My Man!!!

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So this is a natural progression. How many pubs here have said 'Oh I wish Trump acted more like Reagan! Love his policies but OMG he's so unpresidential!'

We can't go from Reagan to RINO/RINO/RINO/RINO back to Reagan.

Here's why: Because prior to Trump, if another Reagan came along we WOULDN'T BELIEVE HIM, Because all the RINOs sounded like Reagan. But they were RINOs.

We needed Trump first. Here's what will hopefully happen next. We will get MORE America First candidates like Trump, after Trump. More of them will win and be fiery like Trump.

Eventually, we will say 'Ok, we love the policies, but damn the asshole bit is getting old".

THAT is when we will start having more 'presidential' America First candidates running.

Right now, we got work to do. When the work gets done, then we can worry more about less consequential factors like demeanor.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

@grandhavendiddy just to further emphasize… Trump won running on Abortion.

Just one of the things Milei ran on…

“When you construct on the basis of an incorrect moral principle, the result is filth. How can being able to kill other human beings be a right gained? I believe in the unrestricted right to life based on the defence of life, liberty and property. I defend life, biology says that life begins with conception”

Every single time moderates have said “move to the middle” we have lost. See John Mccain, See Mitt.

Yours are good points; let's suss out each ones:

1. Abortion - Trump "ran on" just enough to appease the far right of his base which were unsure of his bonafides. He brought on Mike Pence as VP to shore up the evangelical base. Roe versus Wade was not overturned, so it was a "theory" not a removed "right" (in the eyes of the middle/the left).

Now - it's in place and everywhere it is coming up, it's a loser for Republicans. Trump, as I have said many times, is very savvy on the issue. It is not primary for him.

2. Milei - the reason why we won had nothing, respectfully, to do with Abortion. It had everything to do with 170% inflation and literally the inability to save, protect the financial futures of each citizen. Inflation (one of my main points) is so horrific, that it is eroding the state.

3. Move to the Middle - the problem with McCain is that he did it on EVERYTHING. He was terrible, uninspiring and also going up against a once in a generation candidate in Obama. Obama's policies, by the way, would be viewed as Moderate Republican in today's frame.

My point is that on KEY issues - we NEED to be unapologetically, firm: shut down the border - hard stop. Crime - hard stop. Stop inflation and unnecessary spending - hard stop. Pick 3-5 that matter and have BROAD appeal. Allow for individual choice or the states to vote, as they wish, for abortion. (9 out of 10 states will approve it).

On Abortion - the one issue we, from an electoral platform POV we disagree on the most, evangelicals are only 25% of the population.

If you want to not have an abortion - you or anyone can choose that. If there are people, Rashida Talib, for example, wants to have one, the pro-life movement, at the ballot box, wants to prevent people from having it.

Even on abortion, DeSantis, Hannity, Tate Reeves, etc. are all talking about "reasonable" point - call it 15 weeks. The question then is, is it worth losing more elections over the difference of 15 to 23 weeks?

That is the question.

In short, you can principled, but be disciplined and focus on the issues that: a) matter and b) help you win.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

The guys in Argentina nickel. Smarten up.

So to be clear - you view this all as a sham for him to make millions+ on a commodity trade? Could be true, just trying to understand.

Also, go back and acknowledge the other points.

 

[gatordad3]

 

[RussellCasse]

Yours are good points; let's suss out each ones:

1. Abortion - Trump "ran on" just enough to appease the far right of his base which were unsure of his bonafides. He brought on Mike Pence as VP to shore up the evangelical base. Roe versus Wade was not overturned, so it was a "theory" not a removed "right" (in the eyes of the middle/the left).

Now - it's in place and everywhere it is coming up, it's a loser for Republicans. Trump, as I have said many times, is very savvy on the issue. It is not primary for him.

2. Milei - the reason why we won had nothing, respectfully, to do with Abortion. It had everything to do with 170% inflation and literally the inability to save, protect the financial futures of each citizen. Inflation (one of my main points) is so horrific, that it is eroding the state.

