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I guess I am missing all of those lol. I'm def not on that crew's bandwagon.
Most what I see are the folks saying if we don't win 10 games this year we should fire Napier. Maybe we are on different sites
These were made post 2023 season... while I was arguing a coach at UF cant be going 6-6/7-5 three straight seasons at UF. Normally I would say you need a 9-3 pre-bowl record somewhere (not just an 8-4 record) by year 3 but with the SEC changing that can be pushed back a year.
"I'm hoping they let Billy run his operation and not look to make a determination on his status as head coach until the 2026 season is over. If the ship isn't full sail at that point then yes things will have to occur. I think we will be a very good program at that point. No coach comes in and wins a championship in a couple of years when you have to turn your roster over and install a complete new system from top to bottom within the organization. I know the right now attitude of our fans but changing coaches like pants isn't the answer."
"2026 thing is fantasy land but, you just can’t see 11-1’s, 10-2’s or the mythical 12-0’s with Texas and Oklahoma added and then you play LSU and FSU EVERY Year and your OOC has UCF and Miami also? I go to the current/future ncaaf schedule site and you look at some ACC, Big 10 and PAC 10 teams Schedules especially OOC and they are smart, playing for the playoff over a quality OOC lineup. I think at best I see 7-5 or 6-6’s the next 2 years with 5-7 or worse possible"
"I think most people would like to see what a long term coaching staff or army if you please can accomplish here, 3 to 4 years and out has been the main theme here. Now if we had an unlimited bankroll where we could but a veteran team every year I guess that the 3 year plan for a coach would be fair. You come in as a new coach inherit the coach they just fired players and have to try and get them to buy into your new system. As we have seen some just had to go. Then you recruit in an NIL world you have no control over and have to get them college ready and know for the most talented you have 3 years and their gone. Takes a good 4 to 5 years to field a complete team that you have brought here so that's where I come up with a 6 year sink or swim. I think he will be a swimmer if given that window."
"We had one coach right here that did that. Mullen won a couple of NY6 bowls and throttled UGA once but it did not last because he didn’t build a recruiting base or a character culture. I’ll wait a few years for that."
"If 2023 ends with the team at 6-6, give or take a game in either direction, there will be the usual yammer for Napier to be fired. But, he's going to be given 4 years+ to get things turned around. The 2024 class he's assembling is on track to be one of the best in Gator history."
In 2022, they went 6-7, 3-5 SEC with the #4 NFL draft pick QB-dt running the team.
Then he put in his home-boy xfer QB and got clobbered by OreSt in the bowl.
They did that with an excellent running game and an OL that was #2 in SEC in giving up sacks.
Miller time has looked so bad that he brought in yet another xfer QB that Wis was happy to see go.
Miller and Mertz split the 1st team reps in the Spring and managed just 17 pts in the O&B.
Now, go look up their final 2022 ranking positions on both offense and defense.
Pretty dismal imo and their W/L record confirms that.
That's what is leading to the current preseason chitty rankings.
Mertz has been rated the #13-14 QB in the SEC.
UF is picked to finish #5-6 in the SECe.
They have 2 average xfer QB's and an xfer WO QB
They have a Fr WO QB.
And they have a rsFr that's been mostly shoved to the side in favor of xfers,,,, SO FAR imo.
As slow as Billy has been in moving up to the SEC level, he seems to be finally waking up to the results of what he's done so far on offense. He seems to me to finally be taking a serious look at Brown.
Anyone that believe that Lagway is coming in as a true Fr and lighting up the world is delirious imo.
JMOHO, but in the HS film I've watched, Brown is a better QB-dt than Lagway is....
IF Max can take them to 7-8 wins with a decent bowl showing, that will give Lagway a little time (redshirt) to work on eventually becoming the starter. Best case imo, but we'll all soon see where they are going.
So fingers crossed.
PS - I've never claimed that Max will be the next Trask, but he doesn't have to be. Max just needs to be better than what I've seen so far from the 2 over-rated xfers..... Opinions will always vary, but 'Talking Season' is almost over...
And lastly,,, YOU ARE WHAT YOUR W/L RECORD SAYS YOU ARE.................
Then he put in his home-boy xfer QB and got clobbered by OreSt in the bowl.
They did that with an excellent running game and an OL that was #2 in SEC in giving up sacks.
Miller time has looked so bad that he brought in yet another xfer QB that Wis was happy to see go.
Miller and Mertz split the 1st team reps in the Spring and managed just 17 pts in the O&B.
Now, go look up their final 2022 ranking positions on both offense and defense.
