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That's my read on both of them as well. Dilly was sound and related well but very avg on GameDay and x's and o's. Norvell is a good recruiter but he can only do so much by himself, I've yet to hear a defensive player commit and say it was because of our DC. We signed no WRs and our receivers suck lol Dugans is horrible
That's my read on both of them as well. Dilly was young and related well but very avg on GameDay and x's and o's. Norvell is a good recruiter but he can only do so much by himself, I've yet to hear a defensive player commit and say it was because of our DC. We signed no WRs and our receivers suck lol Dugans is horrible.
Yes you have a few good recruiters on staff and yes Dugan is terrible.
Florida football cracks ESPN Top 75 in recruiting after strong early signing period
Florida may have started the early signing period with an unranked recruiting class, but some big wins on Wednesday changed that quickly.
sports.yahoo.com
I agree that you can't depend on the portal to make up for bad overall recruiting.
But what's stopping those recruits from hitting the portal later?
You could have a #1 class and then one day Elon Musk gets drunk, finds some extra change in his couch cushions, and decides that he wants to build Austin Peay into the next Bama.
I admit I don't know exactly how the NIL stuff works, so I'm sure the reality wouldn't be so simple. But money always finds a way.
Florida football cracks ESPN Top 75 in recruiting after strong early signing period
Florida may have started the early signing period with an unranked recruiting class, but some big wins on Wednesday changed that quickly.
That headline feels a little shady. I wonder if the author chuckled or guffawed as he clicked the Publish button?
I keep it simply - the teams that are winning Nattys? how are they building their team? Crutin...yeah AL has a starting LB from the portal but that's about it.
Napier has got to start keeping more of the top in-state players from going elsewhere. I think he will, but all the big boys recruit Florida heavily, so he's got his work cut out for him. Here is an article about the status of the Top 10 high school players from the State of Florida. We got 1, FSU got 1, Georgia got 4. 1 player is still unsigned.
Agreed - if he's that good of a recruiter he should be able to get the ones he wants. FL has a pile of talent but a good recruiter at the state flagship should get it done.Napier has got to start keeping more of the top in-state players from going elsewhere. I think he will, but all the big boys recruit Florida heavily, so he's got his work cut out for him. Here is an article about the status of the Top 10 high school players from the State of Florida. We got 1, FSU got 1, Georgia got 4. 1 player is still unsigned.
Btw on the previous posts - I've heard he'd going heavy on the portal this year...so all the "build via recruiting" won't probably be reality till next year.
Top 5 recruiting class or bust for 2023. At that point I think we'll know if he can handle that side of it. What he's done so far is impressive but a super small sample.
A top 5 class next year would be a big ask but if it did happen, it would be a big deal.
Yes and no - yes of course it's a big ask. If you want him to be a coach here at UF that wins a Natty, then it's kind of the expectation. He's either that good of a recruiter or he isn't - we'll see.
Right now I'm hoping he wins a Natty so I'll expect Top 5 classes and most of the best recruiters can do that on the bump class.
Im just saying that in one year it's a big ask. You start building these relationships with recruits years before they sign.
So far though, he seems to be doing very well.
You cannot demand top 5. Thats not realistic in the new CFB climate.
So much has changed.
Kirby is the only major program in GA
Saban. Period.
Day is gonna clean up the midwest
Lincoln will own the west coast with the USC name
TAMU and Texas have NIL money that never ends
Mario (who may get Muschamp as his DC) will make SoFla a difficult pull
Top 5 is asking a lot. We need to aim for 5-10 and hope Billy’s attention to detail helps him hit on a higher %. But we can’t set ourselves up to be upset with a 7-10 class
He needs to get top 5 at some point soon but it may be too much to ask in his bump class. I do think he needs to get at least a top 7-8 class though and then climb from there.
