Forgotten History - who was the first man to own slaves in Colonial America

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

what I don’t get about you reggie is how after all you listed you still vote democrap and are still a liberal and are still filled with hate - no one can change the past. My family owned slaves - nothing I can do or change about that - am I ashamed - no. it was a different time and place. I wil pray for you teggie in hopes that Jesus will st some point cleanse you of your hate as carrying all that will wear you down.

Y'all are wasting your time trying to justify yourself to @RayGravesGhost. If he cared about blacks, he wouldn't be voting democrat. Abortion is the leading killer of blacks, and it's also the most important issue to the democratic party platform. Margaret Sanger, a WHITE WOMAN was a PROUD EUGENICIST who made no bones about the fact that she wanted to use abortion as a tool to ELIMINATE THE BLACK RACE. She even targeted black pastors to spread the abortion message to their congregations.

So @RayGravesGhost openly supports the party that hunted blacks in the 19th century, that denied them their civil rights in the 20th century, and today who champions the #1 killer of blacks.

Obviously, he could care less about what benefits the black community, or else he wouldn't be voting for the party whose stated goal is to support the tool which can be used to eradicate them from the planet.

Which is why it's pointless to attempt to explain to ray ray that you know how dems hurt blacks in the past or present. This isn't a racial argument for him, it's a political one.

Otherwise he wouldn't be blindly supporting the dems.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

When malone isn't busy calling black people dumb...he's busy calling black people dumb

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I actually can see why “Reggie” (y’all seem to know RGG’s name so my apologies if that’s not his name) is a person whose life experience has hardened him.
But his bitterness is chewing him up on the inside more than his angry words are tearing up nasty white folks on the outside.
I’m old enough to remember at 7 years old getting on a city bus in Jacksonville in my Catholic school uniform and being told by the semi toothless bus driver “you Catholic kids get on to the back and sit with the “n*****” maids. He was probably the same “good Christian” who handed out the snakes at his backwoods primitive church on Sunday.
I spent the summer of 1962 in Hattiesburg Mississippi with my Aunt and Uncle when they’d just moved there for a job transfer. We went to Mass one Sunday when the priest made the announcement that effective immediately the Catholic school would be integrated on orders to integrate and there were shouts followed by some people getting up and walking out of the church.
We couldn’t go swimming at the city pool because they had closed it rather than let “colored” people in.
I was going into the 8th grade and my sister was going into the 4th. We came home on a Greyhound bus by ourselves (unheard of today) from Hattiesburg through Mobile where they had an armed guard making sure no “colored” people tried to use a “whites only” bathroom.
I can remember we stopped in Bonifay and the driver said “we’re stopping for an hour and y’all folks can get food in the bus stop cafe. You coloreds can get something out the back window”.
I remember separate water fountains at the Winn Dixie where my Mother shopped. I remember the lunch counter for whites only at the Grant’s facing Hemming Park in downtown Jax.
And I remember my parents didn’t talk about why things were the way they were so I never understood it. They were blue collar people who kept their heads down and their mouths shut.
And they always voted Democrat.

And this relates to your first post how?
Or your 2nd post in this thread?


As a matter of fact...what does ANY of that have to do with the OP?

This thread is aboust some clown crap about a black man being the first slave owner

And after a whole lotta of avoiding the actual topic its turned into a thread of white people telling a
black person the lessons to be learned and how he should think about civil rights

And in general...the thing they're most upset about is anyone discussing the truth about the role white people had in it. Unlike the OP which is a complete 100% falsehood.

That they didn't have a problem with...

I've showed you that the OP doesn't even make chronological sense...Its 100% verifiably FALSE

But this thread really went off the rails when Stokley Charmichael was invoked
He was author of some of the most racially charged rhetoric of the 60s civil rights era

And you consider my post "angry"? 🤣

 

[goldmom]

And this relates to your first post how?
Or your 2nd post in this thread?


As a matter of fact...what does ANY of that have to do with the OP?

This thread is aboust some clown crap about a black man being the first slave owner

And after a whole lotta of avoiding the actual topic its turned into a thread of white people telling a
black person the lessons to be learned and how he should think about civil rights

And in general...the thing they're most upset about is anyone discussing the truth about the role white people had in it. Unlike the OP which is a complete 100% falsehood.

That they didn't have a problem with...

