Nolies, we gettin' a coaching announcement like y'all said would be today
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25.3 points per game during their "national championship" season.
Frost was around when they gave up 30 plus to the likes of Austin Peay and Arkansas State.
I didn’t think FSU’s promise to finish the season on Saturday, sign a coach the Sunday after, and introduce yesterday was going to happen
That bespeaks of ignorance and impatience, both of which aren’t good signs of a coaching search, especially in light of the last disasterous hire
They better lock this down, and quit talking about it. The more information that they slip out to the media after failing this deadline, the more they’ll look desperate
That bespeaks of ignorance and impatience, both of which aren’t good signs of a coaching search, especially in light of the last disasterous hire
They better lock this down, and quit talking about it. The more information that they slip out to the media after failing this deadline, the more they’ll look desperate
These two are about as short sighted as it comes.
1. When you are the level of booster I am you have to fill out a contract so that they can include your yearly donation as part of the annual budget. And if you think playing in that golf tournament is inexpensive you are factually wrong. You vote with your team through donations and money. If they stop coming that’s how you vote your lack of approval with how things run.
Do you really think that Taggart would have been removed when he did if donations and attendance, which equals revenue didn’t drop to an all time low in the past 30 years?
2. So we are to take your internet fodder as fact and ignore others? Just because you have the state Tennessee in your moniker it hardly makes you an expert on the personal life of the Memphis head football coach. I live in Florida doesn’t make me an expert on Mullen.
3. Having a gambling issue does not mean that one is in significant debt. And while it is internet fodder, I would rather the candidate for my alma mater not have that tied to him. Especially seeing as there are other schools that have mentioned it.
But I am sure i can await a long winded response about how I am wrong.
Being that I have done work for Mike Norvell and know him on a personal level from the day he has stepped into the job is more than living a few counties over from Mullen. Being that my uncle works in the athletic department for over a decade now and my son was on the support staff is a little closer than internet rumors. Being that I have a house in the same neighborhood isn't just an internet handle. Being that my niece has provided childcare for Mila is pretty significant. Being that a portion of my family in Arkansas have grown up with the Chiolino family and have known Maria since birth is more personal than internet fodder. Being that my closest cousion played alongside him at UCA is more than internet bullshit.
Post the sources of other schools mentioning Mike Norvell's gambling debt. Other than a recruiting visit to Rosa Fort High School and a duck hunting trip to Beaver Dam Mike Norvell has never spent much time in Tunica County, MS.
This day in internet technology there would be plenty of photos of Norvell at the casinos. It was former UM coach Tommy West who was the casino regular.
Honestly I hope you get to use your golf clubs this upcoming event. I'd hate to lose my neighbor and at the same time see FSU improve. Don't take him. He will be connected to some greyhound track in Fla, lol.
As again...post your legit source.
Has any coach in modern times have 5 different players return kickoffs for TD's? In a 3 year span.
Forget all that. He banged co-eds in Tulsa as a GA. Took dic pics. Also blows all of his money at the casino. FSU would be crazy to touch such a coach.
Forget all that. He banged co-eds in Tulsa as a GA. Took dic pics. Also blows all of his money at the casino. FSU would be crazy to touch such a coach.
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Whoa!Our cafeteria isn't staffed appropriately for that hire.
Unfortunately word on the streets are you are going to have to put your golf clubs in the corner of the garage to collect dust.
Unfortunately for Gator fans we are going to have to face a fast offense that showcases speed.
How good can he recruit at a high profile school? Thats to be determined. However player development and evaluation will be off the charts.
My uncle played basketball at Memphis in the late 80's. He worked in the admin for years and is now a member of the basketball staff. My son worked got his schooling paid for under both Fuente and Norvell. I took post graduate classes at the school. My fiance graduated from there. I've coached select league with a handful of baseball players who continued their careers at the school. I worked closely with Jenny Fuente and later befriended Mike Norvell. Never claimed to be besties but I know the guy and his family well enough. Therefore for the last 10 years I have attended nearly every home game. Went to a few road games. Went to most bowl games. Been a part of their booster club the Highland Hundred.
