Gators to Hire Ron Roberts as LB Coach, Co-Defensive Coordinator ?

[instaGATOR]

Brown walked out on the HS football field in his Jr season, never having played organized football. He was a SS/Catcher that was, at the time, projected to get drafted to MLB straight out of HS.

All he did was learn the offense, win the starter job, and then go 25-2 while being awarded the OK 3A MVP as a Sr. Slow, dumb, and obviously can't handle the pressure.... 🙄
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JMO, but I don't judge a HS QB by his performance vs his worst competition, or vs his best competition, but against his average level of competition. Anybody can have a good or a bad day/game. Also, there are at least 10 other guys that come into a QB's performance.

Oklahoma 3A State Championship Game:​

24-16 (W) Holland Hall 14-1 vs. Lincoln Christian 13-1 (-8)​

On 12/3, the Holland Hall varsity football team won their neutral playoff game against Lincoln Christian (Tulsa, OK) by a score of 24-16. (Max Brown's only loss)
3A Champ Holland beat their other 3 Playoff opponents: 62-0, 34-14, 35-6 -- 24-16

So, who/what is Holland Hall HS that beat Brown's team to be the OK 3A Champ.

Holland Hall is Tulsa’s Pre-K through Grade 12 Independent Episcopal School.
Holland Hall offers a student/teacher ratio of 9:1, exciting electives, a college preparatory curriculum, dozens of sports, & trans-formative arts programs.
It's an Elite Independent OK High School. (think IMG)
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QB-dt Max Brown 6-2 212 - Tulsa, Ok, Lincoln Christian HS
14 Gms - 13-1, 6-0 Conf.
P - 167 of 235, 71.1% for 2,750 yds, 16.5 yd/comp, 41 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 142.6
R - 173 for 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, ZERO fumbles.

Passing Yds/Gm - 196.4
He only threw 4 Ints on 235 pass attempts.
Rushing Yds/Gm - 95.9
He had ZERO fumbles on 173 carries.

Show me another HS QBdt anywhere that had 4,093 Yds, 61 TD's to 4 Turnovers....

TD's/Gm - 4.36
TO's/Gm - 0.35

Yds/Comp 16.5 (he's not throwing 6-7 Yd dink & dunk junk for his 71.1%)
Yds/Carry 7.8 (that's on 173 carries, not a few runs here and there)
Total Offense - 4,093 Yds -- 61 TD's, 4 TO's, for a 15.25 to 1 TD/TO Ratio.

When watching his highlights, look at the size, speed, skill of the opposing teams.
The number of students (classification) in the school doesn't prevent a team from being good.


It's a conspiracy? Max Brown's HS highlights are no longer available at UTUBE or HUDL, wft-over????

Now, all of that guarantees nothing, but I sure like what I'm reading and used to be able to see and judge for myself....
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CBN said that 3-star Brown was under-rated and had great potential when flipping him to UF from his original commit.
Was he lying, or is he just that bad at evaluating QB talent???
You make the call...... 🤓

Then why is Brown still not even a consideration to play in his 2nd year at UF?
QB coaching incompetence??? AR-15 didn't improve. Miller III didn't improve?
And judging by the O&B game, Mertz hasn't improved either....

 

[gatordad3]

 

[Gator Fever]

Brown walked out on the HS football field in his Jr season, never having played organized football. He was a SS/Catcher that was, at the time, projected to get drafted to MLB straight out of HS.

All he did was learn the offense, win the starter job, and then go 25-2 while being awarded the OK 3A MVP as a Sr. Slow, dumb, and obviously can't handle the pressure.... 🙄
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JMO, but I don't judge a HS QB by his performance vs his worst competition, or vs his best competition, but against his average level of competition. Anybody can have a good or a bad day/game. Also, there are at least 10 other guys that come into a QB's performance.

Oklahoma 3A State Championship Game:​

24-16 (W) Holland Hall 14-1 vs. Lincoln Christian 13-1 (-8)​

On 12/3, the Holland Hall varsity football team won their neutral playoff game against Lincoln Christian (Tulsa, OK) by a score of 24-16. (Max Brown's only loss)
3A Champ Holland beat their other 3 Playoff opponents: 62-0, 34-14, 35-6 -- 24-16

So, who/what is Holland Hall HS that beat Brown's team to be the OK 3A Champ.

