Gaetz on Trump and Desantis
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What's interesting about it? The Skankipotimus is the most vile creature to ever enter US politics. Please explain.
This might be the post of the year.
We differ some on policy because I think the right picks fights that are not worth fighting for (e.g. Pro-choice) and are intellectually inconsistent (pro-choice on vaccines, but not on reproductive rights, etc.)/hard to defend/is bad policy (e.g. we already have massive budget deficits, who again is paying to take care of these kids?) or is unrealistic (e.g. you cannot always prevent unwanted pregnancies. Condoms break. Vascectomies are not 100%, etc.).
A very good example is here in Michigan. The primary winner Tudor Dixon (whom I voted for) can really press Gov. Whitmer (who has been good on a number of items) on things like the debilitating harm of unnecessary Covid-19 lockdowns. Whitmer now can press Tudor on abortion rights? Female centrists? Every time they will go with Whitmer. If Tudor was pro-choice which is really, "get the government out of it", then Tudor could rain down on Whitmer on border, crime, school choice (so, Gretchen - you believe in Women's rights to choose, but not to stick a jab in their body? What school to send their child? Really?) and flip the script.
Writ broadly, my issue at points, with the right/MAGA and with Trump is around unnecessary fights or undisciplined comments. It is also when pressed with hard questions, people don't give clear answers and back down.
Perfect example: contrast Sidney Powell on election fraud and Rand Paul on natural immunity and Lab Leak. Sidney, dodges, weaves, files "no reasonable person", etc. Rand Paul? Goes toe to toe with Fauci, and never backs down. So, what happens? The reasonable middle, independent media go, "hmmm....there IS something there". And surprise...Fauci announces retirement.
(8.4 Edit - Another example although far different context. Alex Jones, goes on trial, and is demolished in court and proven to be a liar.)
I am also an optimist. Ultimately what is in your hearts and people like JFeagly is some sort of secession which is that after decades of unrelenting immigration and in turn, an increasing hatred and obfuscation of the founding of the country in 1776 (not in 1619), we are moving to a point of irreconcilable differences.
Back to optimism, my real hope is with the newly and quickly emerging conservative hispanics in Texas and other places who left socialism and dictators for choice and freedom. They did it the right way and are aghast with what is happening as many of us are.
LatinX means nothing to them. Strong borders, strong police, strong families, low inflation and freedom and opportunity mean everything.
That gives me hope. Unfounded perhaps, but hope.
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And the results in from Kansas. Kansas. 60% wanted the government out of the reproductive rights decision.
www.cnn.com
If decisions are going to go to the States (and one could argue whether it should, good politics, etc.) then put it to a popular vote within the state. My bet is that most of them (not all) will continue to uphold a right to reproductive freedom.
+15 to Trump in 2020. And it lost by 19 in this vote. A 34 point swing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Kansas#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20six%20electoral%20votes%20in%20the%20Electoral%20College.&text=Kansas%20weighed%20in%20for%20this,Republican%20than%20the%20national%20average.
Six takeaways from Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Arizona and Washington primaries
Kansas voters handed abortion-rights advocates a massive victory Tuesday, surging to the polls to defeat a measure that would have allowed the GOP-led legislature to impose new restrictions.
www.cnn.com
If decisions are going to go to the States (and one could argue whether it should, good politics, etc.) then put it to a popular vote within the state. My bet is that most of them (not all) will continue to uphold a right to reproductive freedom.
+15 to Trump in 2020. And it lost by 19 in this vote. A 34 point swing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Kansas#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20six%20electoral%20votes%20in%20the%20Electoral%20College.&text=Kansas%20weighed%20in%20for%20this,Republican%20than%20the%20national%20average.
for the life of me...why do people NOT understand that our Constitution NEVER has had ANYTHING in it that granted federal rights to abortion? Because of our GREAT Supreme court...now this goes to the states,,where it should have been the whole time. Another instance where the left has just lied about reality. I give ZERO chits about abortion...I care BIGLY about 100% of the time, following our Constitution
Colorado resident citing CNN on how the public feels about abortion.And the results in from Kansas. Kansas. 60% wanted the government out of the reproductive rights decision.
