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[MJWilliamson]

It is always good to interject a few facts into the discussion about Grier and Harris


Will Grier #7


G-- Att- Comp Pct. - Yards- Yards/Att- TD- Int - Rating - Att/G- Yards/G
6-- 161 106 65.8--- 1204-- 7.5------- ---10----3-- 145.43----26.8 ------- 200.7

Treon Harris

G-- Att- Comp- Pct-. Yards- Yards/Att - TD -Int -Rating- Att/G - Yards/G
12 -- 235 -119 --50.6 - 1676 -- 7.1-------- 9 ----6 ---118.08- 19.6 139.7


To even remotely suggest that Harris was in the same zip code compared to Grier is a bit silly.

 

[46885]

Because you say so doesn't make it true. You'd be saying the exact same thing about QB's like Sims and Marshall if they weren't put in systems tailored for them. Every weakness you think Harris has they have and then some, as I've already pointed out with facts. Marshall was so good they let him throw 11 times per game, but you guys are in here telling me there's nothing the coaches could have done or how they have some skill set Harris apparently doesn't have. LOL oooook.

When Sims and Marshall threw it was much much better and accurate than when Harris did, Marshall did just fine through the air against a good FSU defense in the NC game. He was capable of making throws but they ran the ball much more because 1. They could and had a good OL and were churning people up with the run game and 2. Because that's what Malzahns system does to set up the easy throws off of it in PA.

Short fields due to turnovers had more to do with UF's success when Grier was quarterback than anything else.

Griers drive at the end of the half against Ole Miss for 95+ was about what Treon did in any one game in just one drive stats wise, he was like 7/7 for 80 or more yards and a TD that was a perfect read and throw on a hot drag in the middle of the defense. He knew what he was seeing pre snap and adjusted our blocking to it and knew blitzes were coming and got it out of his hands quickly most snaps making the right easy college reads. Something that doesn't take much but for guys like Harris it's impossible, and he was able to make throws over the middle that Harris couldn't because he is so short. Grier was much better than harris and is the first QB we've had that could check us out of disasters and make more out of what we had on the field because of his reads and formation/protection audibles. Grier did more good things then I think most here noticed, but we still had bad protection and bad drops at the WR position mixed with RB's that couldn't block in blitz protections. I watched each game film extensively during the season, treon was so bad I stopped doing it because there was simply nothing to see but him missing the first read, 2nd, 3rd then run and do nothing or throw it to the other team or lob up a jackpot ball for 300. Grier made the defenses pay for blitzing him or playing zone like the end of the UT game in the 4th quarter, he was getting slightly better and the last game he played was just us sitting on it pretty much because we were playing a good defense and ours was completely owning theirs as bad as a team can in modern day football.

 

[NavigatorII]

Hard to defend McE and Nuss for not changing the offense. Especially when they had the chance. Not sure why they were not going to more of a read option, where there was an actual read and possibility of the QB keeping the ball.

I saw the McE offense and overall liked it when it had a QB suited for it under center. I think he will be a fine coach for Florida. But, as others have said, great coaches make adjustments when necessary. The only adjustments that the coaching staff made was to dial the offense down a few notches. Which just about guaranteed failure.

I don't know how you switch to the read option midseason. That would have played to Treon's strengths (legs) but how long would the learning curve to scrap the offense and learn a new one that had been worked on since spring training been? I don't know. The offensive line was marginal (putting it nicely) to begin with, now learn new blocking schemes? I don't know the answer to that. I do know if UF fields a good line and quarterback this offense will work. We a few glimpses of that, however brief. Treon simply wasn't going to succeed in this brand of offense, but there was nowhere else to turn. The situation was just as bad as the year Skyler Mornhinweg was forced into a starting role. We would have been lucky to have him this year.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I don't know how you switch to the read option midseason. That would have played to Treon's strengths (legs) but how long would the learning curve to scrap the offense and learn a new one that had been worked on since spring training been? I don't know.

I do not know either. I do know that Meyer was able to change the offense in two weeks in his first year when Leak was the QB.

Also, many of our runs are from the shotgun where it looks like there is a read option. Treon almost never kept the ball.