Pretty dismal imo and their W/L record confirms that.
That's what is leading to the current preseason chitty rankings.
Mertz has been rated the #13-14 QB in the SEC.
UF is picked to finish #5-6 in the SECe.
They have 2 average xfer QB's and an xfer WO QB
They have a Fr WO QB.
And they have a rsFr that's been mostly shoved to the side in favor of xfers,,,, SO FAR imo.
As slow as Billy has been in moving up to the SEC level, he seems to be finally waking up to the results of what he's done so far on offense. He seems to me to finally be taking a serious look at Brown.
Anyone that believe that Lagway is coming in as a true Fr and lighting up the world is delirious imo.
JMOHO, but in the HS film I've watched, Brown is a better QB-dt than Lagway is....
IF Max can take them to 7-8 wins with a decent bowl showing, that will give Lagway a little time (redshirt) to work on eventually becoming the starter. Best case imo, but we'll all soon see where they are going.
So fingers crossed.
PS - I've never claimed that Max will be the next Trask, but he doesn't have to be. Max just needs to be better than what I've seen so far from the 2 over-rated xfers..... Opinions will always vary, but 'Talking Season' is almost over...
And lastly,,, YOU ARE WHAT YOUR W/L RECORD SAYS YOU ARE.................
If we are struggling I hope Brown gets a shot later in the season to show you what he is made of.
Fever, I hope that Max get's 1st Team reps in Fall practice and wins the starter job from the get go.
I don't want to see them have to lose 3-4-5 games before putting him in.
1/ Brown
2/ Mertz
3/ Miller
4/ Leise (with him eventually becoming Brown's backup)
5/ Leon (practice QB)
And at the end of the 2023 season, I'd be fine with the M&M boys disappearing, but that's jmoho...
Edit PS
With the size of Billy's contract and it's buy-out, he ain't going nowhere for at least 4-5 years.
You know the chance of that is almost zero if he was listed # 3 after the spring. If we were 2-2 going into the Vandy game and were struggling he might get his chance.
I would give CBN 4 years unless the train just completely goes off the rails. I have not been impressed with CBN in prep or in game to this point but his positive points are that he has shown he can win pretty big at a lower level and now he is showing he can be a big time recruiter, like top 5 nationally maybe. I think 7 wins for me, if we see that this staff can gameplan and we start to see the young guys fly around, I’d be ok with it but hopeful for more. 5 wins, his seat will be on fire. 3/4 wins, firing definitely on the table, maybe likely.
I am not too worried about this season but 5-7 would look pretty bad. You would give him year 4 if we go 6-6/7-5 three straight seasons?
For anyone thinking that there's any way Billy get's fired befor his 4th or 5th season, you need to go review his contract an THE FREAKIN' BUY OUT.... 🤓
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The M&M boyz got all of the 1st team reps in the Spring.
Billy said that's about to change in Fall practice.
I take that as 'What's Gone Before' is not what is going to happen in the Fall.
Max would still have to win the job at Fall practice, but that at least gives him and us a chance to have at least a decent winning season,,, for a change...
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The M&M boyz got all of the 1st team reps in the Spring.
Billy said that's about to change in Fall practice.
I take that as 'What's Gone Before' is not what is going to happen in the Fall.
Max would still have to win the job at Fall practice, but that at least gives him and us a chance to have at least a decent winning season,,, for a change...
If he keeps recruiting I would. And also dependent on how we look. If the defense this year looks like defense last year, you have to suspect just abject incompetence.
Okay
As a combat decorated veteran, 'While I may not agree with what you have to say, I have volunteered to fight for your right to say it,' and I have no day set on changing my attitude.... 🤓
Ah,,, yet another in favor of destroying the Constitution and especially the 1st Amendment. Not surprised, but you (among others) can KMA.... 😜
As a combat decorated veteran, 'While I may not agree with what you have to say, I have volunteered to fight for your right to say it,' and I have no day set on changing my attitude.... 🤓
OK but we obviously will be looking bad if we are going 6-6/7-5 3 straight seasons. It would mean you are clearly going under .500 to similarly talented teams.
Most top SEC programs would fire a coach after year 3 in that scenario. Doesnt matter the financials. You are dreaming if you think Max Brown will get many 1st team reps as the #3 coming out of spring.
I might take a look and see how many new coaches at the SEC schools that expect success now have survived 3 straight seasons of not having 8 wins or more pre-bowl game since 2000. That would exclude KY, Mizzu, Vandy, SC, Ole Miss, Miss State and Arkansas.