I've showed you that the OP doesn't even make chronological sense...Its 100% verifiably FALSE

But this thread really went off the rails when Stokley Charmichael was invoked
He was author of some of the most racially charged rhetoric of the 60s civil rights era

And you consider my post "angry"? 🤣

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Stokely was a REALLY angry black man who had every right to BE really really angry. Do you disagree?
You’re going to tell me you fail to see that white people of his similar age and generation - baby boomers - were hearing this and we NEEDED to hear it because we grew up as kids in separate and unequal America and were only vaguely aware of the daily injustices forced on fellow Americans.
I have no argument to make about the OP’s assertion about who owned the first slave in America but it sounds like revisionism at its finest.
And I still say that I knew James Baldwin was a great writer without knowing who he slept with. I don’t know who
Hemingway or Shakespeare slept with either. It’s not relevant to me or to most unless we choose to delve into it on our own.
Are you so invested in being angry you don’t see that your shouting at white folk on a message board just becomes some noise in the system?
You’re making yourself a useful tool for white elites in the Democratic Party but you must not care.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You’re making yourself a useful tool for white elites in the Democratic Party but you must not care.

Ray ray a sellout to his own race.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Stokely was a REALLY angry black man who had every right to BE really really angry. Do you disagree?
You’re going to tell me you fail to see that white people of his similar age and generation - baby boomers - were hearing this and we NEEDED to hear it because we grew up as kids in separate and unequal America and were only vaguely aware of the daily injustices forced on fellow Americans.

goldmom Translation: But America is united & equal now 🤣

I have no argument to make about the OP’s assertion about who owned the first slave in America but it sounds like revisionism at its finest.

There is no argument...even the fake news video says that Punch was sentenced to life servitude with a different owner

What is there to argue? 🤣

And I still say that I knew James Baldwin was a great writer without knowing who he slept with. I don’t know who
Hemingway or Shakespeare slept with either. It’s not relevant to me or to most unless we choose to delve into it on our own.

Then you totally missed what Baldwin was writing about

Are you so invested in being angry you don’t see that your shouting at white folk on a message board just becomes some noise in the system?

Again who's angry? I wonder if that would have been your response to Stokley Carmichael 60 years ago

I mean you did say you didn't really understand what was going on
So he must have just seemed like an unjustified angry black person to you

And you've shown your growth over the last 60 with your attitude towards these two guys

You’re making yourself a useful tool for white elites in the Democratic Party but you must not care.

Why? Because I pointed out the OP is wrong...you don't know crap about Baldwin...and you appreciate Stokley Carmichael's anger becuase you think it was warranted then but not by black people now?


I guess you see some value in your shouting at black people in a message forum? 🤣

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

 

[goldmom]

goldmom Translation: But America is united & equal now 🤣



There is no argument...even the fake news video says that Punch was sentenced to life servitude with a different owner

What is there to argue? 🤣



Then you totally missed what Baldwin was writing about



Again who's angry? I wonder if that would have been your response to Stokley Carmichael 60 years ago

I mean you did say you didn't really understand what was going on
So he must have just seemed like an unjustified angry black person to you

And you've shown your growth over the last 60 with your attitude towards these two guys

Why? Because I pointed out the OP is wrong...you don't know crap about Baldwin...and you appreciate Stokley Carmichael's anger becuase you think it was warranted then but not by black people now?


I guess you see some value in your shouting at black people in a message forum? 🤣

Your comebacks and retorts are growing weaker and frankly - more juvenile.
That tells me that you are allowing yourself to operate from anger and agitation rather than the ability to have a rational discussion.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Your comebacks and retorts are growing weaker and frankly - more juvenile.
That tells me that you are allowing yourself to operate from anger and agitation rather than the ability to have a rational discussion.

I didn't recognize this as a rational discussion from the OP

But I do recognize people who think they're justifed in telling black people about themselves but freak out if a black person tells a white person about them

Using your "logic" you must be really angry...

Here's Angela Davis today...is she unjustifiably angry too?

 

[NavigatorII]

Your comebacks and retorts are growing weaker and frankly - more juvenile.
That tells me that you are allowing yourself to operate from anger and agitation rather than the ability to have a rational discussion.

I'll take your word for it. 😂

 

[goldmom]

I didn't recognize this as a rational discussion from the OP

But I do recognize people who think they're justifed in telling black people about themselves but freak out if a black person tells a white person about them

Using your "logic" you must be really angry...

