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Actually, pretty darn good. He passed for more yards than "the other guy" and equaled his INTs. Turnovers were key as was the failed 4-down attempt at scoring on that 2nd drive (kudos to ORE's defense on that).
FSU put up 540 yards of offense...that's enough for a very competitive game (and in many cases a win).
That other guy threw 2 TD passes and ran for another. That other guy also had a higher completion percentage and a better QB rating for that game. That other guy as well as Tebow, Vince Young, etc likely will end up having a better college career than Winston as well if he wins the National Title next week.
Those are true statements.
So my question is:
Is the loss Winston's fault or the combination FSU paltry defense and turnovers? My assertion is that Winston's game was clearly good enough for the team to have won.
I think JW played well enough to win. You guys just ran into a better team, one that forces turnovers and maked your defense look silly. The only gift TO I remember is the awesome Benny Hill Jameis Winston backwards throw slash fumble.
I'm on board with that...funny Benny Hill video and all.
Not sure why folks keep pinning this loss on Jameis. I get that he's hated, but the kid can ball.
Yes in that particular game he played good enough to win the game. With that being said there were a few games this season where the team won the game and he played poorly.
How many fumbles did each QB have? And how many of those were returned for a TD?
Nole can point to the two fumbles by Cook as the reason they lost, but Winston had as many TOs as Cook. One of which led directly to six points.
The real culprit was FSU's defense though.
I have also heard that QB's who have been intercepted 4 times in the first half were 0-20 until we played FSU. Now they are 1-20. Usually enough for a win there too.
Just talking about this on FB today...Winston is a very good player but on top of being a pos the guy has a lot of holes in his game. He's very good but Nole fans act like he's the second coming of Christ.
Tebow didn't win against 1 Bama team in '09...I wouldn't even say that he was bad...in '08 Tebow came from behind to beat Bama and without Percy too. Tebow was a phenom in college...way better player than Winston...Winston might be a better pro and better suited for the NFL and Tebow...of course Nole fans as a whole say some of the dumbest chit in the world. lol
NFL Security has almost as many eyes and ears than the FBI. If Jameis goes in the first round, it means that some very smart people, with a lot on the line, have concluded that his off-the-field issues are not a serious concern -- at least in terms of being a threat to their organization.
How could we possible prove who has him or doesn't have him on their draft board? I wasn't saying he wouldn't be drafted top 2, very good chance of that....but it is not out of the realm of possibility he slips either, and if the slide happens, he could drop farther than the nole minions could comprehend, and it would be due to his character issues, as there are reportedly teams that have him off their draft board....get it???
Sheesh, right now, all you have is Kiper and McShay talking to be talking. Every single year, they start off with a "draft board" that looks nothing like the one they are hawking the day before the draft. None of the 32 teams have interviewed Winston and none have completed investigations*. Based upon his skills, Winston looks like a first rounder. But neither he nor Mariotta are "can't miss" picks, and its not certain Tampa will keep the pick and will likely take the best defensive lineman if they don't trade out. It wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee takes him. But if they decide giving him $40 million is too much of a risk or that they can't sell the guy to their fans, he will almost assuredly slip out of the first because few teams need a new QB at that price and virtually none need the PR nightmare that comes with him.
* When NFL teams are completing investigations, they will take FSU fan blogs and "cleat chaser" silliness with a grain of salt given the amount of money they are talking about giving the kid. What they will see are multiple accusations of sexual misconduct which were immediately reported, an ongoing investigation into and lawsuit against his former school, multiple issues with authority including with his own coach, dishonesty when caught in the wrong and an entitled attitude due to years of coddling.
* When NFL teams are completing investigations, they will take FSU fan blogs and "cleat chaser" silliness with a grain of salt given the amount of money they are talking about giving the kid. What they will see are multiple accusations of sexual misconduct which were immediately reported, an ongoing investigation into and lawsuit against his former school, multiple issues with authority including with his own coach, dishonesty when caught in the wrong and an entitled attitude due to years of coddling.
What the NFL will conclude is that Jameis has been investigated by three separate independent tribunals, and never has even been charged with a misdemeanor, let alone rape, relative to the cleat chaser 'he said - she said" brouhaha.
Tampa will take Jameis first overall because he's the best, most NFL-ready prospect in decades, perhaps ever.
Tampa will take Jameis first overall because he's the best, most NFL-ready prospect in decades, perhaps ever.
