Oh my goodness.. I would rather forget all that.
That was a while ago. I was so mad and embarased. I rememberd where some of the folks sat and wrote the athletics office.
Theres some bad apples on every tree.
Folks - I cant believe this, but sharing anyway...
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That was a while ago. I was so mad and embarased. I rememberd where some of the folks sat and wrote the athletics office.
Theres some bad apples on every tree.
They may be talking but why would Kiffin leave Ole Miss for a place like Miami, which has garbage facilities, along with lack of support for the football program. Even the UM President admitted he has almost no support or concern for Miami athletics, and what coach would want a president that's not on the same page as him as far as having the same vision for their football program?
Then there's Mario Cristobal. Let's see, Phil Knight and Nike money with badass facilities or Miami with Dwayne Johnson's one time million dollar donation from 12 years ago? The Rock is just a multi millionaire cheapskate.
Yep my guess is Kiffin would stay at Ole Miss another season before taking the Miami job.
Kiffin, I believe, is waiting on a bigger gig than Miami. Miami offers nothing to improve their facilities and everything else on campus. I'm sure he'd take a job at UF when the HC job becomes vacant.
Kiffin has some interest in the Miami job. He’s looking to get out of Ole Miss while the gettin is good. He won’t have Corral next season
You could be right as he doesn't seem to be doing good at recruiting like he does most years for the place he is at. Hoping its us instead of them if he is wanting to bolt right away.
Miami is a shit job, not better than Ole Miss.
Dude. He molded Blake Fckn Sims into one of the better passers in the league in 2014.
Sims was Bama's 3rd string RB in 2012. Lane doesn't need an elite QB to have a good offense.
I may just give up watching football for a season if Kiffin was to end up at Miami and was able to lure Richardson there while Mullen was still on our sidelines. The image of that with Richardson might be enough. That would be worse than even him luring Richardson to Ole Miss.
He doesn’t have Bama’s oline, Bama’s RBs or Bama’s WRs. That makes a huge difference. Ole Miss won’t do as good next year without Corral.
Richardson isn’t going anywhere. Stop with that narrative until if there’s is actually noise about it. From what I know and have been told he’s going nowhere regardless whether Mullen is here or not.
Do you think OM has Bama's OL, RBs or WRs this year? The point is Kiffin doesn't need a Matt Corral. He will figure out what the QBs strengths are, and design an offense that plays to his strengths, and hides his weaknesses.
Kiffin can do THAT better than any offensive coach in the nation. He's not that great when it comes to QB development, but when it comes to building a playbook just for his QB's talents, there's none better.
More like money orders in a ziplock bag - Claude Bassett was a dumb m’fer
After how that guy acted toward our program, it really is sickening to here people argue for Kiffin to be coach over Mullen.
I thought the beans were spilled by UT booster Roy Adams(known as TennStud on the msg board circuit) turning in his buddy (Alabama booster) Logan Young?
Also Gary Parrish, whom at that time was a beat writer for the Memphis local newspaper The Commercial Appeal(now a national college basketball columnists for CBS) was told by Means assistant coach Milton Kirk that the head coach Lynn Lang was gifted $200,000 for steering Means to Bama by Logan Young.
Both Adams and Young are now deceased Young was murdered but never proven although blood was everywhere in the house. Young's murder is still unsolved but many "on the streets" many rumors swirl. One rumor was it was Bama connected, somebody was mad he got Bama in trouble. Another rumor is some ties to the Clinton's(imagine that), and the weirdest rumor was since Young was outed by Adams, Young was releasing the dark closet secrets that Adams had a fetish for younger well endowed African American athletes.
Google all those characters.
Now as for Hal Mumme and UK. I'm not sure how involved they were in regards to Albert Means. What I remember best is Hal was making some type of arrangements with them Memphis Melrose High School coach Tim Thompson.
