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[gator1776]

The fact that this is a “small” pandemic does not make it easier for the 3,000,000 (and counting) families who have lose a loved one. To brush it off as a minor blip is just callus. (One on this site called 4,000 deaths a day in India insignificant.) Many thousands are disabled from it and since they are not dead they are not counted. Many hundreds of thousands lost two weeks or more having to be out of work due to the illness. Many on this site decry the economic impact that the restrictions caused. Imagine the impact if the virus had spread unchecked. But it’s just a flu, no worries.

So your issue is you don’t think I’m showing enough unwarranted hysteria over this?

The economic impact had it spread unchecked, as you put it, would’ve been far more minimal as I discussed in that article. The reason it would’ve been far more minimal is because this is a minor pandemic comparatively. That means by shutting everything down we unnecessarily hurt the economy when the impact still would have been relatively minimal from a minor pandemic.

. When you discuss these things at this level you have to divorce yourself from unwarranted hysteria and passion and embrace rational thought. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about the people that I personally try to save who did not survive, because I do. I have seen more than 100 people die from coronavirus ranging in age from 18 to 102. The average age of these people was definitely in the 60s. I have had to talk to their families and deal with their love ones. At the bedside I am an empathetic understanding physician with the same normal human feelings we all possess. But that kind of emotion has little business and a discussion of a pandemic on a global epidemiological standpoint.

I’m sorry if in your personal judgment I don’t seem to care enough. But that is a subjective measurement.

Life has casualties, we all die eventually, but
the cure should never be worse than the disease.

 

[NavigatorII]

The fact that this is a “small” pandemic does not make it easier for the 3,000,000 (and counting) families who have lose a loved one. To brush it off as a minor blip is just callus. (One on this site called 4,000 deaths a day in India insignificant.) Many thousands are disabled from it and since they are not dead they are not counted. Many hundreds of thousands lost two weeks or more having to be out of work due to the illness. Many on this site decry the economic impact that the restrictions caused. Imagine the impact if the virus had spread unchecked. But it’s just a flu, no worries.

Fake News. The total number of deaths in the US from Covid is less than 600k. That's .18%

POINT zero zero one eight. .0018

And why are you worrying about the people "out two weeks" from work? The GD economy was shut down for a year in some places.

 

[G8trDad3]

So your issue is you don’t think I’m showing enough unwarranted hysteria over this?

The economic impact had it spread unchecked, as you put it, would’ve been far more minimal as I discussed in that article. The reason it would’ve been far more minimal is because this is a minor pandemic comparatively. That means by shutting everything down we unnecessarily hurt the economy when the impact still would have been relatively minimal from a minor pandemic.

. When you discuss these things at this level you have to divorce yourself from unwarranted hysteria and passion and embrace rational thought. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about the people that I personally try to save who did not survive, because I do. I have seen more than 100 people die from coronavirus ranging in age from 18 to 102. The average age of these people was definitely in the 60s. I have had to talk to their families and deal with their love ones. At the bedside I am an empathetic understanding physician with the same normal human feelings we all possess. But that kind of emotion has little business and a discussion of a pandemic on a global epidemiological standpoint.

I’m sorry if in your personal judgment I don’t seem to care enough. But that is a subjective measurement.

Life has casualties, we all die eventually, but
the cure should never be worse than the disease.

I am not hysterical. Just giving my point of view as a Family Doc. I also have dealt with many Covid patients and families although not in the hospital setting. I did not advocate prolonged shut down. I do think the economic impact may have been worse if the virus was left unchecked.

 

[gator1776]

I am not hysterical. Just giving my point of view as a Family Doc. I also have dealt with many Covid patients and families although not in the hospital setting. I did not advocate prolonged shut down. I do think the economic impact may have been worse if the virus was left unchecked.

Well, respectfully, if you’re a family practice doctors and you’ve not dealt with Covid on the level that I have. That puts you slightly more on par with the people that I’ve had a few love ones affected by it and not taking care of hundreds of patients with Covid in the hospital including many in the ICU in many that have not survived. In other words we have different perspectives on this. Your contention is shutting everything down stop the spread of the virus and it never did it simply delayed the spread. We would’ve had like with the same number of cases in the same number of deaths that we just kept everything open to the beginning. The history of pandemics would argue that is the case.

that said I think the first month shut down was warranted until we knew for sure whether we were dealing with a major 1918 influenza like pandemic or what we ended up seeing which is a mild pandemic. Pass that all these crazy shut downs have been unwarranted in my opinion.