Six takeaways from Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Arizona and Washington primaries
Kansas voters handed abortion-rights advocates a massive victory Tuesday, surging to the polls to defeat a measure that would have allowed the GOP-led legislature to impose new restrictions.
If decisions are going to go to the States (and one could argue whether it should, good politics, etc.) then put it to a popular vote within the state. My bet is that most of them (not all) will continue to uphold a right to reproductive freedom.
+15 to Trump in 2020. And it lost by 19 in this vote. A 34 point swing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Kansas#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20six%20electoral%20votes%20in%20the%20Electoral%20College.&text=Kansas%20weighed%20in%20for%20this,Republican%20than%20the%20national%20average.
Next.
American's foreign enemies understood that they could never conquer the armed Sovereign Citizens of America, but they also figured out that over time (they're patient) that as the Evil Billionaires like Soros, that they could buy the greedy corrupt Rat domestic enemies of politics, business, and the media-morons with enough of their tyrant/dictator stolen slave money.
So WTFU Sovereign Citizens, before you're forced to join the rest of the worlds gutless captured slaves.... 🤓
Can @Uniformed_ReRe give us an update on how Trump-endorsed candidates are doing so far this political season?
The Donald still puts his pants on one leg at a time, just like I do.
It's the MAGA Platform that's sparking this imo, not any phony worship of The Donald.
I'll give him credit for his MAGA stance and his 1st 4-Yr job, but he's just another good Sovereign Citizen, not he 2nd coming. And what I want in 2024, is another solid-strong MAGA Presidential candidate, but it doesn't have to be The Donald... 🤓
Ron DeSantis or Jim Jordan would be my 1st 2 choices right now, but that could change by 2024....
Captain - so, that is right. (and again, I am for a limited judiciary) Here is the problem, it is two-fold and perhaps three:
1. Dobbs did not ask to overturn Roe. It only put in a 15 week ban. (reasonably range, in my view, is 15-24 weeks, with anything after when the life and health of the mother is at risk)
2. Roe has been the law of the land for 50 years. Casey for 30. Stare decisis.
3. The new conservative justices, at their hearings, were asked about precedent and all of them, upheld the viability of the precedent. Kavanaugh said, "precedent upon precedent". Under oath, in the hearing. Technically, that is an impeachable offense.
So, Alito had essentially an "intellectual h.... on" and prompted an intellectual course.
Now, I think that we should codify things, in law, such as abortion, gay marriage, and take the judiciary out of it. Sounds like you agree. BUT if certain practitioners do not want to perform this work as they feel it is a violation of their religion (e.g. Muslim), then they should not be forced to.
Roe was always a crap ruling. And it wasn’t a “law”, it was a decision made by justices who were legislating from the bench.
How many times did the dems have control over all three branches? Why didn’t they actually codify abortion into Federal Law during any one of those times?
And Stare Decisis is a guideline but if it decides all cases forever we’ll never be able to review past decision.
Good news. No one took that away. Reproductive decision is made at the moment of the act of sex. Not afterwards.And the results in from Kansas. Kansas. 60% wanted the government out of the reproductive rights decision.
Six takeaways from Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Arizona and Washington primaries
Kansas voters handed abortion-rights advocates a massive victory Tuesday, surging to the polls to defeat a measure that would have allowed the GOP-led legislature to impose new restrictions.
If decisions are going to go to the States (and one could argue whether it should, good politics, etc.) then put it to a popular vote within the state. My bet is that most of them (not all) will continue to uphold a right to reproductive freedom.
+15 to Trump in 2020. And it lost by 19 in this vote. A 34 point swing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Kansas#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20six%20electoral%20votes%20in%20the%20Electoral%20College.&text=Kansas%20weighed%20in%20for%20this,Republican%20than%20the%20national%20average.
