that Jameis is the, get this. the best to ever play the game. Based on what criteria? Number of women raped/ assaulted, # of F bombs dropped in mixed company, # of thefts committed or number of times Jimbo/FSU/ TPD looked the other way? Tim Tebow won more championships and somehow managed to do so without committing any crimes so he may well be the best to ever play the game.
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Winston was very good but IMO he isn't even the best player in FSU history. I still think that designation belongs to Charlie Ward. Ward, Tebow and Vince Young right off the top of my head were better college players than Winston. Heck it could be argued that if Oregon wins the national title that Mariotta also is a better college player than Winston.
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This post was edited on 1/4 4:01 PM by PacoGator19
2013. Yes it happened. Benjamin. 2014, no Benjamin. Still Jameis. A year under Jameis's belt, the team should have even been better. So what happened in 2014? FSU trailed in all but 2 games the whole season long and was the absolute worst undefeated team in NCAA statistics by the end of it all.
So yeah, I'm just pointing out ONE single player that was as important or more important to 2013 than Jameis. If Jameis stays this year and you lose your TE O'Leary which has bailed him out in just about every game THIS year, then what will he look like in 2015? Probably as bad if not worse than Jeff Driskel.
Ridiculous. I'd take Cam, Tebow, Manziel, Vince Young, and Mike Vick over him. And that's just QB's off the top of my head. If you go overall players then you have guys like Reggie Bush, Clowney, Calvin Johnson, etc. He's definitely one of the better QB's but best ever? Nah.
LOL. So Tebow was horrible against Bama and that one bad game means he wasn't as good as Winston. Also there is a lot more to QB than just passing and to be considered one of the greatest players of all time. Again Ward, Tebow, Vince Young were all better college players than Winston. And like I said earlier I may put Marriota over Winston as well if he wins the national title. Statistically speaking Winston's stats weren't that great this year. Ward, Young and Tebow were all winners and put up great stats. Don't forget Tebow not only won the Heisman, but finished 2nd as well in a different year. Winston didn't get close to a 2nd Heisman.
LMAO. 'Lost' is the word you're looking for. And yea, it was all Cook's fault. Are you gonna credit Cook for the Miami, Louisville, UF and GT games that he won almost singlehandedly also? Otherwise, Winston would have a minimum of 4 losses this year. Or does Winston get all the credit for every win?
This is pure comedy. So only the QB gets credit for winning games. Sure the QB is very very important, but it is a team game. Like Oozie said Winston played some bad games this year and games that the reason his team struggled were do to a bunch of TOs.
It doesn't matter Winston isn't going down as the greatest colle player ever. There are already guys like Tebow, Young and even Mariotta in the last decade or so that were better college players than Winston. A lot of players have won a natty title and a Heisman trophy. It doesn't make you the greatest college player ever.
Doesn't Tebow have 2 national title's a Heisman trophy and a 2nd place in another Heisman trophy ballot.
It doesn't matter Winston isn't going down as the greatest colle player ever. There are already guys like Tebow, Young and even Mariotta in the last decade or so that were better college players than Winston. A lot of players have won a natty title and a Heisman trophy. It doesn't make you the greatest college player ever.
Doesn't Tebow have 2 national title's a Heisman trophy and a 2nd place in another Heisman trophy ballot.
The QB gets the credit in Jameis's case because he was just so dominan last year. He had one fluke fumble against Oregon but that was his only mistake. If yall were honest with yourselves you would pick Jameis up as the first player if you was building a team. Plus his interceptions this year were about 85% because we was breaking in new wide receivers. They quit on a lot of routes and ran the wrong routes. Not Jameis's fault.
Que? During those games Jameis was largely ineffective, like the UF game for example when Jameis was throwing up all over himself. Cook put the offense on his back. Likewise against Louisville when Jameis couldn't stop throwing to the other team.
I think you guys are more obsessed with Jameis Winston than Nole fans. I don't think there were this many Tebow threads (on WC) during his run...and that guy really got under the Noles collective skin (to many he still does today), but heck, even Angus has him in his signature block.
I think it's about the same. Which is why Jameis is the GOAT. Period. End of story. 29-1.Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
I think you guys are more obsessed with Jameis Winston than Nole fans. I don't think there were this many Tebow threads (on WC) during his run...and that guy really got under the Noles collective skin (to many he still does today), but heck, even Angus has him in his signature block.
Oozie...curious your thoughts on JW's int increase this year (assuming you've seen most of the games). Albeit a lot of the early one's were tipped balls or off the hands of receivers, but as the season progressed it was though he was throwing to where receivers should have been. So, my question is how much blame do you put on the young receivers (Lane, Wilson, Rudolph)?
You said yourself, O'Leary bailed him out a lot (which is true). Why is that? Winston forgetting how to read coverage, check down or receivers not as polished as the combo of Shaw, Benjamin and Greene? Often it looked like JW was chewing arse on WR's as though they should have been somewhere else. Winston had a knack for threading needles last year that he wasn't able to always do this year.
