You couldn't get away with Chip Kelly's recruiting in the high teens he had at Oregon and win SEC Championships hardly. If you did win one it would be rarely. Auburn in 2010 is about the only recent team to go through a tough SEC schedule and win the SEC without really top classes the previous years and Cam probably won about 4 of those games for them they don't win otherwise.
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You couldn't get away with Chip Kelly's recruiting in the high teens he had at Oregon and win SEC Championships hardly. If you did win one it would be rarely. Auburn in 2010 is about the only recent team to go through a tough SEC schedule and win the SEC without really top classes the previous years and Cam probably won about 4 of those games for them they don't win otherwise.
Stars can be very overrated for linemen. Matter of fact the largest gap between ratings and performance are at those positions. There’s just no way to really project how a kid who is nearly 300 lbs. will develop and what they’ll do going against other kids their size when they dominate kids who weigh like 190 in HS. Same with QB. Saw the stat where a QB ranked in the top 2 of his class has transferred from his original school each of the last 10 years. The NFL spends crazy amounts of resources trying to pick the right QB and still get it wrong the majority of the time.
The ratings tend to be more accurate for skill guys though. That’s where you need to be loading up with 4-5 star kids because they’re ranked that highly because they have all the measurables.
The ratings tend to be more accurate for skill guys though. That’s where you need to be loading up with 4-5 star kids because they’re ranked that highly because they have all the measurables.
I think if Mullen recruits solid everywhere, like top-10 range, but gets who he wants at qb, we will win our share of SECE titles. They don't even have to be the No. 1 guys, just guys that can make plays in his offense. There's only so many Cam Newtons, but Mariotta wasn't a top recruit and neither was Dennis Dixon before him. Nick Marshall, etc... You get the right guy to pull the trigger and these offenses go.
Yep at O line especially. They used to joke the difference between a high 3 star and a 5 star many times was the 5 star kid could dunk a basketball easily at 300 lb.
I will say Bama shows you can also have really good lines consistently just getting mostly the top rated O linemen. They have had a few true freshman that could hold their own with high round NFL bound D linemen.
I hope you are right but I doubt it but having FSU and Miami looking like they will be crap for some years now will give us a chance to take FL back some and get the top 5-7 range classes we need to win our share.
Not sure about Auburn under Malzahn but you notice that offense doesn't seem so great since they started allowing the defense to substitute also during that fast play - that rule started the year after they played FSU for the championship.
Good point on the sub rule change and Auburn. Although when I watch Auburn it looks to me like they move it when they want to, but Malzahn can't get out of his own way. He makes so many drive-killing crazy play calls, it drives me nuts watching them and I don't even like Auburn. They'll be running off tackle for six yards a pop and then run a double reverse that loses seven yards.
That actually goes to my point with Mullen though. On game day, I think I'd take him over everyone in the SEC except Saban.
The problem with Malzahn is he went after and has started a QB the last several years that doesn’t fit his offense at all.
Yep. What I like is that we’re throwing numbers at the position. Last year we signed 4 OL, this year we signed 7 and are still looking to sign more. And we’re chasing more for 2020 too. And we have a nice mix of players who should get on the field ASAP and projects. Our numbers alone guarantee we’ll put together a solid 5.
17 of Dan's ESD commits, 20 LOI's, are 4 stars at ESPN and/or Rivals (85%)
Personally, I'd much rather see you starve...
A consensus 3-star recruit, FS/WR Trent Whittemore 6-3 187 probably is going to be one of the more overlooked prospects in the Florida recruiting class. But his new head coach certainly is high on him. “He’s an amazing athlete,” UF coach Dan Mullen said Wednesday.“ Football, basketball. When he gets to concentrate on one sport. I don’t think he’s ever lifted a weight in his life. When he gets on that (Savage) training program, he’s physically going to be a different guy. “He’s got great size, great athleticism. He played all over the field in football. He’s a phenomenal basketball player.” But is he smart? -- Yale offered him...
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Mullen asked what Ath/WR Weston’s ranking (***) is among the recruiting services. When he was told it wasn’t very high, he said, “Not very high? OK, good, we’ll see.” The Clewiston receiver is 6-3 212 with excellent speed and hands. But he did not attend any of the big football camps, so the recruiting analysts don’t know much about him. (Bingo)
“He’s a tremendous young man,” Mullen said. “He has great potential, great athleticism, great size. But most important, amazing character and work ethic for a young man. Academically, takes care of his business. How he’s respected in the town of Clewiston, it’s pretty special. He’s got a first-class brand. I’m really happy to have him part of the family. He’s got potential to have a pretty special career here at Florida.”
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OLB Jesiah Pierre 6-2 217 *** has already graduated from Mt. Dora Christian Academy and will enroll early at UF. “I knew Florida was the school I wanted to go to after I took my official visit there,” said Pierre. “I loved the family atmosphere on the team and the hunger for greatness within the football program. I left there just wanting to be a Gator.”