I have no reason to be angry. I am a white person so therefore I have had privilege since the day I was born, right?

My only misstep here was daring to say that I lived through the very turbulent times as a kid and young person and I have a recollection of a group of very angry Black people in my generation who like it or not forced conversations that finally pushed civil rights into the forefront. My God - I mean look at me - I’m white. Only Black people can correctly shed the proper light on what they said and did, right?
And I guess Angela Davis better shut up in her old age now that Skip Gates has revealed the amount of white DNA she has, right?
You’re just a wee bit overwrought here, RGG. Breathe.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I have no reason to be angry. I am a white person so therefore I have had privilege since the day I was born, right?

Nah...white grievance makes the privileged angry all the time

Just look at the posts of trumpers on this thread

And then there was this...

My only misstep here was daring to say that I lived through the very turbulent times as a kid and young person and I have a recollection of a group of very angry Black people in my generation who like it or not forced conversations that finally pushed civil rights into the forefront.

No and then you went much further...saying black people younger than you don't have anything to be angry about now...or have you forgotten the affirmative action and opening doors comments?

My God - I mean look at me - I’m white. Only Black people can correctly shed the proper light on what they said and did, right?

No anyone can make an analysis...yours was that blacks younger than you don't appreciate past civil rights leaders and haven't experienced racism

And I guess Angela Davis better shut up in her old age now that Skip Gates has revealed the amount of white DNA she has, right?

No. I don't need to make another point about how you've twisted things but I really can't ignore this

You're referring to the "1 drop rule" and accusing black people of making that up?

That was the creation of white people...don't get it twisted and accuse black people of doing that

You’re just a wee bit overwrought here, RGG. Breathe.

Says the woman who wants to assign a racist theory of genetics made up by white people on black people

 

[goldmom]

Nah...white grievance makes the privileged angry all the time

Just look at the posts of trumpers on this thread

And then there was this...

No and then you went much further...saying black people younger than you don't have anything to be angry about now...or have you forgotten the affirmative action and opening doors comments?



No anyone can make an analysis...yours was that blacks younger than you don't appreciate past civil rights leaders and haven't experienced racism



No. I don't need to make another point about how you've twisted things but I really can't ignore this

You're referring to the "1 drop rule" and accusing black people of making that up?

That was the creation of white people...don't get it twisted and accuse black people of doing that



Says the woman who wants to assign a racist theory of genetics made up by white people on black people

Provide the quote where I assigned jack shit about a racist theory of genetics or take the L and sit down.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

My God - I mean look at me - I’m white. Only Black people can correctly shed the proper light on what they said and did, right?
And I guess Angela Davis better shut up in her old age now that Skip Gates has revealed the amount of white DNA she has, right?

This isn't you asking me if I think Angela Davis should be told to shut up because of her white DNA?

This is you expressing Davis's whiteness based on a percentage of her DNA

And that whole idea came from here



https://lithub.com/how-the-one-drop-rule-became-a-tool-of-white-supremacy/
How the “One Drop Rule” Became a Tool of White [BANNED TERM]
Yaba Blay on Historical Definitions of Race
By Yaba Blay
February 22, 2021

But what really lay beneath their physical fears were their psychological ones. In order to maintain white [banned term], whiteness had to remain “pure.” White anxieties about racial mixture were rooted in eugenics and scientific racism, both supposing that the white race was the superior race, that physical and mental traits were tied to heredity, and that racial mixing thus not only lowered human quality but further threatened the survival of the white race. Within this framework, Blackness was considered a contaminant, one poisonous enough to taint and further cripple an entire gene pool. As will become clear, the one-drop rule would be critical not only in the defense of the white race but in the concentration of white power.

 

[goldmom]

I’m just SO glad and grateful my family had not arrived in this country when ignorant fools wrote those laws.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I’m just SO glad and grateful my family had not arrived in this country when ignorant fools wrote those laws.

And here you are in 2023 espousing that same ignorance...

 

[BamaFan1137]

Ray accusing others of being angry? 😂

 

[RayGravesGhost]

ANOTHER example of barney fife not engaging w/ me 😂

I have a pet stalker

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Ray accusing others of being angry? 😂

Internal conflict. He chooses his party over his race. Saw this when he started the thread about Louisville being racist towards blacks. As soon as he was educated on the fact that currently Louisville's mayor and police depts are run by dems, and that they have been for the last 150 years, he dropped the thread. IOW, as soon as he found out that Louisville was a racist city BECAUSE OF DEMS, he moved on.