Why you don't want the guy is hilarious. Honestly I hope he doesn't take the job. FSU offense will explode. Will probably produce a Heisman winner. The guy is one year removed from losing his near 2000 yard rusher Darrell Henderson. Losing his record setting kick returner and multi use TD maker in Tony Pollard. For most of the season he was without his 1000 yard rusher Patrick Taylor. He lost his athletic TE Sean Dykes. He lost the player who played the Tony Pollard role in Pop Williams early in the season. He replaced his OC, DC, and multiple other assistant coaches. However he didn't skip a beat. Hell he actually improved. He made RSFreshman Kenny Gainwell into an All American. He made Antonio Gipson a former JUCO nobody wanted into a playmaker. He took a kid off the track team and turned him into a playmaker in Calvin Austin III. He had 3 different players return kicks for TD's this season. He has had 5 different kick returners return a kick for a TD in 3 years.
If defense concerns you...study the factors that Austin Hall, Bryce Huff, O'Bryan Goodson, Sanchez Blake, Jonathan Wilson, Joey Dorceus, Chris Clsybrooks, and TJ Carter were.
Honestly I'm not trying to convince you. To tell the truth I downright hate it...however unlike you my reasons are that FSU has the potential to be scary good again.
No damn school put out any true information of Norvell being a gambler. It was Ole Miss fans that were shunned they got turned down by a coach at "little brother". They have some snobby complex that they can get anybody they want from the G5 because "they are SEC". Arkansas thought they could get him because his wife's family is connected to the school. Truth be told he knew both of those programs(along with Miss State) were train wreck dead end jobs. He made the comment of how his friend Chad Morris jumped the gun, left a school with Cinderella potential, and would be looking for a new job in 2 years. He was spot on. Mike Norvell was waiting on the right job. FSU unfortunately may be just that.
Honestly I hope you are hitting the course riding in a cart behind Monty Jr.
In the AAC. I think he’s a pretty good coach but Scott Frost, Justin Fuente & Butch Jones are recent coaches that had much success in that same conference as well and are now struggling or have been fired. Norvell is no Scott Frost either. Granted the ACC is not a very tough conference so that makes the transition a little easier.
Only because he lost H2H against Frost. One of those games went right down to the wire.
You are comparing Florida recruits vs mid south recruits. Much easier at UCF.
You are right Fuente, Frost, Jones...TAGGART...Herman. But then there is Matt Rhule.
Honestly Fuente has Va Tech in better position than the downhill era of Beamer. Va Tech has always been average with the exception of the all world Vick and a few sprinkled in years here and there.
Roll the dice...will he be a Rhule or a Taggart?
@PacoGator19 let me edit. Its debatable how superior Frost is to Norvell. H2H your decision? So Smart>Mullen? Regardless, we've all discussed Frost took a job its hard to win at. You made that point yesterday. We all know why Frost took that job. It was home. I still think Frost can win elsewhere. If you have 1/2 a brain you can win easy at FSU. Nebraska...not so much.
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Jimbo was never a p5 coach before??? MEYER was never a p5 coach before he got his opportunity. Most coaches dont start out as p5 coaches. Most schools hire from within, hell look at OU, UM, OSU... All inside hires. Its rare for a p5 coach to go to another p5 school. It just doesnt happen a lot. The only way they do is if they have ties to tye school like Mullen to UF or if little Stoops came back here from Kentucky.
Also, i think its unfair to say he doesnt care at all about the defense because he actually went outside his coaching tree this yr to hire his defensive coordinator. Is he offensive minded? Yes.
With all that said, do i think Norvell is the answer....no.
Im not comparing head to head of Frost to Norvell. Im looking at what Frost did at a program that was 0-11 when he took over. Norvell is not in the same ball park as Frost.
Dont you think that is the exception and not the rule? There isn’t a lot of Urban Meyer’s out there for one.
Also we have differing opinions on Jimbo Fisher. I think he is about as overrated as it gets when it comes to a head coach. So IMO not a good example throwing his name out there but I digress. I think Jimbo is a pretty good coach but highly overrated and highly overpaid and he’s not going to be that successful at A&M.
He was 83-23 at FSU with a 29 game win streak, an undefeated season with a national title, undefeated against our rivals except UM the last yr, top 5 recruiter, at FSU he was undefeated against the SEC including in a National title game.....