Holland Hall is Tulsa’s Pre-K through Grade 12 Independent Episcopal School.
Holland Hall offers a student/teacher ratio of 9:1, exciting electives, a college preparatory curriculum, dozens of sports, & trans-formative arts programs.
It's an Elite Independent OK High School. (think IMG)
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QB-dt Max Brown 6-2 212 - Tulsa, Ok, Lincoln Christian HS
14 Gms - 13-1, 6-0 Conf.
P - 167 of 235, 71.1% for 2,750 yds, 16.5 yd/comp, 41 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 142.6
R - 173 for 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, ZERO fumbles.

Passing Yds/Gm - 196.4
He only threw 4 Ints on 235 pass attempts.
Rushing Yds/Gm - 95.9
He had ZERO fumbles on 173 carries.

Show me another HS QBdt anywhere that had 4,093 Yds, 61 TD's to 4 Turnovers....

TD's/Gm - 4.36
TO's/Gm - 0.35

Yds/Comp 16.5 (he's not throwing 6-7 Yd dink & dunk junk for his 71.1%)
Yds/Carry 7.8 (that's on 173 carries, not a few runs here and there)
Total Offense - 4,093 Yds -- 61 TD's, 4 TO's, for a 15.25 to 1 TD/TO Ratio.

When watching his highlights, look at the size, speed, skill of the opposing teams.
The number of students (classification) in the school doesn't prevent a team from being good.

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It's a conspiracy? Max Brown's HS highlights are no longer available at UTUBE or HUDL, wft-over????

Now, all of that guarantees nothing, but I sure like what I'm reading and used to be able to see and judge for myself....
=====

CBN said that 3-star Brown was under-rated and had great potential when flipping him to UF from his original commit.
Was he lying, or is he just that bad at evaluating QB talent???
You make the call...... 🤓

Then why is Brown still not even a consideration to play in his 2nd year at UF?
QB coaching incompetence??? AR-15 didn't improve. Miller III didn't improve?
And judging by the O&B game, Mertz hasn't improved either....

Is the baseball coach impeding Brown also or was he going to go in a round out of high school where they usually never get out of the minors and make the show?

 

[instaGATOR]

CBN said that 3-star Brown was under-rated and had great potential when flipping him to UF from his original commit.
Was he lying, or is he just that bad at evaluating QB talent???
You make the call...... 🤓

The feveredbrains FAILS to answer the question. Why is that do you suppose?

But he expects me to play his stupid game instead, (I know why that is).
The point that he is dodging is that Brown is an 'ALL AROUND ATHLETE,' and he has proven that he's good at both sports, when he is given a real chance,,, and when he has competent coaching with a good system.

Is the baseball coach impeding Brown also or was he going to go in a round out of high school where they usually never get out of the minors and make the show?

Duck, dodger, and attempt to distract.... 🙄

Same ole feveredbrains, and working at his usual very best..... 😉

O'Sul isn't the one that flipped him from his original commit.
O'Sul isn't the one that has him on a ship.
O'Sul isn't the one that said he was highly under-rated coming out of HS.
But O'Sul still gave him a walk-on spot on the team, and he's still there.

Got anymore idiotic questions for me to answer feveredbrains? 😂 🤣 😂

 

[fsu939913]

UF flips WR aAbrams from FSU. Both Abrams and Fsu were looking to move on as FSU has 5 receivers in the class. Decent player

 

[Gator Fever]

The feveredbrains FAILS to answer the question. Why is that do you suppose?

But instead he expects me to play his stupid game instead, (I know why that is).
The point that he is dodging is that Brown is an 'ALL AROUND ATHLETE,' and he has proven that he's good at both sports, when he is given a real chance,,, and when he has competent coaching with a good system.


Duck, dodger, and attempt to distract.... 🙄

Same ole feveredbrains, and working at his usual very best..... 😉

O'Sul isn't the one that flipped him from his original commit.
O'Sul isn't the one that has him on a ship.
O'Sul isn't the one that said he was highly under-rated coming out of HS.
But O'Sul still gave him a walk-on spot on the team, and he's still there.

Got anymore idiotic questions for me to answer feveredbrains? 😂 🤣 😂

Well reading your posts which is it. Napier is too incompetent to get Brown to the starting QB position or he was naive thinking Brown would be able to effectively play early at this level?

 

[PacoGator19]

Great job by the staff to flip Abrams from FSU. Very good addition to an already loaded class. Staff is killing it on the trail. Need to keep it up

 

[Countygator1]

UF flips WR aAbrams from FSU. Both Abrams and Fsu were looking to move on as FSU has 5 receivers in the class. Decent player

Yep, assuming both the ATH play receiver. Abrams is a big loss for the noles. Pure speed receiver and of the 6, he was your 2nd best recruit at receiver. No way to spin losing a top 300 player. Good flip for Florida.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yep, assuming both the ATH play receiver. Abrams is a big loss for the noles. Pure speed receiver and of the 6, he was your 2nd best recruit at receiver. No way to spin losing a top 300 player. Good flip for Florida.

