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Jumping Ship?

Fever, to paraphrase his presser

“We aren’t going to rush for kids we can’t evaluate before ESD, we will focus on kids who don’t sign early and the portal”

That seems logical
Could care less about his speech just like Mac and them. The guy is scaring me he has some arrogance or something driving off blue chip recruits. We will see how it finishes but it's alarming so far.
 
Fever apparently expected Napier to part Lake Alice and lead some wayward 5 star receiving recruits directly into BHG….

For a guy that seems to not understand recruiting at all, he's incredibly fixated on it.

Like a teenager before a girl actually touches him.

He thinks he knows....but....
 
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I don't think you can just shrug off 4 decomitments in the last 24 hours. The part that's most disconcerting is there decomitting after they talk to Billy.
Exactly! Napier is laying down some serious law that is very foreign to them. He won't be dancing with players on the sidelines like Mullen did with Felipe Franks..
 
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Have you ever considered that he's telling them where they stand? Have you considered the players Mullen has recruited?

Are you even considering the recruits that he and the rest of our fledgling staff are focusing on?

In your head Billy went to Evers and tried to pitch him into staying (even though he had already said he was going to stay) and that Billy "screwed it up."

You realize he might have gone out there to talk about the future with him and the Evers family realized he wasn't a part of it because...you know....Billy may have basically said it.

No nuance with you as per usual.

The internet chatter on Evers is that, during the in-home, the Evers were disappointed when Napier made it clear that he wasn't planning for this to be a one QB class.
 
I will admit Gibson is one of our commits I really wanted to keep. I liked him. Evers - he’s a good prospect but nothing to get bent out of shape about IMO.

I agree with you 100%. And its not even Gibson I love per se, its just a position we can’t afford to just drop a 4*

And if the rumor he ghosted him is true, I hate that
 
I agree with you 100%. And its not even Gibson I love per se, its just a position we can’t afford to just drop a 4*

And if the rumor he ghosted him is true, I hate that
Gibson was my favorite WR and it is a position of need.
 
Gibson was my favorite WR and it is a position of need.

I
Am intrigued by this 3* out of Texas Billy is obsessed with. I am guessing he had been evaluating him for ULL and wants him at UF. Billy did work for Dabo and Saban so something tells me if Billy thinks he can play at UF he can.

And Paco, I can’t read VIP on TOS, who is the 5* UGA commit Billy is obsessed with?
 
Look, no need to panic especially before NSD.

But to say its “normal” because its a transition class is disingenuous. Yes transition classes stink, but nothing about hovering around 80
is normal even for a transition class. Again, no sense in evaluating until NSD.

And yes there is a lot of panic, maybe too much. But to demand blind loyalty and not question or disagree with some things is silly.

A fanbase, especially on a message board would in a normal case discuss the good, Corey Raymond, as well as the questionable, HC/OC/QB coach.

This guy was given a huge contract and a ton of money for off field. To expect a few more Corey Raymonds is not being impatient.
It is after 4 days. That would be the definition of impatient, especially since we know the next hires are likely NFL guys. Despite this knowledge there WILL be people in here shrieking and pulling their hair out next week because he hasn’t hired anyone. As for it not being normal for a transition class… we were told to expect things to get crazy and it would be unlike anything we’ve ever seen. When the man tells me he’s going to do something then doesn’t do it, I’ll get a little worries. But so far, he hasn’t. I explained how easy it is to figure out what he’s doing several times yesterday. He’s telling you exactly how it’s going to happen.

Regardless, there were guys talking about “red flags” a couple hours into his first day. That’s way more extreme than anything the people telling you to trust him are doing
 
It is after 4 days. That would be the definition of impatient, especially since we know the next hires are likely NFL guys. Despite this knowledge there WILL be people in here shrieking and pulling their hair out next week because he hasn’t hired anyone. As for it not being normal for a transition class… we were told to expect things to get crazy and it would be unlike anything we’ve ever seen. When the man tells me he’s going to do something then doesn’t do it, I’ll get a little worries. But so far, he hasn’t. I explained how easy it is to figure out what he’s doing several times yesterday. He’s telling you exactly how it’s going to happen.

Regardless, there were guys talking about “red flags” a couple hours into his first day. That’s way more extreme than anything the people telling you to trust him are doing

And if it is NFL guys, fine. But I will be critical if we get more ULL guys. He didn’t get a huge boost in staff money to give raises to SunBelt guys.

Get Tosh and Sale in here. Thats what the money is for
 
And if it is NFL guys, fine. But I will be critical if we get more ULL guys. He didn’t get a huge boost in staff money to give raises to SunBelt guys.

Get Tosh and Sale in here. Thats what the money is for
It’s highly unlikely there will be anymore ULL guys on the coaching staff. He pulled over with him the 2 best ones.
 
I
Am intrigued by this 3* out of Texas Billy is obsessed with. I am guessing he had been evaluating him for ULL and wants him at UF. Billy did work for Dabo and Saban so something tells me if Billy thinks he can play at UF he can.

And Paco, I can’t read VIP on TOS, who is the 5* UGA commit Billy is obsessed with?
I don’t know much about that 3* WR out of Texas. I really haven’t had a chance to watch any of his film.

