Folks - I cant believe this, but sharing anyway...

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I don't know who "you guys" are as mentioning Saban is retiring in a few years. I never put a timeline. I just know every coach retires. You are the one who told Gwinneth that Dabo will take over for Saban.

Not too many SEC schools currently hire DCs to HCs. UGA lucked up with it. UT did not. Phil Fulmer dumbass passed on Venerables for Potato Head Pruitt? Damn

I don't remember talking to that troll in years, but maybe your memory is just better than mine. I do remember saying here multiple times that I think Dabo will take over for Saban, and I still think that's the case.

What makes you think Venerables could do any better than Pruitt? And I always thought Pruitt was a bad hire, simply from having to deal with a meddling AD if nothing else.

BTW Pruitt would be a great hire for you as DC. In fact I'd love it if Saban could get him back, the Golding experiment clearly isn't working.

 

[GwinnettDawg]

I don't know who "you guys" are as mentioning Saban is retiring in a few years. I never put a timeline. I just know every coach retires. You are the one who told Gwinneth that Dabo will take over for Saban.

Not too many SEC schools currently hire DCs to HCs. UGA lucked up with it. UT did not. Phil Fulmer dumbass passed on Venerables for Potato Head Pruitt? Damn

Pruitt is another one the bammer said was a great hire. Wrong again. But he is correct in saying he hasn;t directly addressed me in a while. After the meltdown he had when he used to post with a group of guys I still post with, including several Bama guys, he seems to have had a nervous breakdown. He actually spent several weeks or months posting to himself after we all left and didn't tell him where we were going. Some of those guys post here and could validate this if they care to.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Bullshit. Ghost is a crazy, MF, but he knows his football. Ghost never commented on Mac. He appreciates Mullen.

I don't remember talking to that troll in years, but maybe your memory is just better than mine. I do remember saying here multiple times that I think Dabo will take over for Saban, and I still think that's the case.

What makes you think Venerables could do any better than Pruitt? And I always thought Pruitt was a bad hire, simply from having to deal with a meddling AD if nothing else.

BTW Pruitt would be a great hire for you as DC. In fact I'd love it if Saban could get him back, the Golding experiment clearly isn't working.

Nothing indicates Pruitt is a better hire than BV other than Pruitt failed miserably trying to be a HC. Also the fact multiple DCs have won as DCs at Bama so just being a DC at Bama doesn't equal automatic success when becoming a HC. Clemson hasn't had success with multiple DCs. Only one. Sure that doesn't mean he will have success as a HC but NOTHING indicated Pruitt would be a successful HC. Fulmer just popped a Woody thinking he "stole one" from Bama not looking at the fact that multiple assistant coaches have left Bama over the years but Bama kept winning.

I also think it's funny Fulmer had the previous AD fired for the near hire of Leach. Thought Leach couldn't win in the SEC. Sure Leach isn't an SEC great but he is more successful than Potato.

 

[PacoGator19]

Nothing indicates Pruitt is a better hire than BV other than Pruitt failed miserably trying to be a HC. Also the fact multiple DCs have won as DCs at Bama so just being a DC at Bama doesn't equal automatic success when becoming a HC. Clemson hasn't had success with multiple DCs. Only one. Sure that doesn't mean he will have success as a HC but NOTHING indicated Pruitt would be a successful HC. Fulmer just popped a Woody thinking he "stole one" from Bama not looking at the fact that multiple assistant coaches have left Bama over the years but Bama kept winning.

I also think it's funny Fulmer had the previous AD fired for the near hire of Leach. Thought Leach couldn't win in the SEC. Sure Leach isn't an SEC great but he is more successful than Potato.

I was always of the belief that Fulmer hired Potato Head so that he could control him, etc. I think deep down Fulmer wanted his old job back.

 

[LizardGrad89]

I was always of the belief that Fulmer hired Potato Head so that he could control him, etc. I think deep down Fulmer wanted his old job back.

99% of Phil is deep down.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Nothing indicates Pruitt is a better hire than BV other than Pruitt failed miserably trying to be a HC.

Given the choice, I'd take Pruitt as my DC all day every day over BV. Our defenses have never been better than when he was our DC.

Wouldn't want either coaching my team.

I also think it's funny Fulmer had the previous AD fired for the near hire of Leach. Thought Leach couldn't win in the SEC. Sure Leach isn't an SEC great but he is more successful than Potato.

Of course he is. Leach can coach offense. I keep seeing you guys batting around Kiffin and Freeze, why not Leach?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I was always of the belief that Fulmer hired Potato Head so that he could control him, etc. I think deep down Fulmer wanted his old job back.