I think Abrams is a top 250 composite ranked player. We are adding a lot of speed in the last 2 classes.

 

[gatordad3]

UF flips WR aAbrams from FSU. Both Abrams and Fsu were looking to move on as FSU has 5 receivers in the class. Decent player

 

[Dannygator1989]

When people say "you two get a room" that's what they mean.

This thread. Jeff and Insta. Just post after post after post after....oh god you know what I mean.

Sheesh.

Is there not a local geriatrics club where y'all can hang out and have a warm milk and talk about big strong men that aren't being given a fair chance to be all big and strong?

 

[gatordad3]

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

Great job by the staff to flip Abrams from FSU. Very good addition to an already loaded class. Staff is killing it on the trail. Need to keep it up

How big is the class likely to get - feels like we might go as high as 26-27 if we hit on the right players. Thoughts?

 

[fsu939913]

Yep, assuming both the ATH play receiver. Abrams is a big loss for the noles. Pure speed receiver and of the 6, he was your 2nd best recruit at receiver. No way to spin losing a top 300 player. Good flip for Florida.

He's not a big loss lol The staff viewed him as our 4th or 5th best receiver in the class. We tried to recruit Ragins (who committed to OU) to replace Abrams. We have 5 receivers and he was the odd man out. He was leaving the class no matter what. Gibson and Moore are our best receivers and then Mccoy and Frier are the slots. We are also in it for a couple more good receivers. Receiver is also our deepest room on the team as Destyn Hill finally showed up.

He's a decent player, good speed.

 

[Gator Fever]

Great job by the staff to flip Abrams from FSU. Very good addition to an already loaded class. Staff is killing it on the trail. Need to keep it up

Yep the last few weeks have given me confidence the boosters and Napier will make us a consistent top 6 area recruiting team which gives you enough to compete for championships.

 

[Countygator1]

He's not a big loss lol The staff viewed him as our 4th or 5th best receiver in the class. We tried to recruit Ragins (who committed to OU) to replace Abrams. We have 5 receivers and he was the odd man out. He was leaving the class no matter what. Gibson and Moore are our best receivers and then Mccoy and Frier are the slots. We are also in it for a couple more good receivers. Receiver is also our deepest room on the team as Destyn Hill finally showed up.

He's a decent player, good speed.

LOL....he was your second highest rated receiver. Keep telling yourself that Dorothy.

 

[fsu939913]

LOL....he was your second highest rated receiver. Keep telling yourself that Dorothy.

I know any time you get a flip you think it's some great loss for the other team. He's been looking around for over 2 months for a place to go and fsu has been looking. I've followed his recruitment the entire time. I'm not saying he's not good, I'm saying we didn't value him very high compared to our other receivers. Gibson and Moore are outside receivers and we recruited 2 slot receivers over him in Frier and Mccoy. He was the 3rd slot receiver we took. We can't take 3.

This guy is not a Percy Harvin type player, he's a role player. He's a nice piece but it's not some huge loss for us. We are really deep at receiver and are bringing in 5 this class. Moore and Gibson will be the top 2 receivers in our class unless we land one of the bigger fish (doubtful). Decent player, lose zero sleep over losing him though as we are set at the position

 

[Countygator1]

I know any time you get a flip you think it's some great loss for the other team. He's been looking around for over 2 months for a place to go and fsu has been looking. I've followed his recruitment the entire time. I'm not saying he's not good, I'm saying we didn't value him very high compared to our other receivers. Gibson and Moore are outside receivers and we recruited 2 slot receivers over him in Frier and Mccoy. He was the 3rd slot receiver we took. We can't take 3.

This guy is not a Percy Harvin type player, he's a role player. He's a nice piece but it's not some huge loss for us. We are really deep at receiver and are bringing in 5 this class. Moore and Gibson will be the top 2 receivers in our class unless we land one of the bigger fish (doubtful). Decent player, lose zero sleep over losing him though as we are set at the position

Top 250 player and nolies looking at him as a role player?? Damn didn't realize how loaded you guys were. Only Bama, GA and FSU can do that these days.

 

[fsu939913]

Top 250 player and nolies looking at him as a role player?? Damn didn't realize how loaded you guys were. Only Bama, GA and FSU can do that these days.

