It is great that we apparently have players turning on each other...must be a very cohesive locker room. Getting harder and harder to believe in or feel positive about this team...
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Definitely not good. I hope Cleveland doesn't get caught up in this. I am assuming him and Rick Wells are buddies since they were the ones nailed for shooting windows with BB guns I think.
I'm getting more & more turned off with all the drama coming out of pro & college football, the supposed "major" sport. The political statements in the NFL, like not standing for our national anthem, and the regular stupid, selfish actions of our college players that results in team-hurting suspensions makes me sick. 10 suspensions for the opening game is unacceptable and Gator fans should be outraged. That's one of the reasons I'm drifting more towards the so-called "minor" sports, where the players actually appreciate what they've got. This prima donna attitude of entitlement has permeated our society and when football players, especially, think they are above the rules it just turns me off big time. I'm going to watch the Gator football game Saturday, but I find myself caring less and less about them and more & more about how the soccer and volleyball teams are doing.
I have to admit that is kind of funny I guess if you aren't a Gator fan.
I've been that way for about 4-5 years how. Sure I watch football and occasionally keep up with the recruiting ranks and such....but If much rather it be baseball or such be the mainstream sport.
sadgator feels the same way and wishes he could just not care about gator football...and then 3:30 on Saturday comes and sadgator forgets...
That is seriously freakin' hilarious.
This is awesome...I don't care who you are.
I feel what Ocala is saying BUT y'all are to blame. And the universities. Think about why schools accept who they accept and put up with what they put up with...millions. And at the bigger schools football is carrying whole athletic programs and in some cases even allowing schools to pocket millions to spend everywhere else. Everything goes when money is involved. Then there's other aspects like failing women's sports that have to be carried by schools because of Title IX creating the need for the big money sports to carry an even heavier load and it just adds more to it. But that's a discussion for another day. Don't blame the players, y'all need to be mad at the admins. It's easier to point the kids at the players people can't relate to though.
Intellical point that can't be argued.
Each recruiting year 95% of us are like "ah give the kid a second chance" and all things similar. More times than not, a troubled kid actually takes advantage of the scholarship and makes his life better than what it would have been never attending college. Some go pro, some go into a field of study that requires college education, some just become better citizens. It honestly is a small amount that get into or cause trouble but we all know the saying of one bad apple...
I do know other sports have their bad seeds. Recently read about Auburn softball, a few basketball players, occasional baseball players, and even small Olympic sport athletes. But across the board it does seem as if football is the one constantly doing the wrong things. Is it the large numbers (85 ship players vs an average of 20 or so per other sports) of football players on campuses but what is the culprit? It's no secret that the majority of the talent are from inner cities or poverty stricken areas but even the privileged or high middle class kids are in trouble. What creates this beast?
Football players are the ones put on a pedestal in college for the most part - that probably has a lot to do with it.
Agree with this. The schools and the NCAA admin they sign off on are the most to blame. As far as the revenue sports are concerned, the NCAA's sole function is basically to uphold the myth of the student athlete. Trying to maintain that illusion is what creates these absurd schemes like this credit card mess. As far as weed, obviously the NCAA and NFL think taking a moral stand on that issue makes them more marketable.
I think a big part of it is lack of accountability. The four and five star players in the revenue sports have people kissing their asses from eighth grade on. You can bet the ones who eventually get popped for something stupid have had about a dozen others covered up.
Exactly. The schools are running game on the fans, it's all a distraction. 99% of athletes (and this goes for the majority of sports) have no interest being in school but the schools wanna be able to hold on to the millions that they bring in in revenue so we get this fake 'student athlete' label (btw y'all should look up why that label was originally created). Then when those kids who in many cases have no interest in being there OR don't belong there does some stupid shit those same schools turn around and act like the athlete is the problem. None of these schools would be caught dead in some of the neighborhoods I lived in or some athletes live in if they couldn't put fans in the seats and make them millions. But the athlete is the problem? Nah blame the schools bringing some people on their campus who can't even read and have arrest records. See, I knew I was getting used. Difference is I used them just as much to better myself.
