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Gavin Newsom suckers Calif. blacks again. "Reparations are more than cash payments"

If he were a man and not a liar, he would tell ME and this board "how I handle race". Since we only have written communication here of our thoughts and ideas, it should be very easy for him to access my written words and have him prove my anger toward blacks. He just makes up stuff that he either thinks people say or incorrectly infers what they say. He is a coward and only wants to run and hide after he makes his accusations. But none of this is new.
He's a troll. I learned years ago that my experience reading these boards is better if I stop taking trolls seriously. As soon as I discover that someone is a troll, I mentally tune them out and never take anything they say seriously. They are to be mocked and ridiculed, or blocked.

Does that mean I miss out on a rare honest attempt at discussion by one of them? Yes it does. But I'm ok with that.

My attention is valuable. Trolls cannot afford it.
 
So asking people who had no choice on the color of their skin to pay a tax to people who were never enslaved is a reasonable discussion IYO?

You do realize that reparations won't be paid for using "government money," right? Because they don't have any freaking money grandhaven. Further, even if this was a reasonable conversation, we couldn't possibly afford it.

It's an unreasonable conversation and it's sole purpose is to divide us. No thanks.
No - I am suggesting that if people wish to have that discussion on reparations that we have an open discussion.
What it will quickly get to, is that for reparations, to be fair, you need to have a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-country discussion that includes:

- Nigerians kingdoms and descendents paying reparations for capturing and selling slaves
- England, Portugal and Spain starting and facilitating the slave trade
- Of the 1619 project, the first 157 years (until 1776) the british need to pay
- Irish, Italians and Jewish people would need reparations in such a scheme
- Only US slaveholders should be "liable" in such a scheme
- Need to deduct the billions, if not trillions upon trillions already spent to date and in the future
- etc. etc. etc. etc.

Have that reasonable discussion and then when asian, hispanic, white, indian (from India) moderate, suburban, college educated women go "omg, that is simply ridiculous", then this comes to an end.
 
If he were a man and not a liar, he would tell ME and this board "how I handle race". Since we only have written communication here of our thoughts and ideas, it should be very easy for him to access my written words and have him prove my anger toward blacks. He just makes up stuff that he either thinks people say or incorrectly infers what they say. He is a coward and only wants to run and hide after he makes his accusations. But none of this is new.

He’s a millennial who lives and works in a grievance bubble created by people who need to continue selling a set of “facts” in order to remain relevant. I can understand that the world he and his peers live in is one made up by others older than him who fear a working which everyone gets up daily and has a life.
Some of us will have better lives than others of us. It’s called the real world.
 
I think she has a pretty good grasp on the history of reparation payments made in American history.

FWIW I disagreed with the payments to Japanese Americans as well. Were they treated harshly, unfairly and unconstitutionally? Absolutely...in a time of peril in a world war. There were in fact Japanese saboteurs in our midst and they even helped in planning the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Viewed though the lense of history, where we KNOW we were going to win the wars (yes...two of them simultaneously), it's easy to say that we reacted poorly. Viewed through the reality of January 1942, their actions seem more reasonable if not unfortunate...but yes, absolutely unconstitutional.
I respect your consistency on this.
 
He’s a millennial who lives and works in a grievance bubble created by people who need to continue selling a set of “facts” in order to remain relevant. I can understand that the world he and his peers live in is one made up by others older than him who fear a working which everyone gets up daily and has a life.
Some of us will have better lives than others of us. It’s called the real world.
Kalim doesn't practice in grievance. That's the far left and extreme conservative white man. I am neither.
 
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Kalim doesn't practice in grievance. That's the far left and extreme conservative white man. I am neither.

I wonder if people telling you the truth changes you at all or are you just turning a blind eye to it all and still think you are Mr. right. How many people would it take to change your opinion? What would change it if inot people?
 
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No republican aligns with them tho. That's the difference. The dems aligned and PARTICIPATED in the kkk. Now they act like they didn't. No republican supports the kk. Dems went to kkk rallies, were friends with their grand wizards, ND some were even in the kkk.

I wonder if people telling you the truth changes you at all or are you just turning a blind eye to it all and still think you are Mr. right. How many people would it take to change your opinion? What would change it if inot people?
Some years ago, the very liberal Juan Williams, who is black, wrote a brutally honest book about Black America, entitled "Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America--And What We Can Do About it.

It was a NY Times bestseller providing the following synopsis:

"Half a century after brave Americans took to the streets to raise the bar of opportunity for all races, Juan Williams writes that too many black Americans are in crisis—caught in a twisted hip-hop culture, dropping out of school, ending up in jail, having babies when they are not ready to be parents, and falling to the bottom in twenty-first-century global economic competition.