3. Move to the Middle - the problem with McCain is that he did it on EVERYTHING. He was terrible, uninspiring and also going up against a once in a generation candidate in Obama. Obama's policies, by the way, would be viewed as Moderate Republican in today's frame.

My point is that on KEY issues - we NEED to be unapologetically, firm: shut down the border - hard stop. Crime - hard stop. Stop inflation and unnecessary spending - hard stop. Pick 3-5 that matter and have BROAD appeal. Allow for individual choice or the states to vote, as they wish, for abortion. (9 out of 10 states will approve it).

On Abortion - the one issue we, from an electoral platform POV we disagree on the most, evangelicals are only 25% of the population.

If you want to not have an abortion - you or anyone can choose that. If there are people, Rashida Talib, for example, wants to have one, the pro-life movement, at the ballot box, wants to prevent people from having it.

Even on abortion, DeSantis, Hannity, Tate Reeves, etc. are all talking about "reasonable" point - call it 15 weeks. The question then is, is it worth losing more elections over the difference of 15 to 23 weeks?

That is the question.

In short, you can principled, but be disciplined and focus on the issues that: a) matter and b) help you win.

Here is where that argument falls apart. Milei didn’t run to the center on ANYTHING and just curb stomped his opponent. Not one issue. He ran, much like Trump did in 2016.

Going to say this again until it’s clear. We arent losing because we need to move to the middle. We lost because the election in 2020 was stolen, and in 22 the Middle (Rino) politicians didn’t want America First Candidates to win.

Moving to the middle means losing for The People and us. The further we morally decay, the more the country falls apart. That’s not an opinion, that IS the Truth. Those with ears will hear that.

There is ZERO point to electing a so called politician with an R next to his name if he is going to govern like a D. That’s what got us here. That has to stop

 

[Mdfgator]

Not senile and corrupt AF (not yet at least) oh and not a pedophile ...

He is in Argentina and you’re comparing him to Biden? We don’t need more clowns here we need a leader. The pedophile thing is beneath you, be better. Trumps a con man carnival barker Biden isn’t anything more than a front for the machine. I don’t see a leader anywhere. Why? The electorate is retarded.

 

[Mdfgator]

So to be clear - you view this all as a sham for him to make millions+ on a commodity trade? Could be true, just trying to understand.

Also, go back and acknowledge the other points.

I don’t really care about what happens in Argentina I am an America first patriot. We don’t need more theatrics in our politics. We need leadership.

 

[GatorshimesDisappointingJunk]

You guys are funny. You think people who think exactly like you think for themselves. 'Sheep' are people who think differently.

Sheep are large groups of people who think the same thing.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Here is where that argument falls apart. Milei didn’t run to the center on ANYTHING and just curb stomped his opponent. Not one issue. He ran, much like Trump did in 2016.

Going to say this again until it’s clear. We arent losing because we need to move to the middle. We lost because the election in 2020 was stolen, and in 22 the Middle (Rino) politicians didn’t want America First Candidates to win.

Moving to the middle means losing for The People and us. That’s not an opinion, that IS the Truth. Those with ears will hear that. The further we morally decay, the more the country falls apart.

There is ZERO point to electing a so called politician with an R next to his name if he is going to govern like a D. That’s what got us here. That has to stop

So here's the question of the moment: Does that mean this guy's positions are extreme OR.......are they actually closer to mainstream?

I think you know the answer. The rest will wake up eventually.

 

[GatorTheo]

Sheep are large groups of people who think the same thing.

But they don't think of themselves as sheep. They think their opinions are the facts.

They think the people who disagree with them are the sheep.

 

[Mdfgator]

But they don't think of themselves as sheep. They think their opinions are the facts.

They think the people who disagree with them are the sheep.

World is 95%+ sheep. Wolves need to eat. The original and most pervasive sheep we have are the religious folks.

 

[Mdfgator]

 

[GatorshimesDisappointingJunk]

But they don't think of themselves as sheep. They think their opinions are the facts.