Lol if we lost Lester or Luke or Kam or Landen it would be a big loss. Losing a receiver is not a big loss especially when you have 5 receivers already and it's your deepest room. Don't let me rain on your parade though, celebrate to the fullest.

 

[fsu939913]

I think Abrams is a top 250 composite ranked player. We are adding a lot of speed in the last 2 classes.

I think this is the point that I hate the most, Gators team spd is increasing. I don't like that when we play

 

[Countygator1]

Lol if we lost Lester or Luke or Kam or Landen it would be a big loss. Losing a receiver is not a big loss especially when you have 5 receivers already and it's your deepest room. Don't let me rain on your parade though, celebrate to the fullest.

Just happy we can get the scaps from nolie banquet table.

 

[fsu939913]

Just happy we can get the scaps from nolie banquet table.

Remember the last scraps you took? Jordan Pride? Lol How'd that go? I didn't think he was that great anyway.

Now Kearney was a big loss imo. I think he will be good.

 

[Countygator1]

Remember the last scraps you took? Jordan Pride? Lol How'd that go? I didn't think he was that great anyway.

Now Kearney was a big loss imo. I think he will be good.

Didn't he commit to AM?

 

[fsu939913]

Didn't he commit to AM?

Yes, after committing to you guys I believe

 

[PacoGator19]

Abrams is a good WR and a good flip. We added lots more speed to the WR room. I don’t think Abrams is better than anybody we took at WR last year and I don’t he’s better than Hawkins in this class. I do think he is a better WR prospect then both Frier and Gibson from FSUs WR class.

Jordan Pride is not a UF commit. We never took him. Pretty sure he is an A&M commit at this time.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yes, after committing to you guys I believe

Never committed to UF. He never could for obvious reasons.

 

[fsu939913]

Abrams is a good WR and a good flip. We added lots more speed to the WR room. I don’t think Abrams is better than anybody we took at WR last year and I don’t he’s better than Hawkins in this class. I do think he is a better WR prospect then both Frier and Gibson from FSUs WR class.

Jordan Pride is not a UF commit. We never took him. Pretty sure he is an A&M commit at this time.

He's not better than Gibson. He's better than Frier right now imo but Frier is a legacy for us and could end up being really good. Bama is trying to flip Frier. If I had my choice of the two, I'd take Abrams over Frier and Gibson over Abrams.

 

[fsu939913]

Never committed to UF. He never could for obvious reasons.

You guys dodged a bullet there lol I thought he flipped from us to you guys then to a and m but guess I just assumed he had committed to you guys

 

[Countygator1]

Abrams is a good WR and a good flip. We added lots more speed to the WR room. I don’t think Abrams is better than anybody we took at WR last year and I don’t he’s better than Hawkins in this class. I do think he is a better WR prospect then both Frier and Gibson from FSUs WR class.

Jordan Pride is not a UF commit. We never took him. Pretty sure he is an A&M commit at this time.

As a sophomore Abrams ran a 6.89 indoor 60 and a 10.62 100m. Those are blazing times for a 15 year old kid. He's a burner for sure.

 

[PacoGator19]

As a sophomore Abrams ran a 6.89 indoor 60 and a 10.62 100m. Those are blazing times for a 15 year old kid. He's a burner for sure.

Yes and to think Jerrae Hawkins is even faster than him.

 

[gatordad3]

@nail1988 @NavigatorII @instaGATOR and Fevered Brain

If Abrams(not Stacy) is anything close to or better than Kadarius Toney, I'll take him.

 

[NavigatorII]

@nail1988 @NavigatorII @instaGATOR and Fevered Brain

If Abrams(not Stacy) is anything close to or better than Kadarius Toney, I'll take him.

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Looks like more of a speed guy than direction change guy. Aside from that, I see high school training room film hasn't improved in 40 years, the only difference is it's in color now. 😂

 

[Gator Fever]

Looks like more of a speed guy than direction change guy. Aside from that, I see high school training room film hasn't improved in 40 years, the only difference is it's in color now. 😂

We need another Percy Harvin. Nothing beats football speed like that. Track guys can't compare if they are stiff runners.

 

[fsu939913]

We need another Percy Harvin. Nothing beats football speed like that. Track guys can't compare if they are stiff runners.

We got a guy the other day named Micah Danzi, very similar to Abrams with spd. More straight line tho similar to Abrams. Agree on the football spd, it's a real thing

 

[PacoGator19]

We need another Percy Harvin. Nothing beats football speed like that. Track guys can't compare if they are stiff runners.

Yeah well those types of players are very very rare. Percy Harvin/Reggie Bush type players aren’t exactly in abundance. We may never see another Harvin type player at UF in our lifetime. That type of player is that rare.

