SCOTUS to hear arguments tomorrow on student loan debt forgiveness

[Orangeclad]

What is your guess and odds on how this case is decided?

Personally, I am as interested in this case as I am in most cases. I will be not only disappointed but extremely pissed if this court allows Biden, play King, and take away the power of the purse from Congress and have tax payers pay this debt.

 

[kalimgoodman]

I think it's gone. Especially since he's ending the emergency situation with covid.

 

[NavigatorII]

What is your guess and odds on how this case is decided?

Personally, I am as interested in this case as I am in most cases. I will be not only disappointed but extremely pissed if this court allows Biden, play King, and take away the power of the purse from Congress and have tax payers pay this debt.

Hopefully the Constitution and rule of law prevails. Common sense and the general temperature of articles and comments I read tell me 75% of the country knows the forgiveness plan is bullshit and an end around constitutional law. But you never know. Roberts is compromised and always a wild card.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Hopefully the Constitution and rule of law prevails. Common sense and the general temperature of articles and comments I read tell me 75% of the country knows the forgiveness plan is bullshit and an end around constitutional law. But you never know. Roberts is compromised and always a wild card.

In all seriousness and I hope you actually do the research. Biden used the same logic around the constitution that Trump used for something that the Supreme Court ruled constitutional a few years back. Something with emergency powers.

If it was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If anyone flip their votes then it will show that all 9 justices are political advocates (which I already know they are).

I am more watching that then the actual ruling.

 

[BamaFan1137]

In all seriousness and I hope you actually do the research. Biden used the same logic around the constitution that Trump used for something that the Supreme Court ruled constitutional a few years back. Something with emergency powers.

If it was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If anyone flip their votes then it will show that all 9 justices are political advocates (which I already know they are).

I am more watching that then the actual ruling.

That's assuming the merits of each case are identical. And there's no way that the two cases are identical. If they were, a second ruling wouldn't be required.

 

[kalimgoodman]

That's assuming the merits of each case are identical. And there's no way that the two cases are identical. If they were, a second ruling wouldn't be required.

That is true. It's definitely similar

 

[nail1988]

Hopefully the Constitution and rule of law prevails. Common sense and the general temperature of articles and comments I read tell me 75% of the country knows the forgiveness plan is bullshit and an end around constitutional law. But you never know. Roberts is compromised and always a wild card.

SCOTUS will strike down Bidens unconstitutional fiat. It is illegal and a disgrace.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

In all seriousness and I hope you actually do the research. Biden used the same logic around the constitution that Trump used for something that the Supreme Court ruled constitutional a few years back. Something with emergency powers.

If it was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If anyone flip their votes then it will show that all 9 justices are political advocates (which I already know they are).

I am more watching that then the actual ruling.

What in the blue hell are you babbling about?

"I hope you do your research, cause I have. Hiden used the same logic that Trump did about something. The Supreme Court ruled something was constitutional a few years back. It was something about something.

It was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If any of these new justices that weren't on the case that went 6-3 now flip their votes, it proves every one of them is a political advocate. Which I already know they are.

I am more watching that then the actual ruling. You know, doing my research. About....something."


It really gives me a headache reading your posts. I suspect it gives you an even bigger one writing them.

 

[NavigatorII]

In all seriousness and I hope you actually do the research. Biden used the same logic around the constitution that Trump used for something that the Supreme Court ruled constitutional a few years back. Something with emergency powers.

If it was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If anyone flip their votes then it will show that all 9 justices are political advocates (which I already know they are).

I am more watching that then the actual ruling.

Bullshit. Hiden is trying to use a covid "emergency" to forgive student debt. He got a pause on payments, no issue with that. Forgiveness? They can go eff themselves. Feel free to tell Lil Dickey I said that on Swamp Talk. There is no "covid emergency" now. Eff em. The dead beats can go blow themselves, and use Astroglide for all I care.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Bullshit. Hiden is trying to use a covid "emergency" to forgive student debt. He got a pause on payments, no issue with that. Forgiveness? They can go eff themselves. Feel free to tell Lil Dickey I said that on Swamp Talk. There is no "covid emergency" now. Eff em. The dead beats can go blow themselves, and use Astroglide for all I care.

I said that...

 

[NavigatorII]

I said that...

Well shit. That's NOT the tune you were singing before the SCOTUS got the case. 😂

 

[EvilWayz]

The dead beats can go blow themselves, and use Astroglide for all I care.

What?!?!!!?!

That's not how that works. That's not how any of this works!!!!!

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Bullshit. Hiden is trying to use a covid "emergency" to forgive student debt. He got a pause on payments, no issue with that. Forgiveness? They can go eff themselves. Feel free to tell Lil Dickey I said that on Swamp Talk. There is no "covid emergency" now. Eff em. The dead beats can go blow themselves, and use Astroglide for all I care.

And it will hurt the majority of borrowers. It's a wet kiss to the lenders, who are owned by the government. Spent months trying to explain this to @RayGravesGhost. If Hiden truly wanted to help the borrowers, he would slash the interest rates. But that would hurt the lenders, so he's not doing it.

