Do we have the best receiving corps in the Nation?

[instaGATOR]

The coaches evals, my own lyin' eyes,,,, ESPN, and then the rest of them.
That's how I rate a recruit on their desirability for a UF ship.

#56 WR/KR Dionte Marks 6-2 178 *** - Deland, FL
(247 #57 WR ***) - (ESPN-44 WR ****)
Offers - UF, MsSt -- Cin, Mar, FAU, FSU, Neb, UCF, WVa
(a way under the radar steal imo)

Rec - 45 for 964 Yds, 21.4 Yds/Rec, 11 TD's as a senior, helping DeLand to an 8-3 record and a berth in the FHSAA Class 8A playoffs... Notched 23 for 444 yards and 7 TD's as a junior, adding 248 yards in KR's to garner second-team All-Area honors... Attended the 2018 U.S. Army National Underclassmen Combine in San Antonio, Texas, where he had a standing broad jump of 11-feet, 3-inches which put him beyond the measuring board... He was also a sprinter and long jumper for Deland’s track and field team...


#72 WR/Buck Ja'Markis Weston 6-3 217 *** - Clewiston, FL
Offers - UF, TN, UK -- BGSU, FAU, U-Mass, PSU, UCF, UL
(247 #69 WR ***) - (ESPN #45 Ath/WR ***)
(a way under the radar steal imo)

Like many 3 star rated Gator recruits before them, I believe that both of those WR's have star potential in the coming years. Their recruiting stars and position ratings notwithstanding....

But for now, unless it's on ST's, I can't see them getting on the field otherwise, because of the talent & experience that's in front of them. They learn the 'Gator Standard' and redshirt, then make their impact next season at WR....

 

[LizardGrad89]

Versus Georgia

Florida

Rec Yds Avg Long TD
16 Freddie Swain
2 38 19.0 36 1
1 Kadarius Toney
3 18 6.0 13 0
8 Trevon Grimes
2 18 9.0 10 0
89 Tyrie Cleveland
2 10 5.0 10 0
10 Josh Hammond
1 7 7.0 7 0
7 Lucas Krull
1 6 6.0 6 0
82 Moral Stephens
1 4 4.0 4 0
25 Jordan Scarlett
1 4 4.0 4 0

We had 8 different guys catch passes that game. I doubt Georgia had 8 different guys catch passes all of last season, and the top 4, the guys who had 95% of the catches, are all gone. All that's left is underachievers and newbies. Teams that can pass defend in man and put 8 in the box will beat UGa. Florida is a team that can do that. There are others.

 

[instaGATOR]

WR's vs DB's -- Gator safeties coach (Ron English), said the stiff competition is making both the receivers and the DB's better. “I told the guys, ‘Look, they’re going to make their plays, we better make ours. We’re the best in the country too, so let’s go out there (and compete)” English said. “It’s a competitive deal. I want to make plays and I want to win the day.”
.https://www.gatorsports.com/2019/08/notebook-receivers-vs-dbs-an-elite-florida-practice-matchup/

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Just a thought...
IF Miller and/or Houston can fill the V.Joseph ILB slot, then Burney can compete with Dean at the Star position. (Huggins is still MIA?)

 

[sadgator]

We had 8 different guys catch passes that game. I doubt Georgia had 8 different guys catch passes all of last season, and the top 4, the guys who had 95% of the catches, are all gone. All that's left is underachievers and newbies. Teams that can pass defend in man and put 8 in the box will beat UGa. Florida is a team that can do that. There are others.

They ain’t gonna throw though...they’re just gonna run behind that line...and then pick their spots...

 

[instaGATOR]

They ain’t gonna throw though...they’re just gonna run behind that line...and then pick their spots...

They're gonna get stuffed when they try to run it, and get knocked down or picked when they try to throw it. They'll be looking at a lot of 3 & outs with their 'dink & dunk' offense...

 

[LizardGrad89]

They ain’t gonna throw though...they’re just gonna run behind that line...and then pick their spots...

Hope they come in with a run the ball mindset. We will put 8 in the box and dare them to throw. But they are old school hard headed, and will think they can just run it against any defense. By the time they figure out the running isn't working like they want, it'll be mid third quarter and we will have 250 yards throwing the ball and a three TD lead.

