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Phil Steele has posted a list of early betting lines for "marquee games" in the 2016 college football season from the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino.

Florida is an underdog in all five marquee games listed. Three of those games are on the road, while one is at a neutral site.

You can view the early betting lines for Florida games listed by the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino below.

Florida @ Tennessee (-9)
Florida vs. LSU (-4.5)
Florida vs. Georgia (-1)
Florida @ Arkansas (-2.5)
Florida @ Florida State (-10.5)
 
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Those are lines you would expect for a mid-tier SEC team, which is apparently what Vegas thinks we are. Hopefully, that's not the case.
 
Phil Steele has posted a list of early betting lines for "marquee games" in the 2016 college football season from the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino.

Florida is an underdog in all five marquee games listed. Three of those games are on the road, while one is at a neutral site.

You can view the early betting lines for Florida games listed by the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino below.

Florida @ Tennessee (-9)
Florida vs. LSU (-4.5)
Florida vs. Georgia (-1)
Florida @ Arkansas (-2.5)
Florida @ Florida State (-10.5)

I'm surprised pig slop is favored even though it's road game for the lizzerds?
 
Tennis-sea 57% --- UGA 30% --- Florida 10% --- Others 3%.
I guess their Head-BJ should just go ahead and order their SECe-C Rings now....:rolleyes:

Florida picked to finish 3rd in the SECe, behind both Tenn (11 in a row) and UGA (2 in a row). -- Of course, both were picked ahead of UF last year too....
02


“What were we (picked to finish) last year, 5th?” CoY McElwain said. “We’re making progress.” ;)
(nope, the media-daze-morons are the one's that are making slow progress,,, as usual) o_O

“I'll have a meeting with our guys and see if they want to play those games or just forfeit,” he said. “I guess we're not very good is what that’s telling me." (but me, Mc, and the Gator players won't be listening to the media-morons again this year) :cool:

BTW, how many times has the tennis-sea Head-BJ won the SECe? Okay, how about the 10 win SEC CoY? Okay then, what's his W/L record vs Florida at least? ----- (to-bad...)
04


McElwain had the most wins of a first-year Florida coach in UF school history and has already faced Saban in Atlanta. In McElwain's first season at UF, he went 6-0 SECe, 7-1 SEC, then lost the SEC-C to eventual NC UA and finished his 1st season with 10 wins. He is just the 3rd SEC coach to ever play in the SEC-C game in his first season as an SEC head coach.
Slob Swoops and the Head-BJ have something in common, neither have ever beat UF. :)
 
So why is UF not picked to repeat as the SECe-C?
Why,,, they have no talent at all on their (lucky last year) team. :rolleyes:

FS Marcus Maye rsSr -- Jim Thorpe Award Watch List: Best DB
(CB Vernon Hargraves III Jr was a Thorpe Finalist (3) in 2015)
CB Jalen Tabor Jr -- Should be on the Thorpe list imo.

LB Jarrad Davis Sr -- Butkus Award Watch List: Best LB
He's also on the Wuerffel Award Watch List: Community Service

A Trio of Gators on the Bronco Nagurski Trophy Watch List: Best Def. Player
FS Marcus Maye rsSr - LB Jarrad Davis Sr - CB Jalen Tabor Jr
That Trio was also named to the Chuck Bednarik Award List - Best Def. Player

WR/PR Antonio Callaway Soph -- Paul Hornung Award Watch List: Most Versatile Player
* He might not even be the best WR on the team for 2016...

TE DeAndre Goolsby Jr -- John Mackey Award Watch List: Best TE
(Goolsby was named a Mackey Award Honorable Mention of the Week in 2015)
TE C'yontai Lewis rsSo might be the better of the two, at least when he's healthy....

LG/LT Martez Ivey Soph -- Outland Trophy Watch List: Best Interior Lineman
LT David Sharpe Jr (6-6 347) -- played LT as a tFr, as a Soph 14 GP, 13 GS.

P Johnny Townsend rsJr -- Ray Guy Award Watch List: Best Punter
K Eddy Pinero rsSo -- Should be on the Lou Groza Watch List imo: Best PK

And there's no team balance either,,, 3 on defense, 3 on offense, and 1 on ST's.