 

[BayAreaGator]

Griers drive at the end of the half against Ole Miss for 95+ was about what Treon did in any one game in just one drive stats wise, he was like 7/7 for 80 or more yards and a TD that was a perfect read and throw on a hot drag in the middle of the defense. He knew what he was seeing pre snap and adjusted our blocking to it and knew blitzes were coming and got it out of his hands quickly most snaps making the right easy college reads. Something that doesn't take much but for guys like Harris it's impossible, and he was able to make throws over the middle that Harris couldn't because he is so short. Grier was much better than harris and is the first QB we've had that could check us out of disasters and make more out of what we had on the field because of his reads and formation/protection audibles. Grier did more good things then I think most here noticed, but we still had bad protection and bad drops at the WR position mixed with RB's that couldn't block in blitz protections. I watched each game film extensively during the season, treon was so bad I stopped doing it because there was simply nothing to see but him missing the first read, 2nd, 3rd then run and do nothing or throw it to the other team or lob up a jackpot ball for 300. Grier made the defenses pay for blitzing him or playing zone like the end of the UT game in the 4th quarter, he was getting slightly better and the last game he played was just us sitting on it pretty much because we were playing a good defense and ours was completely owning theirs as bad as a team can in modern day football.

And he was just getting started. Lighting up Ole Miss like it was a video game in only his 3rd SEC start. Not to mention, he didn't fold like a cheap tent when we NEEDED a drive. He was figuring it out...Where he would have been by the end of the season...Everyone saw he has all of the tools and intangibles. He, unlike another, was ascending but some like to cast their spotlight on his 2 SEC road games, in a dogged effort to convince us THAT was the real Grier.

 

[oozie7]

And he was just getting started. Lighting up Ole Miss like it was a video game in only his 3rd SEC start. Not to mention, he didn't fold like a cheap tent when we NEEDED a drive. He was figuring it out...Where he would have been by the end of the season...Everyone saw he has all of the tools and intangibles. He, unlike another, was ascending but some like to cast their spotlight on his 2 SEC road games, in a dogged effort to convince us THAT was the real Grier.

As usual, the facts don't support your argument. First, the Ole Miss game showed both the good and bad of this offense. We shocked them early and then were shut down the rest of the game. We had 58 yards after half time. Where have we seen the lack of ability to counter after the half before? Hmmmmm

And the following week we played a poor Mizzou team and got held to 14 offensive points. So no, the offense was not 'ascending.' we had two good quarters and then went right back to sucking.

 

[oozie7]

It is always good to interject a few facts into the discussion about Grier and Harris


Will Grier #7


G-- Att- Comp Pct. - Yards- Yards/Att- TD- Int - Rating - Att/G- Yards/G
6-- 161 106 65.8--- 1204-- 7.5------- ---10----3-- 145.43----26.8 ------- 200.7

Treon Harris

G-- Att- Comp- Pct-. Yards- Yards/Att - TD -Int -Rating- Att/G - Yards/G
12 -- 235 -119 --50.6 - 1676 -- 7.1-------- 9 ----6 ---118.08- 19.6 139.7


To even remotely suggest that Harris was in the same zip code compared to Grier is a bit silly.

I do not think Space's point was that Harris is close to Grier or that the offense was better with Harris. Harris isn't and that clearly played out as the season continued. Space correctly stated that our early season success had much more to do with turnovers and defense giving our offense short fields than anything else. At the time of Grier's suspension our offense was 70+ in the country, which is hardly good. And we would have lost both the Uk and Mizzou games if not for our defense turning them over and giving us short fields. People's recall of what was actually happening those first 6 games is mostly fueled by nostalgia.

 

[oozie7]

And once again idk why this has turned into a Grier vs. Harris debate. Anything to distract away from the poor job done offensively by the coaches I guess. Apparently, there are still Gator fans arguing that Harris is a capable QB. Oh wait...

 

[MJWilliamson]

At the time of Grier's suspension our offense was 70+ in the country, which is hardly good.

But that is light years ahead of 2014 and 2015. And much better than it was with Treon.

 

[PacoGator19]

We didn't need to do anything in the 2nd half of the Ole Miss game. The game was over at halftime. I believe we won the 2nd half anyways against Ole Miss.

 

[oozie7]

We didn't need to do anything in the 2nd half of the Ole Miss game. The game was over at halftime. I believe we won the 2nd half anyways against Ole Miss.

That isn't the reason we couldn't move the ball. Yes the game was over BUT we could not run the ball. They held us to around 2 ypc in the first half and the second half was just as bad. So when we tried to run out the clock in the second half we just got stuffed repeatedly and couldn't move the ball. But it's not as if we tried to sit on the ball either, we had 10 pass attempts and 4 of them were deep shots.