Watch it happen.

 

[UGAly]

Hope they come in with a run the ball mindset. We will put 8 in the box and dare them to throw. But they are old school hard headed, and will think they can just run it against any defense. By the time they figure out the running isn't working like they want, it'll be mid third quarter and we will have 250 yards throwing the ball and a three TD lead.

Watch it happen.

My guess is that UGA WILL come in with a run first mentality. They feel that they can substitute elite OL and runnig backs liberally toward the goal of wearing your defense down by midway through the third quarter. Jake Fromm is a pretty good passer and he has two 5 star WR's plus some other quality receivers to throw to.. From InstaGator's statistics, it looks like your defensive backs will be formidable. I expect them to "stack the box" to attempt to stop the run. I am confident that our passing game will keep them loose. November 2 will be an exciting game. James Cook may be someone you will have to plan for.

 

[LizardGrad89]

My guess is that UGA WILL come in with a run first mentality. They feel that they can substitute elite OL and runnig backs liberally toward the goal of wearing your defense down by midway through the third quarter. Jake Fromm is a pretty good passer and he has two 5 star WR's plus some other quality receivers to throw to.. From InstaGator's statistics, it looks like your defensive backs will be formidable. I expect them to "stack the box" to attempt to stop the run. I am confident that our passing game will keep them loose. November 2 will be an exciting game. James Cook may be someone you will have to plan for.

Your Wr corp is newbies and underachievers. Deal with the reality.

 

[instaGATOR]

My guess is that UGA WILL come in with a run first mentality.

DE-BUCK Greenard rsSr 6-4 263 - UL G-xfer All ACC, Captain
DT-3 Shuler rsSr 6-4 275 - WVa G-xfer All Big Ten-12
NT Campbell Jr 6-3 304 - 2018 13 Gm starter.
S-DE Zuniga rsSr 6-4 257 - All SEC, Nagurski & Lott W-lists

ILB Reese Sr 6-1 235 - Bednarik & Butkus W-Lists
'Money' LB Burney So 6-2 222 - ligit 4.4/40 speed

Field-CB Henderson Jr 6-1 191 - All SEC, AA
Boundary-CB Wilson rsSo 6-0 190 - All SEC
Star-Nic Dean So 6-3 194 - All SEC

FS
Stiner Jr 6-1 203 or Davis Jr 5-11 202

SS
Taylor Sr 6-1 202 (currently limited due to a shoulder ding)
Stewart Jr 6-1 200 (off the field dildo + a minor ding?)
Lenton rsJr 5-11 205 - 2018 projected starter, (Fall) injured out.

IF the Gator team arrives at the WLOCP healthy, then the mutts are in for a long day at the park,,, and it won't be a walk...

Perfect for 2019? Nope.
Starter and depth questions remain at safety.
Depth is young, mostly rsFr & Fr on the OL.
Means a bit vs Miami, but should be sorted out by UGly.
https://florida.rivals.com/news/gators-offensive-line-depth-coming-along

PS
Every projected starter on the Gator offense is a 4-5th year player.
-----
QB - 3 deep
WR - 8 deep
RB - 5 deep
TE - 5 deep
Lay-O-ded at the skill positions!

 

[UGAly]

Former 5 star Demetris Roberson was a freshman starter at Cal before transferring to UGA. He spent last year getting used to the system andlearning what was expected of him. He is a legitimate deep threat. George Pickens is a 5 star freshman WR who (in practice) is turning heads. Freshman WR Blaylock was just outside the 5 star ranking. We have a cadre of receivers who have waited their turns and are expected to contribute. So, we are deep at receiver. We are three deep at QB. The #2 is more of a game manager but looked really good in the spring game. The RB corps is Swift (considered by many to be the best RB in this league, Brian Herrien (senior who has tons of quality playing time. Would start at many other schools, Former 5 star and #1 RB in the country Zamir White is finally healthy and has teammates raving, Former 5 star James Cool (5 - 11, 190 - speed to burn) will be used at RB plus backfield receiver, Kenny McIntosh (Redshirt freshman 4 star). I don't need to list the elite talent at starter AND back-up at every OL position do I?So, The UGA offensive depth chart is deep as well.