It’s like trying to allow backsies. That’s not how life works. There are consequences to decisions.
Also, our founders were smart enough to realize that they needed to form a constitutional republic, not a democracy. We don’t just create law by popular vote, and there is a reason for that. Again, we are a Republic.
More folks need to research how those are intended to function.
Hint: it’s not by popular vote. Although democrats would love for that to be the case. That’s one of many reasons dems and Rinos continue to refer to “our democracy”. It erodes at our very foundation.
I have NO PROBLEM about abortion...lets just do things the RIGHT way. Screw prescedant...make it LAW...or not. But being a Constitutional Republic...I truly believe it SHOULD be in the power of each state. Not just abortion..UNLESS it is protected in our Constitution...and it is not.
Roe v Wade is widely regarded as one of the worst rulings the SC has ever made, mainly because it was completely untethered from the Constitution. Kudos to the 5 Justices that followed the law and overturned an incorrect ruling that's led to the deaths of over 60M Americans.
And extra credit to Justice Thomas for correctly noting that if Roe v Wade and Casey are unconstitutional, that the Obergefell case is as well. And that if they hear a case that links to it, it will be overturned as well.
Which is exactly what happened with Dobbs undoing Roe and Casey. This SC decided to follow the law, not politics.
And I'm hugely disappointed in @grandhavendiddy for his embarrassing comments on the law in this thread. And also disappointed in myself for giving him the benefit of the doubt about his claims about his politics.
How long has infanticide been a precedent? A bit longer than RvW I'm betting.
RvW didn't legalize abortion, it just UN-CONSTITUTIONALLY removed it from the jurisdiction of people and the states, where it has always belonged.
Under the old RvW's 'Cheap Ho & Lazy Prostitute Act' -- Let's just mindlessly and irresponsibly screw-around, because we can always murder any unwanted babies and let Planned Infanticide sell it's body parts for a nice profit, even if was a live healthy birth....
RvW didn't legalize abortion, it just UN-CONSTITUTIONALLY removed it from the jurisdiction of people and the states, where it has always belonged.
Under the old RvW's 'Cheap Ho & Lazy Prostitute Act' -- Let's just mindlessly and irresponsibly screw-around, because we can always murder any unwanted babies and let Planned Infanticide sell it's body parts for a nice profit, even if was a live healthy birth....
The problem is that many people, including myself, want to have sex, in this case with a wife of 25 years without having another child. I do not have the money, the energy, etc. Further, my oldest has mild autism and may never work a day in her life. Autism tends to be genetic so that odds that third child (I have two) has autism is higher.
Now, back in 2006, I had a vasectomy. Are they 100%? Nope.
So, god forbid, my wife gets pregnant (she has not gone through menopause yet), are you and the Government REALLY telling me how live MY life? You are all up in arms about vaccine mandates and yet, for some reason, you really care here.
If you really care, go help my oldest out. Spend the money. Invest the hours - let alone the other one. Did the school district (public) do well by her? Sometimes, until it flamed out because it was too much. She then transferred to a Christian school (and I am pro-school choice), who would only take her, if my youngest one transferred in as well.
Guess what the cost was? $20K/year, for both. Any scholarships? Nope.
Best answer here: get the hell out of these decisions. There are 50M variants of these stories of people who try to do the right thing.
Now, are you saying do not have sex because you might have a baby, and "tough". Well then, buddy, you are getting in the middle of my "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
If you want a middle ground and say that says that if past 24 weeks (or 15), the child is viable outside of the womb and thus has rights and if my wife and I were worried, we should have aborted earlier? Yeah, that's fair. Within, say, 8 weeks, we should know. Now, if there is not availability in the hospital or other, then that is an implementation issue.
Lastly, if my wife has a health issue in the last trimester that she needs to prioritize over the baby, then I am going to protect my wife. It's a tragic thing - but again, its our life.
Guess what - 59%+ of people in Kansas, Kansas, said the same thing.