 

[MJWilliamson]

That isn't the reason we couldn't move the ball. Yes the game was over BUT we could not run the ball. They held us to around 2 ypc in the first half and the second half was just as bad. So when we tried to run out the clock in the second half we just got stuffed repeatedly and couldn't move the ball. But it's not as if we tried to sit on the ball either, we had 10 pass attempts and 4 of them were deep shots.

We had two drives in the second half that yielded less than 50 yards, but chewed up around 8 minutes of clock. When your team is ahead by 38 points, you can do that. In fact, you should do that.

I am in your camp regarding the coaching performance when Treon took over. The coaches inability or unwillingness to adjusting the offense to try and win at least one of those final three games is very troubling.

But I think you have far too pessimistic view of the performance of the offense with Grier. Yes, the offense struggled at times. A lot of times. That happens with a first year starter behind a very thin, inexperienced and not highly talented OL. Plus we had only one legitimate SEC receiver.

 

[oozie7]

We had two drives in the second half that yielded less than 50 yards, but chewed up around 8 minutes of clock. When your team is ahead by 38 points, you can do that. In fact, you should do that.

I am in your camp regarding the coaching performance when Treon took over. The coaches inability or unwillingness to adjusting the offense to try and win at least one of those final three games is very troubling.

But I think you have far too pessimistic view of the performance of the offense with Grier. Yes, the offense struggled at times. A lot of times. That happens with a first year starter behind a very thin, inexperienced and not highly talented OL. Plus we had only one legitimate SEC receiver.

Go review the second half. We took multiple shots down field, we weren't trying to sit on the ball. Even if we were though, our incompetence running the ball didn't allow us too, which is why we barely got 50 yards. You aren't making the argument that was by design are you? Because if it were, that would defeat the entire purpose of the trying to play keep away.

And I wasn't pessimistic about Grier. There are multiple threads I started during that time praising Grier and sharing my excitement about his future. I just hate all the nostalgia about what the offense was during that time. Almost all of it incorrect. People were so starved for competence on offense that people are legitimately trying to argue an offense ranked around 80th is good, all because it fits the narrative many on here are perpetuating.

My record on the issue has been consistent. Before the season I wanted both to play until one separated. After UT I said Grier should start barring injury. And during that time I was just as critical of Nuss and the offense in general. Can't say the same for others.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I do not know either. I do know that Meyer was able to change the offense in two weeks in his first year when Leak was the QB.

Also, many of our runs are from the shotgun where it looks like there is a read option. Treon almost never kept the ball.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a small difference between Mac and Meyer

 

[Dannygator1989]

Meyer installing a pro style is different than Mac trying to install a read option.

Meyer was basically reinstating an offense that those players had ran their whole careers. That's quite a bit different than trying to install a read option more than half way through the season when those players haven't played in it during their college careers.

Also, it wasn't until November when things started getting bad. Do you really take on that endeavor with a handful of games to go?

 

[GatorNation79]

Because you say so doesn't make it true. You'd be saying the exact same thing about QB's like Sims and Marshall if they weren't put in systems tailored for them. Every weakness you think Harris has they have and then some, as I've already pointed out with facts. Marshall was so good they let him throw 11 times per game, but you guys are in here telling me there's nothing the coaches could have done or how they have some skill set Harris apparently doesn't have. LOL oooook.

Bro I don't get why you constantly defend Treon and bash the coaching staff as if Mac some how held back Treon because he wanted to just run his system ...it doesn't matter how many times you say it Treon isn't going to be good in any system... he's a good kid and I like him but he's highly inconsistent...he'll make some good plays and then a bunch of bad ones but our lack of production this year also had a lot to do with the offensive line. That can't be ignored. However after Grier went out our playbook went to half of what it was... one thing that Treon cannot do is he can't I anticipate an open receiver. Treon has to see the receiver open before he even throws the ball. A good QB will throw that ball on time before the receiver is even open and that is what Grier did really well, that's what good QB'S do. When you have that kind of talent throwing the ball that way it opens things up in a major way. If we had Grier coming back next year I will be a lot more optimistic but we don't really know what we have coming in with these freshman quarterbacks but what we do know is that Treon is not very good...he isn't going to get much better. He definitely is not going to win us a conference championship. I don't even know how you could possibly argue that he's capable. You make a lot of really good points on this board but you're way off on this one. Sorry man but Treon is never going to be a very good QB...the kid simply can't do the job.

