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Did he charge more than he would a normal guest for an equivalent room?

Five times the government rate is meaningless. The government is notoriously cheap about per diem.

If he didn't charge more than a normal person then he's a greedy bastard, which we knew.

Now, if charging more than the government rate is illegal, throw the book at him. They got Capone for tax evasion when nothing else worked.
Ok.

First, it's a conflict of interest to stay at your own hotel so you can make a profit. It's not an arms length transaction. Ethically sketchy.

Second, the Emoluments clause says the president is only allowed to earn his salary and nothing else from the federal government (and nothing from other governments). So he broke the law there. I know Republicans will respond that those charges were thrown out, and they were, but only because he had lost the election and the Supreme Court said therefore the point was moot.

Third, the most expensive hotel in the Trump chain (Central Park) charges less than $600 for a room today, and the Waldorf Astoria in Washington, which used to be a Trump hotel, charges $650, and we all know how much prices have risen the last few years. Imagine what it was in 2017. And Trump was charging over $1,100 per room. (Mar-a-lago is a private club, so "room rates" are a bit less obtainable.)

Fourth, I don't think you understand the federal per diem rate. It's not how much the government will pay to the hotel, it's how much the government will reimburse the employee, who is on the hook for the bill. But since those secret service agents couldn't afford to drop hundreds of dollars a night of their own money, they had to write excuses (lies?) on their travel forms to justify the extra costs and get 100% federal reimbursement (because the federal rate can be overridden for certain specific reasons, such as a lack of available hotel rooms in the area at the government rate).
 
Ok.

First, it's a conflict of interest to stay at your own hotel so you can make a profit. It's not an arms length transaction. Ethically sketchy.

Second, the Emoluments clause says the president is only allowed to earn his salary and nothing else from the federal government (and nothing from other governments). So he broke the law there. I know Republicans will respond that those charges were thrown out, and they were, but only because he had lost the election and the Supreme Court said therefore the point was moot.

Third, the most expensive hotel in the Trump chain (Central Park) charges less than $600 for a room today, and the Waldorf Astoria in Washington, which used to be a Trump hotel, charges $650, and we all know how much prices have risen the last few years. Imagine what it was in 2017. And Trump was charging over $1,100 per room. (Mar-a-lago is a private club, so "room rates" are a bit less obtainable.)

Fourth, I don't think you understand the federal per diem rate. It's not how much the government will pay to the hotel, it's how much the government will reimburse the employee, who is on the hook for the bill. But since those secret service agents couldn't afford to drop hundreds of dollars a night of their own money, they had to write excuses (lies?) on their travel forms to justify the extra costs and get 100% federal reimbursement (because the federal rate can be overridden for certain specific reasons, such as a lack of available hotel rooms in the area at the government rate).
Being a former government employee I'm intimately familiar with per diem.

I did not, however, know they were lying to cover.

Yeah, that's horseshit, and I hereby declare shenanigans.
 
Being a former government employee I'm intimately familiar with per diem.

I did not, however, know they were lying to cover.

Yeah, that's horseshit, and I hereby declare shenanigans.
Well, the report stated that one put on his travel form that there were no hotels in the area at governmental rate, but that's obviously not true. Mind you, there are no LUXURY hotels under the government rate, but Days Inns and Best Westerns are everywhere.

BTW, the reason I put lies? with a question mark was that I was raising the possibility, not making an accusation. And if you are familiar with per diem, then you understand that the agents were on the hook for the difference, which they could not afford, and so would be "motivated" to get the exception using whatever means necessary. And whether they lied or not isn't relevant, what is relevant is that Trump put them in that position in order to line his own pockets.
 
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Well, the report stated that one put on his travel form that there were no hotels in the area at governmental rate, but that's obviously not true. Mind you, there are no LUXURY hotels under the government rate, but Days Inns and Best Westerns are everywhere.

BTW, the reason I put lies? with a question mark was that I was raising the possibility, not making an accusation. And if you are familiar with per diem, then you understand that the agents were on the hook for the difference, which they could not afford, and so would be "motivated" to get the exception using whatever means necessary. And whether they lied or not isn't relevant, what is relevant is that Trump put them in that position in order to line his own pockets.
Well based on the information in part 2 of your post that's clear.

I'm obviously not a secret service agent but regardless of what city I traveled to, my per diem was the same. If the ss is the same then that means some times they're paying for their own food and part of their room.

You can't very well guard POTUS at a fancy hotel and not stay there, especially since even when you aren't on duty, you're still on duty.
 
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Well based on the information in part 2 of your post that's clear.

I'm obviously not a secret service agent but regardless of what city I traveled to, my per diem was the same. If the ss is the same then that means some times they're paying for their own food and part of their room.

You can't very well guard POTUS at a fancy hotel and not stay there, especially since even when you aren't on duty, you're still on duty.
This would be getting beyond my knowledge and into speculation, but I would not be surprised if most hotels honored the GSA rate when the president stayed there.

Even if not, the prez has a full security detail across all 24 hours, the guys on duty don't need hotel rooms, they are in the hallway, the lobby, around the building, etc. while the Prez sleeps. It's the daytime detail that needs rooms, and they could be offsite.