Is it Jaheim Singletary or one of the IMG kids maybe??
 
I don’t know much about that 3* WR out of Texas. I really haven’t had a chance to watch any of his film.

Is it Jaheim Singletary or one of the IMG kids maybe??

Not sure I just know it appears Billy is getting a visit

And I know Billy is focused on OL/DL so
Thought you might know

Either way I think people will be surprised where we land on NSD
 
Not sure I just know it appears Billy is getting a visit

And I know Billy is focused on OL/DL so
Thought you might know

Either way I think people will be surprised where we land on NSD
He’s certainly focused on the OL/DL right now which makes sense. Especially the oline. I think Napier is going to hit the portal hard this first year. My guess is he thinks he can get better players out of the portal than he can get out of this recruiting class. The portal has changed college sports dramatically. Now I don’t think you can rely on the portal year in and year out but you can use it in a gap/transition year like this. I expect him to hit the 23 class hard with high school kids. I also don’t believe a transition class will make him or break him. It will be more about what happens in the 23 & 24 class. Time will tell. We are on like our 4th coach in like 10 years right? We should be thankful we made it to 3 straight NY6 bowl games with that much instability.
 
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He’s certainly focused on the OL/DL right now which makes sense. Especially the oline. I think Napier is going to hit the portal hard this first year. My guess is he thinks he can get better players out of the portal than he can get out of this recruiting class. The portal has changed college sports dramatically. Now I don’t think you can rely on the portal year in and year out but you can use it in a gap/transition year like this. I expect him to hit the 23 class hard with high school kids. I also don’t believe a transition class will make him or break him. It will be more about what happens in the 23 & 24 class. Time will tell. We are on like our 4th coach in like 10 years right? We should be thankful we made it to 3 straight NY6 bowl games with that much instability.

I looked back at Urb and class 2 and 3 made him.

I like that BN approach to portal
Is that if you miss you have them 2 years, not 4-5

I am OK with the portal, huge plus for new hires

if nothing else I want the balanced classes we haven’t had since Urb. If you look at a Ryan Day class at OSu it is like a roster, 5 OL, 1 QB, 2 WR, 4 secondary. Thats the key to success and deprh. If we get that, I will have faith
 
I looked back at Urb and class 2 and 3 made him.

I like that BN approach to portal
Is that if you miss you have them 2 years, not 4-5

I am OK with the portal, huge plus for new hires

if nothing else I want the balanced classes we haven’t had since Urb. If you look at a Ryan Day class at OSu it is like a roster, 5 OL, 1 QB, 2 WR, 4 secondary. Thats the key to success and deprh. If we get that, I will have faith
Yes that is typically the case. It really boils down to your 2nd and 3rd class. The bump class so to speak is probably the most important. In Urban’s case it was unreal. Didn’t Meyer’s 2nd class have Tebow, Harvin, Spikes, Pouncey Twins? That’s enough right there to just be like wow! I’m ok with heavy hitting the portal as well for 1 year. Just don’t make it a yearly habit. Look what Mel Tucker did with the portal this past year. I think he brought in like 15-20 players and had a good year. Now the issue with the portal is how many SEC quality players can you get? That I don’t know. I do know more kids are hitting the portal each year. Not sure that is really a good thing either.
 
I looked back at Urb and class 2 and 3 made him.

I like that BN approach to portal
Is that if you miss you have them 2 years, not 4-5

I am OK with the portal, huge plus for new hires

if nothing else I want the balanced classes we haven’t had since Urb. If you look at a Ryan Day class at OSu it is like a roster, 5 OL, 1 QB, 2 WR, 4 secondary. Thats the key to success and deprh. If we get that, I will have faith

Funny you mention that.

He's focusing on the trenches. Which makes sense if you want to have an effective run game.

Literally the one thing I'll never understand from the Muschamp era is how poor the OL recruiting was.

Im sure he tried to land them, but if I recall, he had like 2 classes where we only signed one offensive lineman in each.

That's baffling to me. I don't know why it happened, but boy dies it not make sense.
 
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Yes that is typically the case. It really boils down to your 2nd and 3rd class. The bump class so to speak is probably the most important. In Urban’s case it was unreal. Didn’t Meyer’s 2nd class have Tebow, Harvin, Spikes, Pouncey Twins? That’s enough right there to just be like wow! I’m ok with heavy hitting the portal as well for 1 year. Just don’t make it a yearly habit. Look what Mel Tucker did with the portal this past year. I think he brought in like 15-20 players and had a good year. Now the issue with the portal is how many SEC quality players can you get? That I don’t know. I do know more kids are hitting the portal each year. Not sure that is really a good thing either.

Urban's second class was absurd. Granted, there was a convergence of things happening there, but yeah...pretty wild looking back at that class.

His transition class was great on paper though. Josh Portia really lit it up.
 
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Funny you mention that.

He's focusing on the trenches. Which makes sense if you want to have an effective run game.

Literally the one thing I'll never understand from the Muschamp era is how poor the OL recruiting was.

Im sure he tried to land them, but if I recall, he had like 2 classes where we only signed one offensive lineman in each.