 

[PacoGator19]

We outscored Ole Miss in the 2nd half 13-10. We beat them in the 2nd half when we didn't even have to really play.

Again I'm not sure why anybody thinks a 5'9 180lb Treon Harris would be successful in a read option offense. What skill does Harris possess that makes you think he would be successful even running that offense?

Don't forget we recruited Harris and took Harris as a QB. Nobody else did. There is a reason for that. Muschamp and his staff went all out for Harris and a kid that can't even play QB.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Go review the second half.

I did. There were some shots down the field. We were trying to move the ball and score. But there were also those time consuming drives that yielded almost no yards but consumed a lot of clock.

I have no idea why it sounds like you so invested in "omg the McE offense sucks so much, even with Grier was in there" meme. Even as you claim you are not doing that. So before you once again accuse me of a straw man, please review who started this thread, and the intent of the thread.

 

[MJWilliamson]

In case you haven't noticed, there is a small difference between Mac and Meyer

Small?

I am not of the opinion the Mac is a bad hire. Apparently unlike you.

 

[GatorNation79]

Small?

I am not of the opinion the Mac is a bad hire. Apparently unlike you.

Mac and his staff did the impossible this year...NOBODY in this board or anywhere thought that 10 wins was possible and to make the SEC Championship game non the less. ..now some people are acting as if Mac "held Treon back" or maybe he's not "the guy"...honestly some if this talk is straight hilarious. Mac did a damn miracle with this team this year and recruiting is going really well. Go back 12 months and see how far we have come. I'm not saying that Mac is Meyer or Saban but the man deserves a hell of a lot of credit imo.

 

[Nolec]

It is always good to interject a few facts into the discussion about Grier and Harris


Will Grier #7


G-- Att- Comp Pct. - Yards- Yards/Att- TD- Int - Rating - Att/G- Yards/G
6-- 161 106 65.8--- 1204-- 7.5------- ---10----3-- 145.43----26.8 ------- 200.7

Treon Harris

G-- Att- Comp- Pct-. Yards- Yards/Att - TD -Int -Rating- Att/G - Yards/G
12 -- 235 -119 --50.6 - 1676 -- 7.1-------- 9 ----6 ---118.08- 19.6 139.7


To even remotely suggest that Harris was in the same zip code compared to Grier is a bit silly.

The pass defense of the 6 teams Grier faced averaged 65 th, while Harris' opponents averaged as 25 th. in the nation. Could account for some statistical difference in the # above.

 

[MJWilliamson]

When a nole comes over here to defend Harris and denigrate Grier, that should tell you something

 

[MJWilliamson]

Mac and his staff did the impossible this year...NOBODY in this board or anywhere thought that 10 wins was possible and to make the SEC Championship game non the less. ..now some people are acting as if Mac "held Treon back" or maybe he's not "the guy"...honestly some if this talk is straight hilarious. Mac did a damn miracle with this team this year and recruiting is going really well. Go back 12 months and see how far we have come. I'm not saying that Mac is Meyer or Saban but the man deserves a hell of a lot of credit imo.

Yep

 

[PacoGator19]

Grier is by no means some star but he is very talented and was just a freshmen and has a high ceiling. He's made some bad personal decisions, which sure enough so has Treon Harris.

Can anybody honestly say that Harris does anything better than Grier? Does Harris possess any QB skill set that is better than Grier?

 

[Nolec]

When a nole comes over here to defend Harris and denigrate Grier, that should tell you something

Like you stated " It's always good to interject some facts into the discussion"

 

[NavigatorII]

Like you stated " It's always good to interject some facts into the discussion"

So you have some? The fact is, Noles were wetting the bed when Grier was starting in anticipation of the annual year end game. To deny this fact is intellectually dishonest. So don't go there.

 

[46885]

Grier is by no means some star but he is very talented and was just a freshmen and has a high ceiling. He's made some bad personal decisions, which sure enough so has Treon Harris.

Can anybody honestly say that Harris does anything better than Grier? Does Harris possess any QB skill set that is better than Grier?

maybe elusiveness with his feet once they take off, but Grier can run too..

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

Mac and his staff did the impossible this year...NOBODY in this board or anywhere thought that 10 wins was possible and to make the SEC Championship game non the less. ..now some people are acting as if Mac "held Treon back" or maybe he's not "the guy"...honestly some if this talk is straight hilarious. Mac did a damn miracle with this team this year and recruiting is going really well. Go back 12 months and see how far we have come. I'm not saying that Mac is Meyer or Saban but the man deserves a hell of a lot of credit imo.