 

[instaGATOR]

UF flips WR aAbrams from FSU. Both Abrams and Fsu were looking to move on as FSU has 5 receivers in the class. Decent player

#43 WR Tawaski Abrams 6-0 175 10.6 100-M - FSU flip to UF​

Trying to put a good face on the flip is understandable, but reality might differ?

FSU 2024 Has 2 WR Commits:

#58 Elijah Moore 6-4.5 200​

#62 WR Camdon Frier 5-11.5 175​

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#9 Ath Micahi Danzy 6-1 175 - A gifted athlete that has done a variety of different things at the prep level. Opinions seem to vary on future position, but a case could be made that he’s looking more and more like a full-time running back.

#11 Ath Lawayne McCoy 6-0 170 (WR/DB)

#34 Ath BJ Givson 6-0 188 (DB/WR) (former baseball commit to Tenn)

#81 Ath Ricky Knight III 6-0 168 (CB/WR)
33 Tkl's, 1 INT -- 4 Rec for 92 Yds

Jus-sayin....

 

[fsu939913]

#43 WR Tawaski Abrams 6-0 175 10.6 100-M - FSU flip to UF​

Trying to put a good face on the flip is understandable, but reality might differ?

FSU 2024 Has 2 WR Commits:

#58 Elijah Moore 6-4.5 200​

#62 WR Camdon Frier 5-11.5 175​

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#9 Ath Micahi Danzy 6-1 175 - A gifted athlete that has done a variety of different things at the prep level. Opinions seem to vary on future position, but a case could be made that he’s looking more and more like a full-time running back.

#11 Ath Lawayne McCoy 6-0 170 (WR/DB)

#34 Ath BJ Givson 6-0 188 (DB/WR) (former baseball commit to Tenn)

#81 Ath Ricky Knight III 6-0 168 (CB/WR)
33 Tkl's, 1 INT -- 4 Rec for 92 Yds

Jus-sayin....

Ha. He's a good player, I was more so going against someone saying it's a "big loss" for us. He's a good player but it's not a big loss for us. Would I rather have him? Of course. Danzi ran the same times as Abrams in the 100m and is faster in the 200m but Danzi is going to play RB for us, not receiver and honestly I'd rather have Abrams than him.

 

[fsu939913]

Yeah well those types of players are very very rare. Percy Harvin/Reggie Bush type players aren’t exactly in abundance. We may never see another Harvin type player at UF in our lifetime. That type of player is that rare.

Agreed, rare breed. Jeremiah Smith is a rare breed as well but different than Harvin.

 

[Countygator1]

Ha. He's a good player, I was more so going against someone saying it's a "big loss" for us. He's a good player but it's not a big loss for us. Would I rather have him? Of course. Danzi ran the same times as Abrams in the 100m and is faster in the 200m but Danzi is going to play RB for us, not receiver and honestly I'd rather have Abrams than him.

Come on now...you were totally trying to dismiss it as no big deal as if the nolies didn't want him while also trying to take a shot at the Gators. Yes, anytime you lose a top 250 player it's a big deal and anytime you get a commit from a top 250 player it's a big deal. Who know in the long run if it will work out. We shall see.

 

[instaGATOR]

Yep, assuming both the ATH play receiver. Abrams is a big loss for the noles. Pure speed receiver and of the 6, he was your 2nd best recruit at receiver. No way to spin losing a top 300 player. Good flip for Florida.

#43 WR Tawaski 'TJ' Abrams 5-11 175 10.6 100-M - FSU Flip
A speedy, elusive playmaker with the ball in his hands, Abrams caught 37 passes for 429 yards (11.6) and five touchdowns, rushed 21 times for 248 yards (11.8) and two touchdowns, and averaged 22 yards per kick return and 28.5 yards per punt return as a junior in 2022. (next man up after Pearsall?)

Abrams also runs track for Dunbar. He produced a personal record of 10.62 100-M in March 2022 and posted another two 10.6-second-range results in the same event this year.

#29 WR Jerrae Hawkins 5-9 165

#43 WR Tawaski Abrams 5-11 175​

#50 WR Izaiah Williams 6-0 172​

https://www.si.com/college/florida/...aski-tj-abrams-flips-commitment-fsu-seminoles
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Note: Mertz finished the 2022 season with 2,136 Yds, 19 TD's to 10 Ints, which produced his highest individual passer rating as a starter. As a pocket-passer, Mertz was sacked 23 times in 2022 despite leading an offense that ran the ball nearly 58% of the time.