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this story will likely blow over in a month, then it'll be like it never happened…. the media selects what it wants to be "news" and for how long? objectivity and true journalism are entirely gone from sports media…. as it has in world/national media. Very, very powerful tool….. just ask Joseph Goebbels. Its become a very strange world, indeed.
Murder no...shooting yes.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...e-2007-gainesville-shooting-according-sources
Laugh now gators but you'll be crying very soon when this same thing happen to you, and it will. Clearly there is an issue with this whole Title IX procedure at many schools. If you miss one step, even unintentionally, Title IX lawyers will pounce on you and you will have to settle. FSU had to settle because the proper people didn't notify the proper people and once Erica got her high powered Title IX lawyers involved, it was over. Look around and see where this is headed. Schools should not be investigating sex assault allegations. That is for law enforcement. Until they change, your time is coming too. Sooner rather than later.
Once again, I am puzzled why you FSU guys connect the Title IX rape stuff going on some campuses these days with the above mentioned UT incident and the Winston incident.
The problem with what is going on campuses right now are more along the lines that the accused are not getting due process while they are investigated, suspended or handed some other kinds of punishments. I agree with your points about that. Law enforcement needs to be able to do their job while the university officials investigate Title IX issues. Both have to be done and both the accused and accuser need and are entitled to due process.
However, that is not what has been happening with college athletes. At least at some universities. Are you guys seriously contending that the UT athletes involved in these incidents were denied due process, both legally and from a Title IX perspective during the investigations and punishment? The same with FSU and Winston? I do not think so.
If anything, in both cases university officials bent over backwards to give the athletes the benefit of the doubt. That was the basis of the settlement in the Winston case and seem to be the basis for the UT complaint. The charges against FSU said Title IX investigations were NOT undertaken in a timely fashion. FSU had to pay nearly a million dollars to settle that case.
The two sets of circumstances do not seem to remotely close.
And please, do NOT say "hey, it is going to happen to you guys." That is pure bullshit, as we just had a rape allegation against a UF athlete that WAS investigated by the police and WAS investigated from a Title IX perspective. All a university has to do is to undergo timely Title IX process when allegations are made. UF did that. FSU and UT did not.
There are many reasons it sucks to be a FSU fan, and this is just one of them.
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You're talking about the Treon Harris case, you have no idea how many women have accused students of sexual assault and Title IX was followed properly. Of course the Treon case was different because it was during the whole Jameis Winston situation so schools were very careful. What about all of the other allegations against regular students?? Were they investigated properly per Title IX?? We'll know once you're sued. This is now the new normal.
"Hey, UF *might* not have conducted Title IX investigations after a rape allegation!"
Is that seriously your argument?
"Hey, FSU messed up royally. That is why UF did not!"
Is that seriously your argument?
"Hey, FSU got sued, so UF *might* get sued!"
Is that...well never mind
Damn fella, you give a whole new meaning to strawman arguments.
Not an argument at all, just an observation. Lawyers are greedy and they see this is a very easy way to shake a school down. One step missed and they got you. Taking candy from a baby.l
So, by this are implying that the whole FSU non-compliance was merely a shakedown by lawyers? That the case had no merit?
Or are you talking about something else?
Listen, once the police were notified, they should do all of the investigating. The way Title IX is set up right now benefits the lawyers greatly. Like I said, one missed step of any kind and you lose. FSU or any school administration should not have to be investigating sex assault complaints. They don't know what the hell they are doing and I'm sure most don't follow Title IX by the book. That's where the lawyers come in.
Find out what? It is just your opinion that FSU settled because they were guilty. A more thoughtful idea is that if FSU WAS guilty it never would have gone to trial and they would have paid up front. The other fact is that Kinsman agreed to the settlement the day before her deposition under OATH. Funny that. Oh, just a coinky dink.
You do know that the Feds still have an ongoing investigation at FSU regarding Title 9 violations, let's see how that one comes out.
Oh Dear
You can argue that until you are blue in the face. But that is not the way the rules read. FSU was obligated to conduct a timely investigation. They did not. They were either ignorant or willingly not compliant.