Edit - I looked and none of those 7 schools (which include us) while in the SEC since 2000 have retained a coach for a 4th season that had only a 7-5 or worse pre-bowl record as their best season after their first 3 seasons.
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Recruiting probably doesn't hold up if you are .500 that far in.
That mentioned, if we just go off total talent we should win 8 games this year. QB being really important and us not having a good one could downgrade that a tich but 7 wins should happen this year imo.
I doubt we get 8 wins due to the QB situation. I think Utah will determine if it's 6 or 7 wins and if that QB at Utah is good to go I think we may be looking at 6 wins again. I hope we get a proven rental QB for 2024.
Fever, last year you were all in on Miller Time, because you're such a good judge of QB's.
Proves to me that you're FoS a lot more often than I am.
And that goes for several others here....
Not before now, but at this point in time,,,,
I wish that Mac would LIGHT IT UP this Fall, so for my/his dissenters, that they would be forced to just sit down and STFU, just like they did when long abused Me/Trask did it to them.... 🤓
They have obviously not yet learned their lessons.....
And if not? Then Que Sera, Sera (cause it's not like any of this is in the least bit important)...
Proves to me that you're FoS a lot more often than I am.
And that goes for several others here....
Not before now, but at this point in time,,,,
I wish that Mac would LIGHT IT UP this Fall, so for my/his dissenters, that they would be forced to just sit down and STFU, just like they did when long abused Me/Trask did it to them.... 🤓
They have obviously not yet learned their lessons.....
And if not? Then Que Sera, Sera (cause it's not like any of this is in the least bit important)...
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Sure - not predicting 8 wins but thinking thru some of the above arguments about not losing to the UK's etc. of the world - or the SCs...it supports more your points that this isn't a 5 year turn around lol - which I too agree with.
Just throwing out some facts for a good discussion.
One thing I actually wrestling with is this: if we have enough talent, measured by the total talent index on 247 composite, and if we have good coaching in year 2 of the rebuild. This should mean we make strides this year cutting out a lot of errors.
Why would we not win those 8 games? QB is the main factor IMO so I'm stuck on 6-7 wins but that's also a coaching problem if it works out that way.
I'm a big Napier guy so I'm hoping we show out this year.
lol..You couldn't tell that I was joking with you with that. His spring game that year made it look like he wasn't ready. I didn't expect the bowl game to look that bad though.
I was one of the early people here calling for Franks to be benched even when we were winning games in spite of him. Got called an idiot by former posters here early on when I said Franks was lost and that Mullen had literal 3 stringers covering starters in some situations to make Franks look better in a spring game.
I agree that at a certain point there’s no excuse for UF to be losing to Mizzou, UK, Vanderbilt.
I hope we surprise and win 8+ games also. Like you say QB is the main issue and even with an improved defense I have a hard time seeing that many wins.
I see 3 wins over the 2 easy teams and Vandy.
I see 3 pretty sure losses to GA, LSU and FSU though FSU is the one of those 3 games I think an upset is clearly possible.
I am wondering how we go better than 3-3/4-2 over the other 6 games which would give us a 6-6/7-5 record. The other 6 games are Utah, Tenn, KY, Arkansas, SC and Mizzu. Even pulling 4-2 on those games for a 7-5 record looks tough considering our situation at QB regardless if we have more talent or not.
Do you really think if we have 3 losses to GA, LSU and FSU we can possibly go 5-1 in those 6 games to pull an 8-4 record?
Not likely - truth is those other 6 games are toss ups and unless we see it on the field this year, we aren't there yet. Meaning - I need to see it first.
One of my favorite things about Fever is that he claims there are plenty of other posts claiming we'll go 6-6 or 7-5.
Sure there are.
There are also plenty of other posts about Max Brown being better than he is.
Now to be fair, 49 out of 50 of those posts are made by the same two people.
I mean, if literally every time you post, you bring up a 6-6 prediction, then yeah, there's going to be a lot of them.
It's like how recruiting ends in August. If you just keep saying that it'll have a high volume of posts.
Am I the only one that thinks this is the dumbest, most repetitive thread we've had in years? It's not aliens level bananas, but it's basically three people shouting the same thing over and over and over.
Sure there are.
There are also plenty of other posts about Max Brown being better than he is.
Now to be fair, 49 out of 50 of those posts are made by the same two people.
I mean, if literally every time you post, you bring up a 6-6 prediction, then yeah, there's going to be a lot of them.
It's like how recruiting ends in August. If you just keep saying that it'll have a high volume of posts.