He's a sellout. Thus the internal conflict.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Internal conflict. He chooses his party over his race. Saw this when he started the thread about Louisville being racist towards blacks. As soon as he was educated on the fact that currently Louisville's mayor and police depts are run by dems, and that they have been for the last 150 years, he dropped the thread. IOW, as soon as he found out that Louisville was a racist city BECAUSE OF DEMS, he moved on.

He's a sellout. Thus the internal conflict.

He's a victim and a race baiter. Being a Democrat comes a distant 3rd imho.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

He's a victim and a race baiter. Being a Democrat comes a distant 3rd imho.

Well those are qualities of a 'good' democrat.

 

[goldmom]

And here you are in 2023 espousing that same ignorance...

If you were able to stop being angry and looking over your shoulder at the past, the present would be too full of realities that you may have to see for yourself.
I wonder if you know that but you choose not to look ahead on purpose.
As long as the Democrats hold you in their sway they’ve got it made.
For now I’m putting you on ignore because engaging with you is pointless, but I hope you are able at some point in your life to see the truth. That no one wants to deny you your ability to vote or work or achieve or live your life in peace.
Best wishes to you.

 

[goldmom]

And here you are in 2023 espousing that same ignorance...

I’m doing NO SUCH THING and you know it.
I was making a joke. Homeless drunk bums have bigger issues complicating their existence than voting and renting an apartment. Surely you are not espousing the idea that there could be truth in that meme?
Never mind. You just want to scream at a bunch of white people. Sad situation.
Bye.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

If you were able to stop being angry and looking over your shoulder at the past, the present would be too full of realities that you may have to see for yourself.
I wonder if you know that but you choose not to look ahead on purpose.
As long as the Democrats hold you in their sway they’ve got it made.
For now I’m putting you on ignore because engaging with you is pointless, but I hope you are able at some point in your life to see the truth. That no one wants to deny you your ability to vote or work or achieve or live your life in peace.
Best wishes to you.

Lefties LOVE them some gubment freebies

 

[BamaFan1137]

If you were able to stop being angry and looking over your shoulder at the past, the present would be too full of realities that you may have to see for yourself.
I wonder if you know that but you choose not to look ahead on purpose.
As long as the Democrats hold you in their sway they’ve got it made.
For now I’m putting you on ignore because engaging with you is pointless, but I hope you are able at some point in your life to see the truth. That no one wants to deny you your ability to vote or work or achieve or live your life in peace.
Best wishes to you.

Very well said.

Ray occasionally says hurtful things but I certainly don't hate him. In fact I love him because God commands me to do so.

 

[EvilWayz]

Very well said.

Ray occasionally says hurtful things but I certainly don't hate him. In fact I love him because God commands me to do so.

I, on the other hand, am hindered by no such obligation.

Numquam ignosces
Numquam obliviscar
Te ipsum vindicta.

 

[NavigatorII]

Very well said.

Ray occasionally says hurtful things but I certainly don't hate him. In fact I love him because God commands me to do so.

I've always had issues with authority. So for those reasons, I am out!!

 

[BamaFan1137]

I, on the other hand, am hindered by no such obligation.

Numquam ignosces
Numquam obliviscar
Te ipsum vindicta.

As goldmom has so effectively articulated, his anger is harmful to him and him alone. It can be contagious but luckily I got the jab. 😂

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Homeless drunk bums have bigger issues complicating their existence than voting and renting an apartment.

Is this a joke also?
I'll ask the question now to eliminate your lameass attempts to make excuses for your posts

Who are you to determine whether a homeless person has bigger issues than voting?

Like I said before and in the meme which obviously went right over your head...

You think its OK to supress the vote...to deny the right of other citizens because they're homeless
or have a drug problem. Please show us where in the Constitution it says that.

Surely you are not espousing the idea that there could be truth in that meme?

Don't worry the "truth" in the meme is a concept you have shown you can't grasp

Never mind. You just want to scream at a bunch of white people. Sad situation.
Bye.