As stated Adams and Young are deceased. Gary Parrish moved up in the journalist world. Zero idea where Kirk and Lang are. Tim Thompson was let go by Melrose(where he won or competed in multiple state championships) and later was the head coach at a rural school Fayette Ware High School. FWHS was for the most part a bad football program with a handful of successful seasons. When Thompson was there he had them putting out a few college athletes(Wade Bonner at Ms State stands out) and going deep in the playoffs. I never knew what happened between him and that program. Currently he owns a skill development business where he trains athletes to become better football players. Also does track and field and weight lifting.
And yes as Ghost mentioned. Spurrier outed Mike Debose for buying Justin Smiley a pickup truck. Nothing much was done to Bama because Debose was fired.
I would hate to see Miami make a good hire. 300+ D1 kids each year come out of Dade County. They've made a series of bad hires, hoping it stays that way.
Kiffin is a jumper. He has a ticket right now thats hot as fire, and he cant risk all that staying at OM another year. What happens if his team gets beat up by everybody next year, and he doesnt have that hot shot kid at QB. That kid is unbelievable. If he was anywhere else -- say here or at LSU, neither of us would ahve the problems we got now.
That kid punched his ticket and hes gotta get outta Dodge fast.
Anyone interested should go back and read that initial article by Gary Parrish. It's a masterwork in propaganda. Never directly made any claims, but heavily implied that Bama cheated.
BTW Milton Kirk made a lot of claims. In the end, he couldn't back any of them up. My favorite came during the 2000 season. Up until that point, he had claimed that Bama, Georgia and I think UK were the only teams involved in the Means recruitment and offering cash to his coaches.
Well lo and behold, the week that Carnell Williams was to go to Knoxville on his official visit, Kirk suddenly 'remembered' that Auburn had offered cash too for Means. At the time, Auburn was the clear leader for Williams, and Tennessee wanted to get in the mix. Kirk told anyone who would listen that Auburn was a player, and like all his allegations, the aforementioned UCheat booster was there to amplify his claims.
The next week after Williams' visit to Knoxville was over, we stopped hearing about Auburn paying for Means, in fact we never heard another word about it.
What? LOL Smiley was part of the 2000 class, same as Means. So you're saying that the NCAA had proof that Bama bought Smiley a truck, but didn't do anything cause Dubose had been fired? While they had an OPEN INVESTIGATION going into recruiting violations at Alabama?
Ok. LOL
oh yeah- I was way anti-Pigtrino, but I had interesting conversations with my friends about him
I wasn't as familiar of the Smiley stuff other than Spurrier wrote the letter but on the Kirk thing...if what he said isn't true (Logan Young paid him for Means) what exactly did Bama get in trouble for? What did Logan Young get disassociated from the program for? Why did Milton Kirk give two shits about Cadallic Williams? He wasn't his coach. Why did Redneck Cottrell get fired and never coached another down as position coach again and went to selling diet pills and vitamins?
Seriously, one evening I was at a hotel in Jackson, TN and Cottrell was a speaker for some pyramid plan that involved selling some kind of vitamins or something. Talking about falling from grace. Not sure if he ever made it to the top of that pyramid or not. I can't remember that far back but didn't he finally get a job coaching high school football?
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It's too much to get into and you clearly aren't listening and want to believe Bama got what they deserved. So not gonna waste more time on this.
If you want to educate yourself on the people and players involved, here's some links:
NCAA Probe of UM More Flawed Than You Know
NCAA Probe of UM More Flawed Than You Know
Lawyer: Vols coach ratted on Crimson Tide
The latest installment of one of the SEC's most passionate football rivalries may be contested in a courtroom.
The coaches who spend years fighting the NCAA
Coaches question NCAA justice with lawsuits that can reveal unseemly side of rules enforcement
www.usatoday.com
I wonder if LSU would consider him.
Getting a little nervous about our situation. That Mullen may survive if he wins a game. I think that will just assure two subpar recruiting classes while Georgia continues their trend there.
Yep, pair Leach, Mullen, Kiffin, or Freeze with Muschamp or Pruitt and we'd be set. I don't care which of the four aforementioned offensive coaches was HC if we had either Muschamp or Pruitt as DC.
