Interesting comments about Gators coaches

[Gator Fever]

How many practices have they seen?

Hint: our practices are closed to the public.

Several former players who have had the chance to watch practices like Shane Matthews and Chris Doering have said Del Rio would have started ahead of Grier last year had he been eligible.

After Matthews comments in the past I don't take them too serious at all. If I remember right he kept making excuses for Muschamp until the writing was on the wall and kept talking up certain players also.

Not sure how Del Rio will do but Grier really only had a great 5 quarters before coming right back down to earth against Missouri and the Ole Miss game was more scheming that had their defense in disarray looking at it. Missouri was ready for our play calling and Grier didn't look great in that game.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Well, the Missouri game was a road game, only the second one of Grier's career. And his first on artificial turf.Even still, he threw for over 200 yards and better than 60% completion percentage. I was of the opinion that Grier was evolving into as damn good QB

 

[Gator Fever]

Well, the Missouri game was a road game, only the second one of Grier's career. And his first on artificial turf.Even still, he threw for over 200 yards and better than 60% completion percentage. I was of the opinion that Grier was evolving into as damn good QB

Missouri was one of those games that even though the ball was moved a little the offense wasn't effective.

Not saying he won't turn out real good. Basically just saying 5 quarters of play doesn't necessarily mean someone will turn out to be a great QB. Maybe he goes on to be a real good College/NFL QB etc but we just don't know now with that little bit of experience.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Well, it is academic now, at least from a Gator perspective.

 

[sadgator]

sad, some people just like to be miserable.

There is still good inside Michi, just bursting to come out, sadgator honestly feels this.

 

[sadgator]

Missouri was one of those games that even though the ball was moved a little the offense wasn't effective.

Not saying he won't turn out real good. Basically just saying 5 quarters of play doesn't necessarily mean someone will turn out to be a great QB. Maybe he goes on to be a real good College/NFL QB etc but we just don't know now with that little bit of experience.

Grier being a good QB and LDR being a good QB are not mutually exclusive things.

 

[46885]

I don't see why Grier won't be successful at WVU. and a year away from the game or longer helps QB's more than anyone to learn the game on film, I expect him to do great especially against some of those defenses they face...

 

[sadgator]

I don't see why Grier won't be successful at WVU.

Well...moonshine...just sayin'....

 

[Deathroll]

After Matthews comments in the past I don't take them too serious at all. If I remember right he kept making excuses for Muschamp until the writing was on the wall and kept talking up certain players also.

Not sure how Del Rio will do but Grier really only had a great 5 quarters before coming right back down to earth against Missouri and the Ole Miss game was more scheming that had their defense in disarray looking at it. Missouri was ready for our play calling and Grier didn't look great in that game.

I definitely do not remember Shane making excuses for Chump. Pat Dooley, yes, the Gatorcountry guys, yes but not Shane.

 

[Gator Fever]

I definitely do not remember Shane making excuses for Chump. Pat Dooley, yes, the Gatorcountry guys, yes but not Shane.

Maybe not making excuses but pumping more sunshine than almost the biggest ones on these message boards.

Muschamp hired one of the best staffs ever with getting Weiss. Muschamp got a real good one with Pease and Roper and he compared Roper to Spurrier after watching Spring practice prior to the 14 season. If you found Matthews anti Muschamp on something it was after the season already was a total mess from what I remember.

Matthews also predicted a real good 2014 season with Driskel lighting things up resulting in winning the SEC East.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Maybe not making excuses but pumping more sunshine than almost the biggest ones on these message boards.

Muschamp hired one of the best staffs ever with getting Weiss. Muschamp got a real good one with Pease and Roper and he compared Roper to Spurrier after watching Spring practice prior to the 14 season. If you found Matthews anti Muschamp on something it was after the season already was a total mess from what I remember.

Matthews also predicted a real good 2014 season with Driskel lighting things up resulting in winning the SEC East.

I have an overwhelming dislike for Chump. But I wonder what it would have been in Roper had been the initial OC when we had the Meyer speed still. Insteaf of running Demps amd Rainey between the tackles

 

[Gator Fever]

I have an overwhelming dislike for Chump. But I wonder what it would have been in Roper had been the initial OC when we had the Meyer speed still. Insteaf of running Demps amd Rainey between the tackles

Not sure but I do agree Roper wasn't the main issue. Muschamp and Driskel were imo.