But I think your attack on me was more of a personal level which I don’t appreciate but I forgiven so be it.

 

[NavigatorII]

Well, respectfully, if you’re a family practice doctors and you’ve not dealt with Covid on the level that I have. That puts you slightly more on par with the people that I’ve had a few love ones affected by it and not taking care of hundreds of patients with Covid in the hospital including many in the ICU in many that have not survived. In other words we have different perspectives on this. Your contention is shutting everything down stop the spread of the virus and it never did it simply delayed the spread. We would’ve had like with the same number of cases in the same number of deaths that we just kept everything open to the beginning. The history of pandemics would argue that is the case.

that said I think the first month shut down was warranted until we knew for sure whether we were dealing with a major 1918 influenza like pandemic or what we ended up seeing which is a mild pandemic. Pass that all these crazy shut downs have been unwarranted in my opinion.

But I think your attack on me was more of a personal level which I don’t appreciate but I forgiven so be it.

I don't agree lockstep with you (is 1% disagreement ok? ) but I've always listened and respected your perspective. I think our disagreement is that masks work, they don't in my opinion, at least not these. Trump's shutdown (2 weeks) was nothing but to give the hospitals a chance to gear up, and keep them from overflowing on the first curve. That's why MDFer is an idiot, but he's a troll anyway.

 

[gator1776]

I don't agree lockstep with you (is 1% disagreement ok? ) but I've always listened and respected your perspective. I think our disagreement is that masks work, they don't in my opinion, at least not these. Trump's shutdown (2 weeks) was nothing but to give the hospitals a chance to gear up, and keep them from overflowing on the first curve. That's why MDFer is an idiot, but he's a troll anyway.

Honestly any respectful disagreement is OK. I just don’t get with people attack you personally because they don’t think you care enough or show enough emotion which is beyond subjective and very personal.

as for my opinion on mass, if you’ll read that section in the article you’ll see that I don’t think they work all that well either but it’s such a minor inconvenience I did not mind wearing them and I still have to wear them in the hospital. But I am in great disagreement with continuing to push irrational use of mask for political control And expediency.

 

[G8trDad3]

Well, respectfully, if you’re a family practice doctors and you’ve not dealt with Covid on the level that I have. That puts you slightly more on par with the people that I’ve had a few love ones affected by it and not taking care of hundreds of patients with Covid in the hospital including many in the ICU in many that have not survived. In other words we have different perspectives on this. Your contention is shutting everything down stop the spread of the virus and it never did it simply delayed the spread. We would’ve had like with the same number of cases in the same number of deaths that we just kept everything open to the beginning. The history of pandemics would argue that is the case.

that said I think the first month shut down was warranted until we knew for sure whether we were dealing with a major 1918 influenza like pandemic or what we ended up seeing which is a mild pandemic. Pass that all these crazy shut downs have been unwarranted in my opinion.

But I think your attack on me was more of a personal level which I don’t appreciate but I forgiven so be it.

I am not attacking you. I respect all that you do in the hospital. And I choose not to be offended by your belittling my Covid experience. You do not know how many or how few of my patients have died from Covid. I have already agreed with you about the shut down, I never said it should be complete. I do feel masks and social distancing were necessary to reduce spread.

 

[NavigatorII]

Honestly any respectful disagreement is OK. I just don’t get with people attack you personally because I don’t think you care enough or show enough emotion which is beyond subjective and very personal.

as for my opinion on mass, if you’ll read that section in the article you’ll see that I don’t think they work all that well either but it’s such a minor inconvenience I did not mind wearing them and I still have to wear them in the hospital. But I am in great disagreement with continuing to push irrational use of mask for political control And expediency.

The only reason I EVER wore one was to avoid confrontations from beta cucks. There are better hills to die on. But I quit wearing one 8 months ago unless I am in a medical facility. I met with my doc about two weeks ago. I wore one there. When he came into the room, he recognized me and we both lowered our masks. 😂

 

[gator1776]

I am not attacking you. I respect all that you do in the hospital. And I choose not to be offended by your belittling my Covid experience. You do not know how many or how few of my patients have died from Covid. I have already agreed with you about the shut down, I never said it should be complete. I do feel masks and social distancing were necessary to reduce spread.

