Gator Basketball

[ocalaman]

Watched the UF/Oklahoma game that started at Noon on ESPN. OK's stars played well and they won 65-60. Hayes was abused on the defensive end the entire game. Slow to react, acts like he's half asleep. Hudson is supposed to be all-SEC and he played terribly - 4 points, 2 turnovers, 0 rebounds.. Allen was been average at best, 10 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, but 0-2 from the free throw line and missed a 3-pointer and a layup in the last minute. Stone played pretty well in spite of the missed free throws - 10 points, 7 rebounds, 0 turnovers. Ballard disappeared, not scoring and not playing much. Okuru didn't play much either and didn't score. Stokes didn't play at all. Free throw shooting horrible - 3/11 for the game, Stone 0-4, Nembhard 1-3 including the front end of a 1-1 with 1:40 left and us down 3. Bassett was great and should be starting ahead of Hayes, IMO. He had 14 points on 6/8 shooting including 2-2 from 3, plus 4 rebounds. Locke needs more playing time, as he scored 9 going 3-6 from the 3-point line. He can flat out shoot. There is no excuse for this collection of players to look as bad as they've looked this early in the season. The young guys are playing harder and better than the more experienced guys. We made 11 3's today, but still couldn't win because our go-to guys didn't make it happen. Nembhard is going to be a star, but he's not a scorer and is not nearly the defender as Chiozza. Tomorrow we play the loser of Stanford/Wisconsin. Oh boy.

 

[PacoGator19]

Mike White is a terrible coach. He’s going to destroy what Billy D built. Every player regresses under him. Kevaughan Allen continues to get worse. Hudson is worse this year than last year. Hudson should have gone pro. Instead White is going to ruin his pro stock. Hayes never improved. Stone is about the same player. Okauru is worse.

He’s just not a good coach or developer of talent.

 

[bradleygator]

Didn't see this game, but my main complaint about White is his inability to get his best players shots. You would think this team would get the ball to Hudson on one wing and Allen on the other and then go from there, but they don't seem to understand what kind of shots they're looking for or how to get them. You see games where Allen has 3 or 4 shots. Ridiculous. We also seem to get lit up a lot from the perimeter, often by good shooters shooting wide open set shots.

 

[ocalaman]

Didn't see this game, but my main complaint about White is his inability to get his best players shots. You would think this team would get the ball to Hudson on one wing and Allen on the other and then go from there, but they don't seem to understand what kind of shots they're looking for or how to get them. You see games where Allen has 3 or 4 shots. Ridiculous. We also seem to get lit up a lot from the perimeter, often by good shooters shooting wide open set shots.

The team as a whole shot decently today, especially from 3. They were, however, lazy on defense and took a bunch of stupid shots. Teams are crowding Allen, we're not setting good screen for him, and Hudson forces shots or takes a contested 3 early in the shot clock. Oklahoma outhustled our guys from beginning to end.

 

[sadgator]

Definitely sounds like we are in for a long year...

Not sure how you can pass so much judgment on White as a coach when we’ve had pretty descent success the past few years. Even Billy’s teams went through some prolonged funks...it happens...

 

[ocalaman]

I actually think White is a good coach, but the experienced guys are just not producing and it's going to take the young guys time to assimilate. He's got 3 big time players coming in next year, so he's able to sell the program to quality players. Time will tell whether or not White can get the program back to being a consistent winner like Billy D did, but I'm OK with his 1st 3 years. Just disappointed in the start to this year. There's talent and depth, but they're definitely not playing up to their potential.

 

[46885]

You can easily pass judgement on white, and all bad coaches. Whenever you're seeing the same things in year 3 you saw in year one with no adjustments or anything positive and all the negatives still there from day one, you're just gonna keep seeing the same things every game, he's not gonna make it and just depends on how much care for basketball there still is, or else he's just gonna keep bringing it down and down. He will find a way to lose all close games, and they shoot fade away 3's entire games to get into deficits, then the only time all season they've had to shoot one, they send allen of all people in there to just get it thrown off his head and end the game. There's nothing left to be seen that you don't already know is coming in every game, he's never gonna be close to good enough to coach at UF long term.