* Too bad that the Gators don't have any (4-5 star) talent or depth at RB-QB-WR.... :rolleyes:
 
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I still think it is a coin flip on who wins the East. Tennessee still has to prove it can beat you guys and can Kirby instill a winner's attitude in Athens. The rest of the East has no chance.
 
I still think it is a coin flip on who wins the East. Tennessee still has to prove it can beat you guys and can Kirby instill a winner's attitude in Athens. The rest of the East has no chance.

Don't under estimate, Champ. Spurs Up!
 
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I still think it is a coin flip on who wins the East. Tennessee still has to prove it can beat you guys and can Kirby instill a winner's attitude in Athens. The rest of the East has no chance.

2015

UF 14 - 9 UK -5
Mz 13 - 21 UK +8
AU 30 - 27 UK -3

Ms 16 - 27 VU -11
Mz 3 - 10 VU +7
UF 9 - 7 VU -3
UK 17 - 21 VU +4

NC 13 - 17 SCa +4
UCF 14 - 31 SCa +17
aTm 35 - 28 SCa -7
Tenn 27 - 24 SCa -3
> Clem 37 - 32 SCa -5 ---> (FSU 13 - 23 Clem +10)

> SCa 10 - 24 Mizz +14
UGA 9 - 6 Mizz -3
BYU 16 - 20 Mizz +4 (9-4 BYU)

Anyway, it seems that even those supposedly 'No Chance' SEC teams are still decent opponents, unlike say WF or BC among the cupcakes, or Kansas or Purdue in the Big Whatever's, or the Pac's OreSt.

SEC Teams that have been their Division Champs since the 1992 expansion include:
UF-Tn-UGa-SCa-Miz -- UA-LSU-AU-Ark-MsSt
That's 10 of the SEC's 14 teams. (5 of those 10 division champs have also won a NC)

Show me that same info/stat for any of the other Power-5 Conferences. (they're laughable imo)
 
2015

UF 14 - 9 UK -5
Mz 13 - 21 UK +8
AU 30 - 27 UK -3

Ms 16 - 27 VU -11
Mz 3 - 10 VU +7
UF 9 - 7 VU -3
UK 17 - 21 VU +4

NC 13 - 17 SCa +4
UCF 14 - 31 SCa +17
aTm 35 - 28 SCa -7
Tenn 27 - 24 SCa -3
> Clem 37 - 32 SCa -5 ---> (FSU 13 - 23 Clem +10)

> SCa 10 - 24 Mizz +14
UGA 9 - 6 Mizz -3
BYU 16 - 20 Mizz +4 (9-4 BYU)

Anyway, it seems that even those supposedly 'No Chance' SEC teams are still decent opponents, unlike say WF or BC among the cupcakes, or Kansas or Purdue in the Big Whatever's, or the Pac's OreSt.

SEC Teams that have been their Division Champs since the 1992 expansion include:
UF-Tn-UGa-SCa-Miz -- UA-LSU-AU-Ark-MsSt
That's 10 of the SEC's 14 teams. (5 of those 10 division champs have also won a NC)

Show me that same info/stat for any of the other Power-5 Conferences. (they're laughable imo)

I didn't see any poster claim that Vandy, KY, etc were not decent opponents last yr. though usually they are not much. What was stated was that the poster said that they had no chance of winning the SEC E. Those # posted don't show any compelling argument that they will knock off UF, UGa, or UT.
 
I didn't see any poster claim that Vandy, KY, etc were not decent opponents last yr. though usually they are not much. What was stated was that the poster said that they had no chance of winning the SEC E. Those # posted don't show any compelling argument that they will knock off UF, UGa, or UT.

What the numbers I posted show, is that 5 of the 7 SECe teams have won the E-division since the 1992 expansion, and 2 of the 5 have also won a NC. (a 3rd SECe team, 13-1 UGa, got jobbed out of playing for the NC in 2002, (Sugar Bowl UGa 26 - 13 FSU). :p
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"Show me that same info/stat for any of the other Power-5 Conferences. (they're laughable imo)" -- iG

I notice that you FAILED to post your own Cupcake Conference stats,,, typical.o_O



Claim: UK and VU are usually not very much.

Yeah, and in which conference do they have to play against? (weakest? - strongest?)

The last 5 years UK has struggled a bit, but the last 2 seasons they have missed a bowl by just 1 win (5-7).
Before that, they went to 5 consecutive Bowl games, beating Clempson, FSU, & ECa in 3 of the 5 Bowl games.