Once his home life went to shit he was not the same. I dont think hes the same guy/coach. This new Jimbo is just good but he was elite for awhile.
We can agree to disagree but the ACC isn’t and wasnt any good and the rivals in UF and Miami weren’t any good during his time at FSU either.
I don’t disagree his personal life may have caused some hiccups but I think that is passed him now. He’s about to be humbled as a coach if he isn’t already. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is looking for a new job in a few years. A good solid coach but far from elite.
I think Jimbo starts getting the wins next season but with LSU now and Bama at that level it will be a tough road.
Whoaaa whoaaa whoaaa wayaminitt...Muschamp and Driskel did beat FSU. 2012 buckaroo.
Thats debatable. Memphis was dead to the world in college football. Sure Fuente kick started it. Norvell took it and ran with it.
Two years before the 0-11 season...they were 12-1 and won the Fiesta. It was some internal problem left behind by O'Leary...not a talent problem.
Ooops... He had 1 loss my bad. I try to forget that day
It was a cultural problem that Frost quickly turned around. Now schools like Miss St and UCF are not quite doing as good as before. Wonder why??
Yes Memphis was a mess. In Fuente’s last 2 years he finished 9-3 and 10-3. In 2 of the 4 years at Memphis Norvell has done worse than that and 1 year he lost 3 games. This is Norvell’s first year where he’s done better than Fuente. I don’t think this is the hire for FSU. Based on Norvell’s record/resume it isn’t exactly a hire that will create much buzz. One really good year out of four?
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Im hoping for a Benny Hill coach hiring extravaganza ending with their 9th choice a la Tennessee.
Norvell 10-2 regular season 2018 10-3 overall. Fuente's best season 10-3 2014. Only two losses in regular season in 18 were to UCF.
Scott Frost 13-0 2018. Josh Heupel 12-1. Frost beat a good Auburn team. Heupel lost to an LSU team that is nearly the same team as this year. UCF didn't fall as far as MSU. They went 9-3 with the lone ugly loss being Tulsa.
So basically Scott Frost had one good year.
Not sure what splash hire is out there other than BGB, Brian Kelly, Urban, or possibly James Franklin.
Is Brian Kelly leaving? I dont get why everyone is saying that. What did i miss
Norvell could definitely end up being good, but on paper it would be a C+ hire for a program like FSU. There are coaches within FSU's own conference that FSU could realistically get that would be better hires. Bronco Mendenhall & Dave Clawson come to mind.
Perhaps, but they have not been bad. Chad Morris, from SMU to Arkansas was bad.
Kevin Sumlin left Houston when it was still CUSA and did well at TXAM
Matt Ruhle from Temple has kicked ass at Baylor
Fuente has VTech better in his four years than the last four years under Beamer but whether he has been a massive success is still undecided
Frost had a much bigger task at Nebraska than many realized but so far he has not had much of an impact
Butch Jones did get Tennessee back to being pretty good after getting better each of his first four seasons. Then the bottom dropped out on him in 2017.
Tom Herman from Houston to Texas has had mixed results. His second year saw ten wins and an ass whipping of Georgia in the bowl, but this year they slipped some but are still basically a good team. He along with Frost will need to improve by a few games next year I suspect.
Norvell has done well at Memphis. Period. He is in complete control of the team and the attitude. They came within a FG of beating UCF in 2017 and playing in the Peach Bowl, slipped to 8-6 last season then this year are sitting at 11-1, either being a Tulsa FG away from not winning the division or a bad call away in the Temple game from being undefeated, depending on your perspective.
The ONLY wild card for FSU is whether his success can translate to recruiting a higher caliber of player consistently in order to compete with Clemson and Florida and the like constantly. Hard to imagine him sitting with 4-5 star kids and not getting enough to get a top ten class
The biggest barrier will be the filth and ignorance of Florida State and Tallahassee itself. Egad.
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Won't argue with you about Bronco. He is a badass.
Clawson...meh nothing bad but nothing special.
If you can provide a link showing ANY of the statements you claim about FSU's promise, etc that actually came from FSU, I'll be very surprised. Perhaps you mistake sports writers, sports agents, boosters ( real and imaginary) for actual FSU sources. I know Coburn and Thrasher and have been impressed at the LACK of news leaks out of Wescott.
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