That's baffling to me. I don't know why it happened, but boy dies it not make sense.
Yep you got it. The thing with Muschamp was he was a great recruiter but the balance in his classes was terrible. Part of being a great recruiter is just not getting good/great players but making sure you are building a roster and balancing your roster. He was really bad when it came to that.
 
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Yep you got it. The thing with Muschamp was he was a great recruiter but the balance in his classes was terrible. Part of being a great recruiter is just not getting good/great players but making sure you are building a roster and balancing your roster. He was really bad when it came to that.

Oh absolutely true. The defensive players he brought in and left Mac were great. Even some of the offensive players that...ahem....Mac didn't like apparently (looking at you Will Grier).

I think you were more connected back then...why could Muschamp land OL recruits?
 
I think you were more connected back then...why could Muschamp land OL recruits?
I had some connections to Muschamp and his staff back then. Had a family member that had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time with him and his staff. He was very well liked by everybody in the UAA and they wanted him to succeed. He genuinely was a good dude. He just isn’t a head football coach. Not sure why he couldn’t recruit the oline to be honest, especially for a guy that wanted to pound the rock. But Frank Verducci was the oline coach and basically was a Weiss guy. Just wasnt a good fit.
 
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sadgator ain’t trying to be too critical, but it is kinda funny that everybody is speculating that Billy will do great in the portal when Mullen was like the portal f-ing wizard.

And it is good that Billy wants to bolster our O line so we can finally run the ball…

we were only ranked 21st in rushing in the NCAA this year…

just sayin’…
 
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sadgator ain’t trying to be too critical, but it is kinda funny that everybody is speculating that Billy will do great in the portal when Mullen was like the portal f-ing wizard.

And it is good that Billy wants to bolster our O line so we can finally run the ball…

we were only ranked 21st in rushing in the NCAA this year…

just sayin’…
Mullen did do pretty good in the portal. He lost his job because of poor high school recruiting and lousy defense and a few “lame duck” coaches that weren’t replaced sooner.
 
And if it is NFL guys, fine. But I will be critical if we get more ULL guys. He didn’t get a huge boost in staff money to give raises to SunBelt guys.

Get Tosh and Sale in here. Thats what the money is for
He’s already shown he isn’t bringing in mostly ULL guys. That was always a straw man argument and it logically makes sense those guys would be the easiest and therefore first hires. The Raymond hire is the level we’re shooting for. And you’re right… that’s what the money is for.
 
He’s already shown he isn’t bringing in mostly ULL guys. That was always a straw man argument and it logically makes sense those guys would be the easiest and therefore first hires. The Raymond hire is the level we’re shooting for. And you’re right… that’s what the money is for.

No, that isn’t known yet. He is waiting for several NFL guys and maybe a guy or two with teams that have big, upcoming games. ULL guys could very well be the fall back if he misses.

Now he obviously is targeting others but to say there will 100% be no more is flat out false
 
No, that isn’t known yet. He is waiting for several NFL guys and maybe a guy or two with teams that have big, upcoming games. ULL guys could very well be the fall back if he misses.

Now he obviously is targeting others but to say there will 100% be no more is flat out false
So your concern should be not with BN but with the athletic dept. If the plan was to bring more ULL guys they would be here. It didn’t take frost weeks to bring over his whole staff. If that’s what he was doing that would be concerning. What you’re describing would be what Napier must have discussed with Stricklin before he agreed to take the job. That’s why he asked for (and got) the money he did. We’ve already shown that we aren’t looking at more ULL guys, so if they come over that means we missed on the guys we were after, and that’s not on BN. That’s on whoever was supposed to get those deals done. BN has shown you clearly where he’s aiming, and most likely that’s the level of coach he was told we would hire before he came on board. So there’s not just a reason to doubt that the plan is to bring on more ULL guys, there is concrete proof that that’s not the plan. So if we get to the point where we can’t get anyone else and we hire more of his staff, that means someone else has dropped the ball, not Billy. And if that happens then BN has been lied to and so have we. But I really don’t see that happening
 
So your concern should be not with BN but with the athletic dept. If the plan was to bring more ULL guys they would be here. It didn’t take frost weeks to bring over his whole staff. If that’s what he was doing that would be concerning. What you’re describing would be what Napier must have discussed with Stricklin before he agreed to take the job. That’s why he asked for (and got) the money he did. We’ve already shown that we aren’t looking at more ULL guys, so if they come over that means we missed on the guys we were after, and that’s not on BN. That’s on whoever was supposed to get those deals done. BN has shown you clearly where he’s aiming, and most likely that’s the level of coach he was told we would hire before he came on board. So there’s not just a reason to doubt that the plan is to bring on more ULL guys, there is concrete proof that that’s not the plan. So if we get to the point where we can’t get anyone else and we hire more of his staff, that means someone else has dropped the ball, not Billy. And if that happens then BN has been lied to and so have we. But I really don’t see that happening

Honestly, since we are not taking an OC or QB coach all I really care about is who is the top OL guy and who is the co-DC (I feel pretty confident I know who this will be). The others are pretty much reserved for recruiters. Just get guys with D1 and southern ties
 
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