Early betting lines where Florida is the underdog
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From the Florida Times Union, 11/30/1955, page 14.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, November 29, 1955 - Florida State University will make formal application for membership in the Southeastern Conference at the conference's regular meeting in Nashville early next month.
From the Florida Times Union, 7/19/1959, page 27.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, July 18, 1959 - Florida State University set out in earnest today to win a berth in the top rated Southeastern Conference. At the same time, FSU announced a 1960 football schedule featuring three SEC opponents
From the Florida Times Union, 9/20/1959, page 38.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, September 19, 1959 - Florida State University reported today it was making progress in a determined bid for Southeastern Conference membership.
From the Florida Times Union, 10/25/1962, page 37
Florida State for years has harbored an ambition to become a member of the Southeastern Conference. A personal belief is that both FSU and the SEC would benefit from such a development.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/20/1963, page 29
ATLANTA, GA, January 19, 1963 - A push to put Florida State in the 12-team Southeastern Conference should highlight business this week at the SEC's annual meeting.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/23/1963, page 14
ATLANTA, GA, January 22, 1963 - Florida State, which has grown since World War II from a school for girls to a co-ed institution with enough muscle to battle just about anyone on the athletic field, makes a new bid this week for membership in the Southeastern Conference.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/25/1963, page 18
ATLANTA, GA, January 24, 1963 - Florida State Athletic Director Vaughan Mancha threw in the towel today on the Seminoles' hopes for joining the Southeastern Conference in the near future but insisted the day would come when the conference would open its doors.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/19/1964, page 48
ATLANTA, GA, January 18, 1964 - One subject that is sure to come up again when the Southeastern Conference holds its annual meeting here this week is the never-ending efforts of independents Florida State and Memphis State to join the league.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/31/1970, page A-17
TAMPA, FL, January 30, 1970 - The prestigious Southeastern Conference slammed its door in the face of Florida State and Memphis State Friday and made it clear that any school seeking admission during the 1970s will be wasting time.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, November 29, 1955 - Florida State University will make formal application for membership in the Southeastern Conference at the conference's regular meeting in Nashville early next month.
From the Florida Times Union, 7/19/1959, page 27.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, July 18, 1959 - Florida State University set out in earnest today to win a berth in the top rated Southeastern Conference. At the same time, FSU announced a 1960 football schedule featuring three SEC opponents
From the Florida Times Union, 9/20/1959, page 38.
TALLAHASSEE, FL, September 19, 1959 - Florida State University reported today it was making progress in a determined bid for Southeastern Conference membership.
From the Florida Times Union, 10/25/1962, page 37
Florida State for years has harbored an ambition to become a member of the Southeastern Conference. A personal belief is that both FSU and the SEC would benefit from such a development.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/20/1963, page 29
ATLANTA, GA, January 19, 1963 - A push to put Florida State in the 12-team Southeastern Conference should highlight business this week at the SEC's annual meeting.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/23/1963, page 14
ATLANTA, GA, January 22, 1963 - Florida State, which has grown since World War II from a school for girls to a co-ed institution with enough muscle to battle just about anyone on the athletic field, makes a new bid this week for membership in the Southeastern Conference.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/25/1963, page 18
ATLANTA, GA, January 24, 1963 - Florida State Athletic Director Vaughan Mancha threw in the towel today on the Seminoles' hopes for joining the Southeastern Conference in the near future but insisted the day would come when the conference would open its doors.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/19/1964, page 48
ATLANTA, GA, January 18, 1964 - One subject that is sure to come up again when the Southeastern Conference holds its annual meeting here this week is the never-ending efforts of independents Florida State and Memphis State to join the league.
From the Florida Times Union, 1/31/1970, page A-17
TAMPA, FL, January 30, 1970 - The prestigious Southeastern Conference slammed its door in the face of Florida State and Memphis State Friday and made it clear that any school seeking admission during the 1970s will be wasting time.
Oh BTW, what's FSUcks W/L record vs SEC teams when playing for a NC? (crickets)
IDK, ask Auburn?
Things that you like to ignore, or better yet, forget:
1996 -- #2 UF 52 - 20 FSUcks #1
Icing -- The NCAA record (-32) losing Pt spread by a #1 ranked team in D1 Bowl history.