Williams makes the case that while there is still racism, it is way past time for black Americans to open their eyes to the “culture of failure” that exists within their community. He raises the banner of proud black traditional values—self-help, strong families, and belief in God—that sustained black people through generations of oppression and flowered in the exhilarating promise of the modern civil rights movement. Williams asks what happened to keeping our eyes on the prize by proving the case for equality with black excellence and achievement.

Reinforcing his incisive observations with solid research and alarming statistical data, Williams offers a concrete plan for overcoming the obstacles that now stand in the way of African Americans’ full participation in the nation’s freedom and prosperity. Certain to be widely discussed and vehemently debated, Enough is a bold, perceptive, solution-based look at African American life, culture, and politics today."

My question is how much is the democrat party really helping Black America?
 
The two biggest facors that would help black children, imo, are a solid family structure and a solid education. So the democrats fight school choice to keep these kids in crappy schools. Much more concerned about keeping power with the teachers union than lookin' out for the kids.

Do dem leaders ever talk about the breakdown of the black family? No. Too uncomfortable to talk about a 75% out of wedlock birth rate.

So a black boy is born in Baltimore with no father and a crappy public school. Absolute recipe for poverty, a gang or jail.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts and you're offended.
 
I wonder if people telling you the truth changes you at all or are you just turning a blind eye to it all and still think you are Mr. right. How many people would it take to change your opinion? What would change it if inot people?
Accepting a set of facts or circumstances that don’t align with your beliefs is often an insurmountable challenge.
Indoctrination is powerful especially when it’s repeated consistently by people and institutions we’re told are worthy of our respect and trust.


The phrase “my mind is made up so don’t confuse me with the facts” Is popular for a reason.
 
And you don't?

You propped up E Jean Carroll cause a NY jury said Trump didn't rape her. She was your hero.

Then last night, this happened:



I tagged you last night and you had no comment.

So you are ok with racism against the black community....as long as it's from dems?

Bro. You just lost the right to question how anyone here views the black community.
These lefty garbage pretend to care about race. They care ZERO about that. Use it as a tool to achieve agendas
 
The two biggest facors that would help black children, imo, are a solid family structure and a solid education. So the democrats fight school choice to keep these kids in crappy schools. Much more concerned about keeping power with the teachers union than lookin' out for the kids.

Do dem leaders ever talk about the breakdown of the black family? No. Too uncomfortable to talk about a 75% out of wedlock birth rate.

So a black boy is born in Baltimore with no father and a crappy public school. Absolute recipe for poverty, a gang or jail.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts and you're offended.
Abortion is the number one killer of blacks.

Abortion rights is the #1 issue of the democratic party.

Any questions?
 
Orange’s remarks are front and center regarding a conversation American society seems afraid to have and it SHOULD apply to all groups.
Our society functions best built on solid families and shared values. Humans need a two parent familial structure and a consistency in which to grow and thrive.
 
Orange’s remarks are front and center regarding a conversation American society seems afraid to have and it SHOULD apply to all groups.
Our society functions best built on solid families and shared values. Humans need a two parent familial structure and a consistency in which to grow and thrive.
LBJ destroyed all that with his "Great Society" BS. He freely admitted that behind closed doors, all in the cause of buying a demographic block of votes. Sad that the crew from "The Swamp" won't admit that and move on. Yet here we still are.
 
LBJ destroyed all that with his "Great Society" BS. He freely admitted that behind closed doors, all in the cause of buying a demographic block of votes. Sad that the crew from "The Swamp" won't admit that and move on. Yet here we still are.
No poster here can name a single positive thing that dems have done for blacks.

I can name dozens they have done TO blacks.

A challenge to any dem here: Name ONE positive thing your party has done for blacks in your lifetime. And do it WITHOUT mentioning the republican party or any pub.
 
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I think she has a pretty good grasp on the history of reparation payments made in American history.

FWIW I disagreed with the payments to Japanese Americans as well. Were they treated harshly, unfairly and unconstitutionally? Absolutely...in a time of peril in a world war. There were in fact Japanese saboteurs in our midst and they even helped in planning the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Viewed though the lense of history, where we KNOW we were going to win the wars (yes...two of them simultaneously), it's easy to say that we reacted poorly. Viewed through the reality of January 1942, their actions seem more reasonable if not unfortunate...but yes, absolutely unconstitutional.
They were citizens and the government stole their land. They absolutely deserved immediate recompense for that. Meanwhile the German American Bund was goose stepping to Deutschland uber alles in Madison Square Garden and there were German spies caught in Maryland.
 