The usual conservative exit around here...run after posting dumb crap 🤣

 

[BamaFan1137]

The usual conservative exit around here...run after posting dumb crap 🤣

Whereas you, as a lib, have a tendency to double-down after posting dumb crap? Sounds about right.

Look, we just eventually get the point that you can't be reached so we stop trying. You can claim that as a W if it makes you feel better...you eventually wore her down with your stubborn doltishness and your vapid nature. Congratulations I guess.

Maybe, like I do, she'll occasionally offer you some attention in hopes of getting through to you. But again, like me, she'll probably be wasting her valuable time.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Whereas you, as a lib, have a tendency to double-down after posting dumb crap? Sounds about right.

Look, we just eventually get the point that you can't be reached so we stop trying. You can claim that as a W if it makes you feel better...you eventually wore her down with your stubborn doltishness and your vapid nature. Congratulations I guess.

That's one of your problems...of which you have many
You're here trying to get a "W"... so you think everyone else here must be also

First of all you're too damn stupid to get a "W" 😂
Second you spend most of your time talking about yourself or other posters

You're basically a fanboy for malone navi nail & ron

You bring nothing to the table

But besides those facts
I'd love to hear of all the times you've been "reached" by someone here you disagree with

There...that should give you chance to post about your favorite useless subject

Yourself

Maybe, like I do, she'll occasionally offer you some attention in hopes of getting through to you. But again, like me, she'll probably be wasting her valuable time.

Ooooh that's just so deep...

You post like a teenage girl on social media...riveting stuff there Barney...riveting

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I
Never mind. You just want to scream at a bunch of white people. Sad situation.
Bye.

Who knows maybe you think this guy is screaming at white people too? 🤣


https://www.yahoo.com/news/thanks-missouri-voter-id-law-100000054.html
Thanks to Missouri’s voter ID law, Kansas Citians must pay to vote. I refuse to do it

Voting must be free​

I moved back from Michigan in September 1975 and registered to vote in Kansas City in 1976, and later in eastern Jackson County. I have missed three elections since then.

But this month, even though I am a registered voter, I was told I could not cast a ballot at my normal polling place. I presented my clearly labeled Jackson County voter identification card. I was told I needed a photo ID. So I showed a current credit card that has my picture on it. I was told no.

The poll worker requested my driver’s license. I said that is for driving, and I paid for it. The worker requested my passport. I said that is for leaving the country, and I paid for it.


Voting is supposed to be free, and voters should simply have to be registered. I am. If picture ID is required by law, it must be provided for free — otherwise, it costs a person to vote. The Missouri Department of Revenue charges a fee for a nondriver ID card.

I didn’t vote because I refused to pay for it. The workers at my polling place were very nice, but they were put into a bad and unconstitutional position by Missouri’s politicians.

- James Brown, Blue Springs

 

[EvilWayz]

 

[BamaFan1137]

Your basically a fanboy for malone navi nail & ron

You of course realize that I've argued with two of out of four of those people...openly on this board, right?

There...that should give you chance to post about your favorite useless subject

Yourself

Hell yea, I'm freaking awesome. If you don't believe that, just ask me.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

You of course realize that I've argued with two of out of four of those people...openly on this board, right?

Nobody really cares besides you... 😂

Hell yea, I'm freaking awesome. If you don't believe that, just ask me.

Yeah...so "awesome" you believe the first slave owner was a black man

Being incredibly gullible and believing white nationalist racist lies desn't make you "awesome"

It confirms that you're stupid 🤣

 

[BamaFan1137]

Yeah...so "awesome" you believe the first slave owner was a black man

Yea...where did I say that again?

You're confusing white people with other white people again Ray.

It's starting to make sense why you're so angry all the time. Confused people are often more susceptible to anger from time to time. If you'll apologize, I can promise you forgiveness because I'm awesome.

 

[NavigatorII]

Whereas you, as a lib, have a tendency to double-down after posting dumb crap? Sounds about right.

Look, we just eventually get the point that you can't be reached so we stop trying. You can claim that as a W if it makes you feel better...you eventually wore her down with your stubborn doltishness and your vapid nature. Congratulations I guess.

Maybe, like I do, she'll occasionally offer you some attention in hopes of getting through to you. But again, like me, she'll probably be wasting her valuable time.

As for me............. 😂

 

[NavigatorII]

😂 FYI, I'm back in town for a couple of weeks.

 

[NavigatorII]

😍

 

[NavigatorII]