Meanwhile in Knoxville

[MJWilliamson]

http://www.tennessea...st-ut/79966450/

Sweeping sex assault suit filed against University of Tennessee - The Tennessean

Six women filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday claiming the University of Tennessee has created a student culture that enables sexual assaults by student-athletes, especially football players, and then uses an unusual, legalistic adjudication process that is biased against victims who step forward.

The lawsuit, filed by plaintiffs identified only as "Jane Does," accuses five Tennessee athletes of sexual assault. They are former basketball player Yemi Makanjuola, former football players A.J. Johnson, Michael Williams and Riyahd Jones and a current football player named as a "John Doe."

The lawsuit also details an incident involving a female student who says she was sexually assaulted by a nonathlete, who was named a John Doe. The alleged assault took place after attending a football team party at Vol Hall, a campus dorm where she was served drinks by former UT player Treyvon Paulk, the lawsuit says.

 

[Countygator]

Welp, we shall see how this one plays out....

 

[sadgator]

At the University of Tennessee Administrative Executive Board meeting this morning....

"Ok gentlemen, the time has come. We need to bring in the rape experts. Which one of you is closest with the administrators at FSU?"

 

[alaskanseminole]

At the University of Tennessee Administrative Executive Board meeting this morning....

"Ok gentlemen, the time has come. We need to bring in the rape experts. Which one of you is closest with the administrators at FSU?"

That didn't take long.

 

[GatorTheo]

At the University of Tennessee Administrative Executive Board meeting this morning....

"Ok gentlemen, the time has come. We need to bring in the rape experts. Which one of you is closest with the administrators at FSU?"

Isn't Dave Hart already there? He's probably in negotiations with Knoxville Police as we speak.

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

Come on Sportcenter & talk radio, don't let me down.

 

[hardliner]

At the University of Tennessee Administrative Executive Board meeting this morning....

"Ok gentlemen, the time has come. We need to bring in the rape experts. Which one of you is closest with the administrators at FSU?"

Obviously we aren't that good at it. The real experts are places like Baylor who avoid the spotlight with actual serial rapists playing for them.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Obviously we aren't that good at it. The real experts are places like Baylor who avoid the spotlight with actual serial rapists playing for them.

Ya, I was quite shocked at the complete lack of care/emphasis/spot-light on that one...even out here in Texas. Nothing.

 

[TheMac03]

Obviously we aren't that good at it. The real experts are places like Baylor who avoid the spotlight with actual serial rapists playing for them.

Nice deflection.

 

[PacoGator19]

Butch Jones could be in some trouble here as well.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I doubt it.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Nice deflection.

All RRT members are well trained in this art.

 

[goldmom]

Igloo found my picture!

 

[MJWilliamson]

Two of the student-athletes named in the lawsuit — Johnson and Makanjuola — were publicly praised by UT coaches and administrators while they remained on their teams, graduated or transferred, even as those officials were aware that sexual assault allegations had been made against the players.

 

[MJWilliamson]

University of Tennessee football players confronted and assaulted wide receiver Drae Bowles as retribution for helping a woman who said she was raped by then-Volunteer players A.J. Johnson and Mike Williams, according to a federal lawsuit filed in Nashville on Tuesday.

 

[RentechCEO]

Title IX has become a train wreck. The suit also states that the accused are allowed to have attorneys. The horror!

This is a real gravy train for lawyers coming to a location near you soon. However, the lack of due process that many of these "activists" want will backfire in their faces.

It has already started. http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/w...ts-at-universities-after-campus-rape-rulings/

The shame is that the problem needs to be addressed but not at the expense of due process.

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

All RRT members are well trained in this art.

Trainees go through seal 6 type training.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Title IX has become a train wreck. The suit also states that the accused are allowed to have attorneys. The horror!

This is a real gravy train for lawyers coming to a location near you soon. However, the lack of due process that many of these "activists" want will backfire in their faces.

It has already started. http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/w...ts-at-universities-after-campus-rape-rulings/

The shame is that the problem needs to be addressed but not at the expense of due process.