1998 Tenn 23 - 16 FSUcks (-7 in the first BCS-NC game)
2002 UGA 26 - 13 FSUcks - (-13) Sugar Bowl
(the year that UGA should have been playing for the NC, USCw was vacated)
2013 #1 14-0 FSUcks 34 - 31 Auburn #2 12-2 -- The last BCS-NC game.
It still took a 4 Qtr, final minutes score to get that come from behind 3 pt win. Impressive!
2014 FSUcks 20 - 59 Ore (+39)
First Playoff Final--4
And then for further embarrassment, Ore lost to tOSU by 22 pts (Ore 20 - 42 tOSU)
2015 -- Freakin' 2nd tier Houston by 2 TD's???
While my Gators have played for a NC 4 times, all 4 of them against the #1 ranked team, and twice vs the Heisman QB. They've gone 3-1 with 3 double digit wins. The only loss was the 1st one, to what many still call the best team in college football history, Tom Osborne's 1995 Neb.
Gators 3 'Official NC's' include:
UF 52 - 20 FSUcks (-32)
UF 41 - 14 tOSU (-27) - Heisman Troy Smith
UF 24 - 14 Okla (-10) - Heisman Sam Bradford
I'm good with that difference...
Things that you like to ignore, or better yet, forget:
1996 -- #2 UF 52 - 20 FSUcks #1
Icing -- The NCAA record (-32) losing Pt spread by a #1 ranked team in D1 Bowl history.
1998 Tenn 23 - 16 FSUcks (-7 in the first BCS-NC game)
2002 UGA 26 - 13 FSUcks - (-13) Sugar Bowl
(the year that UGA should have been playing for the NC, USCw was vacated)
2013 #1 14-0 FSUcks 34 - 31 Auburn #2 12-2 -- The last BCS-NC game.
It still took a 4 Qtr, final minutes score to get that come from behind 3 pt win. Impressive!
2014 FSUcks 20 - 59 Ore (+39)
First Playoff Final--4
And then for further embarrassment, Ore lost to tOSU by 22 pts (Ore 20 - 42 tOSU)
2015 -- Freakin' 2nd tier Houston by 2 TD's???
While my Gators have played for a NC 4 times, all 4 of them against the #1 ranked team, and twice vs the Heisman QB. They've gone 3-1 with 3 double digit wins. The only loss was the 1st one, to what many still call the best team in college football history, Tom Osborne's 1995 Neb.
Gators 3 'Official NC's' include:
UF 52 - 20 FSUcks (-32)
UF 41 - 14 tOSU (-27) - Heisman Troy Smith
UF 24 - 14 Okla (-10) - Heisman Sam Bradford
I'm good with that difference...
I thought we were talking about NC games? Again, ask Auburn. If you want, I'll ask Tommy Frazier what happened in the 1995 game?
I addressed it, and then I just added a bit more for my own fun.
FSUcks is 1-2 vs SEC teams in NC games, vs 3 different SEC teams.
Two losses by a combined 39 pts, and one last minute, come from behind 3 Pt win.
You go ahead and talk to Tommy (not a criminole), and I'll just talk to Danny (always a Gator)...
FSUcks is 1-2 vs SEC teams in NC games, vs 3 different SEC teams.
Two losses by a combined 39 pts, and one last minute, come from behind 3 Pt win.
You go ahead and talk to Tommy (not a criminole), and I'll just talk to Danny (always a Gator)...
Things that you like to ignore, or better yet, forget:
1996 -- #2 UF 52 - 20 FSUcks #1
Icing -- The NCAA record (-32) losing Pt spread by a #1 ranked team in D1 Bowl history.
1998 Tenn 23 - 16 FSUcks (-7 in the first BCS-NC game)
2002 UGA 26 - 13 FSUcks - (-13) Sugar Bowl
(the year that UGA should have been playing for the NC, USCw was vacated)
2013 #1 14-0 FSUcks 34 - 31 Auburn #2 12-2 -- The last BCS-NC game.
It still took a 4 Qtr, final minutes score to get that come from behind 3 pt win. Impressive!