Now as far as the middle class kids doing dumb shit? Entitlement. That has no class. And it starts early. If you can ball you basically get passed through school and whatever you do people look out for you. Then you go on recruiting trips and schools give you girls, some give you drugs, you get cool apparel, and some might even give you cash. Then you get to school and even the 'elite academic' schools have jock majors to make sure you stay eligible. How many people wouldn't feel like they're on top of the world and can do what they want? And that again goes back to the school. Look at Callaway...if he couldn't ball would he even be at UF right now? We all know the answer. And 90% of UF fans were like "let him play!" regardless of what he does lol. Fans and the admins are the problem.
I think there is *some* truth with this argument. But making it seems to absolve any accountability to the player committing the crime. You are almost arguing that were it not for rabid fans bases and lots of money generated, no football player ever would break the law.
No they would still break the law. They just wouldn't be doing it on a college campus because they wouldn't be there to begin with. And only their friends and family would care and it wouldn't be a UF or any colleges problem. UF wouldn't be in inner city Miami if they couldn't find a Callaway there.
Put it this way, would the majority of us care if members of the Swim/Dive team got caught up in a credit card scandal? Would we care if the best diver got busted for taking a banned GNC product. Would the majority of us even know about it? It would at best be a two reply post on most message boards.
We'd say suspended them all, fire the coach of need be. For football, basketball, and baseball to a lesser degree our anus tightens up and we find any way possible to make it more minor than what it is. I'm as guilty as anybody.
We'd say suspended them all, fire the coach of need be. For football, basketball, and baseball to a lesser degree our anus tightens up and we find any way possible to make it more minor than what it is. I'm as guilty as anybody.
Right. Like for example if somebody told us they could make Callaway play right now and it would guarantee a win how many people wouldn't take that deal? 90% would. But then we get upset when they feel like they can do what they want. Well gee I wonder why.
In ten years, we'll all be watching soccer. I don't think this CTE stuff is going away. Call me a wuss, but I'm starting to feel a little skeevy at the realization that I'm basically watching a bunch of 19 year olds, many of whom are borderline, functionally illiterate, inflict permanent brain damage on each other for the chance at making a little bit of money in the pros. It's one thing for the pros to do it for millions of dollars, but there is something effed about the state of college athletics at the moment. As bizarre as it sounds, I'm almost hoping that FSU doesn't win the playoff simply because I know that whoever wins it this year is going to be the subject of fanatical media scrutiny due to the CTE issue. Let Bama be their whipping boy.
I'm probably gonna have to find another way to waste my Saturday afternoons. Orlando is already a soccer town. Of course that's mainly because Orlando has no major football programs (UCF doesn't count).
I'm probably gonna have to find another way to waste my Saturday afternoons. Orlando is already a soccer town. Of course that's mainly because Orlando has no major football programs (UCF doesn't count).
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I don't care who the hell you are, thats f*cking funny.
I see what you are saying, but disagree about where these kids would have ended up. If there was no college football to feed the pros, they would have started their own farm systems. To be sure, that might take the burden off colleges having to figure out ways to incorporate talented athletes that are ill suited for academic life. But the kids would still be playing football and all that implies.
Look at baseball. The best athletes almost always go directly from HS to the pros. Because money. For the most part, Colleges get a few first level guys but mostly second level guys that want a college experience in addition to honing their craft over a farm system that just wants to hone their craft. From that, we see a lot less bullshit from college baseball players.
Your right, but it still makes me mad as hell every time idiotic players make stupid decisions.
The Seminoles are unconquered! Well, they ran away and hid and the government chose not to hunt them down, but still.
What a parcel of total BS most of that is.
Ignore the vast majority of student/athletes that play football, get a degree, and are a positive influence in the community, while whining and excusing the small percentage of total losers that CHOOSE to do stupid/illegal chit.
I'm okay with giving the born losers 1-2 chances to grow-up and get it right, but I'm more than okay with dumping the bad apples on their 3rd strike, before they can spoil the whole majority of fine young men that are CHOOSING to do it right.
I'm not putting a Jordan Scarlett and a Malik Davis in the same category, even if they happen to be on the same Gator team. I'm also not putting an Antonio Callaway in the same category as a Daquon Green.
All four of them have star potential as athletes, but the 2 freshmen.also have the solid potential to be super student/athletes and 'top of the line' citizens in the community. The difference between them is their CHOICES.
Former Gator's like Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright (from Liberty City) puts the lie to background being the overwhelming factor in what any kid CHOOSES to do with his opportunity and with his life.