VU has gone to a bowl in 3 of the last 5 years going 2-1, beating NCSt and Houston (2013).
Since losing their HBC (James Franklin) to PSU, they have again struggled the past 2 years but are seen to be on their way back up, (W/L record is slowly improving).

I agree that UK and VU have not yet won the SECe, but they are spoilers for those who do fairly often. :oops:
 
What the numbers I posted show, is that 5 of the 7 SECe teams have won the E-division since the 1992 expansion, and 2 of the 5 have also won a NC. (a 3rd SECe team, 13-1 UGa, got jobbed out of playing for the NC in 2002, (Sugar Bowl UGa 26 - 13 FSU). :p

Having to go back 15 yrs. to make a point about the current field of SEC E teams completely defeats your point. Sure the SEC E is a powerhouse and has no weaknesses---- said no one last year!!!!
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"Show me that same info/stat for any of the other Power-5 Conferences. (they're laughable imo)" -- iG

I notice that you FAILED to post your own Cupcake Conference stats,,, typical.o_O


Take your meds. Try to focus. Not anywhere near the topic nor pertinent to the post.



Claim: UK and VU are usually not very much.

Yeah, and in which conference do they have to play against? (weakest? - strongest?)

The last 5 years UK has struggled a bit, but the last 2 seasons they have missed a bowl by just 1 win (5-7).
Before that, they went to 5 consecutive Bowl games, beating Clempson, FSU, & ECa in 3 of the 5 Bowl games.

VU has gone to a bowl in 3 of the last 5 years going 2-1, beating NCSt and Houston (2013).
Since losing their HBC (James Franklin) to PSU, they have again struggled the past 2 years but are seen to be on their way back up, (W/L record is slowly improving).

I agree that UK and VU have not yet won the SECe, but they are spoilers for those who do fairly often. :oops:
 
Like I said, no way USCe, Vandy, Kentucky or Missouri have a chance. If they do, the other teams are lousy.
 
Like I said, no way USCe, Vandy, Kentucky or Missouri have a chance. If they do, the other teams are lousy.

And I'm still waiting for your 'quality' assessment of your own Cupcake league?
Here is the long list of Cupcakes that have even played for a NC in that span:
Criminoles - scUM (wow, that didn't take long) :rolleyes:
Opps, I almost forgot that Clemp's-son beat NC for the privilege of getting beat by the SEC-C in 2015.

Can you even name the Cupcakes that have won their divisions so far? o_O
 
And I'm still waiting for your 'quality' assessment of your own Cupcake league?
Here is the long list of Cupcakes that have even played for a NC in that span:
Criminoles - scUM (wow, that didn't take long) :rolleyes:
Opps, I almost forgot that Clemp's-son beat NC for the privilege of getting beat by the SEC-C in 2015.

Can you even name the Cupcakes that have won their divisions so far? o_O

Typical switch by Insta.... makes claims that mean nothing then try to argue the topic of SEC vs ACC.
 
Tennessee doesn't even worry me slightly.
not sure about slightly, but I agree with your general premise. Tennessee still needs to prove it can complete forward passes on a consistent basis. I would also say UF still has an overall talent edge versus UT and there is no denying the pressure s squarely on the Vols until they can actually hold a lead when the clock hits 0:00. UF's defense will keep them in the game. I think it ends up somewhere around UF 23 UT 13.
 
Insta-stats

Random statistics from decades ago with no relation to today
breaking up team names for unknown comedic effect

1993-1997 Vol- UN- TEER-S
SEC

Crim-i-noles and the CUP-Cake CON-fer-ence:p
Wake-FOR-REST:eek:
MAIMI HURR- A-
CANE- So_O

Random emoticons:oops::confused::p

Star ratings for players that haven't played in years
*****INGLE MARTIN
*****Brock Berlin
****Vannez Gooch (stolen from FSU and THe Cup-Cake Con-FER-rense)
****Jamar Hornsby
 
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What the numbers I posted show, is that 5 of the 7 SECe teams have won the E-division since the 1992 expansion, and 2 of the 5 have also won a NC. (a 3rd SECe team, 13-1 UGa, got jobbed out of playing for the NC in 2002, (Sugar Bowl UGa 26 - 13 FSU). :p
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"Show me that same info/stat for any of the other Power-5 Conferences. (they're laughable imo)" -- iG

I notice that you FAILED to post your own Cupcake Conference stats,,, typical.o_O



Claim: UK and VU are usually not very much.

