Ahh...I think I've translated your ridiculously poorly worded post now.
You're wrong again (shocking right), the speed of events would absolutely be a factor in the determination.
Jayland Walker, a Black man killed by police in Ohio, was shot at least 60 times, bodycam footage shows: 'This is going to be a brutal video'
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Ahh...I think I've translated your ridiculously poorly worded post now.
You're wrong again (shocking right), the speed of events would absolutely be a factor in the determination.
Right now, you have proof he shot gun?
And that matters how?
I said it was an excessive use of force (based on the amount of gun shot wounds)
You mean there was enough time to ignore the cop ordering them to stop shooting but not enough time to realize he was unarmed?
If you're a law enforcement officer in Bama
God bless the people of Alabama...they're gonna need it
I haven't seen anything stating a cop ordered anyone to stop shooting.
Either way, the shooting apparently lasted about 6 seconds. I've been in a situation like this. Have you? That's pretty quick...but you can dump a LOT of rounds in 6 seconds. I can easily dump a 21 round magazine including one in the pipe in 6 seconds and be pretty freaking accurate at close range.
If you think that you can do it better, we're accepting applications.
It was reported by the police that he was firing at them during the pursuit.
Willingness to shoot at police offers matters greatly because it shows his intent to murder anyone who tries to stop him, that’s an imminent danger that needs to be stopped by any means necessary,
Don’t run from cops. Don’t shoot at cops. Don’t fight and resist arrest. Cooperate and get a lawyer or public defender and don’t get filled with lead.
This isn’t racism.
60 shots from 9 cops.
You make it sound like one cop stood over his body and just loaded clip after clip.
Its a lot but you can squeeze 7 rounds off a semi auto pistol in 3-5 seconds.
That will probably be the key to this case. If the evidence shows that he fired his weapon during the pursuit, that part of the case is over (reasonable belief that he was a threat).
A politician will probably try to make a stink about the number of rounds fired but given that there were 8 or 9 officers on scene (I've heard both numbers) firing, the number of rounds fired is more reasonable.
BTW, the expression that we've heard in this thread..."you're responsible for every round that leaves your barrel"...means that you'd better make sure of what you hit and know the backdrop behind your target. If you kill a kid behind your target, that's a different kettle of fish. In such a case, you'd better be able to show that not shooting would have caused several people to die instead.
100% correct, I stand corrected.
Massive supporter of the 2nd Amendment and a gun owner, not a gun guy per se.
I can assure you I’m not ingnorant of proper storage, use and safety. But I’m not breaking down a 9mm pistol and cleaning it properly either.
Right and that’s why Biden taking about “shooting in the leg” is ridiculous.
But 67% of the rounds hit the target. You shoot 10 and hit 6 that’s not terrible.
And you’re right, if he never fired his gun - or they can’t prove they knew he had one - the story will change.
Still, stop when the cops pull you over stop and effigy comply whether you are white, black, purple, pink or rainbow colored.
That would be an astounding hit rate. Unless the range was super close, I'd struggle to buy that. That's one reason I'm doubting that they counted entry holes correctly.
If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'll clean your 9 for you.
Thanks
I have a Taurus I’d trust in an emergency. But my S&W acts like it has a crappy spring. If you don’t squeeze it hard AF the slide doesn’t return fully and it jams (round cattywompus in the slide/chamber area). Had it looked at and they said everything was ok, but my wife and kids can’t shoot it more than a few rounds.
Our main defense weapons are both revolvers because I don’t want leave a magazine spring compressed for extended periods. Might not be a valid concern, feels safer to my feeble mind. Metal fatigues.
The issue with your S&W could be one of several...
Could be a bent or broken ejector which is causing the shell casing to not eject properly. That doesn’t explain why a hard trigger squeeze would make a difference.
The hard trigger squeeze fix sounds like it might just be a bad trigger. It could also be build-up or even a tiny bit of rust near the chamber which is slowing the casing down as it ejects.
If I had to guess one thing, life on the line, I'd say a good cleaning would likely fix it. Try a different gunsmith perhaps.