Pierre said he believes playing at MDCA instead of one of the larger schools in the area helped him become a better player, and a better person. “I think you always feel like you have more to prove when you come from a small school and a small town,” said Pierre. “Playing here humbled me and made me want to work harder to achieve my goals. At the same time, I hope it also proves that it doesn’t matter what school you attend or what city you live in, if you work hard enough, coaches will find you.”
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QB J.Jones 6-3 204 4.45/40 -- Mullen said, “He’s a very athletic, got great size, he’s a guy that is always worked very hard at the discipline part of it, being a QB. What I mean by the technique and fundamentals and always improving himself — he’s one of those guys that’s kind of fun. He works hard to play the position, technically at a high level but he has the athleticism and skill to improvise and make plays on his own.” Following his commitment to Florida, Jones was on campus several times in the summer and fall for unofficial visits where he took it upon himself to recruit others to join him in Gainesville.
So, if recruiting services (rivals) want to rank those types of student/athlete/citizens as 3 stars, that's okay with me. I'm going with Dan's eval & choices every time...
Note: All 4 of the above 3 star rivals recruits were rated 4 Stars by ESPN's football professionals, instead of having to pay the camp salesmen for their stars.
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/agreed
I generally shy away when internet folks suggest "well this 3 star guy is different" however on the above players there's many sources that are high on those individuals. This is a case where I will trust the coach, even though generally I don't like that line of thinking haha.
I generally shy away when internet folks suggest "well this 3 star guy is different" however on the above players there's many sources that are high on those individuals. This is a case where I will trust the coach, even though generally I don't like that line of thinking haha.
Personally, I'd much rather see you starve...
A consensus 3-star recruit, FS/WR Trent Whittemore 6-3 187 probably is going to be one of the more overlooked prospects in the Florida recruiting class. But his new head coach certainly is high on him. “He’s an amazing athlete,” UF coach Dan Mullen said Wednesday.“ Football, basketball. When he gets to concentrate on one sport. I don’t think he’s ever lifted a weight in his life. When he gets on that (Savage) training program, he’s physically going to be a different guy. “He’s got great size, great athleticism. He played all over the field in football. He’s a phenomenal basketball player.” He Yale offered him...
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Mullen asked what Ath/WR Weston’s ranking (***) is among the recruiting services. When he was told it wasn’t very high, he said, “Not very high? OK, good, we’ll see.” The Clewiston receiver is 6-3 212 with excellent speed and hands. But he did not attend any of the big football camps, so the recruiting analysts don’t know much about him. (Bingo)
“He’s a tremendous young man,” Mullen said. “He has great potential, great athleticism, great size. But most important, amazing character and work ethic for a young man. Academically, takes care of his business. How he’s respected in the town of Clewiston, it’s pretty special. He’s got a first-class brand. I’m really happy to have him part of the family. He’s got potential to have a pretty special career here at Florida.”
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OLB Jesiah Pierre 6-2 217 *** has already graduated from Mt. Dora Christian Academy and will enroll early at UF. “I knew Florida was the school I wanted to go to after I took my official visit there,” said Pierre. “I loved the family atmosphere on the team and the hunger for greatness within the football program. I left there just wanting to be a Gator.”
Pierre said he believes playing at MDCA instead of one of the larger schools in the area helped him become a better player, and a better person. “I think you always feel like you have more to prove when you come from a small school and a small town,” said Pierre. “Playing here humbled me and made me want to work harder to achieve my goals. At the same time, I hope it also proves that it doesn’t matter what school you attend or what city you live in, if you work hard enough, coaches will find you.”
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QB J.Jones 6-3 204 4.45/40 -- Mullen said, “He’s a very athletic, got great size, he’s a guy that is always worked very hard at the discipline part of it, being a QB. What I mean by the technique and fundamentals and always improving himself — he’s one of those guys that’s kind of fun. He works hard to play the position, technically at a high level but he has the athleticism and skill to improvise and make plays on his own.” Following his commitment to Florida, Jones was on campus several times in the summer and fall for unofficial visits where he took it upon himself to recruit others to join him in Gainesville.
So, if recruiting services (rivals) want to rank those types ofstudent/athlete/citizens as 3 stars, that's okay with me. I'm going with Dan's eval & choices every time...
Note: All 4 of the above 3 star rivals recruits were rated 4 Stars by ESPN's football professionals, instead of having to pay the camp salesmen for their stars.
I thought Rivals had Jones as a 4 star earlier. I agree he should be a blue chip recruit. I see he is a 4 star on the composite rankings chart.