He's lucky OU is just as bad as them without Trae young, and getting out coached by former Gator coach from 24 years ago. Iv'e seen about enough of Hayes dribbling it off his leg to keep watching the same thing any more already in just 5 games of this season, they'll look the same the whole year again because they never change anything.

 

[PacoGator19]

We also seem to get lit up a lot from the perimeter, often by good shooters shooting wide open set shots.

This is Mike White’s 4th year. It’s a lot of the same reoccurring problems.

We haven’t defended the 3 point line well ever since White has been at UF. You would think after being so bad at it for 3 years that there would be some focus put towards it but that certainly doesn’t appear to be the case.

We don’t have a set offensive system. That is White’s style.

 

[LizardGrad89]

This is Mike White’s 4th year. It’s a lot of the same reoccurring problems.

We haven’t defended the 3 point line well ever since White has been at UF. You would think after being so bad at it for 3 years that there would be some focus put towards it but that certainly doesn’t appear to be the case.

We don’t have a set offensive system. That is White’s style.

I listened to the first half of the Florida-Florida State game, and when they did the introductions, and it was the same guys from last year (thought we had some great recruiting class), I knew it was going to be another long, mediocre at best season.

 

[instaGATOR]

"I don't think we're a team with a bunch of swagger, right now," White said.

They are certainly off to a slow start shooting the ball, both from the floor and the foul line.
The team from the foul line went 3 of 11 for a miserable 27.3%
Allen 0-2, Stone 0-4,,, WTF??? So they lost by 5 pts....
They can't even make lay-ups or the bunnies a lot of the time.
The bench is out playing the starters, except for the Fr PG anyway..
Nembhard 6 pts, 6 ast's, 2 steals, to just 1 TO, but 1 for 3 at the line.
CG Hudson - FG 2-8, 3's 0-4.
So maybe it's time that the younger guys get more playing time.
And is Gak ever going to be able to play this season???
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Season stats so far:

CG Hudson 67 Min - FG 37.9%, 3's 28.6, FT 76.9% - 8 Rbs
CG Ballard - 50 Min - FG 61.9%, 3's 25%, FT 100% - 8 Rbs

SG Allen - 71 Min - FG 33.3%, 3's 18.2%, FT 100% - 5 Rbs
SG Locke 40 Min - FG 29.4%, 3's 36.4%, FT 50% --- 2 Rbs

PG Nembhard 90 Min - FG 38.1%, 3's 42.9%, FT 80% - 17 Ast, 6 TO, 6 Stl.
PG Okauru --- 37 Min - FG 37.5% 3's 00%, FT 100% ----- 2 Ast, 4 TO, 1 Stl

SF Stone ----- 60 Min - FG 45.5%, 3's 50%, FT 66.7% - 11 Rbs
SF K.Johnson 53 Min - FG 60.0%, 3's 00%, FT 100% -- 11 Rbs

C/PF Hayes -- 54 Min - FG 100%, 3's 0/0, FT 50% ---- 16 Rbs
PF/C Stokes - 40 Min - FG 44.4%, 3's 00%, FT 77.8% - 5 Rbs

18 Min. C.Johnson and 12 Min D.Bassett have mostly been irrelevant so far.
While Gak has not played at all.

 

[ocalaman]

"I don't think we're a team with a bunch of swagger, right now," White said.

They are certainly off to a slow start shooting the ball, both from the floor and the foul line.
The team from the foul line went 3 of 11 for a miserable 27.3%
Allen 0-2, Stone 0-4,,, WTF??? So they lost by 5 pts....
They can't even make lay-ups or the bunnies a lot of the time.
The bench is out playing the starters, except for the Fr PG anyway..
Nembhard 6 pts, 6 ast's, 2 steals, to just 1 TO, but 1 for 3 at the line.
CG Hudson - FG 2-8, 3's 0-4.
So maybe it's time that the younger guys get more playing time.
And is Gak ever going to be able to play this season???
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Season stats so far:

CG Hudson 67 Min - FG 37.9%, 3's 28.6, FT 76.9% - 8 Rbs
CG Ballard - 50 Min - FG 61.9%, 3's 25%, FT 100% - 8 Rbs