Igloo, you see this guy? Or will and the other regulars not claim him as yours, and to be an aberration, not the norm? Whatever obsession you claim onto is but a mere fraction of the obsession you and the other minions have with propping him up, defending him, and practically ordaining him...or do you really, in your heart of hearts consider jamie to be the greatest player of all time and of possessing a character of the highest order?Originally posted by fsumc:
I think it's about the same. Which is why Jameis is the GOAT. Period. End of story. 29-1.Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
I think you guys are more obsessed with Jameis Winston than Nole fans. I don't think there were this many Tebow threads (on WC) during his run...and that guy really got under the Noles collective skin (to many he still does today), but heck, even Angus has him in his signature block.
Igloo, I think it's a combo of a lot of things. One of which was clearly young receivers not being on the same page with him. A second factor was teams having more film on him and knowing how to attack him. And another factor was Jameis attempting throws that he shouldn't have been that probably would have gone for a big gain a year ago with Benjamin. Any ball within a few feet of him was an automatic completion and FSU clearly didn't have a guy like him this year.
Yes, I see him. I guess you would have to define GOAT. For me, it's a combination of on/off field accomplishments. In the QB realm, Chollie is my #1. As a complete player/person overall, I'd go with Dunn (Nole speaking only).
JW has a lot of football left to play and a lot of growing up to do before I put him up there with the likes of Ward and Weinke. Kid has an amazing talent for sure, what he does with it will determine his "GOAT" status.
I mostly answered your question(s) above, but my defense of JW has been limited to one area; sexual assault. I've been pretty clear it has nothing to do with his talent or the fact he's a Nole (although him being a Nole is what generated my interest to dig deeper than the media).
I stand firm in that JW's behavior in the shadow of the rape accusations was moronic. However, I will say without that shadow, his antics would have barely registered as a blip on the radar. That said, with him being IN that shadow, he should have walked the path of Caine from Kung Fu.
Here's something else most on here (or elsewhere) don't want to acknowledge, but the off-the-field stuff must have had some level of impact, wouldn't you think? I mean, deserved or not, to have that type of scrutiny constantly hanging over your head has to have an affect. Right?
Heck, just being called to the principals office as a kid, I'd skip lunch due to my stomach being in knots.
Then surely you can see your folly in blanketing Gators on a Gators board as obsessed for merely discussing nole musings on jamie having already earned placement as the best of all time.
IMO, the greatest nole as far as on the field is surely Deion. All around, Dunn and Ward....greatest person Brooks...
IMO, the greatest nole as far as on the field is surely Deion. All around, Dunn and Ward....greatest person Brooks...
But you had to travel to a Nole board to find those musings, right?
...although, I'm seeing some do make deliveries.
You aren't going to impress UF fans in a Winston argument considering he went 12-24 for 125 yards and 4 INTs this season against a UF secondary that got torched on numerous occasions.
Of course it must just be bad timing, noles extolling jamie's virtues following his total humiliation....couldn't have anything to do with lil' brother's constant need to seek approval....Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
But you had to travel to a Nole board to find those musings, right?
...although, I'm seeing some do make deliveries.
Not sure why/how Jameis was "humiliated?" He threw for more yards than Mariota and equaled his INTs. It would be one thing if FSU was completely stifled, but we had 530 yards of offense. Turnovers (which were caused by ORE and I give them full credit) were the difference in this game. Rarely do you turn the ball over 5 times and win. Heck, FSU held ORE to it's lowest 1st half point total on the season (a stat you guys touted in our 2013 game).
FTR, I'm not making excuses as turnovers are part of the game. ORE made them happen and then capitalized on them by scoring (where FSU also struggled...the redzone). Hat's off to the better team that night.
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FSU had about a month to prepare for Oregons offense. While Oregon's offense is very good it helps that FSUs defense isn't that good and struggled all year long. FSU doesn't have a very good DC and it could be a problem for them moving forward.
Danny Wuerffel and his 4 straight sec titles and historic passing efficiency rating says, "hello."
Also note that Danny won his national title when his chief instate rival had one if it's best ever teams, if not the best team ever to play at FSU period. That was 1996. In 2013, Jameis won his national title when his chief instate rival had it's worst season in 40 years, not to mention Miami has also been irrelevant for over 10 years now.
Originally posted by fsumc:
Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
I think you guys are more obsessed with Jameis Winston than Nole fans. I don't think there were this many Tebow threads (on WC) during his run...and that guy really got under the Noles collective skin (to many he still does today), but heck, even Angus has him in his signature block.You are completely delusional, you're basing his GOATness on 29-1?. Look, he's a good QB and should get drafted in the first round and might have a fine career, but Jameis played up and down all year, barely scrapping by bad teams the entire way.
Last year was their last best chance, and this year proved that. With their schedule they pretty much have to be undefeated, and after the Rose Bowl need to be an impressive undefeated to get selected. And once selected, it will be a very very rare team for them to b able to beat back-to-back top five teams. They won last year on a very weak schedule and against the weakest SEC champ in many years, and it sill took having the "phenom" jamie and some very good bounces for that to happen. All those stars and planets will not line up for them again like that any time soon.