Since it is FSU, I am going to argue both
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Can't wait to read the spin when the Title IX folks knock on your orange and blue glass door.
Let us know when your crystal ball gives you a date. Until then, let's can the speculation.
What did peyton do the last 6 months? He got hit with an HGH allegation then started looking like dallas buyers club body, then wins his second Super Bowl and now he's nuts on face guy from 19 years ago. Is he too christian or something with too much good inlfuence? He's being treated like Kat Williams from the illuminati style and Tebow combined... wtf
At least we've got one nole that admits to a cover up....kudos to you sir!
When the media decides to take someone down (deserving or not), they go all in. Heck, Peyton's getting more coverage than Cosby.
It may be getting worse for Tennessee football:
Former University of Tenn. football player faces child sex charges
Former University of Tenn. football player faces child sex charges
Now that Tennessee is in the crosshairs, I expect to see/hear more and more and more...that's how these things work.It may be getting worse for Tennessee football:
Former University of Tenn. football player faces child sex charges
I also expect to see Manning tied to this as well. "Had UT done more in Manning case, this type of assault wouldn't have happened...etc...etc."
Let the record show that sadgator redirected the thread to FSU on Feb 10, 2016. This hijack was continued by GatorTheo in a subsequent post and ultimately became a continued theme with RentechCEO and various UF posters.
To RentechCEO's underlying point, as of last month, 160 similar Title IX cases were open at schools across the country. That's up from 55 in May 2014. FSU and UF are not unique. (sadly)
ahem....
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https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/notice-to-all-rival-posters-change-in-management.5846/
"This is a Gator board, and if you are a rival, it would be best if you kept that in mind. If you are here to needle or bait, or post catchy memes, it is likely your stay will be short. There is no "you started it" defense. There is no "but you were talking about my team, so I just jumped in" defense. Govern yourselves accordingly."
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/notice-to-all-rival-posters-change-in-management.5846/
Just so I'm understanding this correctly, most of this thread is about a case that came out in the fall of 2013, right?
So, in the 26 months since then, it's still being talked about? Let's put this in perspective.
When this became news, the state of the world was thus:
- Winston hadn't won a Heisman
-FSU hadn't won a national title in 14 years
-Urban Meyer hadn't won at OSU yet
-The BCS existed.
-Florida had yet to lose to Vandy and Georgia Southern
-Obama was less than a year into his second term
-Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush were the presumed clear-cut nominees for 2016
-Lovie Smith was out of work (okay that's still the same)
-ISIS had only existed for several months
-Pope Francis had been coronated only a few months before
-Donald Trump was still a reality TV star
-Fireball had only recently hit the scene
-Charlie Sheen was crazy and hiding his AIDs
-Johnny Manziel had hopes of being a franchise QB when he entered the draft the next spring
-And Danny was enjoying some the undeniably drunk eat times of his life chasing college tail at the age of 25
So, in the 26 months since then, it's still being talked about? Let's put this in perspective.
When this became news, the state of the world was thus:
- Winston hadn't won a Heisman
-FSU hadn't won a national title in 14 years
-Urban Meyer hadn't won at OSU yet
-The BCS existed.
-Florida had yet to lose to Vandy and Georgia Southern
-Obama was less than a year into his second term
-Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush were the presumed clear-cut nominees for 2016
-Lovie Smith was out of work (okay that's still the same)
-ISIS had only existed for several months
-Pope Francis had been coronated only a few months before
-Donald Trump was still a reality TV star
-Fireball had only recently hit the scene
-Charlie Sheen was crazy and hiding his AIDs
-Johnny Manziel had hopes of being a franchise QB when he entered the draft the next spring
-And Danny was enjoying some the undeniably drunk eat times of his life chasing college tail at the age of 25
Amazing, so the whole cover up according to dottie and her simpletons was a shakedown by lawyers.
GO Canes!
Amazing, so the whole cover up according to dottie and her simpletons was a shakedown by lawyers.
GO Canes!
Why did canesport shut their shitty football board down??
Lack of traffic and very few literate posters will do that to a board. Canesport was full of a bunch of lowlife profanity spewing fools, like you and your boy toy. Good riddance
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