They think the people who disagree with them are the sheep.

That makes much more sense.

 

[gatordad3]

Unlike The Groper Joe and Bath House Barry, the new Argentinian President can handle a chainsaw.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Here is where that argument falls apart. Milei didn’t run to the center on ANYTHING and just curb stomped his opponent. Not one issue. He ran, much like Trump did in 2016.

Going to say this again until it’s clear. We arent losing because we need to move to the middle. We lost because the election in 2020 was stolen, and in 22 the Middle (Rino) politicians didn’t want America First Candidates to win.

Moving to the middle means losing for The People and us. The further we morally decay, the more the country falls apart. That’s not an opinion, that IS the Truth. Those with ears will hear that.

There is ZERO point to electing a so called politician with an R next to his name if he is going to govern like a D. That’s what got us here. That has to stop

Working backwards - I completely agree that is someone is going to govern like a D, they might as well run as a D.

My views on crime and illegal immigration are right (at least on immigration) of Trump's. As well on being fiscally conservative.

Let's also be crystal clear that the moral rot in the U.S. will not be "auto-magically" stemmed by campaigning and losing again, and again, and again (7 times) on abortion law.

My guess is that you view LGBTQ+ rights as being immoral and anti-Christian. Correct?

Abortions are completely a moot point in 99%+ of those relationships.

By the way - guess who agrees with this? Trump.


He called, on Meet the Press, the six week ban (which still has abortion) a "Terrible Mistake". I completely agree with him. And NO ONE is going to call him (maybe outside of MDF) a "R governing like a D".

On Milei, here is why he won:

Milei beat Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa by a wide margin, pulling in almost 56% of the ballot, some 14.5 million votes, as he rode a wave of anger at inflation soaring towards 150% and biting poverty at 40%.

Abortion is not even mentioned - at all. Why? When you poor and whatever savings you have is being obliterated by inflation, that is all you care about.

To put in perspective, in the U.S. inflation is at 3.2% (or thereabouts) and 11.5%. And Biden will lose an election over it.

 

[gatordad3]

 

[RussellCasse]

Working backwards - I completely agree that is someone is going to govern like a D, they might as well run as a D.

My views on crime and illegal immigration are right (at least on immigration) of Trump's. As well on being fiscally conservative.

Let's also be crystal clear that the moral rot in the U.S. will not be "auto-magically" stemmed by campaigning and losing again, and again, and again (7 times) on abortion law.

My guess is that you view LGBTQ+ rights as being immoral and anti-Christian. Correct?

Abortions are completely a moot point in 99%+ of those relationships.

By the way - guess who agrees with this? Trump.

View embedded media

He called, on Meet the Press, the six week ban (which still has abortion) a "Terrible Mistake". I completely agree with him. And NO ONE is going to call him (maybe outside of MDF) a "R governing like a D".

On Milei, here is why he won:

Milei beat Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa by a wide margin, pulling in almost 56% of the ballot, some 14.5 million votes, as he rode a wave of anger at inflation soaring towards 150% and biting poverty at 40%.

Abortion is not even mentioned - at all. Why? When you poor and whatever savings you have is being obliterated by inflation, that is all you care about.

To put in perspective, in the U.S. inflation is at 3.2% (or thereabouts) and 11.5%. And Biden will lose an election over it.

You sure do like making points that hurt your argument, don’t you?

Again, Trump won in 2016, and overturning Roe V Wade as something he ran on. What was inflation at the time? Yeah, that’s what I thought, inflation was irrelevant, and he won. Milei Ran on NOTHING moderate (leftist is what it really is, but we can call it moderate for this discussion). And the “wave of anger” wasn’t just about inflation.

Second point. What are you talking about abortion isn’t mentioned at all? By whom? Milei literally gave his stance on it. If your point is, that people didn’t care that was his stance…that’s the point. People didn’t care about Trumps stance on Abortion in 2016 either. What was inflation then?