SG Allen - 71 Min - FG 33.3%, 3's 18.2%, FT 100% - 5 Rbs
SG Locke 40 Min - FG 29.4%, 3's 36.4%, FT 50% --- 2 Rbs

PG Nembhard 90 Min - FG 38.1%, 3's 42.9%, FT 80% - 17 Ast, 6 TO, 6 Stl.
PG Okauru --- 37 Min - FG 37.5% 3's 00%, FT 100% ----- 2 Ast, 4 TO, 1 Stl

SF Stone ----- 60 Min - FG 45.5%, 3's 50%, FT 66.7% - 11 Rbs
SF K.Johnson 53 Min - FG 60.0%, 3's 00%, FT 100% -- 11 Rbs

C/PF Hayes -- 54 Min - FG 100%, 3's 0/0, FT 50% ---- 16 Rbs
PF/C Stokes - 40 Min - FG 44.4%, 3's 00%, FT 77.8% - 5 Rbs

18 Min. C.Johnson and 12 Min D.Bassett have mostly been irrelevant so far.
While Gak has not played at all.

Basset was the best player on the floor for the Gators today. He only had 16 minutes, but scored 14 points, 6/8 from the field including 2 3's, plus 4 rebounds. Ballard only logged 7 minutes, Okuru 2 minutes and Stokes didn't play. The younger guys definitely need to get more playing times because our returning starters just ain't gettin' it done and there's no passion when they're out there.

 

[instaGATOR]

Mike changed the line-up, played and/or started the younger guys, and beat Stanford by 23 pts. Thank-you Mike...

 

[ocalaman]

I don't understand Hudson. He came back to impress the NBA scouts. This is his money time and he acts totally disinterested. Hayes does play hard in spite of his limitations. White's challenge this year seems to be that the younger guys have more drive and heart. Can he get the experienced guys to buy in to the amount of effort needed to win. The talent and depth is there, especially if we get Stokes and C. Johnson cleared to play.

 

[instaGATOR]

We don't know what might be going on in Jalen's life. It could just be a Sr slump, like when the bats go cold in baseball. Mike says that he has in 'no way' given up on Jalen. Allen slumped last year and now he looks to be cranking it back up, so there's still hope for Hudson, it's very early yet.

Gak, Stokes, and C.Johnson are all iffy again,,,, jus-damn!
Why I said in another post that for Mike's next class, he needs a 6-10+ quality center and another quality PF/C. It's time to really focus on big man quality and depth. Hiring a top quality Big-Man coach like Pinkins should be a big help with recruiting in that area.
Al Pinkins joined the Florida coaching staff on May 11, 2018, hired as associate head coach by Mike White. Pinkins brings 15 years of collegiate coaching experience, including five in the SEC, with a solid history of developing front-court players.

 

[tbbuc99]

Mike White is a terrible coach. He’s going to destroy what Billy D built. Every player regresses under him. Kevaughan Allen continues to get worse. Hudson is worse this year than last year. Hudson should have gone pro. Instead White is going to ruin his pro stock. Hayes never improved. Stone is about the same player. Okauru is worse.

He’s just not a good coach or developer of talent.

So true, Cheez was horrible his last season here....oh wait!

 

[LizardGrad89]

Watched the Butler game, we really need a better offense than run around the perimeter and jack up a three.

 

[PacoGator19]

Watched the Butler game, we really need a better offense than run around the perimeter and jack up a three.

Umm this has been our offense for 3 years under White. Why is this a surprise? The offensive system is awful and the player development is awful.

Allen, Hudson & Stone have all regressed and Hayes has never been any good. No improvement from players that have been in the program a few years.

 

[ocalaman]

They have nobody who can make a play in the paint. White has no choice. Injuries to the bigs have killed us. That's not the coach's fault. We were rolling under White with a mixture of inside/out until Egbunu went down. Since then Gak has been hurt, Hayes is what he is, C. Johnson has concussion issues and Stokes has knee problems. Hudson has the talent, but not the desire, to create inside. Our best players are perimeter guys and you coach to your strengths. This year's team has no leadership. It's just not in Allen's personality, Hudson just doesn't have IT and Hayes isn't talented enough. Nembhard is going to be the leader eventually and the stars coming in next year will get the gators back to respectability. The SEC may be better this year than in a long time and it will be interesting to see how our Gator team develops. I just can't stand for people to give up on the team so early in the season and the coach so early in his tenure. I'm concerned about the immediate, but have confidence in the long term.