You don't want Fauci to tell you to put a "diaper on your face". Got it. Don't tell me I have to put one on a child that we do not want and very likely cannot afford.
Go help your oldest out? GFY. I have a 17 year old autistic son. You don’t hear me whining about it. He will require assistance the rest of his life, but is perfect. Awesome kid, more adults should be like him. Yet if he were aborted, many wouldn’t have gotten the chance to be taught the awesome life lessons he has taught many, including myself. I will gladly spend every dime I have on that kid, and never complain or bat an eye. Hope your kid never has to learn what a burden you think she is. How sad.
As for having a choice….you made that choice when you CHOSE to have unprotected sex. Nobody is getting in the way of shit sir. Your rights remain intact. There are several ways to prevent pregnancy. Be proactive, not reactive. You have too many options at your disposal to say it was “an accident”.
Abortions are not constitutional rights, and have zero to do with your right to “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness”. They do however, get in the way of the aborted babies right to all three.
As for Kansas….again, you don’t seem to grasp how a constitutional republic works. We are not a democracy. I suggest you learn the difference so you don’t keep thinking we make laws based on polling. Our founders knew there would be folks like you. They were damn smart.
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You completely missed my point. Completely.
I was talking about having a 3rd child. Not my first. My first two are blessings and we celebrate them both. Do we want a third? Nope. Did I get a vasectomy? Yep. Are they 100% effective. Nope.
I have more than reasonable choices throughout my life.
If something happens, I have zero interest in you, the michigan legislature, or other, telling me what to do. Because, cut the BS, you nor the state government will do much if anything to help out. 21 years have proven that. My bet is that you and your wife had to bust your butts to make your sons life happy and productive.
If you want to have another child, and that one happens to be autistic, I wish you all the best. If you chose to abort it for reasons similar or mine - you do you man.
As for the constitutional republic - I get i and fully support it. I believe in the Electoral college. Why do D want illegal immigation, lower voting laws, remove the filibuster and abolition of the electoral college? So that they over populate a few states and win control. We all get that.
At the state level, they can choose how to codify laws. They chose a popular vote. And it failed.
Why? Because the majority, significantly, want abortion rights.
And for R - it's both crappy policy and politics. Regardless, as you have zero interest in me telling you what masks or vaccines to take, don't tell me on this.
It's that simple and consistent.
I was talking about having a 3rd child. Not my first. My first two are blessings and we celebrate them both. Do we want a third? Nope. Did I get a vasectomy? Yep. Are they 100% effective. Nope.
I have more than reasonable choices throughout my life.
If something happens, I have zero interest in you, the michigan legislature, or other, telling me what to do. Because, cut the BS, you nor the state government will do much if anything to help out. 21 years have proven that. My bet is that you and your wife had to bust your butts to make your sons life happy and productive.
If you want to have another child, and that one happens to be autistic, I wish you all the best. If you chose to abort it for reasons similar or mine - you do you man.
As for the constitutional republic - I get i and fully support it. I believe in the Electoral college. Why do D want illegal immigation, lower voting laws, remove the filibuster and abolition of the electoral college? So that they over populate a few states and win control. We all get that.
At the state level, they can choose how to codify laws. They chose a popular vote. And it failed.
Why? Because the majority, significantly, want abortion rights.
And for R - it's both crappy policy and politics. Regardless, as you have zero interest in me telling you what masks or vaccines to take, don't tell me on this.
It's that simple and consistent.
They are apples and oranges comparisons.
One is a virus with the government telling me how I have to handle it. I Didn’t have a choice.
The other, someone made a CHOICE to have sex, and also now wants to be able to have a second choice. You know who doesn’t get a Choice? At all? The child.
Yet you want 2 choices.
You’re consistency argument might work if the arguments were the same. They aren’t.
And no, I didn’t miss your point.
lastly, you keep asking for others help because of CHOICES you make? First you want me to help, now the Government? What a joke. @GhostOfMatchesMalone was right. You’re a lib.