Pruitt is a great recruiter and I don't know why you're hung up on him at Bama.
he was the DB coach until he left for the FSU DC job in 2013 and won a national title. He came back as the Bama DC in 16 and 17.
Porkchop is really good, as much as I hate to say it.
Also, @sadgator youre really going to hold a grudge against someone because of what he said 13 years ago? Sheesh.
Kiffin has put the feelers out through his agent that he's interested in Miami, which as I said before when that news broke. Might be a perfect fit. He'd be the first coach to bring that Miami swag back and his recruiting would kick down the state of Miami.
But he's also hardcore going after Arch Manning, so I THINK he might be willing to hold out one more season to play that hand.
he's in a very interesting position. A lot of change is coming in the West in the next few years.
Kiffin has put the feelers out through his agent that he's interested in Miami, which as I said before when that news broke. Might be a perfect fit. He'd be the first coach to bring that Miami swag back and his recruiting would kick down the state of Miami.
But he's also hardcore going after Arch Manning, so I THINK he might be willing to hold out one more season to play that hand.
he's in a very interesting position. A lot of change is coming in the West in the next few years.
He really is. The only downside to getting him back as DC is you'll only have him for maybe 2 years.
I think of all his DCs, Saban was the most comfortable with Muschamp. I'd love to see him get Will back as well, but it's the same deal as Pruitt, we'd only have him a couple of seasons max.
well if the argument is that we can't get an elite DC with Mullen on the hot seat....well....yeah you can.
Here's a slightly different take on that: First, Kiffin's agent is Jimmy Sexton. Sexton loves pushing rumors to try to leverage for better deals for his clients.
Seems a few weeks ago the rumor was Kiffin to LSU. Then it was Riley to LSU. As soon as that rumor popped up, it seems the Kiffin to Miami rumors started.
I think Sexton is driving all this. I could see the interest in LSU a lot more than I could Miami.
That's bullshit. Throw a Brinks truck at an elite HC or DC and you can get one. An elite DC could care less if Mullen is on the 'hotseat' with fans.
I agree. This "hitching his futures to a sinking ship" thing is dumb.
If you perform, then you won't get the blame.
It's like people don't understand how job evaluation works.
For instance, I'll be curious to see what Grantham's next job will be.
maybe Linebackers coach for the Jags when Mullen goes there as OC/QB coach.
We will see how correct you are on that if Mullen survives. No top power 5 DC that is in demand is jumping ship to board Mullen's train wreck. I will give you full credit if one does,
You think that cause you just want to get rid of Mullen and you think hiring an elite DC is throwing good money after bad.
And you might be right. But no elite DC is going to lose that status if they come to Gainesville next year and the defense doesn't work. Mullen will get the blame (and the boot) and the DC will go get another good job. Hell so would Mullen, in all likelihood.
The DC would probably blow his chance for a nice HC job in the near term taking that risk. I predict we get a group of 5 one or a power 5 DC that isn't on people's list of the top DC's. Wouldn't even shock me if we get a power 5 one that isn't even a DC this season and is a position coach called co-DC or some mess like that.
Whoever it is, I hope us fans and our current and potential recruits find out sooner than later.
Crazy naive.
It's like you live in a world of absolutes that stand on shaky ground.
Well we might find out but Roper was who we got last time we were in this type of position. Off the top of my head I am trying to think of when the last time an in demand top power 5 coordinator left his school to go to one where the coach was on a hot seat entering that season.
Your problem is that you won't accept anything that doesn't fit exactly what you want.
you don't want Pruitt but he's a great DC and DB coach, great recruiter, and currently living in exile as a defensive senior assistant with the Giants.
he wouldn't be an option?
and this narrative that you can't get a good assistant if the coach is on the hot seat is silly.
Muschamp had Weiss forced on him as an old offensive genius and a guy with head coach experience that could help him. Then he hired guys that were assistants under Petersen and Cutcliffe, but both of those were guys that weren't the key behind the offenses.
that has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
I never said anything about Pruitt. As far as him and Muschamp I guess my position would be they are better than getting a Roper level coordinator.
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