Also, you and I both know that 3 percent inflation number is BS. Just take out all the stuff people have to buy, then figure the number based on the items people don’t need. Get real.

.The US is on a collision course with socialism just like Argentina. Folks here are having a difficult time financially as well. There’s a reason Oliver Anthony has over 90 million views writing about the dollar not being worth shit.

What are LGBTQ rights? No clue WTF that even means. Maybe I should look it up. Is that in the Bill of Rights somewhere?


7 losses: As for being crystal clear, you’re posting talking points that you actually can’t even validate. Maybe you should be more “nuanced” in evaluating why an election is lost?

So let me be crystal clear. Caving on moral values just to get an R in a position IS NOT….WINNING. This country will continue to falter until we get our house in order. If we don’t get the moral rot out, winning elections doesn’t matter.

It is time to stop caving to the left. Period. Argentina is finding that out the hard way.

But I do enjoy rehashing leftist talking points that the right must move to the left and become more centrist, if they want to win. Seems like I can recall that happening before. Like 2008, 2012…

 

[Mdfgator]

Working backwards - I completely agree that is someone is going to govern like a D, they might as well run as a D.

My views on crime and illegal immigration are right (at least on immigration) of Trump's. As well on being fiscally conservative.

Let's also be crystal clear that the moral rot in the U.S. will not be "auto-magically" stemmed by campaigning and losing again, and again, and again (7 times) on abortion law.

My guess is that you view LGBTQ+ rights as being immoral and anti-Christian. Correct?

Abortions are completely a moot point in 99%+ of those relationships.

By the way - guess who agrees with this? Trump.

View embedded media

He called, on Meet the Press, the six week ban (which still has abortion) a "Terrible Mistake". I completely agree with him. And NO ONE is going to call him (maybe outside of MDF) a "R governing like a D".

On Milei, here is why he won:

Milei beat Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa by a wide margin, pulling in almost 56% of the ballot, some 14.5 million votes, as he rode a wave of anger at inflation soaring towards 150% and biting poverty at 40%.

Abortion is not even mentioned - at all. Why? When you poor and whatever savings you have is being obliterated by inflation, that is all you care about.

To put in perspective, in the U.S. inflation is at 3.2% (or thereabouts) and 11.5%. And Biden will lose an election over it.

Trumps a raging fiscal lib, he is liberal on abortion lbgtqrsx rights and most social things. The biggest thing about trump is his only path to election is conning the thumpers. He did nothing on the border, he did nothing to reform a broken tax code, he made it worse. He did nothing about voter id, which every American behind closed doors knows is laughable that we don’t yet have one. He high stepped an easy money stock market bubble and tried to print his way to a second term. This isn’t up for debate, this is factual. He escaped an already very polarized electorate, I mean name one thing he did that was curative? Maybe the court appointments, that’s a very very maybe, we don’t need religious nuts on the court anymore than we need the social justice nuts.

 

[RussellCasse]

@grandhavendiddy

Just for a second, let’s reframe this debate.

Regardless of what you or I believe, there is one thing we know to be a fact.

The LEFT is going to use Abortion against PUBS regardless of what PUBS say or do. Agreed?

So then why cave? It’s the playbook the left has used for years. Politicize the issue to their favor even if it’s a lie. See Racism for example.

So again, why not just have someone who says…so what? Then reframes the discussion to focus on…can you put food on your table? How’s your rent going? Car payment? Grocery Bill?

Slam dunk.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The LEFT is going to use Abortion against PUBS regardless of what PUBS say or do. Agreed?

So then why cave? It’s the playbook the left has used for years. Politicize the issue to their favor even if it’s a lie. See Racism for example.

Bingo. What's different now is that people are waking up to the tactic, and it no longer works.

Remember after Roe v Wade was overturned? Media told us Blue Wave was going to be the result in the midterms. We will make them feel pain, women will strike back at the ballot box.

Remember all that?

Never happened. Then the media tried to reframe it as 'pubs were supposed to have a RED WAVE, but they blew it!'