Yeah, and in which conference do they have to play against? (weakest? - strongest?)

The last 5 years UK has struggled a bit, but the last 2 seasons they have missed a bowl by just 1 win (5-7).
Before that, they went to 5 consecutive Bowl games, beating Clempson, FSU, & ECa in 3 of the 5 Bowl games.

VU has gone to a bowl in 3 of the last 5 years going 2-1, beating NCSt and Houston (2013).
Since losing their HBC (James Franklin) to PSU, they have again struggled the past 2 years but are seen to be on their way back up, (W/L record is slowly improving).

I agree that UK and VU have not yet won the SECe, but they are spoilers for those who do fairly often. :oops:

I agree with Insta on this, Stoops has done a nice job building both lines at UK to at least allow them to compete. And Mason fields very good defenses at Vandy.
 
I agree with Insta on this, Stoops has done a nice job building both lines at UK to at least allow them to compete. And Mason fields very good defenses at Vandy.

Out of 128 teams, UK and Vandy finished in the mid 80's and both had losing seasons and won a total of 12 games between them. They are not really bad teams in any way but seldom challenge better teams for four full qtrs. (depth). Can become senior-laden and get occasional upsets but, not a real threat to win division titles.
 
Tennessee doesn't even worry me slightly.
And you realize that they had us down by 13 with approx. 4 mins left to play at home last year, that this year's game is in Knoxville, that the game means absolutely everything to them, and that our qb will be making his first SEC road start in that game, right?

And you aren't even slightly worried?
 
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"And I'm still waiting for your 'quality' assessment of your own Cupcake league?" iG

But what do you do instead of answering the pertinent question?
Well, you can do your usual Clown-U version of the Duck-Dodge&Weave.... o_O

Insta-stats

Random statistics from decades ago with no relation to today
breaking up team names for unknown comedic effect

1993-1997 Vol- UN- TEER-S
SEC

Crim-i-noles and the CUP-Cake CON-fer-ence:p
Wake-FOR-REST:eek:
MAIMI HURR- A-
CANE- So_O

Random emoticons:oops::confused::p

Star ratings for players that haven't played in years
*****INGLE MARTIN
*****Brock Berlin
****Vannez Gooch (stolen from FSU and THe Cup-Cake Con-FER-rense)
****Jamar Hornsby

Typical Clown reply. :cool:
 
And you realize that they had us down by 13 with approx. 4 mins left to play at home last year, that this year's game is in Knoxville, that the game means absolutely everything to them, and that >>our qb will be making his first SEC road start in that game, right?<<

And you aren't even slightly worried?

Are you aware that the Gator's have a winning record in no-Knox?
Even Peyton Manning was 0-2 vs the Gators in no-Knox. ;)

And what that means, is that ALL of the pressure to win is on THEM! :confused:

>>
It's the 4th game by then, if he's not ready at that point, he never will be imo.<< o_O
 
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The same people betting against Florida this year did the same thing last year. Every team has questions to answer. The answers won't be decided in Vegas. Let us hope Coach Mac and his boys are ready to prove the naysayers wrong again.....on the field.
 
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try to argue the topic of SEC vs ACC.

ROTF :D:D:D LMAO at that kind of the usual criminole clown stupidity.

THERE IS NO SEC VS ACC ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, THE RECORDS ARE THERE FOR ANYONE TO SEE (that aren't wearing cupcake or Clown-U blinders anyway...) :rolleyes:
 
ROTF :D:D:D LMAO at that kind of the usual criminole clown stupidity.

THERE IS NO SEC VS ACC ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, THE RECORDS ARE THERE FOR ANYONE TO SEE (that aren't wearing cupcake or Clown-U blinders anyway...) :rolleyes:

I don't find it necessary to ride conference coattails, though I can understand your predilection in that regard. I'm fine with how the Noles have been doing vs the SEC.
 
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I don't find it necessary to ride conference coattails, though I can understand your predilection in that regard. I'm fine with how the Noles have been doing vs the SEC.

Of course you are, (usually only playing 1 SEC team per season), and all of us here understand exactly why you're in the with the Cupcakes to begin with.

