses build product outside our Country using child labor, cheap labor and our neighboring Countries make all of the money because our wage standards cannot compete....TARIFF THE CHIT out of them to make them move back to America. When China controls most of the lithium to build the worlds best batteries, and uses slave labor to mine it.....and their EV's cost high teens to mid 20's instead of 50-100K...TARIFF THE CHIT out of China when they try to import to the US. It really is SO simple...a caveman can understand it....but not a dumb lefty.
 
Nice of the author to admit the Biden/Harris administration is to blame for the inflationary crisis we're now in...

"Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality."
 
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We need a Federal Balanced Budget & Federal Term Limits Act….

Preventing Big Pharma from advertising would also be a BIG step forward!
 
Nice of the author to admit the Biden/Harris administration is to blame for the inflationary crisis we're now in...

"Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality."
The price controls are particularly dumb. All they accomplish is limiting production. Grocery stores operate on slim margins as it is, they rely on volume. Their costs are high because the cost of producing food is sky high. Land costs, feed, labor to plant and harvest, higher transportation costs to market. When the .Gov puts a cap on prices, the farmers are going to stop producing, they can't stay in business at a loss. This happened bigly in Venezuela. Empty shelves in the grocery stores, resulting in rationing.

The home down payment gift is a joke. There's no incentive to save for a down payment and no accountability lessons about the realities of making regular loan payments. The number of defaults will make 2008 look like child's play. Sellers are just going to increase their prices because that's what an efficient market does. Where is this money coming from anyway? We all know, same place student loan forgiveness does. :mad:
 
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The price controls are particularly dumb. All they accomplish is limiting production. Grocery stores operate on slim margins as it is, they rely on volume. Their costs are high because the cost of producing food is sky high. Land costs, feed, labor to plant and harvest, higher transportation costs to market. When the .Gov puts a cap on prices, the farmers are going to stop producing, they can't stay in business at a loss. This happened bigly in Venezuela. Empty shelves in the grocery stores, resulting in rationing.

The home down payment gift is a joke. There's no incentive to save for a down payment and no accountability lessons about the realities of making regular loan payments. The number of defaults will make 2008 look like child's play. Sellers are just going to increase their prices because that's what an efficient market does. Where is this money coming from anyway? We all know, same place student loan forgiveness does. :mad:
Price controls ALWAYS result in 4 things:
1) Reduced Supply of widgets as producers exit the business because they can't make money
2) Increased demand (you artificially lower the price so more people can afford the widget)
3) Lower quality widgets as producers try to make profits with pricing they can't control anymore, struggling to meet demand they can't afford to scale up for
4) which all lead to Black Markets for widgets thriving, as people with money are tired of empty shelves and crappy widgets

And you're spot on - the down payment plan is the second coming of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac debacle. Gov't money infusions will make housing less affordable, just like gov't guaranteed college loans skyrockets the costs of attending college.

She's a Marxist raised by Marxists. It's all she knows. I cannot believe people are stupid enough to vote for Communism. If she wins we're doomed.
 
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She's a Marxist raised by Marxists. It's all she knows. I cannot believe people are stupid enough to vote for Communism. If she wins we're doomed.
Look at California and NY. Perfect examples. The 1% and the rest broke AF. It's as Marxist as it gets. There will be no middle class anymore.
 
Look at California and NY. Perfect examples. The 1% and the rest broke AF. It's as Marxist as it gets. There will be no middle class anymore.

That's always been the goal of the leftists. Kill the upper middle class and middle class, pull up the lower class, and you're left with one gigantic massive lower middle class and the upper class rich. That's it. They particularly despise the upper middle class and have for years.
 
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LOLOLOLOL IK 100% SUPPORT tariffs...because I understand why we do them. Try it....it may help! When American businesses build product outside our Country using child labor, cheap labor and our neighboring Countries make all of the money because our wage standards cannot compete....TARIFF THE CHIT out of them to make them move back to America. When China controls most of the lithium to build the worlds best batteries, and uses slave labor to mine it.....and their EV's cost high teens to mid 20's instead of 50-100K...TARIFF THE CHIT out of China when they try to import to the US. It really is SO simple...a caveman can understand it....but not a dumb lefty.
Id rather we just subsidize our own labor and manufacturing. At least we'd be producing something and putting some people to work. Government pisses (and will continue to piss regardless of who wins the election) plenty of money away, so piss it away here.
 