Hilarious. For the majority of the country, abortion is settled law.

Cause it is. Diddy and the libs need to just move on.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

1. Abortion - Trump "ran on" just enough to appease the far right of his base which were unsure of his bonafides. He brought on Mike Pence as VP to shore up the evangelical base. Roe versus Wade was not overturned, so it was a "theory" not a removed "right" (in the eyes of the middle/the left).

Roe v Wade wasn't overturned? Well it's no longer the law of the land, I dunno what you call that if not overturned.

So was Casey v PP.

But here's the question I have: If abortion is hurting pubs, why isn't it helping dems? When's the last time a dem ANYWHERE had a big victory campaigning as being a hardline Pro-Death candidate?

Never happens. There's a reason why.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

@grandhavendiddy

Just for a second, let’s reframe this debate.

Regardless of what you or I believe, there is one thing we know to be a fact.

The LEFT is going to use Abortion against PUBS regardless of what PUBS say or do. Agreed?

So then why cave? It’s the playbook the left has used for years. Politicize the issue to their favor even if it’s a lie. See Racism for example.

So again, why not just have someone who says…so what? Then reframes the discussion to focus on…can you put food on your table? How’s your rent going? Car payment? Grocery Bill?

Slam dunk.

Very good post. Perhaps one of your best.

Let me think it through with you. If I am understanding you - then I agree. "So what?" Make the issue de-minimus.

Yes - the Dems certainly will. Why? It's a profound winner for the left and a loser for the right.

At the Presidential level, Trump should say, given his past on this, "each state is different in it's make up and it's view towards this issue. 40% feel very strongly about being pro-life, and we should respect them for it." If asked on the debate stage, around a federal ban, he should say, "NO, this is a state issue and belongs at the states"

As such, each state should make the decision, and the federal government, at is should with guns, mandates, etc. should let the states decide.

Now, IF the evangelical right starts to MAKE IT a KEY issue, and say, not turn out to vote, then they are, most selfishly, putting the country right back in the hands of Joe Biden.

Or - he can play his "great negotiator" card and get to a consensus. That works too. Is that a

Guess what - Trump gets it. Look at Trump's advice to Tudor Dixon who MADE abortion a key issue, did not flinch, was certainly NO moderate, and guess what, she got DESTROYED by 10.6 points by Whitmer who made lockdowns a key feature of her governorship.

Trump advised Tudor Dixon to soften her line on abortion during Michigan governor's race

The conservative media personality came under fire in the campaign for failing to say whether she would allow the procedure for rape victims.

www.politico.com

 

[RussellCasse]

Very good post. Perhaps one of your best.

Let me think it through with you. If I am understanding you - then I agree. "So what?" Make the issue de-minimus.

Yes - the Dems certainly will. Why? It's a profound winner for the left and a loser for the right.

At the Presidential level, Trump should say, given his past on this, "each state is different in it's make up and it's view towards this issue. 40% feel very strongly about being pro-life, and we should respect them for it." If asked on the debate stage, around a federal ban, he should say, "NO, this is a state issue and belongs at the states"

As such, each state should make the decision, and the federal government, at is should with guns, mandates, etc. should let the states decide.

Now, IF the evangelical right starts to MAKE IT a KEY issue, and say, not turn out to vote, then they are, most selfishly, putting the country right back in the hands of Joe Biden.

Or - he can play his "great negotiator" card and get to a consensus. That works too. Is that a

Guess what - Trump gets it. Look at Trump's advice to Tudor Dixon who MADE abortion a key issue, did not flinch, was certainly NO moderate, and guess what, she got DESTROYED by 10.6 points by Whitmer who made lockdowns a key feature of her governorship.

Trump advised Tudor Dixon to soften her line on abortion during Michigan governor's race

The conservative media personality came under fire in the campaign for failing to say whether she would allow the procedure for rape victims.

www.politico.com

Again, it’s not a profound loser for the right. It’s a profound loser for the right when they cave and run from it. When you answer it directly, and move on to other issues, it’s not THE issue. When you pussyfoot and cave it becomes THE issue.