"We can play for more NC's in the ACC than in the SEC." -- Saint Blobby Bowdown

2015:
D-2 Tennis-sea Chatt-a-noooo-ga
3-9 TxSt
3-9 BC
3-9 WF
3-9 GaTech (opps)
4-8 Syracuse

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And then on to the BIG Boys:
7-6 NCSt
8-5 USF
8-5 scUM
8-5 Louisville


And your usual 3 games vs teams with 9+ wins, going 1-2 against the real teams, with your only win against the team playing with a barely competent backup QB. I'm just soooo impressed.... :rolleyes:

Oh BTW, what's FSUcks W/L record vs SEC teams when playing for a NC? (crickets) :p
 
Of course you are, (usually only playing 1 SEC team per season), and all of us here understand exactly why you're in the with the Cupcakes to begin with.

"We can play for more NC's in the ACC than in the SEC." -- Saint Blobby Bowdown

2015:
D-2 Tennis-sea Chatt-a-noooo-ga
3-9 TxSt
3-9 BC
3-9 WF
3-9 GaTech (opps)
4-8 Syracuse

----
And then on to the BIG Boys:
7-6 NCSt
8-5 USF
8-5 scUM
8-5 Louisville


And your usual 3 games vs teams with 9+ wins, going 1-2 against the real teams, with your only win against the team playing with a barely competent backup QB. I'm just soooo impressed.... :rolleyes:

Oh BTW, what's FSUcks W/L record vs SEC teams when playing for a NC? (crickets) :p

FSU, in a relatively short fb history, has been to more bowls than most teams, more BCS bowls than most teams, and won at a higher % than most teams. No excuses needed about QB...... can only play who you have, ask UT in the NC game and Houston in our last NY6 bowl.
 
I think once a program has been around for 70 years, this kind of reasoning is a bit weak.

Personally I consider 125 yrs. of fb to be relatively longer than 70 yrs. The 6 teams with more bowl wins than FSU, though only a couple with higher win %, each began in the 1890's or earlier. When bowls began about 1930's, those programs had matured and were in position to compete for bowls.
 
Personally I consider 125 yrs. of fb to be relatively longer than 70 yrs. The 6 teams with more bowl wins than FSU, though only a couple with higher win %, each began in the 1890's or earlier. When bowls began about 1930's, those programs had matured and were in position to compete for bowls.
Which teams have been playing 125 years? Not many. And not Florida. You guys are great at trying to make you program better than it is.

"omglookatuswehavebeenplayingforonly70yarsomgweareawsome"
 
Which teams have been playing 125 years? Not many. And not Florida. You guys are great at trying to make you program better than it is.

"omglookatuswehavebeenplayingforonly70yarsomgweareawsome"
The six teams ahead of FSU in bowl wins Bama 1892, USC 1888, Okla. 1895, Tx. 1893, PSt. 1887, UGa. 1892. UF is not in there since FSU has more bowl wins and a higher winning % as well. I have no idea how long UF has played though college games were played in the late 1860's
 
Florida was founded in 1853. The University officially first played football in 1906.

The first college bowl game was first played in 1902 in California. There was little interest to play another until the second time there was a college bowl game, which was played in 1916, also in California.

This time, crowds and interest in the Tournament East-West football game continued to grow, and in 1923 it was moved to a massive new stadium in Pasadena called the Rose Bowl. The New Year’s Day game took on the name of its new home, and the “bowl game” was born.

During the 1930s, other warm-weather locations followed Pasadena’s lead and latched onto New Year’s Day college football games as a way to lure tourists—and their dollars—seeking a mid-winter break. In 1933, Manhattan College and the University of Miami squared off in the Festival of Palms Bowl, which was subsequently rechristened the Orange Bowl. The Sugar Bowl debuted in New Orleans in 1935, the Sun Bowl first invited college teams to El Paso in 1936 and the Cotton Bowl launched in Dallas in 1937. That same year even featured a bowl game in Havana, Cuba, as Auburn and Villanova squared off in the Bacardi Bowl.

With six bowl games on the New Year’s Day calendar in 1937, an Associated Press headline proclaimed “‘Bowl’ Grid Games Are Here to Stay.” That was in spite of the vocal opposition of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), which had just unanimously adopted a report that held post-season bowls had no place in college football “because they serve no sound educational ends, and such promotions merely trade upon intercollegiate football for commercial purposes.”