I don’t argue top 5 at some point. But 2023, he may need a year in the 7-10 range and 10+ wins in his second year to build the confidence needed to hit top 5. So it may be year 3 before we can demand top 5. Not saying he can’t do it, just saying thats a tough demand for a school who hasn’t dominated since Urb
Yeah not sure - here's the thing: sales people sale. If he's got the talent and means to get a Top 5 class eventually, he should be able to do it right away.
If I take the top sales person in my company and move them to a new division. In 1 year, you know what? They are #1 again...or very close. That's the point I'm making - getting into the Top 5 isn't a 3-4 year process. Maybe it's a big ask but on the other hand, we aren't going to find out 5 years from now he's "really" a Top 5 recruiter. IT'll happen sooner than later...guess that's the main point.
Also - I give wiggle room. He could get Top 5 by bringing in 32 kids...or essentially be Top 5 by finishing Top 7 and bringing in transfers etc. I'll give context to how he gets there but I do think that's the expectation from the Bump class forward.
If I take the top sales person in my company and move them to a new division. In 1 year, you know what? They are #1 again...or very close. That's the point I'm making - getting into the Top 5 isn't a 3-4 year process. Maybe it's a big ask but on the other hand, we aren't going to find out 5 years from now he's "really" a Top 5 recruiter. IT'll happen sooner than later...guess that's the main point.
Also - I give wiggle room. He could get Top 5 by bringing in 32 kids...or essentially be Top 5 by finishing Top 7 and bringing in transfers etc. I'll give context to how he gets there but I do think that's the expectation from the Bump class forward.
Agreed the competition is going to be stiff even more so in recruiting. You already have Bama, UGA, Ohio State, A&M & Clemson recruiting at very high levels and next year you will have USC, LSU, UF & Miami all with the ability to recruit well and “bump” classes. Going to be interesting for sure. But yes to win Natty’s and at this point SECs your likely going to have to get into that top 5 here and there.
I agree, if you can recruit, you can recruit.
Just saying this is a very, very competitive climate to pull a top 5 in.
I am not sure we see classes with 32 high schoolers much anymore. I think people underestimate the increasing factor the portal is going to be forward
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Agree on both the last 2 posts completely. This is one of the reasons I wanted Napier...I think he has the highest upside for recruiting and sees it as a whole-of-program issue. It's a priority - it doesn't mean he'll make it but just that it's the first step. I didn't see guys like Kiffin or such as being that dedicated to the issue.
We aren't LSU has has a huge infrasture in place (or an entire state locked down) for recruiting so I thought it was more importanat to get the potenial upside even if it was from a smaller program.
Agree on both the last 2 posts completely. This is one of the reasons I wanted Napier...I think he has the highest upside for recruiting and sees it as a whole-of-program issue. It's a priority - it doesn't mean he'll make it but just that it's the first step. I didn't see guys like Kiffin or such as being that dedicated to the issue.
We aren't LSU has has a huge infrasture in place (or an entire state locked down) for recruiting so I thought it was more importanat to get the potenial upside even if it was from a smaller program.
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That is the HUGE upside to Napier. Even if he weren’t to make it, the structure of the program and the talent for the next coach would be so much better than at any point in the past
With the NIL setup, Alums can now pay players openly. There is no more need for $100 handshakes, or paying players for a 20 hour work week when they actually only showed up for 1/2 of an 8 hr shift. Great recruiters will know how to manipulate the NIL system to pay for who they want.
Billy + Assist Coaches + 20+ staffers should be able to get it done easily beginning with the Feb NSD.
Give any average recruiter a cost accountant and they're off....
It doesn't take years to sign the NIL checks.... (JMOHO's of course)
Billy + Assist Coaches + 20+ staffers should be able to get it done easily beginning with the Feb NSD.
Give any average recruiter a cost accountant and they're off....
It doesn't take years to sign the NIL checks.... (JMOHO's of course)
GBO,
Doubt that this is possible, but I would be interested in comparing Bama, LSU, UGA, & ATM as to the number of off the field / support positions in their programs, their costs, the job titles, & what they actually do.
How many different job titles are there for the person in charge of filling the McDonalds' Bags ?
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