 

[PacoGator19]

I have an overwhelming dislike for Chump. But I wonder what it would have been in Roper had been the initial OC when we had the Meyer speed still. Insteaf of running Demps amd Rainey between the tackles

I believe the best offense we had statistically under Muschamp was with Weis as our OC.

 

[PacoGator19]

Well, the Missouri game was a road game, only the second one of Grier's career. And his first on artificial turf.Even still, he threw for over 200 yards and better than 60% completion percentage. I was of the opinion that Grier was evolving into as damn good QB

...and Mizzou's defense last year was excellent, very underrated, they only gave up an average of 281 YPG and 13.6 PPG.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I believe the best offense we had statistically under Muschamp was with Weis as our OC.

I believe that, and that is impressive considering we cashed it in when Brantley went down

 

[TennesseeGator]

I believe the best offense we had statistically under Muschamp was with Weis as our OC.

Was that due to having some speed left over from the Meyer area.

I agree with Michi. Had Roper been the original OC with the speed backs, it would have been better vs Weis stats.

 

[sadgator]

sadgator refuses to admit that anything that existed at Florida during any point during the Muschamp era can in any conceivable way be described as "good," "better," or "best" relative to anything else.

For example:

Butch: "Man, watching this Weis offense sure is better than the terrible pain in my ass this gigantic hemmorhoid has been causing me over the past three weeks."

Scooter: "GTFO dude! Weis walks with a cane and sits on a cooler during games, and we haven't thrown a pass for over 9 yards in like the last 12 + quarters."

Butch: "Yeah, you're right, suffering from colossal hemmorhoids is way better."

 

[TennesseeGator]

The episodes of Scooter and Butch!

You need to get a weekly series going.

 

[tnole903]

I just thought it would be amusing to reflect on this pre-season thread.

 

[Gator Fever]

Glad I didn't think LDR was going to be real good for sure and reserved my judgment on that back then.

As far as the coaches this guy had some good insight on LDR not panning out ahead of time but he seems to like our coach a lot.

"“I love McElwain,” the coach said. “I think Jim will take over more of the offense, use more multiple formations. They’ve got to get a quarterback. Luke Del Rio is not the answer. He’s a great kid, but he’s not an SEC starter.”

I am pretty sure that has to be Kirby Smart because he would have been around McElwain for some years and seen LDR's limitations up close in practice.

 

[fsu939913]

While other long time posters and former players have stated he was better than Will Grier last year.

I think Grier was better. It is a small sample size and LDR still has time but Grier seemed to throw more accurately. Not saying he was great or anything but just hitting all the routes he seemed more effective. Could be due to competition or players around him.... but that is what it "seemed" to me.

 

[tnole903]

"“I love McElwain,” the coach said. “I think Jim will take over more of the offense, use more multiple formations. They’ve got to get a quarterback. Luke Del Rio is not the answer. He’s a great kid, but he’s not an SEC starter.”

I am pretty sure that has to be Kirby Smart because he would have been around McElwain for some years and seen LDR's limitations up close in practice.

I think you are probably right. I don't think Muschamp would have said it and who else knows the two of them?

 

[instaGATOR]

Shane and Doering are now 'paid entertainers,' so their opinions go into the stack with all of the other 'paid media-morons' at this point. Sorry guys.


With all of the injuries that he was forced to tough-out and play through, it's about time that some Gator fans began to give John Brantley a bit of a break for what he did do as the Gator QB.
(and looking at the QB stats since then, maybe Driskel also deserves a bit of a break, and for many of the same kinds of reasons)

QB John Brantley - A rsSr that passed for 4,750 yards and 30 TD's as a Gator. He completed 398-of-645 passes for 61.7%… Finished his career with a PER of 133.33.

~ In 2010, he had a streak of 157 passes without an interception, the 2nd longest such streak in UF history. He also had a TD reception from TE Jordan Reed.

~ In 2011, he was 144-of-240 on the season with 2,044 yards, 11 TD's and a completion percentage of 60.0. He had a 140.83 PER at the end of his rsSr season. He recorded the highest QB rating of his career against Alabama, 176.6, when he threw for 190 yards off 11 completions and topped it off with a 65-yard TD pass to Andre Debose.
>>> He then led the Gators to a 24-17 victory over Ohio State in the TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl, completing 12-of-16 passes, 75% for 132 yards and tallying one TD pass to Deonte Thompson.