There is a big difference between the athletes and the general population on these kinds of things. The general male student population often does not get access to due process. It seems university authorities often bend over backward to punish the accused, no matter what the evidence shows.

With athletes, just the opposite often seems to happen. University authorities often bend over backward to shield the athletes.

 

[PacoGator19]

Title IX has become a train wreck. The suit also states that the accused are allowed to have attorneys. The horror!

This is a real gravy train for lawyers coming to a location near you soon. However, the lack of due process that many of these "activists" want will backfire in their faces.

It has already started. http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/w...ts-at-universities-after-campus-rape-rulings/

The shame is that the problem needs to be addressed but not at the expense of due process.

The problem is UT's and FSU's "process" is NO process.

 

[RentechCEO]

The problem is UT's and FSU's "process" is NO process.

That is obviously not true. Even the suit acknowledges that.

 

[RentechCEO]

There is a big difference between the athletes and the general population on these kinds of things. The general male student population often does not get access to due process. It seems university authorities often bend over backward to punish the accused, no matter what the evidence shows.

With athletes, just the opposite often seems to happen. University authorities often bend over backward to shield the athletes.

A better question is why are university kangaroo court code of conduct hearings dealing with a serious felony crime when they are not equipped to do so. No right to counsel, no rules of evidence, and an incredibly low burden of proof for a crime that we used to execute people for. Would YOU want to be tried of the serious crime of rape by a couple of professors and some students? I don't think so.

Actually, it is indeed the non-athletes who are suing and winning these cases. Turn it over to the criminal justice system and let them handle it. If the police are corrupt (as some allege in Gainesville and Tally) then use Federal remedies. The answer to the problem is not a cessation of due process. That will fail the movement and the people involved. Two wrongs don't make it right.

 

[PacoGator19]

A better question is why are university kangaroo court code of conduct hearings dealing with a serious felony crime when they are not equipped to do so. No right to counsel, no rules of evidence, and an incredibly low burden of proof for a crime that we used to execute people for. Would YOU want to be tried of the serious crime of rape by a couple of professors and some students? I don't think so.

Actually, it is indeed the non-athletes who are suing and winning these cases. Turn it over to the criminal justice system and let them handle it. If the police are corrupt (as some allege in Gainesville and Tally) then use Federal remedies. The answer to the problem is not a cessation of due process. That will fail the movement and the people involved. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Police corrupt in Gville? You serious? UF gets players arrested for barking at a dog for crying out loud.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Police corrupt in Gville? You serious? UF gets players arrested for barking at a dog for crying out loud.

While true...what happens afterwards?

"In one example that did not make Outside the Lines’ overall investigation, a Gainesville police officer stopped former Florida linebacker Ron Powell for a lane violation in 2014 -- just a few months after he had been drafted by the New Orleans Saints. The officer noted that the address on his driver’s license was a known drug house. A canine officer came to the scene and flagged a likely presence of narcotics in the car, and the investigating officer searched it, finding a white powdery substance on the driver’s seat that she tested on site.

“You have cocaine in your car alright,” the officer said on the video during the traffic stop. “There’s reasons why I asked the questions I asked. You can’t answers questions straight. There’s more in there, so I can easily charge you. But you’re not in handcuffs OK, so just chill out.” The car was a rental, and the officer wrote in a police report that she did not believe the cocaine was Powell’s but was likely tied to a known drug offender who lived at the same address. She let Powell go with a verbal warning for the lane violation.

You guys live and die by the false premise that FSU is evil and corrupt and UF isn't; that TPD is evil and corrupt and GPD represents all that is pure and holy in the world.

The sad reality is UF had the most athletes as crime suspects from 2009-14, the most repeat offenders...25 athletes had multiple run-ins with police, often without facing charges or any public airing of what they did.

While your players may get arrested for barking at dogs, it's FSU's transgressions that get aired on ESPN, thus giving the allusion that the issues rest solely in Tally. UF is not only "no better"; they are actually worse.

LINK: http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/111513/otl-study-gators-had-most-athletes-as-crime-suspects-from-2000-14

 

[grommit]

Butch Jones could be in some trouble here as well.

Nothing will happen to him. Today's culture makes it literally a crime to go after the handicapped, even if it's justified.