2014 FSUcks 20 - 59 Ore (+39)
First Playoff Final--4
And then for further embarrassment, Ore lost to tOSU by 22 pts (Ore 20 - 42 tOSU)
2015 -- Freakin' 2nd tier Houston by 2 TD's???
While my Gators have played for a NC 4 times, all 4 of them against the #1 ranked team, and twice vs the Heisman QB. They've gone 3-1 with 3 double digit wins. The only loss was the 1st one, to what many still call the best team in college football history, Tom Osborne's 1995 Neb.
Gators 3 'Official NC's' include:
UF 52 - 20 FSUcks (-32)
UF 41 - 14 tOSU (-27) - Heisman Troy Smith
UF 24 - 14 Okla (-10) - Heisman Sam Bradford
I'm good with that difference...
Such a dumbass. USC didn't even play for the NC in 2002. That would be undefeateds Ohio State and Miami.
It makes you soooooooooooooo angry that FSU snapped the sec streak. It will always be FSU that ended the streak. Always. Forever. How does that make you feel?
congrats on beating auburn guys, I don't think sec fans will be able to live with themselves.
I am sure you misplaced those Bowden quotes from around 1990 and more recently discussing why FSU chickened out from joining the SEC?
No problem, I'm incorrect so seldom that when it happens and I'm corrected, I just say thank you.
I didn't look it up, and so I switched 2004 with 2002. It should have been Auburn in 04, with UGA playing for it in 02.
The only streaks that matter to me as far as FSUcks goes, is the All Time W/L Record, and our record against the late-hit criminoles in NC games.
(pesky-facts for ya)As to tOSU,,,,,2006 BCS-NC - #2 UF 41 - 14 tOSU #1 with Heisman QB
But I notice that you failed to address my entire post, attempting to focus everything on my one small year error instead. weak-sauce from you yet again
No problem, I'm incorrect so seldom that when it happens and I'm corrected, I just say thank you.
I didn't look it up, and so I switched 2004 with 2002. It should have been Auburn in 04, with UGA playing for it in 02.
The only streaks that matter to me as far as FSUcks goes, is the All Time W/L Record, and our record against the late-hit criminoles in NC games.
As to tOSU,,,,,2006 BCS-NC - #2 UF 41 - 14 tOSU #1 with Heisman QB
But I notice that you failed to address my entire post, attempting to focus everything on my one small year error instead. weak-sauce from you yet again
It makes it even worse. You think USC was overrated in 2004? USC that beat #2 Oklahoma 55-19 in the NC game? Do you even watch football? UGA and Auburn were exactly where they deserved to be. Watching the NC on television.
Here's another fact. In each of FSU's National Championship seasons we have beaten you on your home field.
"We had tried to get in the SEC for 30 years and had been turned down all the time," Bowden said, recalling the events in the summer of '90 that ultimately led the school to forgo its independent status. "Then all of a sudden they came to us wanting to get in there."
"Meanwhile, the SEC had caught wind of the ACC's intention to hold an expansion vote and quickly convened its own conference call. They voted to not extend Florida State an invitation to the conference."
Bowden quote < 30 years of scared.
Oh just stop it. You embarrass yourself.
FSU did not get into the SEC because Bowden was afraid of the competition. He admitted. Twice. Try for intellectual honesty for once in your life.
FSU did not get into the SEC because Bowden was afraid of the competition. He admitted. Twice. Try for intellectual honesty for once in your life.
OMG this is all that I can think about...it's ruining my life...how did you know? 'Always, forever' #douchebag
Once in my life? You know me? I provided you proof that FSU tried to gain admissions into the SEC for 30 some odd years and you hang on the every word of our former football coach who I know you just hold in the highest regard due to his intellectual honesty? Rich. I know what Bobby said. Not trying to deny that. Are you trying to deny we practically begged to join the conference starting in the 50's?
I never denied that FSU wanted to, and tried to join the SEC for a long, long time. Yet when they had their first legitimate chance, they chose not to do so.
They chose....poorly.
Why?
Your own coach articulated the reasons. Which were never disputed by anyone else.
When the SEC got wind the FSU was going to choose the ACC, the offer was withdrawn. To be sure it was a face saving, meaningless and probably somewhat petulant gesture by the SEC. But none the less, had FSU not weenied out, FSU would be in the SEC.