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They were citizens and the government stole their land. They absolutely deserved immediate recompense for that. Meanwhile the German American Bund was goose stepping to Deutschland uber alles in Madison Square Garden and there were German spies caught in Maryland.
There were also German spies who landed here off Jax on what is now Ponte Vedra, but they were soon caught.
The Japanese had a week or less to pack up and leave. Lock the doors of homes and businesses and report for the trains and busses to internment camps. Even native born Japanese Americans were treated as the enemy.
Upon their return home they found their houses and businesses had been appropriated by Caucasians and no recompense was given to them. I’m glad that they finally were made whole even if it took so many years.
Over in the east huge rallies of the German American Bund were held with little recourse, and the aviation hero Charles Lindbergh was leading the rallies.
Those of German heritage are the largest cultural heritage group in America. Eisenhower ain’t exactly an Irish name.
 
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There were also German spies who landed here off Jax on what is now Ponte Vedra, but they were soon caught.
The Japanese had a week or less to pack up and leave. Lock the doors of homes and businesses and report for the trains and busses to internment camps. Even native born Japanese Americans were treated as the enemy.
Upon their return home they found their houses and businesses had been appropriated by Caucasians and no recompense was given to them. I’m glad that they finally were made whole even if it took so many years.
Over in the east huge rallies of the German American Bund were held with little recourse, and the aviation hero Charles Lindbergh was leading the rallies.
Those of German heritage are the largest cultural heritage group in America. Eisenhower ain’t exactly an Irish name.

Those German spies arrived in Florida in a German submarine from Germany. They weren't American sleepers. One of them was actually a man who secretly hated the Nazi party and he turned himself in and helped the FBI capture the rest of his party.

The German American Bund had rallies in America prior to the start of WWII. The most famous one at Madison Square Gardens occurred 7 months prior to Germany's invasion of Poland.

Charles Lindbergh attempted to rejoin the Army Air Corp when the war began. As a private citizen he shot down a Japanese plane on a training flight (teaching American fighter pilots to conserve fuel) and participated in over 50 missions which somehow included bombing and strafing Japanese positions in the Pacific.
 
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They were citizens and the government stole their land. They absolutely deserved immediate recompense for that. Meanwhile the German American Bund was goose stepping to Deutschland uber alles in Madison Square Garden and there were German spies caught in Maryland.

I don't disagree with yours and goldmom's position here. I'm merely making the excuse that it was an extraordinary time in American history. As I said, I agree it was unconstitutional.
 
The German American Bund had rallies in America prior to the start of WWII. The most famous one at Madison Square Gardens occurred 7 months prior to Germany's invasion of Poland.
I'm aware but nobody was investigating them after. They were investigating former members of the Abraham Lincoln brigade as possible communists but strangely not the Bund.

speaking of tortured logic they just scooped up west coast Japanese and somehow one general and one Attorney General made the decision all on their own. The word I would use isn't tumultuous it's hysterical.
 
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You wonder how many American Japanese were actual spies...
Were Japanese descendants who lived in Hawaii interned there or were they shipped to the mainland? I’ve forgotten.
 
I'm aware but nobody was investigating them after. They were investigating former members of the Abraham Lincoln brigade as possible communists but strangely not the Bund.

speaking of tortured logic they just scooped up west coast Japanese and somehow one general and one Attorney General made the decision all on their own. The word I would use isn't tumultuous it's hysterical.

People were far more isolated culturally and “informationally”. Older Americans also didn’t necessarily have the literacy and levels of education we have today.
If you lived on the West Coast 80 years ago you were far more isolated from the goings on back east than today.
Movie newsreels supplied an important amount of current events and I think some of us would be surprised to learn that they provided the news but also often reinforced cultural stereotypes.
 
I'm aware but nobody was investigating them after. They were investigating former members of the Abraham Lincoln brigade as possible communists but strangely not the Bund.

speaking of tortured logic they just scooped up west coast Japanese and somehow one general and one Attorney General made the decision all on their own. The word I would use isn't tumultuous it's hysterical.

William Dudley Pelley, the leader of the American Bund, was actually convicted on 11 charges including sedition and insurrection.

I don't remember if other members were charged by my belief is yes, a few others were as well.

 
speaking of tortured logic they just scooped up west coast Japanese and somehow one general and one Attorney General made the decision all on their own.

I think FDR was involved too. I could be wrong but I want to say it was an EO or something along those lines.
 
Here's somebody who agrees with me on the lure (my word) of reparations. And if you don't like it, go argue with him. Or maybe you just don't want to hear the truth about Biden and democrats.

Descendant of slaves hits Biden’s lack of action on reparations: All we get is 'fish fries, feel-good dances'

 
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Here's somebody who agrees with me on the lure (my word) of reparations. And if you don't like it, go argue with him. Or maybe you just don't want to hear the truth about Biden and democrats.

Descendant of slaves hits Biden’s lack of action on reparations: All we get is 'fish fries, feel-good dances'

So you're saying it's a fair debate? 🤔
 
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