 

[armbar73]

And it will hurt the majority of borrowers. It's a wet kiss to the lenders, who are owned by the government. Spent months trying to explain this to @RayGravesGhost. If Hiden truly wanted to help the borrowers, he would slash the interest rates. But that would hurt the lenders, so he's not doing it.

Correct. Interest rate reduction would have had a lasting effect for the entity of the loan. It was a vote grab that in the long run will do very little to help borrowers unless someone had around the 10k or 20k left to pay.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Well shit. That's NOT the tune you were singing before the SCOTUS got the case. 😂

No, I always said that it was technically unconstitutional but Biden tried to use the same logic as Trump used in regards to emergency powers. I also said from day 1 that it wouldn't stick with this Supreme Court.

Now where we differ is that, I actually like the he wants to do it.

 

[Orangeclad]

No, I always said that it was technically unconstitutional but Biden tried to use the same logic as Trump used in regards to emergency powers. I also said from day 1 that it wouldn't stick with this Supreme Court.

Now where we differ is that, I actually like the he wants to do it.

2 questions for you. When you say "technically unconstitutional", is that the same thing as just plain unconstitutional or is there a difference? And the second question regards your oinion that it wouldn't stick with "this" Supreme Court. Are you referencing the conservative makeup of the court, and if you are, my question is that if the Biden tactic is unconstiutional, should it not stick with ANY court makeup even if there were nine liberals sitting on it?

 

[Orangeclad]

Hopefully the Constitution and rule of law prevails. Common sense and the general temperature of articles and comments I read tell me 75% of the country knows the forgiveness plan is bullshit and an end around constitutional law. But you never know. Roberts is compromised and always a wild card.

Interesting you mention Roberts because I still haven't forgotten 2010 and his absolutely tortured logic deciding vote to uphold Obamacare. Scalia and Kennedy were pissed.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

What is your guess and odds on how this case is decided?

Personally, I am as interested in this case as I am in most cases. I will be not only disappointed but extremely pissed if this court allows Biden, play King, and take away the power of the purse from Congress and have tax payers pay this debt.

This hearing should last about 15 minutes. This is a no brainer....

 

[NavigatorII]

2 questions for you. When you say "technically unconstitutional", is that the same thing as just plain unconstitutional or is there a difference? And the second question regards your oinion that it wouldn't stick with "this" Supreme Court. Are you referencing the conservative makeup of the court, and if you are, my question is that if the Biden tactic is unconstiutional, should it not stick with ANY court makeup even if there were nine liberals sitting on it?

That's quite the quandary for him, isn't it?

 

[NavigatorII]

Interesting you mention Roberts because I still haven't forgotten 2010 and his absolutely tortured logic deciding vote to uphold Obamacare. Scalia and Kennedy were pissed.

Roberts is as compromised as Hiden is.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

In all seriousness and I hope you actually do the research. Biden used the same logic around the constitution that Trump used for something that the Supreme Court ruled constitutional a few years back. Something with emergency powers.

If it was 6-3 then, then it should be 6-3 now. If anyone flip their votes then it will show that all 9 justices are political advocates (which I already know they are).

I am more watching that then the actual ruling.

THE DUMBEST POST EVER!! You are leaving out a VERY, VERY important part...the emergency is OVER!!! Secondly, your little girl Nancy already admitted it was unconstitutional! Go find an argument you have at least 2% chance of winning. This one is not it

 

[Capt Ron 1]

No, I always said that it was technically unconstitutional but Biden tried to use the same logic as Trump used in regards to emergency powers. I also said from day 1 that it wouldn't stick with this Supreme Court.

Now where we differ is that, I actually like the he wants to do it.

THANK GOD Trump nominated 3 CONSTITUTIONALIST judges to outweigh the political HACKS. Only thing Cocaine Mitch EVER did that was good

 

[Orangeclad]

THANK GOD Trump nominated 3 CONSTITUTIONALIST judges to outweigh the political HACKS. Only thing Cocaine Mitch EVER did that was good

At least Harry Reid wasn't totally worthless, as it turned out.

 

[GatorTheo]

Loan forgiveness is like handing out some random bandaids one time as a solution to lots of people being routinely cut by patches of barbed wire.

The barbed wire is what needs to be addressed.

 

[kalimgoodman]

2 questions for you. When you say "technically unconstitutional", is that the same thing as just plain unconstitutional or is there a difference? And the second question regards your oinion that it wouldn't stick with "this" Supreme Court. Are you referencing the conservative makeup of the court, and if you are, my question is that if the Biden tactic is unconstiutional, should it not stick with ANY court makeup even if there were nine liberals sitting on it?

I hope you actually read this and not just be in "attack" mode.

I said technically because congress control the purse BUT a recent SC ruling ruled that in emergency situations the president can bypass congress and make purse decisions. We just don't know how far that power goes for the president and the Biden administration is testing it.