Alabama HS APB of the Year Perine was a 3 star, until Saban came in late and attempted (but failed) to flip him away from UF. - PRESTO! 4 STAR
RB Malik Davis was a 3 star until Dabo came in late and attempted (but failed) to flip him away from UF. - PRESTO! 4 STAR
WR/RB Kadarius 'the human joystick' Toney was a 3 star.
DE Jachia Polite was a 3 star.
Gator 2018 Defensive MVP:
This season, Polite has recorded 11 sacks, which is just two shy of tying Alex Brown's single-season school record of 13. Polite also has been credited with 48 tackles and 18 tackles for a loss. Polite has already had one of the best seasons any defensive player has ever had in a Gators uniform.
Just a few current cases. This is not a rare occurrence.
Service star ratings are a beginning point, not the end point, so I take them with a grain of salt in most cases.
- PRESTO! 4 STARRB Malik Davis was a 3 star until Dabo came in late and attempted (but failed) to flip him away from UF.
- PRESTO! 4 STARWR/RB Kadarius 'the human joystick' Toney was a 3 star.
DE Jachia Polite was a 3 star.
Gator 2018 Defensive MVP:
This season, Polite has recorded 11 sacks, which is just two shy of tying Alex Brown's single-season school record of 13. Polite also has been credited with 48 tackles and 18 tackles for a loss. Polite has already had one of the best seasons any defensive player has ever had in a Gators uniform.
Just a few current cases. This is not a rare occurrence.
Service star ratings are a beginning point, not the end point, so I take them with a grain of salt in most cases.
Good points. How can Zipperer only be a 4 star when he was rated as the #1 TE-H back in the country? And how can Hammond only be a 4 star when he was the #2 OG in the nation? With that said, UF absolutely needs to start signing some consensus 5 star guys in order to build the quality game changers that the Top 5 team always have. There's a reason why Alabama and Clemson are always Top 5 teams - they have Top 5 recruiting classes. Of course there are always some 5 stars that don't pan out and lower rated players that become big time. But we do need to get back into the Top in recruiting ranking if we want to complete for championships year in and year out.Alabama HS APB of the Year Perine was a 3 star, until Saban came in late and attempted (but failed) to flip him away from UF.
RB Malik Davis was a 3 star until Dabo came in late and attempted (but failed) to flip him away from UF.
WR/RB Kadarius 'the human joystick' Toney was a 3 star.
DE Jachia Polite was a 3 star.
Gator 2018 Defensive MVP:
This season, Polite has recorded 11 sacks, which is just two shy of tying Alex Brown's single-season school record of 13. Polite also has been credited with 48 tackles and 18 tackles for a loss. Polite has already had one of the best seasons any defensive player has ever had in a Gators uniform.
Just a few current cases. This is not a rare occurrence.
Service star ratings are a beginning point, not the end point, so I take them with a grain of salt in most cases.
Rivals SEC Team Recruit Class Rankings after ESD:
1. UA - 26 *
2. UGly - 22
3. aTm - 25 *
4. LSU - 21
~~ 5. Clem's-son - 27
~~ 6. OK - 22
~~ 7. Ore - 22
~~ 8. TX - 23
~~ 9. Mich - 27
~~ 10. PSU - 18
~~ 11. ND - 21
12. Tn - 22
13. Ark - 27 *
~~ 14. FSU - 19
15. AU - 17
~~ 1`6. Wash - 21
17. UF - 21
~~ 18. Neb - 25
19. SCa - 20
~~ 20. Stan - 21
~~ 21 tOUS -16
~~ 22. USCw - 21
23. MsSt - 23
24. Miss - 28 *
~~ 25. Wis -19
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28. UK - 23
31. Miz - 21
46. VU - 23
~~ 50. UCF - 22
So,,, 11 of the SEC teams are in the early Top 25.
And 4 already have 25+ (full class) commits. *
All but AU (17) already have 20+ commits.
And UCF is lower rated than all 14 SEC teams, including 4 places behind Vandy.--
1. UA - 26 *
2. UGly - 22
3. aTm - 25 *
4. LSU - 21
~~ 5. Clem's-son - 27
~~ 6. OK - 22
~~ 7. Ore - 22
~~ 8. TX - 23
~~ 9. Mich - 27
~~ 10. PSU - 18
~~ 11. ND - 21
12. Tn - 22
13. Ark - 27 *
~~ 14. FSU - 19
15. AU - 17
~~ 1`6. Wash - 21
17. UF - 21
~~ 18. Neb - 25
19. SCa - 20
~~ 20. Stan - 21
~~ 21 tOUS -16
~~ 22. USCw - 21
23. MsSt - 23
24. Miss - 28 *
~~ 25. Wis -19
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28. UK - 23
31. Miz - 21
46. VU - 23
~~ 50. UCF - 22
So,,, 11 of the SEC teams are in the early Top 25.
And 4 already have 25+ (full class) commits. *
All but AU (17) already have 20+ commits.
And UCF is lower rated than all 14 SEC teams, including 4 places behind Vandy.