QFT

 

[Nolec]

So you have some? The fact is, Noles were wetting the bed when Grier was starting in anticipation of the annual year end game. To deny this fact is intellectually dishonest. So don't go there.

So you have some? The fact is, Noles were wetting the bed when Grier was starting in anticipation of the annual year end game. To deny this fact is intellectually dishonest. So don't go there.

Did you read post #61. All I stated was stats. Then you proceed to declare your questionable opinion as a fact because you stated it. Priceless. Since Grier faced an avg. of #62 ranked pass defenses and got 200 yds/ game, it may be a stretch to claim FSU with the 16th ranked pass def. was trembling. UF's defense was certainly of more concern statistically.

 

[oozie7]

When all else fails, change the point of discussion and use a straw man. Again, who in here is arguing that Harris is better than Grier or that the offense is better off without Grier? Some of you are like women.

 

[oozie7]

Bro I don't get why you constantly defend Treon and bash the coaching staff as if Mac some how held back Treon because he wanted to just run his system ...it doesn't matter how many times you say it Treon isn't going to be good in any system... he's a good kid and I like him but he's highly inconsistent...he'll make some good plays and then a bunch of bad ones but our lack of production this year also had a lot to do with the offensive line. That can't be ignored. However after Grier went out our playbook went to half of what it was... one thing that Treon cannot do is he can't I anticipate an open receiver. Treon has to see the receiver open before he even throws the ball. A good QB will throw that ball on time before the receiver is even open and that is what Grier did really well, that's what good QB'S do. When you have that kind of talent throwing the ball that way it opens things up in a major way. If we had Grier coming back next year I will be a lot more optimistic but we don't really know what we have coming in with these freshman quarterbacks but what we do know is that Treon is not very good...he isn't going to get much better. He definitely is not going to win us a conference championship. I don't even know how you could possibly argue that he's capable. You make a lot of really good points on this board but you're way off on this one. Sorry man but Treon is never going to be a very good QB...the kid simply can't do the job.

More strawmen. GAMES ago I said I was done with Treon. I can think the staff didn't do a good job with managing the offense with him and also think he's not good enough, the two aren't mutually exclusive no matter how you people try to portray it that way. And FTR, many of the same criticisms of the offense I touched on when Grier was starting. Of course nobody had an issue with it then because I was defending Grier. Funny how that works.

 

[oozie7]

We outscored Ole Miss in the 2nd half 13-10. We beat them in the 2nd half when we didn't even have to really play.

Again I'm not sure why anybody thinks a 5'9 180lb Treon Harris would be successful in a read option offense. What skill does Harris possess that makes you think he would be successful even running that offense?

Don't forget we recruited Harris and took Harris as a QB. Nobody else did. There is a reason for that. Muschamp and his staff went all out for Harris and a kid that can't even play QB.

You keep pointing out his height and weight as if other coaches all over the country aren't managing to do the same with similar players. And purposefully misconstruing height/weight at that. He isn't 5'9, 180. But even if he was, so what?

How big is Greg Ward at Houston? He switched between receiver and DB the last two years and in one season Herman inserted him at QB and had one of the more dynamic offenses in the country. He's 5'10, 170 and I know that for a fact because I helped scout him during the 2014 season. How big is Treyvone Boykin? I've already pointed out to you Sims at Bama who was shorter, less athletic, and every bit the bad passer Harris was and somehow Kiffin made it work. It's funny how all these guys who lack 'skills' are somehow succeeding.

Also, your info is just flat out wrong. Malzahn, Rich Rod, and Fisher offered Harris as a QB.

 

[oozie7]

I did. There were some shots down the field. We were trying to move the ball and score. But there were also those time consuming drives that yielded almost no yards but consumed a lot of clock.

I have no idea why it sounds like you so invested in "omg the McE offense sucks so much, even with Grier was in there" meme. Even as you claim you are not doing that. So before you once again accuse me of a straw man, please review who started this thread, and the intent of the thread.