Id rather we just subsidize our own labor and manufacturing. At least we'd be producing something and putting some people to work. Government pisses (and will continue to piss regardless of who wins the election) plenty of money away, so piss it away here.
I do not think you can subsidize it enough. I would rather make China pay than the American tax payer .The attitude that government pisses money away so its ok to do it is EXACTLY why our debt is almost unreachable out of hand. Tariffs used because of unfair labor practices from other Nations are GREAT...really ZERO down side. But lefties keep saying "tariffs are horrible" because they KNOW if they keep repeating themselves enough people will eventully believe them. Just like they say "healthcare is an American right" That is BS.
 
Id rather we just subsidize our own labor and manufacturing. At least we'd be producing something and putting some people to work. Government pisses (and will continue to piss regardless of who wins the election) plenty of money away, so piss it away here.
Ya, that could be a little better, but think neither one really works. It generally requires significant investment into new plants, retrofitting, personnel, etc to ramp up manufacturing to replace goods we have been buying from China. Business folks are generally not going to take that gamble based on political whims......with either tariffs or subsidies. Especially in the wild political environment we are in right now.

Here is what the Tax Foundation says about how the tariffs have worked:
  • The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades.
  • The Biden administration has kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.
  • We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.
  • Altogether, the trade war policies currently in place add up to $79 billion in tariffs based on trade levels at the time of tariff implementation and excluding behavioral and dynamic effects.
  • Before accounting for behavioral effects, the $79 billion in higher tariffs amounts to an average annual tax increase on US households of $625. Based on actual revenue collections data, trade war tariffs have directly increased tax collections by $200 to $300 annually per US household, on average. Both estimates understate the cost to US households because they do not factor in the lost output, lower incomes, and loss in consumer choice the tariffs have caused.
  • Candidate Trump has proposed significant tariff hikes as part of his presidential campaign; we estimate that if imposed, his proposed tariff increases would hike taxes by another $524 billion annually and shrink GDP by at least 0.8 percent, the capital stock by 0.7 percent, and employment by 684,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Our estimates do not capture the effects of retaliation, nor the additional harms that would stem from starting a global trade war.
  • Academic and governmental studies find the Trump-Biden tariffs have raised prices and reduced output and employment, producing a net negative impact on the US economy.
 
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Two u hinged liberals duking it out on who can give more sugar to the diabetes patients Pathetic. Absolutely zero leadership anywhere to be found. I said the two years ago. Buy gold.
 
Ya, that could be a little better, but think neither one really works. It generally requires significant investment into new plants, retrofitting, personnel, etc to ramp up manufacturing to replace goods we have been buying from China. Business folks are generally not going to take that gamble based on political whims......with either tariffs or subsidies. Especially in the wild political environment we are in right now.

Here is what the Tax Foundation says about how the tariffs have worked:
  • The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades.
  • The Biden administration has kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.
  • We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.
  • Altogether, the trade war policies currently in place add up to $79 billion in tariffs based on trade levels at the time of tariff implementation and excluding behavioral and dynamic effects.
  • Before accounting for behavioral effects, the $79 billion in higher tariffs amounts to an average annual tax increase on US households of $625. Based on actual revenue collections data, trade war tariffs have directly increased tax collections by $200 to $300 annually per US household, on average. Both estimates understate the cost to US households because they do not factor in the lost output, lower incomes, and loss in consumer choice the tariffs have caused.
  • Candidate Trump has proposed significant tariff hikes as part of his presidential campaign; we estimate that if imposed, his proposed tariff increases would hike taxes by another $524 billion annually and shrink GDP by at least 0.8 percent, the capital stock by 0.7 percent, and employment by 684,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Our estimates do not capture the effects of retaliation, nor the additional harms that would stem from starting a global trade war.
  • Academic and governmental studies find the Trump-Biden tariffs have raised prices and reduced output and employment, producing a net negative impact on the US economy.
Spoken like a GREAT socialist that you are!
 
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Ya, that could be a little better, but think neither one really works. It generally requires significant investment into new plants, retrofitting, personnel, etc to ramp up manufacturing to replace goods we have been buying from China. Business folks are generally not going to take that gamble based on political whims......with either tariffs or subsidies. Especially in the wild political environment we are in right now.