The commercialization—and proliferation of—bowl games, however, had only just begun. After World War II, short-lived bowl games with strange names, and in some cases stranger wintertime locations, began to sprout, including the Great Lakes Bowl in Cleveland, the Raisin Bowl in Fresno, the Salad Bowl in Phoenix, the Cigar Bowl in Tampa and the Camellia Bowl in Lafayette, Louisiana.

After the Associated Press began in 1965 to release its final college football poll after the bowls were played, and not before, the New Year’s Day contests became the venues for crowning a mythical national champion. With the growth in the number of games and the advent of television coverage, bowl directors began to offer the best teams more and more money to appear in their tilts. As bowls spent more money, they required more revenue, and the 1980s saw the arrival of corporate sponsorship. The major New Year’s Day tilts took on corporate title sponsors, giving college football fans the Sunkist Fiesta Bowl, the USF&G Sugar Bowl and the FedEx Orange Bowl. Some game, such as the Blockbuster Bowl and Outback Bowl, gave up all noncommercial pretenses and simply adopted the names of corporations

As fans clamored for college football to institute a playoff to determine its national champion, the bowls resisted changes to the entrenched and lucrative system, but in the 1990s the Rose, Fiesta, Orange and Sugar Bowls did come together to form the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) to match two of the country’s top teams in a single national championship game. The title contest was rotated among the bowls until 2007, when a separate national championship game was established. The creation of the BCS might have brought better matchups on the field, but it also watered down the New Year’s Day football bonanza as BCS games were staged on several nights in early January. This season, Alabama and Notre Dame will play for the national championship on January 7, more than three weeks after the 35-game bowl season kicked off with the Gildan New Mexico and Famous Idaho Potato Bowls. Change is coming following the 2014 season, however, with the launch of a four-team college football playoff. The bowls, though, will still host the semifinal games.

So, reading all that, one has to conclude that FSU started playing football just as interest in bolw games started.

I am glad you FSU fans are proud you have won more bowl games than other programs. It is a legitimate source of pride. But the "hey we have been playing football for 70 years and have just as many if not more bowl wins as other teams that have been playing football for 125 years" is a bit...well..pathetic. Be proud of the bowl wins. No need to embellish them.
 
Florida was founded in 1853. The University officially first played football in 1906.

The first college bowl game was first played in 1902 in California. There was little interest to play another until the second time there was a college bowl game, which was played in 1916, also in California.

This time, crowds and interest in the Tournament East-West football game continued to grow, and in 1923 it was moved to a massive new stadium in Pasadena called the Rose Bowl. The New Year’s Day game took on the name of its new home, and the “bowl game” was born.

During the 1930s, other warm-weather locations followed Pasadena’s lead and latched onto New Year’s Day college football games as a way to lure tourists—and their dollars—seeking a mid-winter break. In 1933, Manhattan College and the University of Miami squared off in the Festival of Palms Bowl, which was subsequently rechristened the Orange Bowl. The Sugar Bowl debuted in New Orleans in 1935, the Sun Bowl first invited college teams to El Paso in 1936 and the Cotton Bowl launched in Dallas in 1937. That same year even featured a bowl game in Havana, Cuba, as Auburn and Villanova squared off in the Bacardi Bowl.

With six bowl games on the New Year’s Day calendar in 1937, an Associated Press headline proclaimed “‘Bowl’ Grid Games Are Here to Stay.” That was in spite of the vocal opposition of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), which had just unanimously adopted a report that held post-season bowls had no place in college football “because they serve no sound educational ends, and such promotions merely trade upon intercollegiate football for commercial purposes.”

The commercialization—and proliferation of—bowl games, however, had only just begun. After World War II, short-lived bowl games with strange names, and in some cases stranger wintertime locations, began to sprout, including the Great Lakes Bowl in Cleveland, the Raisin Bowl in Fresno, the Salad Bowl in Phoenix, the Cigar Bowl in Tampa and the Camellia Bowl in Lafayette, Louisiana.