So again, the left is going to use it whether you cave or not. The left WILL use it against whoever the candidate is. Trump ran on overturning Roe V wade and won. It can be done again.

I know you keep trying to bring up this talking point, but the facts are what they are. When the right caves we lose. America loses. When we stick to our morals and ideals, we win.

See 2016. See Milei.

YOU don’t get to cherry pick and choose when Abortion is the primary cause for election results.

You: we lost 7 races because of abortion

Also you: Trump and Milei both ran as pro life candidates. “That’s not why they won.”

Hell, Trump actually is down as the President that got us scotus to overturn Roe V wade

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Again, because I think you aren’t hearing correctly. If we don’t fix our moral issues, there is NO WINNING. That is THE TRUTH.

Your last point… Did we fix voter fraud? See again, candidates that weren’t supported by GOP or the RNC. But hey, continue to gloss over that. Why? So that when it’s done again, you can continue with the abortion nonsense narrative.

Finally…we have to stop running to media sources like Politico for references, and advisement of political issues. They have 1 job. To spin a narrative to influence political narrative. Looks like they did their job well with you. No clue why some on the right continue to fall for their nonsense, but here we are…again. Remember when the left went to conservative Tree house to defend their stance? Yeah, me neither.

The Litmus test when sourcing for political advisement..Does Politico want someone on the right to win? Then why are they giving politically influential advise? 🤔

 

[RussellCasse]

Bingo. What's different now is that people are waking up to the tactic, and it no longer works.

Remember after Roe v Wade was overturned? Media told us Blue Wave was going to be the result in the midterms. We will make them feel pain, women will strike back at the ballot box.

Remember all that?

Never happened. Then the media tried to reframe it as 'pubs were supposed to have a RED WAVE, but they blew it!'

Hilarious. For the majority of the country, abortion is settled law.

Cause it is. Diddy and the libs need to just move on.

The hell of it? Diddy and others fell for the Red wave nonsense. It was never going to happen. Why? Because math.

There werent enough races to swing a red wave. All one has to do is go look at the number of senate seats that were possible flips. Then do the same for House seats. Then look at historical precedent.

It’s like a broken record with “moderates”. Where was the “nuance” in working through that and using some logic? SMDH.

 

[gatordad3]

The hell of it? Diddy and others fell for the Red wave nonsense. It was never going to happen. Why? Because math.

There werent enough races to swing a red wave. All one has to do is go look at the number of senate seats that were possible flips. Then do the same for House seats. Then look at historical precedent.

It’s like a broken record with “moderates”. Where was the “nuance” in working through that and using some logic? SMDH.

And the fat Ronna Romney being a Fuch up.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Again, it’s not a profound loser for the right. It’s a profound loser for the right when they cave and run from it. When you answer it directly, and move on to other issues, it’s not THE issue. When you pussyfoot and cave it becomes THE issue.

Bingo. The right should NEVER let the left EVER dictate terms for a political, moral or domestic debate.

What moral high ground does the left hold over the right in 2023?

You've got @Mdfgator blindly defending perverts while blindly attacking Christians.

You've got @GatorTheo blindly defending criminals while blindly attacking law-abiding gun owners.

You've got @Illegal-shift blindly defending Biden for taking millions in bribes from our enemies, while blindly claiming Trump is doing the same.

We should NEVER cave to these fools. If anything, we should be putting our foot down about how the left is the party that defends perverts, criminals and traitors, while the right is the party that defends God, America, and patriots.

Because that's the truth. The only time the right loses is when we run from that truth.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

And the fat Ronna Romney being a Fuch up.

She's not, tho. She's doing exactly what her bosses tell her to do.

We are the fvck ups if we can't see that her job isn't to help America First candidates. Her job is to shepherd pub candidates that can be controlled by the uniparty.

 

[GatorTheo]

Bingo. The right should NEVER let the left EVER dictate terms for a political, moral or domestic debate.