As for the per diem rules, things changed a while ago. Rates are now regional, and have been for a decade or more.

https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
 
This would be getting beyond my knowledge and into speculation, but I would not be surprised if most hotels honored the GSA rate when the president stayed there.

Even if not, the prez has a full security detail across all 24 hours, the guys on duty don't need hotel rooms, they are in the hallway, the lobby, around the building, etc. while the Prez sleeps. It's the daytime detail that needs rooms, and they could be offsite.

As for the per diem rules, things changed a while ago. Rates are now regional, and have been for a decade or more.

https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
I haven't worked for my uncle Samuel since ought six.

Union per diem is much more generous.
 
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In his second term, things will improve, as they typically do under a two term Democrat, as it takes a good 3 years to undo the damage done by Republicans. Unlike two term Republicans, who start out great, riding the coattails of their Democratic predecessor before their second term goes to sh*t. Do you know why elder Bush was a one term president? Because he inherited the mess left by Reagan.
So I take it your answer is NOTHING? Please come back and let me know if I read this correctly? You are TRYING to be like Nostradamus and predict the future? Well let ME let YOU in on something. Brandon WILL not be the democrats' nominee. I think DEMORATS will make sure of this. SECONDLY...you DO NOT get re elected when you RUIN everything after entering office. Afghanistan? Border? Inflation? Rates? Bank failures? Supply chain? Ukraine? Even you idiot leties can figure out he cannot win, and most of you idiots do not want for him to run!! LOLOL You ARE aware of this, son?
 
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So I take it your answer is NOTHING? Please come back and let me know if I read this correctly? You are TRYING to be like Nostradamus and predict the future? Well let ME let YOU in on something. Brandon WILL not be the democrats' nominee. I think DEMORATS will make sure of this. SECONDLY...you DO NOT get re elected when you RUIN everything after entering office. Afghanistan? Border? Inflation? Rates? Bank failures? Supply chain? Ukraine? Even you idiot leties can figure out he cannot win, and most of you idiots do not want for him to run!! LOLOL You ARE aware of this, son?
Biden can win. I recommend Rigged by Molly Hemingway and the film documentary 2000 Mules. Trump set an incumbent record upping his vote total from 63 million to 74 million. Somebody likes Trump no matter what MSM and the slow tries to convince the thinking.
 
Another attorney punished for lying about election fraud to Trumps gullible followers. No one in particular (see above)


Jenna Ellis, an attorney who once described herself as part of an elite strike force representing former President Donald Trump, was formally disciplined by a judge after admitting to falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump.
 
Another attorney punished for lying about election fraud to Trumps gullible followers. No one in particular (see above)


Jenna Ellis, an attorney who once described herself as part of an elite strike force representing former President Donald Trump, was formally disciplined by a judge after admitting to falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump.
Those are two different links you know.
 
So I take it your answer is NOTHING? Please come back and let me know if I read this correctly? You are TRYING to be like Nostradamus and predict the future? Well let ME let YOU in on something. Brandon WILL not be the democrats' nominee. I think DEMORATS will make sure of this. SECONDLY...you DO NOT get re elected when you RUIN everything after entering office. Afghanistan? Border? Inflation? Rates? Bank failures? Supply chain? Ukraine? Even you idiot leties can figure out he cannot win, and most of you idiots do not want for him to run!! LOLOL You ARE aware of this, son?
Wait, wut???? @LizardGrad89 is claiming Hiden ruining America is TRUMP'S fault? LMAO! Hiden has to fix the mess TRUMP left him?

Really? Then why did obama say THIS about what Trump did?





LOL! obama literally said TRUMP CAN'T DO THAT, then when Trump did it, obama tried to claim HE did it!

Then @LizardGrad89 comes behind him and claims Trump left behind a mess. But obama claims Trump didn't do that, he did.

So @LizardGrad89 is claiming that obama left behind a mess for the next guy to clean up. He finally told the truth.
 
Biden can win. I recommend Rigged by Molly Hemingway and the film documentary 2000 Mules. Trump set an incumbent record upping his vote total from 63 million to 74 million. Somebody likes Trump no matter what MSM and the slow tries to convince the thinking.
I am not sure he will be the party's nominee yet. Just like they moved Bernie out of the way....same can happen to this dunce. I understand all the cheating. I am 100% certain the election was stolen. But thee is a reason Brandon will not come out and say he is running...and Jill IS coming out. I think his own party is asking him NOT to run. They can jump on this China money stuff and end him overnight.
 
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Wait, wut???? @LizardGrad89 is claiming Hiden ruining America is TRUMP'S fault? LMAO! Hiden has to fix the mess TRUMP left him?

Really? Then why did obama say THIS about what Trump did?





LOL! obama literally said TRUMP CAN'T DO THAT, then when Trump did it, obama tried to claim HE did it!

Then @LizardGrad89 comes behind him and claims Trump left behind a mess. But obama claims Trump didn't do that, he did.


So @LizardGrad89 is claiming that obama left behind a mess for the next guy to clean up. He finally told the truth.
Just remember...EVERY lib is a lying RAT. Worthless, un American GARBAGE. EVERY. ONE.
 