Bingo. Pruitt isn't HCing material, and never will be.

Muschamp is a slightly better version of Pruitt as far as being a HC. Both are elite DCs, and it's shame they both can't put aside their egos and just be happy being elite DCs and winning a lot of NC rings.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Given the choice, I'd take Pruitt as my DC all day every day over BV. Our defenses have never been better than when he was our DC.

Wouldn't want either coaching my team.


Of course he is. Leach can coach offense. I keep seeing you guys batting around Kiffin and Freeze, why not Leach?

Kiffin and Freeze have just as good or as close to the same good offensive mind if not better than Leach.

Although offense is their speciality, Kiffin and Freeze at least try to have good defenses. Try to hire good DCs and recruit defense talent. Leach doesn't know squat or addresses anything on defense.

Also Leach's offense can be boring with dink and dunks and rarely a running game.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Given the choice, I'd take Pruitt as my DC all day every day over BV. Our defenses have never been better than when he was our DC.

Wouldn't want either coaching my team.


Of course he is. Leach can coach offense. I keep seeing you guys batting around Kiffin and Freeze, why not Leach?

So because your defense was good when Pruitt stumbled upon the talent means you would hire him over BV? None of us have ever seen how good of a DC BV could be at Bama.

We've seen that the best defenses at Clemson have been under Venerables. I don't think Pruitt could have done as well at Clemson as Brett has done.

I honestly wouldn't want BV to be our HC with no HC experience. I definitely know without any doubt I would not want JP as HC.

I want a coach to have some HC experience somewhere before coming here.

Honestly some that had HC experience have failed (Mac)(jury still out on Mullen) but others have passed (Spurrier/Meyer). One thing we do know is those with no HC experience have failed here (Zook/Muschamp)


Back to the Brett Venerables conservation. Back when Clemson was an up and comer, many on this board said any success Dabo had up to that point was due to Chad Morris. That was later proven wrong as a horrible myth. More credit goes to BV now that it's hindsight.


I don't know, something tells me BV is the HCIW unofficially if Dabo ever decides to hang it up for whatever reason.

 

[Gator Fever]

Given the choice, I'd take Pruitt as my DC all day every day over BV. Our defenses have never been better than when he was our DC.

Wouldn't want either coaching my team.


Of course he is. Leach can coach offense. I keep seeing you guys batting around Kiffin and Freeze, why not Leach?

I would take Kiffin as I think at a place like UF he would leave a good roster even if he did implode. He has probably matured a lot since USC fired him also. Not sure our administration would sign off on him however.

 

[PacoGator19]

I think Leach is a pretty good coach but I’m actually not a fan of his offense. As it has already been stated I think it is too 1 dimensional. The passing game is dink and dunk and no running game. I don’t believe that is a recipe for long term success in the SEC.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So because your defense was good when Pruitt stumbled upon the talent means you would hire him over BV?

Said another way "So just because Bama's defense was #1 in the nation when Pruitt ran it, you would hire him as your DC over BV?"

Ummm...yeah LOL Pruitt has had multiple stints at Alabama, first as DB coach from 2010-2012, then as DC in 2016 and 2017.

Kirby was DC from 2008-2015. Kirby's best defenses were 2010-2012. Same years Pruitt was DB coach. Our DB literally carried the defense in 2012.

Then compare Bama's defensive stats from 2016-2017 when Pruitt was DC to what Kirby did the 2 years prior with the same talent.

The numbers don't lie. I'd take Pruitt all day every day over both BV or Kirby as DC.

Back to the Brett Venerables conservation. Back when Clemson was an up and comer, many on this board said any success Dabo had up to that point was due to Chad Morris. That was later proven wrong as a horrible myth. More credit goes to BV now that it's hindsight.

That's like saying you give Stoops credit for Florida winning the NC in 1996. And maybe you do. Whenever you have a head coach who is either offensive or defensive minded, you need a stud coordinator on the other side of the ball to be elite. This is college football 101.

Dabo is an offensive guy. He doesn't know defense. So pair him with a stud DC like BV, and it's off to the races.

Same logic applies with Mullen.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Kiffin and Freeze have just as good or as close to the same good offensive mind if not better than Leach.

Yeah but both Kiffin and Freeze have baggage. Leach's baggage seems to be that he's a bit kooky about pirates.

I mean, you guys keep saying you want a CEO type, who is closer to that description: Kiffin, Freeze or Leach?

If I was hiring an OC, I'd get Kiffin or Freeze. If I wanted a HC, I'd pick Leach.

 

[ocalaman]

Yeah but both Kiffin and Freeze have baggage. Leach's baggage seems to be that he's a bit kooky about pirates.