What moral high ground does the left hold over the right in 2023?

You've got @Mdfgator blindly defending perverts while blindly attacking Christians.

You've got @GatorTheo blindly defending criminals while blindly attacking law-abiding gun owners.

You've got @Illegal-shift blindly defending Biden for taking millions in bribes from our enemies, while blindly claiming Trump is doing the same.

We should NEVER cave to these fools. If anything, we should be putting our foot down about how the left is the party that defends perverts, criminals and traitors, while the right is the party that defends God, America, and patriots.

Because that's the truth. The only time the right loses is when we run from that truth.

I was thinking just the other day, if we could put all criminals and gun nuts on the slow boat to China, the rest of us could live in peace.

 

[NavigatorII]

The guys in Argentina nickel. Smarten up.

What's your point Half Nickel? Great hunting there and awesome beefsteaks. 😂

 

[gatordad3]

 

[goldmom]

And the fat Ronna Romney being a Fuch up.

Is she fatter than the Tumescent Trumpster?

 

[gatordad3]

Is she fatter than the Tumescent Trumpster?

Right about now she is.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Right about now she is.

Wait...is @goldmom actually rushing to RINO Romney's defense?

Stunning.

 

[gatordad3]

Wait...is @goldmom actually rushing to RINO Romney's defense?

Stunning.

My exact thoughts

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

My exact thoughts

But remember, we only call her a RINO cause we are sheep. It has nothing to do with her throwing herself into oncoming traffic to save a RINO every chance she gets.

 

[goldmom]

My exact thoughts

I’m just saying that ole Ronna ain’t the only fatty around so you open up criticism to more than just one person.
I mean I doubt seriously that GOMM has a physique that make any of us envious.
And with Thanksgiving coming up I bet none of you guys are sticking to the veggie plates either.

 

[goldmom]

Wait...is @goldmom actually rushing to RINO Romney's defense?

Stunning.

You’re really going to keep running your sexist mouth?
Only women are overweight? Okay, porkster.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Again, it’s not a profound loser for the right. It’s a profound loser for the right when they cave and run from it. When you answer it directly, and move on to other issues, it’s not THE issue. When you pussyfoot and cave it becomes THE issue.

So again, the left is going to use it whether you cave or not. The left WILL use it against whoever the candidate is. Trump ran on overturning Roe V wade and won. It can be done again.

I know you keep trying to bring up this talking point, but the facts are what they are. When the right caves we lose. America loses. When we stick to our morals and ideals, we win.

See 2016. See Milei.

YOU don’t get to cherry pick and choose when Abortion is the primary cause for election results.

You: we lost 7 races because of abortion

Also you: Trump and Milei both ran as pro life candidates. “That’s not why they won.”

Hell, Trump actually is down as the President that got us scotus to overturn Roe V wade

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Again, because I think you aren’t hearing correctly. If we don’t fix our moral issues, there is NO WINNING. That is THE TRUTH.

Your last point… Did we fix voter fraud? See again, candidates that weren’t supported by GOP or the RNC. But hey, continue to gloss over that. Why? So that when it’s done again, you can continue with the abortion nonsense narrative.

Finally…we have to stop running to media sources like Politico for references, and advisement of political issues. They have 1 job. To spin a narrative to influence political narrative. Looks like they did their job well with you. No clue why some on the right continue to fall for their nonsense, but here we are…again. Remember when the left went to conservative Tree house to defend their stance? Yeah, me neither.

The Litmus test when sourcing for political advisement..Does Politico want someone on the right to win? Then why are they giving politically influential advise? 🤔

Again - it is. It's like saying that Napier is not going 5-7. He is. 7 elections; 7 lost.

Again, it’s not a profound loser for the right. It’s a profound loser for the right when they cave and run from it. When you answer it directly, and move on to other issues, it’s not THE issue. When you pussyfoot and cave it becomes THE issue.

So again, the left is going to use it whether you cave or not. The left WILL use it against whoever the candidate is. Trump ran on overturning Roe V wade and won. It can be done again.