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7 S$C teams in front of 3* Dan
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However, there are only 2 SEC teams in the final regular season CFP Poll that are ranked ahead of #10 Dan/UF, #1 UA and #5 UGly.
Having high ranked recruiting classes and even Heisman pretender QB's hasn't brought a NC to the choker-la-homa Big Game Swooners...
Carry-over from Big Game Bob???
Maybe it's those UG-LEeee Red uniforms that both the swooners and the leghumpers wear that's the problem,,, well, that and idiot coaching...
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7 S$C teams in front of 3* Dan
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Lat Ichecked, recruiting season isn't over.
I'd rather win titles in January than February, anyway.
PS Lincoln Riley is going to look good in Green and Gold.
Never could not understand how our previous two coaches couldn't simply fill needs of positions. Insane
Taking another peek at the 247 Crystal Ball:
ILB Diwun Black (UF unsigned commit) - UF 100%
CB Chris Steele - UF 48% - USCw 32% - Other/OK 18% - Ore 2%
CB Kaiir Elam - UF 94% - UGly 6%
Still looking for than 1-2 quality DL to fill out the class....
ILB Diwun Black (UF unsigned commit) - UF 100%
CB Chris Steele - UF 48% - USCw 32% - Other/OK 18% - Ore 2%
CB Kaiir Elam - UF 94% - UGly 6%
Still looking for than 1-2 quality DL to fill out the class....
May be getting Louisville's best DL. He's in the transfer portal, knows Grantham and it has been reported he's coming here.Taking another peek at the 247 Crystal Ball:
ILB Diwun Black (UF unsigned commit) - UF 100%
CB Chris Steele - UF 48% - USCw 32% - Other/OK 18% - Ore 2%
CB Kaiir Elam - UF 94% - UGly 6%
Still looking for than 1-2 quality DL to fill out the class....
https://bigredlouie.com/2018/12/20/louisville-football-jon-greenard-will-transfer/
He is pretty good looking at his 2017 stats and has some good size for that position.
On December 2nd, Dave Lackford of Rivals.com reported that Greenard intended to transfer away from the program following graduation. Lackford reported that his likely landing spot would be at Florida to play for his former defensive coordinator Todd Grantham.
Yep ocala, I posted as much back then, but I posted is as just a rumor because nothing had been actually done or announced by him. I agree that he'd be a very nice short term addition, but we'd still need 1-2 for the future and/or depth.
I hope it happens.
We need another big body mostly for the interior in the class- I think this guy is a pass rushing DE.
Correct - we get the DE transfer, the 2 corners that look like locks and a true DT we'll be set. Add a safety or that Athlete down south and this will be a really good, well rounded class.
Former Gator CB/Nic Brian Poole (2012-15) intercepted a pass for the second straight week.
Chose Florida over Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Auburn and Miami, etc.
So Gator Fans are all looking forward to both Elam and Steele coming to DB-U to carry on the Gator's fine DB traditions,,, before leaving for their NFL careers.
Chose Florida over Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Auburn and Miami, etc.
So Gator Fans are all looking forward to both Elam and Steele coming to DB-U to carry on the Gator's fine DB traditions,,, before leaving for their NFL careers.
These are the players UF is, apparently, still pushing to get:
http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/12/gators-in-chase-for-these-5-prospects/
http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/12/gators-in-chase-for-these-5-prospects/
Robbie Andreu is terrible when it comes to anything UF related. Did you see his game predictions this year? For somebody that covers UF he’s not very knowledgeable about the program/team.
He left Mark Anthony Richards off his list which we have a better chance at getting more than Bogle (extreme longshot) and Pickering.
Robbie and Pat had grown so accustomed to us sucking under Mus and Mac that they were like shell-shocked all year...
sadgator actually likes to watch the swampcasts and listen to the Dooley Noted podcast...they are at least around the program, so their opinions are welcome even when sadgator disagrees.
The post-game swampcasts are funny as hell, even when not intended to be...
sadgator actually likes to watch the swampcasts and listen to the Dooley Noted podcast...they are at least around the program, so their opinions are welcome even when sadgator disagrees.
The post-game swampcasts are funny as hell, even when not intended to be...
However, there are only 2 SEC teams in the final regular season CFP Poll that are ranked ahead of #10 Dan/UF, #1 UA and #5 UGly.
Having high ranked recruiting classes and even Heisman pretender QB's hasn't brought a NC to the choker-la-homa Big Game Swooners...
Carry-over from Big Game Bob???
Maybe it's those UG-LEeee Red uniforms that both the swooners and the leghumpers wear that's the problem,,, well, that and idiot coaching...
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The cast from Mama's Family could go 12-1 against your schedule.
OU played 2 top 25 teams the entire year and then a whole bunch of scrub team. What was OUs SOS? It couldn’t have been very good
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