I mean, you guys keep saying you want a CEO type, who is closer to that description: Kiffin, Freeze or Leach?

If I was hiring an OC, I'd get Kiffin or Freeze. If I wanted a HC, I'd pick Leach.

Personally, I'm "None of the Above" on these 3 men. All are solid coaches, but don't think any of them can bring a championship to Gainesville. Of course, I've been wrong before, as I thought Mullen was the guy.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Personally, I'm "None of the Above" on these 3 men. All are solid coaches, but don't think any of them can bring a championship to Gainesville. Of course, I've been wrong before, as I thought Mullen was the guy.

Yeah honestly, Florida can do better than any of those 3. Those are the type of names fans throw around when they reach "Dammit, I don't care who we get, I just want to WIN!' stage.

I don't see many Georgia or Tennessee fans looking at those three names and getting worried.

 

[GwinnettDawg]

Nothing indicates Pruitt is a better hire than BV other than Pruitt failed miserably trying to be a HC. Also the fact multiple DCs have won as DCs at Bama so just being a DC at Bama doesn't equal automatic success when becoming a HC. Clemson hasn't had success with multiple DCs. Only one. Sure that doesn't mean he will have success as a HC but NOTHING indicated Pruitt would be a successful HC. Fulmer just popped a Woody thinking he "stole one" from Bama not looking at the fact that multiple assistant coaches have left Bama over the years but Bama kept winning.

I also think it's funny Fulmer had the previous AD fired for the near hire of Leach. Thought Leach couldn't win in the SEC. Sure Leach isn't an SEC great but he is more successful than Potato.

Pruitt is a well documented train wreck as a human. He should never be in charge of a program.

 

[gatordad3]

Pruitt is a well documented train wreck as a human. He should never be in charge of a program.

Going all the way back to his days as a high school coach. Of course, he was under the tutelage of Rush Probst.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Yeah but both Kiffin and Freeze have baggage. Leach's baggage seems to be that he's a bit kooky about pirates.

I mean, you guys keep saying you want a CEO type, who is closer to that description: Kiffin, Freeze or Leach?

If I was hiring an OC, I'd get Kiffin or Freeze. If I wanted a HC, I'd pick Leach.

Freeze is the CEO type.

Kiffin is the spokesman

Leach? Neither maybe the dry comedian. Nothing about Leach screams "CEO"

Baggage? Freeze loves Jesus...and Escorts. Sounds like my kind of guy.

Leach locks Craig James son in a closet and likes nooses.

I'd take the bible reader that likes sex industry workers over the closet punisher.


Kiffs baggage WAS immaturity.

Haven't all 3 have some recruiting black marks?

All the rest are rumors. Leach is rumored to be a drunk

 

[sadgator]

If a team could somehow pair Freeze with the monkey-stripper Special Teams coach from Texas…sadgator would totally root for that team…

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Freeze is the CEO type.

Kiffin is the spokesman

Leach? Neither maybe the dry comedian. Nothing about Leach screams "CEO"

Baggage? Freeze loves Jesus...and Escorts. Sounds like my kind of guy.

Leach locks Craig James son in a closet and likes nooses.

I'd take the bible reader that likes sex industry workers over the closet punisher.


Kiffs baggage WAS immaturity.

Haven't all 3 have some recruiting black marks?

All the rest are rumors. Leach is rumored to be a drunk

Freeze....we ARE talking about Hugh Freeze, right? Y'all remember what he did at Ole Miss, right?

Has he gotten a HCing job since? Might be a reason why.

So you think Kiffin has grown up now? Since you say his baggage WAS immaturity. To be fair, he should at some point, grow up. He's a 40-something year old man who still thinks he's a 21 year old frat boy chasing tail on sorority row.

I think the point you are really making is that none of these guys are great picks as HC. That I would agree with. These are the guys you are forced to consider after the 2-3 guys you REALLY wanted all say no.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Going all the way back to his days as a high school coach. Of course, he was under the tutelage of Rush Probst.

There's another winner.

 

[ocalaman]

Freeze....we ARE talking about Hugh Freeze, right? Y'all remember what he did at Ole Miss, right?

Has he gotten a HCing job since? Might be a reason why.

So you think Kiffin has grown up now? Since you say his baggage WAS immaturity. To be fair, he should at some point, grow up. He's a 40-something year old man who still thinks he's a 21 year old frat boy chasing tail on sorority row.

I think the point you are really making is that none of these guys are great picks as HC. That I would agree with. These are the guys you are forced to consider after the 2-3 guys you REALLY wanted all say no.

Freeze is doing a great job at Liberty University.