Here is what the Tax Foundation says about how the tariffs have worked:
  • The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades.
  • The Biden administration has kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.
  • We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.
  • Altogether, the trade war policies currently in place add up to $79 billion in tariffs based on trade levels at the time of tariff implementation and excluding behavioral and dynamic effects.
  • Before accounting for behavioral effects, the $79 billion in higher tariffs amounts to an average annual tax increase on US households of $625. Based on actual revenue collections data, trade war tariffs have directly increased tax collections by $200 to $300 annually per US household, on average. Both estimates understate the cost to US households because they do not factor in the lost output, lower incomes, and loss in consumer choice the tariffs have caused.
  • Candidate Trump has proposed significant tariff hikes as part of his presidential campaign; we estimate that if imposed, his proposed tariff increases would hike taxes by another $524 billion annually and shrink GDP by at least 0.8 percent, the capital stock by 0.7 percent, and employment by 684,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Our estimates do not capture the effects of retaliation, nor the additional harms that would stem from starting a global trade war.
  • Academic and governmental studies find the Trump-Biden tariffs have raised prices and reduced output and employment, producing a net negative impact on the US economy.
One more thing...I have made it a practice NOT to take economic advice from ANYONE who voted for 9% inflation, sky high interest rates, open borders, and because of their weakness and ineptness...started WWIII. Just thought you should know this
 
Spoken like a GREAT socialist that you are!
You take any single economic policy in isolation and try to estimate how it affects the entire economy is insane.

Tariffs definitely have short term negative impacts but that’s not the point. It’s a long term strategy.
 
From Rich Newman - Yahoo Finance:

Some of the most popular campaign ideas are also the dumbest​


Kamala Harris arrived bearing gifts.
Less than a month after replacing President Joe Biden as the Democratic presidential candidate, the vice president offered a list of government giveaways as the foundation of her so-called economic plan. To differentiate herself from Biden, Harris wants to lower the cost of food and housing in particular, which have been sore spots for voters during the last three years.

It’s ironic in the extreme that some of her plans, if enacted, would likely have the opposite effect, by raising costs rather than lowering them. The same goes for some of Republican nominee Donald Trump’s promises, which would leave Americans worse off. “It’s like the greatest hits of terrible economic policies I learned about in graduate school,” economist Allison Schrager lamented on Aug. 19.

Sober policy analysts fault politicians for pandering to voters with harebrained schemes that fail the laugh test. Thing is, it works — and all the insiders know it. There’s so much policy double-talk in political campaigns that simple pandering works better than complex truth-telling. In the end, many voters simply go with whomever they think lies the least or at least lies with the best intent.
Intent is in the eye of the beholder, but rationality can be evaluated. So here are some of the dumbest proposals, from both sides, that are nonetheless popular.

Kamala Harris

Fixing food prices. Harris proposes a “first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries,” which is her response to uncomfortably high food inflation. Well, there’s a reason this would be the first-ever such effort: It’s a terrible, unworkable idea that consumers would hate if it ever happened.

The economics are straightforward: When governments set prices, the natural response from producers is to keep supplies tight in order to protect profit margins. Lower supply either means higher prices, or shortages, as shoppers begin to horde stuff they may not be able to find later. Harris is actually wrong to say she’s pitching the first ever ban on price gouging. President Richard Nixon enacted price controls in 1971 and they worked exactly as economic theory predicts. “Ranchers stopped shipping their cattle to the market, farmers drowned their chickens,” Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw explained in their book, “The Commanding Heights.” Nixon canceled his price-control scheme in 1973.

A huge homeowner subsidy. Harris also wants a $25,000 subsidy for first-time homeowners. If you’re wondering what could go wrong, all you have to do is look at what happened when the government sent out three rounds of stimulus checks and trillions of dollars of other forms of stimulus during the COVID epidemic: Inflation soared from 2% to 9%. There were other factors, but it’s well understood by now that putting tons of cash in people’s pockets turbocharges spending, leads to scarcity, and gives producers newfound power to raise prices.
Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality.

Donald Trump

More tariffs. If you told voters your plan was to raise their taxes by $1,700 per year, you’d never get elected. Yet Trump’s plan to boost tariffs on imports would do just that, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. Trump says other countries pay the tariffs, which is a blatant lie. He also says tariffs help boost domestic industries, which is dubious at best. Tariffs are a tax on Americans, and a bad one, at that, because they hurt lower-income consumers more than higher-income ones.