 

[GatorGray]

GPD represents all that is pure and holy in the world

I don't think that I have EVER seen anyone on the board say anything remotely close to that.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I don't think that I have EVER seen anyone on the board say anything remotely close to that.

It's what's insinuated when the finger is always pointed out west and the constant denials of Huntley and Cevrone's questionable practices. You guys post thread after thread about how bad it is at FSU (and I'm not blind that our fans do the same on our board), with little regard to same BS that happens in Gainesville. (I don't mean this directly toward you, Gray...just in general for the fanbase...and both sides are guilty)

I simple recognize that athletes get preferential treatment in ALL football towns and within ALL athletic departments (at least to some degree)...they are a university's cash cow. Don't read that as approval either. To be honest, I loath what's become of college football, right down to the recruiting game. High school students on live TV with 3 ball caps and adults waiting on pins and needles is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I understand the importance of recruiting...I just hate the circus its become. ...I digress

 

[RentechCEO]

It's what's insinuated when the finger is always pointed out west and the constant denials of Huntley and Cevrone's questionable practices. You guys post thread after thread about how bad it is at FSU (and I'm not blind that our fans do the same on our board), with little regard to same BS that happens in Gainesville. (I don't mean this directly toward you, Gray...just in general for the fanbase...and both sides are guilty)

I simple recognize that athletes get preferential treatment in ALL football towns and within ALL athletic departments (at least to some degree)...they are a university's cash cow. Don't read that as approval either. To be honest, I loath what's become of college football, right down to the recruiting game. High school students on live TV with 3 ball caps and adults waiting on pins and needles is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I understand the importance of recruiting...I just hate the circus its become. ...I digress

Athletes get preferential treatment because they make a LOT of money for their universities and conferences. So yeah there's that. The holier than thou talk about one school over another is quite frankly hilarious. But I get it. However, even at "religious schools" like Baylor we have the same allegations. However, the train wreck that Title IX has become is causing this and the darker parts of activists who wish to short circuit due process because they aren't getting the results they want from the criminal justice system is a real danger to us all.

 

[GatorGray]

It's what's insinuated when the finger is always pointed out west and the constant denials of Huntley and Cevrone's questionable practices. You guys post thread after thread about how bad it is at FSU (and I'm not blind that our fans do the same on our board), with little regard to same BS that happens in Gainesville. (I don't mean this directly toward you, Gray...just in general for the fanbase...and both sides are guilty)

I simple recognize that athletes get preferential treatment in ALL football towns and within ALL athletic departments (at least to some degree)...they are a university's cash cow. Don't read that as approval either. To be honest, I loath what's become of college football, right down to the recruiting game. High school students on live TV with 3 ball caps and adults waiting on pins and needles is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I understand the importance of recruiting...I just hate the circus its become. ...I digress

I don't doubt that you interpret it that way, but I think the general feeling is the GPD's policy is 'Arrest first and ask questions later'. (Arresting Antonio Morrison for barking at a dog is Exhibit A here.) This is why Cervone has to frequently drop the charges, because there is no real case - I know many noles interpret that "Cervone is on the take", or similar.

 

[MJWilliamson]

A better question is why are university kangaroo court code of conduct hearings dealing with a serious felony crime when they are not equipped to do so.

Agreed. But this is NOT what happened in UT's case. Nor did it happen at FSU with the Winston debacle.

Actually, it is indeed the non-athletes who are suing and winning these cases. Turn it over to the criminal justice system and let them handle it.

As they should

 

[alaskanseminole]

I don't doubt that you interpret it that way, but I think the general feeling is the GPD's policy is 'Arrest first and ask questions later'. (Arresting Antonio Morrison for barking at a dog is Exhibit A here.) This is why Cervone has to frequently drop the charges, because there is no real case - I know many noles interpret that "Cervone is on the take", or similar.

I'm certain that somewhere between Noles thinking Cervone is John Milton and the Gators thinking he's Ben Matlock is the reality.

 

[RentechCEO]

Agreed. But this is NOT what happened in UT's case. Nor did it happen at FSU with the Winston debacle.