As for the loaded magazine causing metal fatigue, I wouldn't worry too much about that. Eventually you're correct, it will...but that takes a long time. Those springs are built for that.
You need to learn how to clean your weapon. It should be ingrained in you after you fire it that before you get some chow or find a place to sleep out of the rain, your piece should be spotless.
A dirty gun can kill you.
It’s not the trigger squeeze it’s the amount of force on the grip.
If you hold it tightly enough it works well, if you pussyfoot it the next round doesn’t feed properly and it jams.
So it doesn't like limp wristing. Adjust your grip and alter your stance. There's nothing wrong with that gun.
That's what I was told.
Again, I can fire it with no issue. My wife and sons cannot. I wouldn't trust it in a pinch.
oh boo effin hoo- you take a shot at a cop and you will get filled with lead
How many white guys shoot at the cops when they are stopped? I do not care if he was green.....I am good with 60 bullet holes in him if he shot at the cops. This kind of action by the police protects our gene pool, and save MILLIONS in prisoner care
Back to the real world...hey lil dickey....wjat is your opinion on inflation, open borders, diesel fuel at $5.50 a gallon, the supply chain issues and the worse start to the stock market in 50 years? These are REAL issues that are what is TRULY important today...not cops killing someone that shoots at them. Do we put these cops in for a medal? I mean, if you were posting this because of your support for our LEO's...let us know!
It's a semi- automatic, the physics of its action and recoil require a firm grip. If your wife/sons can't fire it correctly, then it's too much gun for them. Buy them a heavier gun, or a smaller caliber, or both.
No offense, it's a Taurus. They make decent wheelguns but their semi-autos leave much to be desired.
After spending 10-15 minutes reading and making some comments here, I just realized that one of my life lessons was being proven right before my eyes. Democrats/lefties/fascists(whatever your preferred name you like to call them) ALWAYS side with America's enemies, and ALWAYS side with criminals over LEO's. This is ANOTHER reason I cannot stand a damn one of them. We LOVE America...they enjoy disrespecting her. We give the reasonable doubt to LEO's...they choose criminals. They are ALL scum.
My Taurus is flawless. I love that pistol.
The gun in question is a Smith and Wesson.
Blargh, my bust. Substitute Smith for Taurus and my opinion stays the same. My duty weapon as a transport officer was a Smith 5906 and it was a dog.
How can this be a racist execution by police?
The kid exited the vehicle…at night…wearing a ski mask.
How did they know he wasn’t white?…or a Pacific Islander?
The kid exited the vehicle…at night…wearing a ski mask.
How did they know he wasn’t white?…or a Pacific Islander?
GTFO with your logic, we have an agenda to push here.
Anytime it's a young black male (18-24) involved they will stop at nothing to pull the race card because it fits their agenda. The debilitating cause behind the continuing plight of young AAs is the lack of the black father/husband in the AA family structure. This was accomplished by the Democrats' war on the AA family going back to the 1950s-1960s even. Elimination and villfying black men from their families all but destroyed AA families a a whole. As a result, you have these uncontrollably dangerous young AAs wreaking havoc everywhere. Being easily manipulated by the elites regarding their plight in the country being caused by "white supremacists (i.e. Republican/conservative/patriotics). All the while being played by the true harbingers of their plight, the white liberal Democrats. It's despicable!😡
They will get their opportunity to defend their actions in a court of law. Until then we should wait for all of the evidence to be seen before judging.https://www.insider.com/jayland-walker-black-man-shot-akron-ohio-police-60-times-2022-7
Jayland Walker, a Black man killed by police in Ohio, was shot at least 60 times, bodycam footage shows: 'This is going to be a brutal video'
Hannah Getahun
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- Jayland Walker, a Black man killed by police in Ohio, was shot 60 times, a lawyer who viewed body camera footage said.
- Bobby DiCello described the video as "brutal" and an "unbelievable scene."
- Police in Akron said they shot Walker because his actions caused officers to "perceive he posed a deadly threat."