I know you keep trying to bring up this talking point, but the facts are what they are. When the right caves we lose. America loses. When we stick to our morals and ideals, we win.

See 2016. See Milei.

YOU don’t get to cherry pick and choose when Abortion is the primary cause for election results.

You: we lost 7 races because of abortion

Also you: Trump and Milei both ran as pro life candidates. “That’s not why they won.”

Hell, Trump actually is down as the President that got us scotus to overturn Roe V wade

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Again, because I think you aren’t hearing correctly. If we don’t fix our moral issues, there is NO WINNING. That is THE TRUTH.

Your last point… Did we fix voter fraud? See again, candidates that weren’t supported by GOP or the RNC. But hey, continue to gloss over that. Why? So that when it’s done again, you can continue with the abortion nonsense narrative.

Finally…we have to stop running to media sources like Politico for references, and advisement of political issues. They have 1 job. To spin a narrative to influence political narrative. Looks like they did their job well with you. No clue why some on the right continue to fall for their nonsense, but here we are…again. Remember when the left went to conservative Tree house to defend their stance? Yeah, me neither.

The Litmus test when sourcing for political advisement..Does Politico want someone on the right to win? Then why are they giving politically influential advise? 🤔

It is a profound loser for the right. 7 states, where it was directly on the ballet - losses. Wisconsin supreme court - loss, by the way key to a redistricting fight that could cost republicans that state. Michigan governorship - loss. 2022 Senate races: Herschel, Arizona, losses. It goes on and on and on and on and on.

The facts are what they are which is why Democrats ,who otherwise would GET BLASTED INTO OBLIVION keep winning and keep making it a massive issue.

Trump gets it. Matt Gaetz gets it.



See Matt at 1:00 - he talks precisely to what needs to happen in swing districts. "You have members in swing districts who need to refine their thinking".

People run on a range of issues. The question is whether THAT is one of the top 3-5 issues why THAT person won. For Trump - nope. For Millei - nope. People did not overthrow a socialist over abortion - they did it over poverty and inflation. It happened that a libertarian (so I am not sure how this is squaring).

LIsten - I too don't really care about abortion. I just REFUSE TO LOSE BASED ON IT ANYMORE. It's ridiculous.

It's like Billy Napier continuing to run an off-tackle play because "we have to establish the run" because "it's part of our 'core identity'" and then having a losing record.

Politico was not the core media source. It was Sunday Morning Futures with Maria B. (a right leaning show) who interviewed Tudor Dixon, who was NO moderate on abortion and got crushed. It also referenced Trump on Meet the Press. Listen, I do not care about Politico's opinion piece, but when they cite an interview that we can independently see, then it is just them passing along facts and events.

On Voting Fraud - the laws have tightened. I am all for it. For Fraud in the 2020 election, everyone on this board was touting Sidney Powell and the "Kracken" and in the end, she pleaded guilty. Fox news settled for almost a Billion dollars. Tucker left Fox. If they had evidence, like it is CLEAR with Hunter Biden or the Twitter Files or Russian fraud, then NO ONE is backing down. Here they are.

At what point, and perhaps to MDF's point, to you "wake up", see the clear results that are happening and say, "hey, I am going to keep to more core principles, focus on border, inflation and crime" and realize that Abortion is truly a loser issue and not always try to explain away the patently obvious.

I try to "walk that talk". For me, I saw the results on DeSantis and Tim Scott. I was all for them...the results came in, from MSNBC to CNN to Fox to the polls and realized, "yeah, they are not effective and should not lead the party". I did not try to explain away, etc.

I will leave it to you to make whatever decision you wish to make.

Have a great Thanksgiving with friends and family.

 

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Again - it is. It's like saying that Napier is not going 5-7. He is. 7 elections; 7 lost.

Not so fast my friend........there is still a game to be played

 

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Wait...is @goldmom actually rushing to RINO Romney's defense?

Stunning.

You missed the slurpers rushing in to defend trump. POT. KETTLE.