Wait, wut???? @LizardGrad89 is claiming Hiden ruining America is TRUMP'S fault? LMAO! Hiden has to fix the mess TRUMP left him?

Really? Then why did obama say THIS about what Trump did?





LOL! obama literally said TRUMP CAN'T DO THAT, then when Trump did it, obama tried to claim HE did it!

Then @LizardGrad89 comes behind him and claims Trump left behind a mess. But obama claims Trump didn't do that, he did.

So @LizardGrad89 is claiming that obama left behind a mess for the next guy to clean up. He finally told the truth.
LoopyLizard forgot that Trump had the magic wand Obama said he didn't. I almost forgot.

Remember when Obozo snarked, "Well, Trump said I'm the worst President ever. That's something he'll never be". 😂 😂 😂

Guess who got the final mic drop??? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

 
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LoopyLizard forgot that Trump had the magic wand Obama said he didn't. I almost forgot.

Remember when Obozo snarked, "Well, Trump said I'm the worst President ever. That's something he'll never be". 😂 😂 😂

Guess who got the final mic drop??? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Id forgotten what a dumbass obama was. Remember when he thought there were 57 states?
 
So I take it your answer is NOTHING? Please come back and let me know if I read this correctly? You are TRYING to be like Nostradamus and predict the future? Well let ME let YOU in on something. Brandon WILL not be the democrats' nominee. I think DEMORATS will make sure of this. SECONDLY...you DO NOT get re elected when you RUIN everything after entering office. Afghanistan? Border? Inflation? Rates? Bank failures? Supply chain? Ukraine? Even you idiot leties can figure out he cannot win, and most of you idiots do not want for him to run!! LOLOL You ARE aware of this, son?
Inheriting the disaster left by Trump is not "ruining everything". Use your head for more than a hatrack for 5 seconds.

I could explain all those things to you as a result of either Trump or the aftermath of COVID, but I have learned that you don't care about anything other than your agenda (or that you can't understand the reasoning, that's also possible), so why should I bother?

Biden will be the nominee unless he chooses not to run.

And I don't know how old you are, but you better be well into Social Security if you are going to call a 57 year old "son".
 
LoopyLizard forgot that Trump had the magic wand Obama said he didn't. I almost forgot.

Remember when Obozo snarked, "Well, Trump said I'm the worst President ever. That's something he'll never be". 😂 😂 😂

Guess who got the final mic drop??? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Trump thinks he has a magic wand, but the ladies disagree.

I LOL at how you think Trump could get a mic drop when Obama was holding the mic. And that you are incapable of understanding sarcasm.

You embarrass the entire accounting profession just by existing.
 
Inheriting the disaster left by Trump is not "ruining everything". Use your head for more than a hatrack for 5 seconds.

I could explain all those things to you as a result of either Trump or the aftermath of COVID, but I have learned that you don't care about anything other than your agenda (or that you can't understand the reasoning, that's also possible), so why should I bother?

Biden will be the nominee unless he chooses not to run.

And I don't know how old you are, but you better be well into Social Security if you are going to call a 57 year old "son".
So you can't answer @Capt Ron 1's question. Got it.
 
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Id forgotten what a dumbass obama was. Remember when he thought there were 57 states?
57 states and territories.

50 states
Washington DC
American Samoa.
Guam.
Northern Mariana Islands.
Puerto Rico.
United States Virgin Islands.
Minor Outlying Islands (taken as a group)

I have not forgotten what a dumbass you are.
 
57 states and territories.

50 states
Washington DC
American Samoa.
Guam.
Northern Mariana Islands.
Puerto Rico.
United States Virgin Islands.
Minor Outlying Islands (taken as a group)

I have not forgotten what a dumbass you are.

"May 9 - On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama mistakenly tells a crowd that's he's been to 57 states - with one left to go."

Ears thought there were 58 states????? Damn he's an even bigger dumbass than we realized.
 
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57 states and territories.

50 states
Washington DC
American Samoa.
Guam.
Northern Mariana Islands.
Puerto Rico.
United States Virgin Islands.
Minor Outlying Islands (taken as a group)

I have not forgotten what a dumbass you are.
I am literally dumbfounded that you know that, I know two people IRL that know that and one of them has an eidetic memory.

But let's be real, and call me cynical but I don't think that the president knew that. I think he was tired.

And I'll bet there hasn't been a President since Kennedy that knew them all off the top of his head.

And since most Americans don't know that either, I rather doubt he'd toss that out there intentionally without a follow up explanation if he did.
 
I am literally dumbfounded that you know that, I know two people IRL that know that and one of them has an eidetic memory.

But let's be real, and call me cynical but I don't think that the president knew that. I think he was tired.

And I'll bet there hasn't been a President since Kennedy that knew them all off the top of his head.

And since most Americans don't know that either, I rather doubt he'd toss that out there intentionally without a follow up explanation if he did.
I have known for a long time the 57, but, full disclosure, I didn't remember them all off the top of my head and had to look it up.

And maybe he would have explained, maybe not, he went to Harvard Law, those guys can be dicks.
 
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