I think the rules your mother taught you are what we needed to do to prevent spread. Wash your hands. Stay home if you’re sick. Avoid contact with people if you’re sick. And I can see if it’s a 6 feet separation but I don’t think the data is strong in mask.

as for you thinking I’m belittling you because you don’t take care of Covid patients as sick as the ones I take care of, do you dispute that fact? Go back to your original response to me in this thread and tell me that doesn’t read a little bit like a personal attack. You’re disappointed in me? LOL

 

[G8trDad3]

I think the rules your mother taught you are what we needed to do to prevent spread. Wash your hands. Stay home if you’re sick. Avoid contact with people if you’re sick. And I can see if it’s a 6 feet separation but I don’t think the data is strong in mask.

as for you thinking I’m belittling you because you don’t take care of Covid patients as sick as the ones I take care of, do you dispute that fact? Go back to your original response to me in this thread and tell me that doesn’t read a little bit like a personal attack. You’re disappointed in me? LOL

LOL is right. I’m sorry if my disappointment offended you. It was not meant as a put down. I thought that as a fellow physician we would share some common thoughts on the pandemic. I’m disappointed that is not the case. You have presented a good case. You do realize that as learned as your opinion is, I’d wager that most practicing physicians disagree with you. In my community most physicians are in favor of masking and social distancing. They respect the damage the virus can do to our community. Yes, that includes the “smart ones” in the hospital as well as those of us on the front lines who work to keep our patients out of the hospital.
I stated earlier that I would take no offense at your slight towards my experience. I take that back. No doubt you are in the trenches. No doubt I could not do what you do there. I’ve been out of hospital medicine for too long. (And at one time I treated ICU patients alongside the specialist.) I’ve been practicing for 35 years and have done a pretty good job keeping my patients safe and as healthy as possible so they do not end up one of your patients.

 

[BillCutting4585]

The fact that this is a “small” pandemic does not make it easier for the 3,000,000 (and counting) families who have lose a loved one. To brush it off as a minor blip is just callus. (One on this site called 4,000 deaths a day in India insignificant.) Many thousands are disabled from it and since they are not dead they are not counted. Many hundreds of thousands lost two weeks or more having to be out of work due to the illness. Many on this site decry the economic impact that the restrictions caused. Imagine the impact if the virus had spread unchecked. But it’s just a flu, no worries.

Will you blame Fauci for the deaths when it comes out that his approval of grant money gifted to eco health alliance proxied to China for gain of function research is exposed fully?

 

[gator1776]

LOL is right. I’m sorry if my disappointment offended you. It was not meant as a put down. I thought that as a fellow physician we would share some common thoughts on the pandemic. I’m disappointed that is not the case. You have presented a good case. You do realize that as learned as your opinion is, I’d wager that most practicing physicians disagree with you. In my community most physicians are in favor of masking and social distancing. They respect the damage the virus can do to our community. Yes, that includes the “smart ones” in the hospital as well as those of us on the front lines who work to keep our patients out of the hospital.
I stated earlier that I would take no offense at your slight towards my experience. I take that back. No doubt you are in the trenches. No doubt I could not do what you do there. I’ve been out of hospital medicine for too long. (And at one time I treated ICU patients alongside the specialist.) I’ve been practicing for 35 years and have done a pretty good job keeping my patients safe and as healthy as possible so they do not end up one of your patients.

That’s quite a chip you’re carrying on your shoulder. Might I suggest therapy?

 

[G8trDad3]

That’s quite a chip you’re carrying on your shoulder. Might I suggest therapy?

Well, you are the one with hurt feelings, couldn’t take it that he disappointed someone.

 

[gator1776]

Well, you are the one with hurt feelings, couldn’t take it that he disappointed someone.

Oh I’m fine, thanks. I have a wonderful therapist. Being at peace is a blessing that I only hoped to share with you.

 

[G8trDad3]

Oh I’m fine, thanks. I have a wonderful therapist. Being at peace is a blessing that I only hoped to share with you.

Good for you!