And John's UF career was certainly negatively impacted by his many injuries, including:
Oct. 2010 hair-line fractures in 4 ribs, a fractured thumb on his throwing hand and he developed an over extended shoulder while attempting to compensate for the injured ribs, all @ LSU.
Oct. 2011 he went out with a high ankle sprain vs Bama. Next he left the field with his R-arm wrapped in an ice pack in the VU game.

Most fans will never know or understand the extent of his injuries or the pain that he played through to be the Gator QB. Try a mile in his shoes sometime....

 

[tnole903]

I think Grier was better. It is a small sample size and LDR still has time but Grier seemed to throw more accurately. Not saying he was great or anything but just hitting all the routes he seemed more effective. Could be due to competition or players around him.... but that is what it "seemed" to me.

Grier was equally wild and inaccurate. But he had a much stronger arm and a penchant for pulling big plays out of his ***. When it happens frequently, it is more than just luck. He was a bit of an enigma. I never could understand why he could not be more consistent, bc he definitely flashed the ability now and again.

 

[fsu939913]

Grier was equally wild and inaccurate. But he had a much stronger arm and a penchant for pulling big plays out of his ***. When it happens frequently, it is more than just luck. He was a bit of an enigma. I never could understand why he could not be more consistent, bc he definitely flashed the ability now and again.

But at least he "flashed". He completed 66% of his passes and had 10td to only 3 picks. FWIW his completion percentage was higher than Francois. He wasn't perfect but at least he was competent and could hit a 10 yard out right when the defender is no where around. Appleby and Treon could not.

LDR completed 57% of his passes and had 8tds and 8 picks. I would say Greir played better

 

[instaGATOR]

So, how bad is the reFSUcks snore-rant board really?

Two criminole's are discussing Gator QB's, and they are doing so on the Gator's board instead of their own.
Marvelous....

 

[tnole903]

sad, some people just like to be miserable.

It might be time to admit that Michi has been right all along....just a 3rd party outsider's view.

 

[oozie7]

But at least he "flashed". He completed 66% of his passes and had 10td to only 3 picks. FWIW his completion percentage was higher than Francois. He wasn't perfect but at least he was competent and could hit a 10 yard out right when the defender is no where around. Appleby and Treon could not.

LDR completed 57% of his passes and had 8tds and 8 picks. I would say Greir played better

Grier had Manziel type potential. And he did flash on occasion, but that's about really all you can say. And I doubt he would have reached his full potential under this OC anyways. Grier was a true dual threat and how many designed runs did we call for him? A handful? That would have made his passing even more deadly.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Grier had Manziel type potential. And he did flash on occasion, but that's about really all you can say. And I doubt he would have reached his full potential under this OC anyways. Grier was a true dual threat and how many designed runs did we call for him? A handful? That would have made his passing even more deadly.

Mac and Nuss wiuldn't have a clue what to do with a quality dual threat QB. We would be having Lamar Jackson take three step dropa and throw 5 yard outs to the TE

 

[MJWilliamson]

It might be time to admit that Michi has been right all along....just a 3rd party outsider's view.

It might be time for you and your piece of crap brethren to stay away.

Just a suggestion

 

[fsu939913]

Grier had Manziel type potential. And he did flash on occasion, but that's about really all you can say. And I doubt he would have reached his full potential under this OC anyways. Grier was a true dual threat and how many designed runs did we call for him? A handful? That would have made his passing even more deadly.

Similar to francois for fsu this year. We rarely called designed runs until the boston college game. Maybe once or twice a game. The reason was he was getting killed by the lookout blocks from the 5 retards we have playing o line. Once we found that double counter play, we started running the other way with the qb. Was the o line/pass protection a problem? Maybe worried about getting him hurt? Do they not want to "show" it until later? Im just asking cuz im not really sure. Jimbo does some weird stuff that makes u scratch your head a little as well. Someone like meyer uses a dual threat to their full potential

 

[46885]

and JT barrett hasn't been big enough his whole career to do it, that's why he has 6 knee braces on at this point and is afraid of getting hit... about a month ago he was missing a lot of throws out of fear of getting hit in the pocket, they put together an entire reel of him doing it...

 

[93nole99]

It might be time for you and your piece of crap brethren to stay away.

Just a suggestion

Maybe there should be a "safe place" board for those easily offended.