In the Winston "debacle" the accuser refused to cooperate with either the police or FSU in pressing for a Code of Conduct hearing or criminal charges. That is until Jameis later became golden. That's been fairly well documented.

At UT, the accusers don't like the pseudo legal process because the accused are allowed lawyers and can challenge evidence. You know, like a real court.

As I have posted before FSU was vulnerable because the AD did not tell the Title IX people about the rape accusation. This is a stupid process and schools should not be required to investigate serious crime cases. Which is why they will get sued more and more for their kangaroo courts and Title IX lawyers see a gravy train of epic proportions ahead. And don't worry friend there will be some coming your schools way soon unless Title IX gets reined in to what it was originally intended to be.

 

[RentechCEO]

I don't doubt that you interpret it that way, but I think the general feeling is the GPD's policy is 'Arrest first and ask questions later'. (Arresting Antonio Morrison for barking at a dog is Exhibit A here.) This is why Cervone has to frequently drop the charges, because there is no real case - I know many noles interpret that "Cervone is on the take", or similar.

Did you know that Urban gave Cervone an NC ring for his "support of the team"? Funny that.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Oh just stop it. FSU coddled the Winston investigation and had to pay nearly a million dollars for doing so.

Admit it and move on.

If you need to make UT into a bad actor to make yourself feel better about YOUR unfortunate choices, by all means, carry on.

 

[guynole]

http://www.tennessea...st-ut/79966450/

Sweeping sex assault suit filed against University of Tennessee - The Tennessean

Six women filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday claiming the University of Tennessee has created a student culture that enables sexual assaults by student-athletes, especially football players, and then uses an unusual, legalistic adjudication process that is biased against victims who step forward.

The lawsuit, filed by plaintiffs identified only as "Jane Does," accuses five Tennessee athletes of sexual assault. They are former basketball player Yemi Makanjuola, former football players A.J. Johnson, Michael Williams and Riyahd Jones and a current football player named as a "John Doe."

The lawsuit also details an incident involving a female student who says she was sexually assaulted by a nonathlete, who was named a John Doe. The alleged assault took place after attending a football team party at Vol Hall, a campus dorm where she was served drinks by former UT player Treyvon Paulk, the lawsuit says.

Wow.

 

[RentechCEO]

Oh just stop it. FSU coddled the Winston instigation and had to pay nearly a million dollars for doing so.

Admit it and move on.

If you need to make UT into a bad actor to make yourself feel better about YOUR unfortunate choices, by all means, carry on.

Prove it. Kinsman couldn't and settlements are not admissions of nor proof of guilt. You guys started the post about UT. I don't think they are bad actors. I think Title IX is the bad actor here. And don't worry my biased friend, suits are coming your way as well. Then perhaps you will see the light.

 

[Countygator]

Prove it. Kinsman couldn't and settlements are not admissions of nor proof of guilt. You guys started the post about UT. I don't think they are bad actors. I think Title IX is the bad actor here. And don't worry my biased friend, suits are coming your way as well. Then perhaps you will see the light.

Huh, didn't know that. FSU said they handled everything correctly so here's a cool million for stopping by....nice. I should sue them too....

 

[Countygator]

Did you know that Urban gave Cervone an NC ring for his "support of the team"? Funny that.

Another huh, really? Did you also know that fsu invented Gatorade? It was posted online by several nolies so it must be true.....

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

Another huh, really? Did you also know that fsu invented Gatorade? It was posted online by several nolies so it must be true.....

Firewater yo, not Gatorade brofessor.

 

[RentechCEO]

Another huh, really? Did you also know that fsu invented Gatorade? It was posted online by several nolies so it must be true.....

Don't you think Cervone deserved it? I think he was and still is a great supporter of your team. I think he is also on the UF payroll isn't he? No conflict of interest there of course. Nah.

 

[RentechCEO]

Huh, didn't know that. FSU said they handled everything correctly so here's a cool million for stopping by....nice. I should sue them too....

Look for that stuff to happen at your school as well at some point. Title IX does that you know. BTW, FSU got off much better than they would have taking it to trial and winning due to legal costs, but hey facts are confusing to some.