Devalue the dollar. Trump wants a weaker dollar because it would make US exports cheaper overseas and, in theory, boost US production. The flip side is that imports would be more expensive for American consumers, which, again, would hurt lower-income people the most. We’re just getting over a three-year bout of inflation. Why would anybody want to make stuff more expensive than necessary?

Presidential meddling with the Federal Reserve. Trump likes low interest rates and thinks the president should have a say in the Fed’s policy decisions. Anybody who feels burned by the high cost of borrowing these days might agree with him. But Trump’s desire to meddle with the Fed could produce far worse outcomes than we already have.
There’s a Nixon precedent here too. Nixon persuaded Fed Chair Arthur Burns to lower rates prior to his 1972 reelection bid to stimulate the economy. It did. But the cost was inflation that hit 9.6% and took nearly a decade to bring down, a far worse scenario than we’ve gone through during the last three years. If Trump had his way, rates would be low, inflation be damned. That’s three inflationary policies in a row for Trump.

The candidates do have a few good ideas sprinkled amid the lousy ones. Harris wants to increase the supply of housing, which is the real way to bring prices down and get more people into homes. The only trouble with that is that federal policy can’t do a lot to influence restrictive zoning laws that are mostly local.
Trump, for his part, wants to cut regulations, which would make businesses more productive if he targeted the most outdated rules without compromising safety or environmental protection. But the rational stuff is boring. It takes nutty ideas to really get some attention.
 
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You take any single economic policy in isolation and try to estimate how it affects the entire economy is insane.

Tariffs definitely have short term negative impacts but that’s not the point. It’s a long term strategy.
So I am using what I know in a business I have been in for 40 years at a high level. Placing tariffs on China because they are trying purposely to sabotage our EV business there is no down side to it. Same w Mexico. The purpose of the tariffs is not to keep collecting tariffs, it is to force them to level the playing field.
 
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Two u hinged liberals duking it out on who can give more sugar to the diabetes patients Pathetic. Absolutely zero leadership anywhere to be found. I said the two years ago. Buy gold.
You can’t eat gold. Fruit trees, veggie garden, egg hens, firearms
 
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So I am using what I know in a business I have been in for 40 years at a high level. Placing tariffs on China because they are trying purposely to sabotage our EV business there is no down side to it. Same w Mexico. The purpose of the tariffs is not to keep collecting tariffs, it is to force them to level the playing field.
There’s no mention in that analysis of any industry that benefits from the tariffs.

That think tank is libertarian. Ideologically tariffs are extremely anti libertarian.
 
From Rich Newman - Yahoo Finance:

Some of the most popular campaign ideas are also the dumbest​


Kamala Harris arrived bearing gifts.
Less than a month after replacing President Joe Biden as the Democratic presidential candidate, the vice president offered a list of government giveaways as the foundation of her so-called economic plan. To differentiate herself from Biden, Harris wants to lower the cost of food and housing in particular, which have been sore spots for voters during the last three years.

It’s ironic in the extreme that some of her plans, if enacted, would likely have the opposite effect, by raising costs rather than lowering them. The same goes for some of Republican nominee Donald Trump’s promises, which would leave Americans worse off. “It’s like the greatest hits of terrible economic policies I learned about in graduate school,” economist Allison Schrager lamented on Aug. 19.

Sober policy analysts fault politicians for pandering to voters with harebrained schemes that fail the laugh test. Thing is, it works — and all the insiders know it. There’s so much policy double-talk in political campaigns that simple pandering works better than complex truth-telling. In the end, many voters simply go with whomever they think lies the least or at least lies with the best intent.
Intent is in the eye of the beholder, but rationality can be evaluated. So here are some of the dumbest proposals, from both sides, that are nonetheless popular.

Kamala Harris

Fixing food prices. Harris proposes a “first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries,” which is her response to uncomfortably high food inflation. Well, there’s a reason this would be the first-ever such effort: It’s a terrible, unworkable idea that consumers would hate if it ever happened.