After a police pursuit over a traffic violation, Jayland Walker was shot 60 times by police in Akron, Ohio, a lawyer who watched body camera footage of the incident on Friday said.
Bobby DiCello, the attorney representing Walker's family, described the video as an "unbelievable scene." He also said the shower of 90 bullets from the officer's guns, which he estimated lasted six seconds, sounded like "a whole brick of fireworks going off."
The body camera footage will be released to the public on Sunday by police.
"This is going to be a brutal video. It's going to stir up some passion. It's going to make people uneasy," he told the Akron Beacon Journal.
The Akron Police Department released a statement Tuesday saying officers tried to pull 25-year-old Walker over for a traffic violation at 12:30 a.m. on June 28. Police said Walker refused to stop and drove off in his vehicle. A chase ensued and officers reported that a gun had gone off in the vehicle. The officers did not clarify how they knew a gunshot had went off.
DiCello said that when an officer reported the gunshot into the police radio "His voice doesn't get excited" and they continue to drive for several minutes.
DiCello also said his team has not been able to gather evidence that Walker pointed his gun at officers or that gunfire escaped his car. DiCello told The New York Times all of Walker's windows were intact after the fatal shooting.
Walker eventually hopped out of the vehicle and fled on foot. Police say that "actions by the suspect caused the officers to perceive he posed a deadly threat to them."
DiCello said that the body camera footage may dispute some of these claims.
"There is no stopping and turning around," DiCello said. "There's no making his hand into the shape of a gun. There's no holding his cellphone. He has nothing in his hands."
DiCello also said an investigation into Walker's death suggests he sustained 60-80 gunshot wounds and that his body was "riddled with bullets."
Officers in Akron were placed on administrative leave following Walker's death, the NYT reported.
Over the past week, residents of Akron have been protesting on behalf of Walker. During a Thursday press conference Walker's family described Jayland as a "sweet young man" and asked for transparency from authorities over the shooting.
"We love Jayland," Lajuana Walker Dawkins, Walker's aunt, said Thursday. "He was my skinny little nephew and we miss him. We just want some answers."
The Akron Police Department and DiCello did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
He sounds like a dream.Here’s a story that will excite Ray as he apparently loves dead cops:
As Eastern Kentucky mourns 3 officers killed in line of duty, questions and grief remain
A Kentucky town with 166 residents was rocked to its core Thursday night in the aftermath of a violent shooting.www.courier-journal.com
Right, the song empire by queensryche depicts this very scenario. How we turn a blind eye to the inner cities and continue to enslave minorities through drug dealing and gang affiliation.
I purchased a Taurus TH9, had not a single issue with that pistol other than it having a polymer frame.
Traded it in because I wanted to get a 1911 .45 ACP.
Trigger was not great but the gun performed very well.
I had no issue shooting it but my son had issues with FTE on that gun and the M18.
Plus the Taurus and the M18 are probably the easiest pistols I've ever broken down to clean.
The guy at the gun shop told him exactly what I told him, he was limp wristing it. Showed him how to take a stronger grip, which also helps with control of the firearm.
If I felt the need I would purchase another Taurus TH9 BUT I'm not a fan of polymer framed pistols which is why if I wanted to purchase another 9mm it is going to be a metal framed one, i.e., Beretta 92, IWI Jericho (steel framed), Springfield Armory, Colt (if I could afford one) or maybe even a Sig P226.
I'm old school when it comes to pistols, steel frames and external hammers all the way.
I just can’t believe we are 4 pages into this fiasco and no one has stated the obvious
I love my Taurus 45. I traded my old Colt for it. It never jams and shoots round after round without issues. My Colt would jam about every 3rd round fired.
I've heard of that but I've never actually seen it happen. Interesting.
The recoil spring must be tense AF.
You cannot go wrong with a Glock or a Sig. Palmetto Arms makes a Glock 17 clone now that seems to be a pretty good gun for the money.
So does Lone Wolf.
Really showed my age on that one, huh.
My duty weapon during my brief career as a LEO was a G22, so that should carbon date me too.
This is kind of cool. This thread started with a delusional rant and turned into an AR15 forum. 😂
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