Ha ha. You got me. I stand corrected. I think that's completely wrong. What a coach did as an assistant can obviously help him be a better coach but I don't compare Mullen and Kirby as assistants because I think yhat is just different than being a head coach. I only go by H2H records as head coaches.
Kirbys Troll on Florida
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If you go off the record of the team the prior year then I agree with you. If you go off the accomplishme ts of the team the previous three years then Florida was in much better shape based on two SEC East championships to none.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one because I think a 3 year window is a better overall picture to the state of the program.
I would like to think he isn't but he sure outcoached Kirby in that game so if LSU fans are saying he is I'm not going to make a bunch of excuses and talk about other games since we have head-to-head matches that will tell us the truth.
I'm mainly going off the talent each coach inherited. Insult him all you want, but Richt could recruit. And Pruitt was his DC and Pruitt is an even better recruiter than Kirby and a better DC. So Kirby was pretty much handed the keys to a Ferrari and told to have fun.
McElwain was a horrible recruiter and it appears he was horrible at managing the Florida team. So Mullen actually did have to come in and start over in many respects.
Again, you are a Georgia homer and to be fair, every Georgia poster here has been one, I haven't seen an objective poster in the whole lot of you.
Time will tell on Kirby. Two coaches in the SEC right now worry me: Dan Mullen at Florida and Jimbo Fisher at A&M.
I'm not at all worried about Kirby.
I don't go on just one head to head game, I go on careers. Not a lot to judge on either, but I say it's a coin toss at this point. We'll find out in the next couple of years.
If Richt was such a great recruiter and Mc was such a horrible one then qhy did Mc win thise two SEC East championships while Richt didn't win one during his last four years? If your going to say that Mc coaches them and developed them better then you have to admit that Mullen took over a more stable program than Kirby so I doubt you will admit that.
So if Kirby beats Mullen this year will you say that Kirby is better?
McElwain is good at calling plays on the field, same as Lane Kiffin.
McElwain is NOT good at managing a program as head coach, and neither is Kiffin.
Time will tell if Kirby can grow into either role.
Well since Mullen hasn't even won a division championship I kind of question whether you can look at a career and objectively give your opinion especially if you won't concede it to Kirby if he beats Mullen AGAIN this year.
It's what he did at Miss State. That's one of the hardest Power 5 jobs in the country to win at, and he got Miss State to its first #1 ranking in program history.
If Kirby had taken the Miss State job in 2009, he would have likely had about the same record as Croom, and would have been fired after 3-4 years.
Mullen being at Florida with elite facilities and an elite recruiting base to get stud offensive recruits scares the hell out of me, and it scares the hell out of smart Georgia fans as well.
Again, I'm not going by your criteria. You are selectively picking criteria that favors Kirby and doesn't help Mullen, because you have an agenda.
I don't. That's why I had no problem telling everyone here that Kirby is an elite recruiter, who does NOT cheat, and he's an average head coach.
Meanwhile, Mullen is a very average recruiter, a very good coach and he does a great job of developing players. I don't think he cheats either, but I'd honestly believe he would before I'd believe that Kirby would.
I'll take the guy who can coach and develop players over the good recruiter every day of the week.
The truth is that you have no idea what Kirby would have done if he took over Mississippi State. You are ketrung your bias show now. Garor fans keep saying he took Mississippi State to #1. He didn't even win the division.
That's great that you would take the coach who develops players better and recruits worse (according to you). You would be 0-2 with that coach against Kirby. Ha ha.
Aren't you picking criteria that favors Mullen over criteria that facors Kirby when you select # of wins the prior year?
That's why I said what would have likely happened.
I've said all along that Kirby is NOT a good head coach but have added that he has TIME to grow into the job.
Dabo was able to do it. Maybe Kirby can too. Or maybe he's another Gene Chizik.
No wait, Chizik won his NC. Nevermind.
By the way, did you know Kirby took Georgia to the national championship game in his second year? Did you know that Georgia hasn't been in the National Championship game since the Sugar Bowl of the 1982 season? Why aren't you recognizing Kirby for that?
Actually my top criteria is recruiting. Richt did a much better job of recruiting than McElwain did. You blew that off, so I pointed out that Richt also left Georgia with a 10-win season while McElwain was fired after a 4-win season.
You didn't want to hear that either, so at that point I realized it was a waste of time to try to make you see a POV that you didn't want to see.
Well maybe I am wrong on Mullen. Maybe he has time to grow into the job. I mean he has been a head coach for 9 years right? Maybe he will grow into a division champ in his 10th year...may the SEC championship by his 15th year...maybe go to the Nagional Championship game his 20th year. That would be great...would only put him 18 years behind on accomplishments to Kirby.
Probably because Kirby's bad coaching is the reason why you are talking about him MAKING the NC game instead of WINNING it.