Am I the only one that thinks this is the dumbest, most repetitive thread we've had in years? It's not aliens level bananas, but it's basically three people shouting the same thing over and over and over.
Whatever. There was a lot of back and forth about whether a coach should be able to go 6-6/7-5 three straight seasons at UF and be retained for a 4th season. If you don't care for some posts or certain posters just ignore them would be my advice.
Just like 2-Star Eagle Scout Trask couldn't even start for his HS team, and he was a wasted ship from the very beginning, (see the dunnygoater and others).
That was held as true, right up until he broke/set the all time UF season passing yards record with 4,283 passing yards...
He was also #2 to Tebow's 482 yds single game passing yds vs Cincy in bowl, with 474 yds vs both UGly and LSU.
Trask also holds the UF single season Passing TD's record with 43.
Danny Wonderful is #2 with 39.
Max may or may not be the QB answer for 2023, but he sure deserves his shot when looking at the M&M boyz alternatives.... Otherwise, why go to the trouble to flip him away from his original commit and call him highly under-rated?
IF Max pans out, then wonderful for all concerned.
And if he's no better than the M&M boyz, then they're no worse off....
BUT --- IF they continue to leave him to rot on the bench untried, then shame on them imo.... 😏
That was held as true, right up until he broke/set the all time UF season passing yards record with 4,283 passing yards...
He was also #2 to Tebow's 482 yds single game passing yds vs Cincy in bowl, with 474 yds vs both UGly and LSU.
Trask also holds the UF single season Passing TD's record with 43.
Danny Wonderful is #2 with 39.
Max may or may not be the QB answer for 2023, but he sure deserves his shot when looking at the M&M boyz alternatives.... Otherwise, why go to the trouble to flip him away from his original commit and call him highly under-rated?
IF Max pans out, then wonderful for all concerned.
And if he's no better than the M&M boyz, then they're no worse off....
BUT --- IF they continue to leave him to rot on the bench untried, then shame on them imo.... 😏
So do you think 6 and 6 or 7 and 5?
Stoops first three seasons at UK:
2013 - 2-10 (inherited dumpster fire from Joker Philips - free pass)
2014 - 5-7 (started the season 5-1, unhappy fans with the second half collapse)
2015 - 5-7 (made a bad hire of OC after previous OC was hired away, fired the OC after the season. Lots of unhappy fans calling for Stoops to get canned. The AD referred to the unhappy fans as “microwave” fans - an inside joke on our board to this day)
2016 (7-6) Finally broke through and got the team to the Gator Bowl, with a loss to Ga Tech.
I guess at a program like UK the AD made the tough call to keep Stoops for a fourth year, but he probably would have been let go after his third year at most other SEC schools not named Vanderbilt.
Stoops has done a great job at UK…ya’ll have been rewarded for your patience for sure.
Due respect to UK, which has been a better program than us lately, it’s apples and oranges in football. UF football is currently is like if the Billy Gillespie era lasted 10 years.
At KY I could see keeping Stoops there if you think things were about to get better but not at any of the 7 SEC schools that want to be winning SEC championships as a decent coach at those 7 schools should have their roster back in some order by then.
Kirby a lousy coach? Do you just like flashy objects? Huepel was running a play a second offense and that was his advantage. Malzahn did the same until everyone caught up with it. Go watch Tennessee and Georgia 2022 again and then make those statements again with a straight face.
puppies not winning because they are out X'ing and O'ing everyone. They are winning because they are extremely out talenting everyone. Vols were overmatched talent wise. Only 1 team last year that came even close to dawg talent and they were a missed FG away from winning.
It's hard to argue against Smart too much with his results. He and the boosters are great recruiters and he knows defense. The one thing he has done is bring Saban down to earth and show he isn't unique when you have talent at that level.
Kirby has the best players, that's why he wins. He's dominant on the trail (probably cheats). He's not some wizard with x's and o'd. Missouri almost beat your best team ever because of him and his poor planning. He's a better recruiting version of Jimbo.
Make him coach Kentucky next yr, they don't win 8 games. He thrives on having the best players
Kirby wouldn't have lasted as long as Musdump if he were to coach the Cocks.
The majority of the legghumpers bought players have done well recently.
Congrats on having and using the current largest bankroll.... 🙄
PS -- Nobody is calling Kirby something like 'The Evil Genius,' which was a HBC that's coaching was what made the difference... 😝
Congrats on having and using the current largest bankroll.... 🙄
PS -- Nobody is calling Kirby something like 'The Evil Genius,' which was a HBC that's coaching was what made the difference... 😝
And several BS calls in that very game, if you're thinking of the pOSU game.
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