Ignore the vast majority of student/athletes that play football, get a degree, and are a positive influence in the community, while whining and excusing the small percentage of total losers that CHOOSE to do stupid/illegal chit.
I'm okay with giving the born losers 1-2 chances to grow-up and get it right, but I'm more than okay with dumping the bad apples on their 3rd strike, before they can spoil the whole majority of fine young men that are CHOOSING to do it right.
I'm not putting a Jordan Scarlett and a Malik Davis in the same category, even if they happen to be on the same Gator team. I'm also not putting an Antonio Callaway in the same category as a Daquon Green.
All four of them have star potential as athletes, but the 2 freshmen.also have the solid potential to be super student/athletes and 'top of the line' citizens in the community. The difference between them is their CHOICES.
Former Gator's like Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright (from Liberty City) puts the lie to background being the overwhelming factor in what any kid CHOOSES to do with his opportunity and with his life.
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That's kinda what I was getting at. Some would end up in a farm system, some would end up on the streets doing dumb shit, but either way it wouldn't be the college's problem. If the NCAA wanted to really go back to 'amateurism' then colleges could actually do that and have club teams or something like that. Everybody wins. Colleges can go back to doing what they're supposed to do and the people who don't want 'questionable characters' on campus won't have to worry about it...they'll be in a minor league somewhere or out on their own doing what they wanna do.
What a parcel of total BS most of that is.
Ignore the vast majority of student/athletes that play football, get a degree, and are a positive influence in the community, while whining and excusing the small percentage of total losers that CHOOSE to do stupid/illegal chit.
I'm okay with giving the born losers 1-2 chances to grow-up and get it right, but I'm more than okay with dumping the bad apples on their 3rd strike, before they can spoil the whole majority of fine young men that are CHOOSING to do it right.
I'm not putting a Jordan Scarlett and a Malik Davis in the same category, even if they happen to be on the same Gator team. I'm also not putting an Antonio Callaway in the same category as a Daquon Green.
All four of them have star potential as athletes, but the 2 freshmen.also have the solid potential to be super student/athletes and 'top of the line' citizens in the community. The difference between them is their CHOICES.
Former Gator's like Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright (from Liberty City) puts the lie to background being the overwhelming factor in what any kid CHOOSES to do with his opportunity and with his life.
Nobody said anything about background being an 'overwhelming factor' in what a kid decides to do so seems you're arguing with yourself. Pretty sure entitlement was mentioned as the primary reason, I even said class doesn't matter when it comes to entitlement. What was said is that some kids with sketchy pasts have no business being on a college campus and they wouldn't be there if colleges stopped pretending the 'student athlete' was a real thing, especially when it comes to the two major sports. So for your example Lawrence Wright is irrelevant because he didn't come to UF with issues. In a perfect world somebody like Lawrence Wright would go to college while somebody else like Callaway would be in a minor league somewhere where he probably wants to be anyway. Everybody wins.
Not me. Callaway should be booted from the team, IMO. He's been given multiple 2nd chances and he just doesn't get it. I don't care how good he is or great he may be in the NFL, he has no place on a college campus. I agree in theory with much of your prior arguments, but still think that because football is the big dog, even in high school, some of these players come in having never been held accountable for their prior bad acts. The fans and admins. of high schools and colleges share in some of the blame. But to me the kids and their lack of proper parenting are most at fault. If it's only the demands of the fans and admins., why aren't the rest of the players breaking the rules? Because the majority of them have had good parenting, are solid citizens and respect themselves, their teammates, coaches and the university. Overall, I think UF has done a very good job with being consistent with their discipline and trying to nip stuff in the bud. And I give Jeremy Foley a lot of credit for establishing that culture. I, also, think the vast majority of college athletes DO want to be in school and get degrees. Most of them will never earn a living playing sports and are taking advantage of their athletic abilities to get a degree. It's just a few football & basketball players, with maybe a handful of others, that are only in college to enhance their athletic skills and set themselves up for a chance at big bucks in their sport. I'm just frustrated and disgusted, honestly and just vented with my prior post. Love the Gators and always pull for them, but want our players to respect UF and do things the right way.
Recruit solid citizens that will be honorable student/athletes and a credit to UF.
Let the small percentage of 'others' go elsewhere.