The economics are straightforward: When governments set prices, the natural response from producers is to keep supplies tight in order to protect profit margins. Lower supply either means higher prices, or shortages, as shoppers begin to horde stuff they may not be able to find later. Harris is actually wrong to say she’s pitching the first ever ban on price gouging. President Richard Nixon enacted price controls in 1971 and they worked exactly as economic theory predicts. “Ranchers stopped shipping their cattle to the market, farmers drowned their chickens,” Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw explained in their book, “The Commanding Heights.” Nixon canceled his price-control scheme in 1973.

A huge homeowner subsidy. Harris also wants a $25,000 subsidy for first-time homeowners. If you’re wondering what could go wrong, all you have to do is look at what happened when the government sent out three rounds of stimulus checks and trillions of dollars of other forms of stimulus during the COVID epidemic: Inflation soared from 2% to 9%. There were other factors, but it’s well understood by now that putting tons of cash in people’s pockets turbocharges spending, leads to scarcity, and gives producers newfound power to raise prices.
Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality.

Donald Trump

More tariffs. If you told voters your plan was to raise their taxes by $1,700 per year, you’d never get elected. Yet Trump’s plan to boost tariffs on imports would do just that, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. Trump says other countries pay the tariffs, which is a blatant lie. He also says tariffs help boost domestic industries, which is dubious at best. Tariffs are a tax on Americans, and a bad one, at that, because they hurt lower-income consumers more than higher-income ones.

Devalue the dollar. Trump wants a weaker dollar because it would make US exports cheaper overseas and, in theory, boost US production. The flip side is that imports would be more expensive for American consumers, which, again, would hurt lower-income people the most. We’re just getting over a three-year bout of inflation. Why would anybody want to make stuff more expensive than necessary?

Presidential meddling with the Federal Reserve. Trump likes low interest rates and thinks the president should have a say in the Fed’s policy decisions. Anybody who feels burned by the high cost of borrowing these days might agree with him. But Trump’s desire to meddle with the Fed could produce far worse outcomes than we already have.
There’s a Nixon precedent here too. Nixon persuaded Fed Chair Arthur Burns to lower rates prior to his 1972 reelection bid to stimulate the economy. It did. But the cost was inflation that hit 9.6% and took nearly a decade to bring down, a far worse scenario than we’ve gone through during the last three years. If Trump had his way, rates would be low, inflation be damned. That’s three inflationary policies in a row for Trump.

The candidates do have a few good ideas sprinkled amid the lousy ones. Harris wants to increase the supply of housing, which is the real way to bring prices down and get more people into homes. The only trouble with that is that federal policy can’t do a lot to influence restrictive zoning laws that are mostly local.
Trump, for his part, wants to cut regulations, which would make businesses more productive if he targeted the most outdated rules without compromising safety or environmental protection. But the rational stuff is boring. It takes nutty ideas to really get some attention.


 
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From Rich Newman - Yahoo Finance:

Some of the most popular campaign ideas are also the dumbest​


Kamala Harris arrived bearing gifts.
Less than a month after replacing President Joe Biden as the Democratic presidential candidate, the vice president offered a list of government giveaways as the foundation of her so-called economic plan. To differentiate herself from Biden, Harris wants to lower the cost of food and housing in particular, which have been sore spots for voters during the last three years.

It’s ironic in the extreme that some of her plans, if enacted, would likely have the opposite effect, by raising costs rather than lowering them. The same goes for some of Republican nominee Donald Trump’s promises, which would leave Americans worse off. “It’s like the greatest hits of terrible economic policies I learned about in graduate school,” economist Allison Schrager lamented on Aug. 19.

Sober policy analysts fault politicians for pandering to voters with harebrained schemes that fail the laugh test. Thing is, it works — and all the insiders know it. There’s so much policy double-talk in political campaigns that simple pandering works better than complex truth-telling. In the end, many voters simply go with whomever they think lies the least or at least lies with the best intent.
Intent is in the eye of the beholder, but rationality can be evaluated. So here are some of the dumbest proposals, from both sides, that are nonetheless popular.

Kamala Harris

Fixing food prices. Harris proposes a “first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries,” which is her response to uncomfortably high food inflation. Well, there’s a reason this would be the first-ever such effort: It’s a terrible, unworkable idea that consumers would hate if it ever happened.