After the Associated Press began in 1965 to release its final college football poll after the bowls were played, and not before, the New Year’s Day contests became the venues for crowning a mythical national champion. With the growth in the number of games and the advent of television coverage, bowl directors began to offer the best teams more and more money to appear in their tilts. As bowls spent more money, they required more revenue, and the 1980s saw the arrival of corporate sponsorship. The major New Year’s Day tilts took on corporate title sponsors, giving college football fans the Sunkist Fiesta Bowl, the USF&G Sugar Bowl and the FedEx Orange Bowl. Some game, such as the Blockbuster Bowl and Outback Bowl, gave up all noncommercial pretenses and simply adopted the names of corporations

As fans clamored for college football to institute a playoff to determine its national champion, the bowls resisted changes to the entrenched and lucrative system, but in the 1990s the Rose, Fiesta, Orange and Sugar Bowls did come together to form the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) to match two of the country’s top teams in a single national championship game. The title contest was rotated among the bowls until 2007, when a separate national championship game was established. The creation of the BCS might have brought better matchups on the field, but it also watered down the New Year’s Day football bonanza as BCS games were staged on several nights in early January. This season, Alabama and Notre Dame will play for the national championship on January 7, more than three weeks after the 35-game bowl season kicked off with the Gildan New Mexico and Famous Idaho Potato Bowls. Change is coming following the 2014 season, however, with the launch of a four-team college football playoff. The bowls, though, will still host the semifinal games.

So, reading all that, one has to conclude that FSU started playing football just as interest in bolw games started.

I am glad you FSU fans are proud you have won more bowl games than other programs. It is a legitimate source of pride. But the "hey we have been playing football for 70 years and have just as many if not more bowl wins as other teams that have been playing football for 125 years" is a bit...well..pathetic. Be proud of the bowl wins. No need to embellish them.

Nothing you posted suggests anything except that the teams that have more wins in bowls than FSU all had decades of chances to win bowls before FSU even played a game. How you derive that this fact or our cognizance of it somehow seems pathetic to you baffles me actually.
 
And you realize that they had us down by 13 with approx. 4 mins left to play at home last year, that this year's game is in Knoxville, that the game means absolutely everything to them, and that our qb will be making his first SEC road start in that game, right?

And you aren't even slightly worried?

And last year we were breaking in a brand new offense, a brand new defense (because of which we barely had the base defense installed, and were susceptible to trick plays, which they used for 14 points), and had a QB in his first SEC game ever and third college game ever. The year before we had a true freshman QB come off the bench in the 4th quarter and lead us to a win.

Tell me, why should I be worried?
 
Nothing you posted suggests anything except that the teams that have more wins in bowls than FSU all had decades of chances to win bowls before FSU even played a game. How you derive that this fact or our cognizance of it somehow seems pathetic to you baffles me actually.

I think the point is that there weren't hardly any bowl games available before you ahd a team, so there weren't many opportunities for teams to build up bowl resumes. If there had been 35 bowl games a year in the 40 years prior to your starting out, and you still had more bowl wins than most, that would be an amazing thing. But FSU has really had about the same amount of chances as everybody else at the vast majority of games. So while it is a feather in your cap that you have more bowl wins than most, it's not amazing.
 
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Nothing you posted suggests anything except that the teams that have more wins in bowls than FSU all had decades of chances to win bowls before FSU even played a game. How you derive that this fact or our cognizance of it somehow seems pathetic to you baffles me actually.
Whatever you need to believe to help you sleep at night. Does it come as no small irony that you are arguing this point over on a Gator board?

Bless your little heart.
 
Whatever you need to believe to help you sleep at night. Does it come as no small irony that you are arguing this point over on a Gator board?

Bless your little heart.

It does get tiresome trying to educate you about football. Sure... all teams have an even chance starting out vs teams with a 50 yr. head start if that's how you wish to rationalize it. BTW , you took exception to my response to Insta's claim that FSU played nobody any good.
 
And you realize that they had us down by 13 with approx. 4 mins left to play at home last year, that this year's game is in Knoxville, that the game means absolutely everything to them, and that our qb will be making his first SEC road start in that game, right?

And you aren't even slightly worried?
For sure this is the game that we are all going to circle...offense is going to make or break us this year...seems like the same story over the past 5-7 years...D will be good...hopefully we got a guy that can kick some FG this year...we'll see how it goes. I really have no idea but I'm ready to see it.
 
It does get tiresome trying to educate you about football. Sure... all teams have an even chance starting out vs teams with a 50 yr. head start if that's how you wish to rationalize it. BTW , you took exception to my response to Insta's claim that FSU played nobody any good.
NOLE Fan, you're so "tiresome trying to educate" us all...thanks a lot. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Your team is good an now you're all experts.
 
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