UF coach Jim McElwain and his staff won the state of Florida in the 2017 recruiting cycle, signing more top-50 prospects from Florida than any other program in the country.
While that is very commendable, Mc-staff seems to have taken a few too many chances with the borderline 'quality of character' athletes. But he/they have now filled the gaping holes left to them, and are now doing better with their selections.
At least I'm hoping that's the case...
Let the small percentage of 'others' go elsewhere.
UF coach Jim McElwain and his staff won the state of Florida in the 2017 recruiting cycle, signing more top-50 prospects from Florida than any other program in the country.
While that is very commendable, Mc-staff seems to have taken a few too many chances with the borderline 'quality of character' athletes. But he/they have now filled the gaping holes left to them, and are now doing better with their selections.
At least I'm hoping that's the case...
Are they following the rules though? Usually only the really bad stuff gets out while everything else gets swept under the rug. That's big time college sports. ALook around the nation with schools having academic scandals centered around sports and stuff. Like at UNC that had been going on for DECADES and they were one of the schools people talked about doing it the 'right way.'
I disagree that most athletes wanna be in school too, look at baseball. The kids who are good enough to go pro USUALLY don't even give school a second thought. Of course you have some who are good enough to go pro and still choose to go to school but they're the minority. If you gave most athletes regardless of sport the choice to go pro and make money right now or go to college, I bet the majority would go pro. The only thing keeping those floodgates from being open is eligibility requirements for a lot of leagues which almost force college attendance. And that damn sure ain't because they care about those athletes getting an education either.
Baseless claims with no or little facts to back them up.
Majority bets that are never factually backed up.
Solid personal bias while ignoring the overall realities.
The number of UF student/athlets that go pro, compared to student/athletes that leave UF with a degree. What are the factual numbers?
Number of UF student/athletes that are never in any trouble, compared to student/athletes that get arrested for misdeeds? What are the factual numbers.
What anyone 'chooses' to believe, and reality, are often not even in the same ballpark...
Majority bets that are never factually backed up.
Solid personal bias while ignoring the overall realities.
The number of UF student/athlets that go pro, compared to student/athletes that leave UF with a degree. What are the factual numbers?
Number of UF student/athletes that are never in any trouble, compared to student/athletes that get arrested for misdeeds? What are the factual numbers.
What anyone 'chooses' to believe, and reality, are often not even in the same ballpark...
Your point makes no sense because there are rules in place FORCING athletes to go to college. So how exactly is that proof that most would choose to go if those rules weren't in place? They don't have a choice currently. But if school was a big deal to elite athletes why does football for example have record numbers of underclassmen declaring for the draft the past few years? Because they all want to be in school so bad? Why do the best baseball players by and large forego school to go to the minors? Again because they all want to be in school so bad? Logic is hard.
This Saturday is going to be a Double-Jim day for college football.
May it be a good day for the McGator and a bad day for the hardblowing meatchicken....
For those that think that losing Scarlett is the game changer for the Gator's chances to beat Mich, just remember what Honorary Team Captain Emmitt Smith did as a true freshman vs Bama in their house,,, cause I certainly do...
I believe that Perine can carry the load, but Malik Davis may be the Gator's new version of an Emmitt... (crosses fingers)
Can someone please ask Emmitt to pull Malik aside and give him a pre-game booster shot of confidence!
May it be a good day for the McGator and a bad day for the hardblowing meatchicken....
For those that think that losing Scarlett is the game changer for the Gator's chances to beat Mich, just remember what Honorary Team Captain Emmitt Smith did as a true freshman vs Bama in their house,,, cause I certainly do...
I believe that Perine can carry the load, but Malik Davis may be the Gator's new version of an Emmitt... (crosses fingers)
Can someone please ask Emmitt to pull Malik aside and give him a pre-game booster shot of confidence!
As per usual, nothing you post has anything do with what's being discussed. What relevance does the amount of athletes who go pro vs. those who have a degree have to with what they'd choose if they had a choice? And that's not even accounting for the fact that many who go pro ALSO have degrees, so its a dumb distinction you're trying to make. If anything what you're doing is presenting an argument for why athletes SHOULD value college more, but that's separate from where they'd prefer to be. Yea I'm sure athletes would rather bypass millions to sit in a classroom, because it happens so often when they have the choice to actually go pro. Seems legit.