The economics are straightforward: When governments set prices, the natural response from producers is to keep supplies tight in order to protect profit margins. Lower supply either means higher prices, or shortages, as shoppers begin to horde stuff they may not be able to find later. Harris is actually wrong to say she’s pitching the first ever ban on price gouging. President Richard Nixon enacted price controls in 1971 and they worked exactly as economic theory predicts. “Ranchers stopped shipping their cattle to the market, farmers drowned their chickens,” Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw explained in their book, “The Commanding Heights.” Nixon canceled his price-control scheme in 1973.

A huge homeowner subsidy. Harris also wants a $25,000 subsidy for first-time homeowners. If you’re wondering what could go wrong, all you have to do is look at what happened when the government sent out three rounds of stimulus checks and trillions of dollars of other forms of stimulus during the COVID epidemic: Inflation soared from 2% to 9%. There were other factors, but it’s well understood by now that putting tons of cash in people’s pockets turbocharges spending, leads to scarcity, and gives producers newfound power to raise prices.
Again, the economics are straightforward. More money for people to buy homes will boost demand, and if supply stays the same, prices will go up. There’s just no way around this uncomfortable reality.

Donald Trump

More tariffs. If you told voters your plan was to raise their taxes by $1,700 per year, you’d never get elected. Yet Trump’s plan to boost tariffs on imports would do just that, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. Trump says other countries pay the tariffs, which is a blatant lie. He also says tariffs help boost domestic industries, which is dubious at best. Tariffs are a tax on Americans, and a bad one, at that, because they hurt lower-income consumers more than higher-income ones.

Devalue the dollar. Trump wants a weaker dollar because it would make US exports cheaper overseas and, in theory, boost US production. The flip side is that imports would be more expensive for American consumers, which, again, would hurt lower-income people the most. We’re just getting over a three-year bout of inflation. Why would anybody want to make stuff more expensive than necessary?

Presidential meddling with the Federal Reserve. Trump likes low interest rates and thinks the president should have a say in the Fed’s policy decisions. Anybody who feels burned by the high cost of borrowing these days might agree with him. But Trump’s desire to meddle with the Fed could produce far worse outcomes than we already have.
There’s a Nixon precedent here too. Nixon persuaded Fed Chair Arthur Burns to lower rates prior to his 1972 reelection bid to stimulate the economy. It did. But the cost was inflation that hit 9.6% and took nearly a decade to bring down, a far worse scenario than we’ve gone through during the last three years. If Trump had his way, rates would be low, inflation be damned. That’s three inflationary policies in a row for Trump.

The candidates do have a few good ideas sprinkled amid the lousy ones. Harris wants to increase the supply of housing, which is the real way to bring prices down and get more people into homes. The only trouble with that is that federal policy can’t do a lot to influence restrictive zoning laws that are mostly local.
Trump, for his part, wants to cut regulations, which would make businesses more productive if he targeted the most outdated rules without compromising safety or environmental protection. But the rational stuff is boring. It takes nutty ideas to really get some attention.


If only there were a way to know what happened to the dollar under Harris-Pedo Joe administration.

Anyone want to tell him?
 
The price controls are particularly dumb. All they accomplish is limiting production. Grocery stores operate on slim margins as it is, they rely on volume. Their costs are high because the cost of producing food is sky high. Land costs, feed, labor to plant and harvest, higher transportation costs to market. When the .Gov puts a cap on prices, the farmers are going to stop producing, they can't stay in business at a loss. This happened bigly in Venezuela. Empty shelves in the grocery stores, resulting in rationing.

The home down payment gift is a joke. There's no incentive to save for a down payment and no accountability lessons about the realities of making regular loan payments. The number of defaults will make 2008 look like child's play. Sellers are just going to increase their prices because that's what an efficient market does. Where is this money coming from anyway? We all know, same place student loan forgiveness does. :mad:
I can picture "first time" home buyers, with an extra $25k now trying to buy an even bigger/better/more expensive house than what they were thinking before, which could easily cause more foreclosures later when they realize that it was more house then they could ACTUALLY afford.

My wife falls into that category. When we were looking to buy, her father was moving in with us and wanted to give us some $ so he would not feel like a burden. My wife immediately started looking for somethin bigger/better because of it. I stopped her and finally got her to understand that it would better for us to stick to the $ range we had agreed upon before he offered $ as it was better for our budget and to use the $ to pay off debt and put some in savings.
 
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