If you want to give him credit for MAKING the game, you also have to own that he was totally unprepared for Bama's BACKUP QB in the 2nd half. Even the announcers remarked in the 2nd quarter that Tua might be coming in, but Kirby was caught completely flat-footed.
Like I've always said, give Kirby a lifetime contract, $200M buyout. If you guys really believe the BS you post here about him, then pay the man.
In the words of Cecil Newton, "Make me smile".
The fact is that Richt mostly finished in the top 10 in recruiting every year because he got great skill players. Did you know you can finish in the top 10 in recruiting ranking every year and not sign any good OL and DL? Unfortunately, we Gergia fans know that. Hence, Richt didn't win an SEC title his last 10 years. It wasn't until Kirby came that we actually started recruiting the right way.
What damn fun is that? Do you credit Gus Malzhan for making a title game when the OHS numbers douche posts his rhetoric?.
Yet you Georgia fans are giving Florida fans here hell about how bad their OL will be this season.
That's because they didn't recruit very many under the previous two coaches. Funny how you guys tell on yourselves if you wait long enough.
I have no problem admitting that we were not prepared for Tua and no problem admitting we were not prepares for Hurts.
I'm not some Kirby apologist. I full admit that he has to grow into being a better coach. The point I am making and will continue to believe is that he is better than Mullen.
Ha ha. Valid point. I was only responding to Ghost thinking I was going to be impressed by Mullen getting MSU to #1. I would be much more impressed if he actually won the SEC West!
Probably because we don't follow their recruiting as close as our own. If they have been recruiting OL really well then they'll still be good.
You have to remember that we put up with a lot of years of Richt neglecting OL so we almost get to the point where we thought that was normal for all teams.
So are you suggesting that since Florida didn't do that with Mullen they don't believe in him? Not really getting your point?
The only difference between you and me is that I admit I have a bias towards Kirby. My guess is that you will not admit your bias against Kirby. If you really believe you are objective in this argument then you should start selling whatever it is your taking. You could be rich! (Insert where you tell me how rich you already are)
If I were biased against Kirby I'd probably say he wasn't a good recruiter and/or that he only gets good recruits by cheating.
I'm sorry, but I've seen Kirby lose to Bama two straight years by in 2017 making no halftime or 2nd half adjustments, then failing to do the same thing in 2018 and then calling that disastrous 4th and Kirby fake punt which is honestly one of the dumbest calls I've ever seen any coach at any level of football make.
I'm more than happy to give Kirby credit for what I think he's earned, I'm just not going to give him credit for the things he hasn't earned in my mind.
My point is that I hope Georgia keeps Kirby a lot longer than they probably will.
IOW, I don't fear Kirby at Georgia. I think he is an average head coach at best who is about to hit a recruiting brick wall because he's sold all these recruits on coming to Georgia and winning NCs like Bama does, and it's not happening.
He can sign MAYBE one more class based on promises, but if Georgia doesn't have a monster year in 2019, the recruits will start looking elsewhere.
You obviously have a very high opinion of Mullen and a very low opinion of Kirby. I think the one thing that we can both agree on is that it won't matter how often (or by how much) Kirby beats Mullen you will continue to say Mullen is better. You have every right to than opinion no matter how crazy it is.
I've already said Kirby is a much better recruiter than Mullen.
Can we be honest with each other for a second? Do me a favor: Google the top coaches in college football. Pick the first 10 or so articles you see ranking or listing the top coaches in college football.
See how many rank Mullen ahead of Kirby. That's all.
Yep. 4th and Kirby came at midfield in a tied game with under 5 mins left where Bama left its BASE DEFENSE on the field. I mean......how smart do you need to be in that situation to call a timeout and change plays?
But Kirby missed it.
The fake FG came with Bama down by 15 in the 1st half and Saban was trying to change momentum.
Saban had a reason to call the fake FG, Kirby had no sane reason to call the fake punt ESPECIALLY when Bama left its base defense on the field.
Even you have to see that, right?
The announcers during the championship game didn't think it was a great call by Saban.
I'm not making excuses for Kirby. They were both bad calls.
Just Googled it and saw two...CBS and 247Sports...both ranked Kirby ahead of Mullen.
Now will you admit Kirby is better??
I didn't say it was either, just saying why Saban did it, he was trying to change the momentum in the game. He did the same thing with an onsides kick against Clemson in 2015 and it was a thing of beauty.
But with 4th and Kirby, there was no sane reason to go ahead with the play when Bama left its BASE DEFENSE on the field. I keep putting that in caps because I don't think you get why that's important. Saban might as well have held up a sign that said "HEY KIRBY! WE KNOW YOU ARE RUNNING A FAKE PUNT, DON'T YOU WANT TO CALL A TIMEOUT? COME ON SON, I TAUGHT YOU BETTER THAN THIS!"
But Kirby went ahead and ran the play anyway. Then after the game he said it was the right call, and Fields didn't execute it correctly.
Deer in the headlights moment if ever there was one.