That was not the intent of the thread, though you and others are free to interpret it that way. The point is Grier is being made a scapegoat for the lack of performance in general for this team. That the offense wasn't lighting up the scoreboard with him is a direct counter to all the scapegoating and excusing of the coaches. It's very easy to see through articles like the one posted in OP. Me pointing that out is me investing energy in 'bashing the staff' meanwhile you guys ignore facts to perpetuate of false narrative of 'OMG offense with Grier so elite' to continue to scapegoat Grier, Harris, and any and every body but the guys responsible for the offense and I'M the problem. Ok.

 

[MJWilliamson]

maybe elusiveness with his feet once they take off, but Grier can run too..

I think Grier had better overall speed than Harris

 

[MJWilliamson]

That was not the intent of the thread, though you and others are free to interpret it that way. The point is Grier is being made a scapegoat for the lack of performance in general for this team.

I agree with that. The performance of the coaching staff after he left is troubling.

Me pointing that out is me investing energy in 'bashing the staff' meanwhile you guys ignore facts to perpetuate of false narrative of 'OMG offense with Grier so elite' to continue to scapegoat Grier, Harris, and any and every body but the guys responsible for the offense and I'M the problem. Ok.

I think there might be a bit of hyperbole at both ends of that spectrum. Hyperbole that we all might have participated in at one time or another.

But I think most people know that the offense was better with Grier, and perhaps on the way to being much better. That point of view is a long way from "omg offense with Grier so elite." And most people know that the coaching staff performed poorly with Harris at the helm, particularly in the bowl game. So that point of view is not quite "bashing the staff" either.

 

[oozie7]

I agree with that. The performance of the coaching staff after he left is troubling.



I think there might be a bit of hyperbole at both ends of that spectrum. Hyperbole that we all might have participated in at one time or another.

But I think most people know that the offense was better with Grier, and perhaps on the way to being much better. That point of view is a long way from "omg offense with Grier so elite." And most people know that the coaching staff performed poorly with Harris at the helm, particularly in the bowl game. So that point of view is not quite "bashing the staff" either.

Well then you and I are on the same page. As I said many weeks ago, Treon needs to switch positions or go somewhere with a system better catered to him. And he no doubt hampered the offense some. But the overall lack of performance is troubling and that's directly on coaching. So many people try to excuse away all that by pointing to one player which is just baffling to me. Especially when you take into consideration the failure in other areas, like special teams. Our fakes are so telegraphed it's comical. It was team-wide failure. Or having players quit in a bowl game. Idk how anybody couldn't have their eyebrows raised at this point and be looking deeper.

 

[MJWilliamson]

So many people try to excuse away all that by pointing to one player which is just baffling to me. Especially when you take into consideration the failure in other areas, like special teams. Our fakes are so telegraphed it's comical. It was team-wide failure. Or having players quit in a bowl game. Idk how anybody couldn't have their eyebrows raised at this point and be looking deeper.

I think what this portends is of some concern regarding the coaching staff. It seems that McE was not willing to change his offense to suit the talent at hand. If that is true, and I think it is true because he all but said that, that is very troubling. It will bear watching going forward. And I have no words regarding the bowl performance. That was just flat embarrassing.

I am with you regarding the special teams. They were awful, making the same mistakes over and over and over. I am not impressed with Greg Nord. Yesterday, there was some internet chatter about him being reassigned to a support staff position. I had some hope when I heard that. But sadly that chatter died down. I do not know if that means it was not true, or that McE is not ready to announce that change just yet. I hope it is the latter.

 

[oozie7]

I think what this portends is of some concern regarding the coaching staff. It seems that McE was not willing to change his offense to suit the talent at hand. If that is true, and I think it is true because he all but said that, that is very troubling. It will bear watching going forward. And I have no words regarding the bowl performance. That was just flat embarrassing.

I am with you regarding the special teams. They were awful, making the same mistakes over and over and over. I am not impressed with Greg Nord. Yesterday, there was some internet chatter about him being reassigned to a support staff position. I had some hope when I heard that. But sadly that chatter died down. I do not know if that means it was not true, or that McE is not ready to announce that change just yet. I hope it is the latter.

Yep. All of this. I think the only saving Grace for Nord is the play of the TE's, but everything else he manages is awful. I mean we attempted a fake where a backup defensive tackle tried to run for 9 yards. What??? Our staff looked clueless compared to Michigan's.

One thing I will say is that he looks like he's willing to make changes even after year 1. That's a good sign when it comes to not accepting failing units. We need a bit of a purge with staff and players.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Hire Tom Herman yesterday.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Hire Tom Herman yesterday.

Fire McE?