 

[instaGATOR]

Watched the Butler game, we really need a better offense than run around the perimeter and jack up a three.

Yep, and Gak, Stokes, and C.Johnsons played really chitty too...

While Stone, Allen, and Hayes were all BillyD's last recruits....

Mike White has taken the Gators to the NIT, Elite-8, and to the 32 without Egbunu.
He's already produced 3 consecutive 20+ win seasons vs monster schedules.
And now that he's established himself at UF, he's getting his recruits:

2018
SF Keyontae Johnson ****
SG Noah Locke ****
PG Andrew Nembhard *****

2019
C Omar Payne ****
CG Tre Mann *****
CG/SF Scottie Lewis *****
~ SG Alex Klatsky ** - Ships offered, but chose to walk-on with White

For a 2nd straight year, the Gators have 3 ESPN Top 100 players among their incoming freshman class in 2019.

Now,,, bring on the village idiots for another round of dissing on Mike...

 

[ocalaman]

Yeah guys let's clean house. Fire Mary Wise because she finished 3rd in the SEC this year and has never won a national championship. What a loser! Fire Becky Burleigh because she had her 1st ever losing season. Hell, lets fire Mike Holloway because his track & field team didn't win a 3rd straight outdoor national title, even though they won the indoor championship. While we're at it, boot Kevin O'Sullivan out the door. After all, he didn't get to the CWS until his 3rd season, has been to the CWS 7 times and only won it once. Just terrible.
Mike White won 20 more games in his first 3 seasons than Billy D did in his 1st three. He's only been to 2 NCAA tournaments in his first 3 years, only 1 Elite 8 after losing his only true big time inside player to injury late in that season, and won 20+ games all 3 years. He's personally responsible for all the injuries to the frontcourt players that has limited his options. And the fact that his 2018 & 2019 recruiting classes are among the best at UF in the last 6-7 years means nothing. We have no hope and with Florida's long, storied history of basketball greatness, if we can't compete for a national title every year, let's just fire the coach and start over every 3-4 years.

 

[instaGATOR]

Zero player development under Mike White....

Under White’s guidance for 3 seasons, Chiozza set the Florida career record with 571 assists and became the 2nd player in Florida history to dish 200+ assists in a season.
No surprise there, because at LaTech, White's PG 'Speedy' Smith totaled a school-record 858 assists and holds the nation’s best total over the past four seasons. Smith was also the country’s single-season leader with 267 assists in 2014-15.

White's offense sucks, and he can't put players in positions to score you say???

UF opened the 2017-18 season scoring 100+ points in 4 of the first 5 games, marking the 1st time UF ever reached the century mark four times in a five-game span. The Gators also set season-opener school records for most points (116) and most 3-pointers made (15).

Florida’s offensive firepower was undeniable, as 5 different players combined for 22 individual 20-point performances.

~ Overall, 5 of the top 11 single-game 3-point performances in UF history have come during White’s short 3 year tenure.

The Gators put on a memorable show at the PK80 Tournament over last Thanksgiving, averaging 101 points over three games, including an epic double-overtime win vs. Gonzaga in which Jalen Hudson scored 35 points and Chiozza became the first Gator in more than 20 years to record a 25-point, 10-assist performance.

In only his 2nd season, in getting to an Elite-8, White helped the Gators reach 27 wins for just the 8th time in school history.

The Gators posted perhaps the most dominant 3-game stretch in program history during the 2016-17 season, downing LSU, Oklahoma and Missouri in succession by at least a 30-point margin. He gave OK their worst home loss in 95 years. The LSU & OK wins marked the first back-to-back 30-point road wins in program history.

I'll quit there, but those dissing on coach White need to do a little research before running their ignorant mouths. JMOHO of course...