FSU all but assured that would happen, given they joined the ACC. They were assured they would not have to play very many SEC games. Because weenied out.
I am sure you would. FSU's record over the last 26 years plus would have been a lot worse. As it stands, FSU would have been in the SEC West. That might have helped FSU in the 90s. But by the turn of the century, FSUs record would have been materially worse.
But just think, had the SEC not made its futile, last minute " face saving, meaningless and probably somewhat petulant gesture" , after ignoring many years of FSU's attempts to join, but instead actually made a true invitation, the Nole probably would have never become a dynasty.
Actually, the whole point of withdrawing an offer is based on the premise that an offer was originally made. Not that we would expect a FSU fan to understand that distinction. Bless your little hearts.
Ah yes.... SEC elementary school diplomacy, but at least you can relate. Bless your soul as well.
Nothing would have improved FSU's record in the 90's over playing 8 ACC middle school teams a year.
Nice try but a total fail since the SOS for the Nole dynasty years averaged #16 with 4 of the years in the top 10 and 3 more in top 11. OOC games actually count as well.
Nobody in the country scheduled hard Out of Conference in the 1990's than FSU. For example, in 1998 FSU's Non-Conference schedule consisted of Texas A&M (Won the Big 12 in 1998) on a Neutral Site, USCW at home, Miami on the road and UF at home. That more than makes up for what was a mediocre ACC schedule in the 1990's. That's why FSU's Strength of Schedule was always Top 10 throughout the 1990's.
What's hilarious about this is, the question was about what other conference FSU could have joined in the 90's and had the same level of success. So tell me GENIUS, how the out of conference schedule impacts THE CONFERENCE YOU JOINED?
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Well, you know what? It wasn't. For example, in 1995, it was #47.
http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/output/1995/CF_1995_Ranking_Schedule.html
FSU could have joined any conf. and had the same level of success in those yrs. With an avg. of 16th best SOS and 7 yrs with top 11 SOS , a decade in the top 5 polls, and won head/head with UF that was the class of the SEC, it is clear. The OOC has no effect on the conf. you joined, but the OOC assuredly affects your overall SOS.
"FSU could have joined any conf. and had the same level of success in those yrs"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If you aren't a professional comedienne, you are in the wrong field!
We did not think you were smart enough to understand the distinction. We were right.
Used a thesaurus to formulate that response? Bless your heart. During the Noles dynasty yrs. UF won the SEC 6 times and FSU was 11-4-1 vs UF. There is no metric that would preclude FSU not being dominant in any conf. those years.
Maybe some of us Gators should go over to snore-rant and post Gator stuff constantly, to kind of balance out the crimi-trolls that are constantly over here, 'chittying' up the Gator board?
Problem is, none of us big-brothers are the least bit interested in being on their excuse for a board, just like none of us were interested in attending that crimi-hole in tallycrappy.
But hey, tell us some more about that 2nd rate excuse for a Clown-U that you're so proud of.
The laughing never ends over it....
(btw, UF once tried to join the ACC, but they said that we scored way to high on the tests to be allowed in.... )
Problem is, none of us big-brothers are the least bit interested in being on their excuse for a board, just like none of us were interested in attending that crimi-hole in tallycrappy.
But hey, tell us some more about that 2nd rate excuse for a Clown-U that you're so proud of.
The laughing never ends over it....
(btw, UF once tried to join the ACC, but they said that we scored way to high on the tests to be allowed in.... )
Changing the discussion because you are getting your ass kicked? Typical Nole.
The discussion was the ACC in the 90's. Since you joined in 92, we start there. In the 90's, as a conference team, FSU played 64 ACC games and lost 2. FSU played 11 times against the SEC and lost 4 times and tied once. 97% against ACC. I won't compare to the SEC %, that's unfair because you only played top tier SEC teams. However, if your position is that you would have also won 97% against the SEC, or the BIG 10, PAC 10, Big 12, or even the Big East, then I want some of what you are smoking.