In regards to the lower courts, they are attempting to follow the lead of the Supreme Court. It's a balancing act and everyone is trying to find it out.

I know you just want to believe that Biden went rogue but his legal team spent time looking into it, and convinced him that there is a potentially legal way to make it work based on that ruling.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Now where we differ is that, I actually like the he wants to do it.

You are just blindly siding with him. Talk to any borrower that has been paying their loans for a while and see what they tell you. Every one of them will say they would rather have an interest rate reduction.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I said technically because congress control the purse BUT a recent SC ruling ruled that in emergency situations the president can bypass congress and make purse decisions.

Please cite your source for this. I say that because you often completely misinterpret what you are reading. Either intentionally, or sometimes unintentionally. Please show your work.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I know you just want to believe that Biden went rogue but his legal team spent time looking into it, and convinced him that there is a potentially legal way to make it work based on that ruling.

No he didn't. He knew this would never work, it was never his intention to make it work. His intention was to make a law that he knew would get threw out, then he and his party use it to campaign on. They fundraise off the issue, and Hiden uses it to push for expanding the court.

 

[armbar73]

Loan forgiveness is like handing out some random bandaids one time as a solution to lots of people being routinely cut by patches of barbed wire.

The barbed wire is what needs to be addressed.

Yep.

Comments like “now people won’t have to chose between their electric bill and student loan payment” are terribly disingenuous. For people that are struggling with making ends meet, it’s a cash flow issue. So true relief would only happen after the 10 or 20k and new loan terms resulting in a much lower payment. Or simply lowing interest rates.

It’s a joke and was done for optics.

 

[JimGaster]

Why would I pay for my student loans, my daughter’s student loans & the student loans that some deadbeat decided to take out?

Answer: I won’t!

 

[FresnoGator]

Bullshit. Hiden is trying to use a covid "emergency" to forgive student debt. He got a pause on payments, no issue with that. Forgiveness? They can go eff themselves. Feel free to tell Lil Dickey I said that on Swamp Talk. There is no "covid emergency" now. Eff em. The dead beats can go blow themselves, and use Astroglide for all I care.

Look, going to have to draw the line at the impugning of Astroglide. It is fantastic stuff and not at all for deadbeats ...

 

[Orangeclad]

And with all this talk of forgiving student loan obligations to make other people pay for it, I hear zero talk on how this problem gets "fixed". Why won't we have the same problem 5 years from now with just another round of monstrous debt? College costs are off the chart ridiculous because colleges have no incentive to reduce costs because they know somebody pays. So how does this situation ever get better?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

No he didn't. He knew this would never work, it was never his intention to make it work. His intention was to make a law that he knew would get threw out, then he and his party use it to campaign on. They fundraise off the issue, and Hiden uses it to push for expanding the court.

Anyone not seeing this is blind or dumb

 

[greyghost14]

Look, going to have to draw the line at the impugning of Astroglide. It is fantastic stuff and not at all for deadbeats ...

I’m not a fan of Astroglide but it has given at least some “deadbeats” a new lease on being jerk-offs ….. lol

 

[NavigatorII]

At least Harry Reid wasn't totally worthless, as it turned out.

You mean by killing the SCOTUS appointment filibuster? 😂

 

[NavigatorII]

Look, going to have to draw the line at the impugning of Astroglide. It is fantastic stuff and not at all for deadbeats ...

When I first introduced that to a few lasses, they went straight through glass ceilings they never thought they could attain. 😂

 

[Orangeclad]

You mean by killing the SCOTUS appointment filibuster? 😂

Yup, he didn't go as far as SCOTUS but opened the door on federal judges. Then Mitch really nuked it.

 

[NavigatorII]

And with all this talk of forgiving student loan obligations to make other people pay for it, I hear zero talk on how this problem gets "fixed". Why won't we have the same problem 5 years from now with just another round of monstrous debt? College costs are off the chart ridiculous because colleges have no incentive to reduce costs because they know somebody pays. So how does this situation ever get better?

It will get fixed when people stop getting useless degrees that they'll never get a job with, or at least ones that can attain an income good enough to repay them. Just exactly WTF are these universities doing with their billions of endowments? They should be using them to attract doctors, engineers, etc to defray the exorbitant costs for those fields where excellence is absolutely essential.

 

[kalimgoodman]

And with all this talk of forgiving student loan obligations to make other people pay for it, I hear zero talk on how this problem gets "fixed". Why won't we have the same problem 5 years from now with just another round of monstrous debt? College costs are off the chart ridiculous because colleges have no incentive to reduce costs because they know somebody pays. So how does this situation ever get better?

It helps some people in the short-term but does nothing to help the long-term. At the same time Biden never said it would. He called for congressional change for the long-term.

 

[NavigatorII]

It helps some people in the short-term but does nothing to help the long-term. At the same time Biden never said it would. He called for congressional change for the long-term.

He certainly went about it in a funny way. End around right before midterms. 😂