 

[gatordad3]

Freeze....we ARE talking about Hugh Freeze, right? Y'all remember what he did at Ole Miss, right?

Has he gotten a HCing job since? Might be a reason why.

So you think Kiffin has grown up now? Since you say his baggage WAS immaturity. To be fair, he should at some point, grow up. He's a 40-something year old man who still thinks he's a 21 year old frat boy chasing tail on sorority row.

I think the point you are really making is that none of these guys are great picks as HC. That I would agree with. These are the guys you are forced to consider after the 2-3 guys you REALLY wanted all say no.

Yes we do remember what he did at Ole Miss. None of that, well, most of what he did no longer matters as the NCAA made most of it legal. He is currently at Liberty as a HC and personally, Freeze is my top choice.

As for Kiffin, if he winds up at UF, I sure hope I'm wrong about him.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

The problem when you hire a former Bama assistant is that they often get caught. I believe Pruitt was their top recruiter.

Fulmer wanted a defense guy and a recruiter. Pruitt couldn't even cheat at TN, his defenses sucked and recruiting went down even while cheating.

Off the top of my head I remember Danny Ford and Jackie Sherrill. Stallings got out the door before the hammer went down.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Yes we do remember what he did at Ole Miss. None of that, well, most of what he did no longer matters as the NCAA made most of it legal. He is currently at Liberty as a HC and personally, Freeze is my top choice.

As for Kiffin, if he winds up at UF, I sure hope I'm wrong about him.

I mean just hire Fulmer if being a former cheat is ok now LOL

As I said, I think Florida can do better than both. And no way would I fire Mullen for either. If Florida loses the next 2 games, I may change my mind.

I will say this about Kiffin: If he ever grows up and gets dialed in on his career as a head football coach, he has a LOT of potential. I think at some point it will click for him, and he will do pretty well.

 

[Gator Fever]

I mean just hire Fulmer if being a former cheat is ok now LOL

As I said, I think Florida can do better than both. And no way would I fire Mullen for either. If Florida loses the next 2 games, I may change my mind.

I will say this about Kiffin: If he ever grows up and gets dialed in on his career as a head football coach, he has a LOT of potential. I think at some point it will click for him, and he will do pretty well.

I think Kiffin's potential at Ole Miss is about what they are doing this season with Corral. I don't think he would ever have the talent there to win the SEC being in the West. I could even see them taking a big step back next season if he doesn't find another QB.

 

[gatordad3]

I mean just hire Fulmer if being a former cheat is ok now LOL

As I said, I think Florida can do better than both. And no way would I fire Mullen for either. If Florida loses the next 2 games, I may change my mind.

I will say this about Kiffin: If he ever grows up and gets dialed in on his career as a head football coach, he has a LOT of potential. I think at some point it will click for him, and he will do pretty well.

I didn't know Fulmer was a cheater. Now I do know he's a low life back stabber who screwed Johnny Majors and the AD before him, but I didn't know he got busted for recruiting violations. I also know he had thin skin when it involved Spurrier.
As for Freeze, he served his punishment and is deserving of a second chance at coaching a P5 school again.

 

[GwinnettDawg]

I didn't know Fulmer was a cheater. Now I do know he's a low life back stabber who screwed Johnny Majors and the AD before him, but I didn't know he got busted for recruiting violations. I also know he had thin skin when it involved Spurrier.
As for Freeze, he served his punishment and is deserving of a second chance at coaching a P5 school again.

Bammers are still mad about Albert Means. Fulmer turned them in.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Bammers are still mad about Albert Means. Fulmer turned them in.

See if that were UF, we would have been outraged that we were blatantly cheating and would have fired everybody. At Bama, they are only mad somebody outed them.

Oh, plus we would have gotten the death penalty. Twice. Hell, we would have been killed like Rasputin. Bama got a stern warning not to get caught again.

 

[gatordad3]

Bammers are still mad about Albert Means. Fulmer turned them in.

Dayummm! I forgot about Albert Means.

 

[Nicktheslick]

Bammers are still mad about Albert Means. Fulmer turned them in.

And then he wouldn’t come to Hoover for SEC media days.

 

[LizardGrad89]

And then he wouldn’t come to Hoover for SEC media days.

NCAA investigators got death threats from Bammer fans. Yes, it was later than when this all happened, but Phat Phil knew his Bammers. He was not unwise to stay a safe distance away.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I think Kiffin's potential at Ole Miss is about what they are doing this season with Corral. I don't think he would ever have the talent there to win the SEC being in the West. I could even see them taking a big step back next season if he doesn't find another QB.