Did not understand that you were the self-proclaimed discussion guru. Since the Nole dynasty is defined as '87-2000, if you want to claim I changed the discussion because you decided the topic was exclusively the '90 -- ok wow I sure am chagrined at that ass kicking you gave. Since FSU didn't finish out of the top five in those years never losing more than a couple of games/yr, was 11-3 in major bowls, had 2 undefeated seasons in the '90s and handled the best of the SEC those years, played Miami OOC every year and 7-1 vs SEC not named UF , had a very good SOS and played ND, USC, MIch. VT, M.St , I guess you are completely correct that FSU would not have 97% over every other conf. since they were only 82% vs SEC. They did better vs every other conf. but Big East with Miami. I stand proudly corrected since I did not realize they were at 97% vs ACC.
>>> 1998 in the first BCS-NC game, Tenn 23 - 16 FSUcks
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FSU's 1990 regular season opponents by their W/L records:
5-6
D2
4-7
6-5
10-2 <<<
8-3-1
5-6
6-5
1-10
4-6-1
9-2 <<<
(Only 2 opponents with 9+ wins)
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58-52-2 = a D1 opponents winning percentage of 51.8% plus a D2
So yep, another Top 10 SoS for the criminoles.... (using Clown-U math I guess)
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In 1991, FSUcks played 5 more opponents with losing records plus a D2 for half of their killer schedule.
* While UF played 7 opponents with winning records, and 6 of those had 9+ wins.
And is there a difference between a 9 win ACC opponent that's playing an ACC schedule, and a 9 win SEC team that's playing an SEC schedule? (I think so...)
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It's kind of like the crim's 1999 NC game against mighty undefeated 11-0 Big Least Champ VaT.
VaT only played 4 teams that season that even had a winning record.
7-5 Va, 7-5 Syr, 9-4 Mia, 8-4 BC. Their other 6 D1 opponents were losers, plus a D2.
Talk about a gimmie low-brow NC opponent for the criminoles.....
>>> 1998 in the first BCS-NC game, Tenn 23 - 16 FSUcks
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FSU's 1990 regular season opponents by their W/L records:
5-6
D2
4-7
6-5
10-2 <<<
8-3-1
5-6
6-5
1-10
4-6-1
9-2 <<<
(Only 2 opponents with 9+ wins)
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58-52-2 = a D1 opponents winning percentage of 51.8% plus a D2
So yep, another Top 10 SoS for the criminoles.... (using Clown-U math I guess)
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In 1991, FSUcks played 5 more opponents with losing records plus a D2 for half of their killer schedule.
* While UF played 7 opponents with winning records, and 6 of those had 9+ wins.
And is there a difference between a 9 win ACC opponent that's playing an ACC schedule, and a 9 win SEC team that's playing an SEC schedule? (I think so...)
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It's kind of like the crim's 1999 NC game against mighty undefeated 11-0 Big Least Champ VaT.
VaT only played 4 teams that season that even had a winning record.
7-5 Va, 7-5 Syr, 9-4 Mia, 8-4 BC. Their other 6 D1 opponents were losers, plus a D2.
Talk about a gimmie low-brow NC opponent for the criminoles.....
I know reading comp./memory is a problem for some so here's a copy of post # 63 that includes ALL of the Nole dynasty yrs.. It almost seems childish and deceitful to only use partial data.
The original discussion was about FSU joining the SEC instead of the ACC. The response was that FSU would have done as well no matter what conference they joined. That is completely ridiculous and laughable, which is why you tried to change the discussion. But see, I'm not going to let you.
FSU WOULD NOT HAVE DONE AS WELL IN THE 90'S IN ANY OTHER CONFERENCE AS THEY DID IN THE ACC. Period. End of story. And you can't use the 80's years because they were in no conference. To try to debate this point proves, beyond any doubt, that person is an idiot.
You just didn't read my post # 75 did you? While I have no idea why 87-89 bothers you so completely, it doesn't change the fact that FSU in the '90's was dominant, it simply shows they were dominant longer. Give it up on that already. Any rational, intelligent fan can see that with that many top 5 finishes, 2 undefeated seasons, and a SOS with 7 top 11 finishes in 14 yrs. , FSU was rolling. Again I proudly concede that I didn't remember they were 97% in the ACC to ONLY 82% vs SEC.
I refuse to respond to your strawman any longer. I simply want you to tell me what other conference FSU could have joined where they would have had the same success or better than the ACC. Remembering that they only lost 2 games in those 7 years.