Maybe. It's honestly too early to tell. But offensive players absolutely love playing for him, really all his players do, he acts just like one of them anyway so he definitely relates.

He could easily finish the year in the Top 10. Not bad for Oxford.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I didn't know Fulmer was a cheater. Now I do know he's a low life back stabber who screwed Johnny Majors and the AD before him, but I didn't know he got busted for recruiting violations. I also know he had thin skin when it involved Spurrier.
As for Freeze, he served his punishment and is deserving of a second chance at coaching a P5 school again.

You guys really don't know about fulmer and Bammer? Finebaum claims he's writing a book as soon as he retires telling all.

So the story is in 2 phases. The first is former NCAA investigator Rich Johaninmeirwhatever. When Bama was under NCAA investigation over Antonio Langham signing a 'contract' on a napkin while drunk partying the night Bama beat Miami for the NC, at one point Richie J came to Tuscaloosa to interview Stallings.

Halfway through the interview, Bebes, bless his heart, got his irish up and literally grabbed Richie by the shirt and actually threw him out of his office.

Shockingly, Bama got hammered as a result.

That was in 1995. In 1998, Bama had a secondary violation in basketball. It was really ticky-tack. So officially, the Repeat Violator window had ended for Bama from the 1995 probation.

As for UCheat, looooooooooong story short is that Richie J still had a hardon for Bama after Bebes unceremoniously threw him out of his office. So he in essence when to fulmer and told him he had the goods on fulmer, but would give him a Get Out of Jail Free card, in exchange for testifying against Bama.

If you're wanting a parallel, this would be like the NCAA going to Jimmy Johnson in 1983 and telling him that they know Miami is cheating, but will forgive him, if he agrees to testify against in-state rival Florida, and help the NCAA bury them instead.

So Richie J started making a case against Bama in the Albert Means recruitment. He focused on Bama booster Logan Young, but the problem was, he had zero evidence that Young did anything. No paper trial, no physical evidence, na da.

So he got testimony from multiple 'secret witnesses'. These 'secret witnesses' all said that Bama bought Means, so Richie used that as the 'evidence' against Bama.

Then, he went back to the 1995 probation. That was a pretty big deal, but the Repeat Violator window had expired, and it was done with. So Richie went back to that ticky-tack secondary violation Bama had in basketball in 1998 and claimed it had extended Bama's Repeat Violator window, and used that to include the Albert Means recruitment. Which meant Richie could justify bigger charges against Bama.

So Bama got hammered again in 2002. Bama wasn't able to question the NCAA's 'secret witnesses'. They just took their word as fact.

Well lo and behold, after the punishment was handed down, we found out who the 'secret witnesses' were: fulmer and his staff.

Did Young really cheat? I'm sure he did, just like I'm sure the UCheat boosters he competed against in Memphis did as well.

The punchline was, that effectively killed fulmer's career, he never recovered. And Richie J was later fired for trying to pull a sting on Miami in an NCAA investigation much like he did Bama.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

UK was also a player In the Albert Means sweepstakes. We also joined Bama in getting put on probation over his recruitment.

Hal Mumme. So was Georgia. Donnan got busted for giving Means $700 if I recall correctly.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

NCAA investigators got death threats from Bammer fans. Yes, it was later than when this all happened, but Phat Phil knew his Bammers. He was not unwise to stay a safe distance away.

Actually, Ronnie Cottrell's lawyer Tommy Gallion said the second fulmer got off the plane in Birmingham for Media Days, he was gonna hit him with a subpoena. So fulmer stayed in Knoxville LOL

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

In our case we had an assistant coach stupid enough play the dual role of bagman. Kinda like UT’s recent cash for recruits, but I think he used a plain bag instead of a McDonald’s bag

The funniest thing to me about the Bama investigation is around this same time, Spurrier accused Bama of buying Justin Smiley. The NCAA looked at that and immediately said Bama did nothing LOL

 

[NYCapple]

Welp - my friend said after I asked "This situation is a mess andthere are some programs worse off that us that have to get somebody now (versus us kickin the can down the road a bit), and it sounds like Miami and Kiffin talks are pretty deep right now. He thinks itll be a great fit, and he can kill it there without the SEC heat"

 

[NYCapple]

It sounds like folks in his circle are ok with Mullen getting another year or 2 with some new coaches

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Welp - my friend said after I asked "This situation is a mess andthere are some programs worse off that us that have to get somebody now (versus us kickin the can down the road a bit), and it sounds like Miami and Kiffin talks are pretty deep right now. He thinks itll be a great fit, and he can kill it there without the SEC heat"

I thought you gave up on the program a couple of years ago when you and your church group went to a game and heard a dirty wordie in the stands?