 

[PacoGator19]

Former 5 star Demetris Roberson was a freshman starter at Cal before transferring to UGA. He spent last year getting used to the system andlearning what was expected of him. He is a legitimate deep threat. George Pickens is a 5 star freshman WR who (in practice) is turning heads. Freshman WR Blaylock was just outside the 5 star ranking. We have a cadre of receivers who have waited their turns and are expected to contribute. So, we are deep at receiver. We are three deep at QB. The #2 is more of a game manager but looked really good in the spring game. The RB corps is Swift (considered by many to be the best RB in this league, Brian Herrien (senior who has tons of quality playing time. Would start at many other schools, Former 5 star and #1 RB in the country Zamir White is finally healthy and has teammates raving, Former 5 star James Cool (5 - 11, 190 - speed to burn) will be used at RB plus backfield receiver, Kenny McIntosh (Redshirt freshman 4 star). I don't need to list the elite talent at starter AND back-up at every OL position do I?So, The UGA offensive depth chart is deep as well.

You are 3 deep at QB? Is that a joke or did you say that with a straight face. You can’t be much more of a homer than that.

 

[UGAly]

You are 3 deep at QB? Is that a joke or did you say that with a straight face. You can’t be much more of a homer than that.

Jake Fromm, Stetson Bennett, D'wan Mathis. Bennett is a RS sophomore and Mathis is a true freshman. Hoping to redshirt Mathis. Bennett started at JC last year and then transferred back to UGA. 6'0" 185. Very competent.

 

[oozie7]

Former 5 star Demetris Roberson was a freshman starter at Cal before transferring to UGA. He spent last year getting used to the system andlearning what was expected of him. He is a legitimate deep threat. George Pickens is a 5 star freshman WR who (in practice) is turning heads. Freshman WR Blaylock was just outside the 5 star ranking. We have a cadre of receivers who have waited their turns and are expected to contribute. So, we are deep at receiver. We are three deep at QB. The #2 is more of a game manager but looked really good in the spring game. The RB corps is Swift (considered by many to be the best RB in this league, Brian Herrien (senior who has tons of quality playing time. Would start at many other schools, Former 5 star and #1 RB in the country Zamir White is finally healthy and has teammates raving, Former 5 star James Cool (5 - 11, 190 - speed to burn) will be used at RB plus backfield receiver, Kenny McIntosh (Redshirt freshman 4 star). I don't need to list the elite talent at starter AND back-up at every OL position do I?So, The UGA offensive depth chart is deep as well.

I posted this once before and you conveniently ignored it but your skill guys didn’t lack for talent last year and your passing game was still poor (72nd in the country).

Hardman- 5*
Nauta- 5*
Godwin- 5*
Ridley- 4*
Holloman- 4*

Now all these guys who barely played are going to be better than the guys who were just as highly rated and will all be starting on NFL teams next year. Talent wasn’t and isn’t your problem, it’s your offensive scheme.

 

[instaGATOR]

Heisman winning RB Reggie Bush said that Perine was the 'most versatile' RB in the country for 2019. I don't disagree with him on this...

The Gator receivers don't have potential, they instead have an 8 deep proven record as upperclassmen playing in the SEC.

"Youth and inexperience make the offensive line the biggest question mark on the team heading into the 2019 season."

That's true, however there are 2 possible answers to that question, not just one.

1. The OL starters will under-perform and/or suffer injuries, and the depth behind them won't be able to take up the slack due to their youth and inexperience.

2. The starters will stay healthy and perform well, while the younger players will quickly advance and provide excellent depth in the rotations.

Just me maybe, but I'm going with #2 for my answer....

To have the media-morons, the rival fans, and a few others always advance the #1 answer as a near certainty is just more village idiot BS imo.

Here's my kind of a Gator OL'man:

“I see it as a challenge. Live up to the expectations. You’ve got a great ceiling, you’ve got a great team, you’ve got a lot of different positions that have a lot of experience. So, I see it as a challenge. Every day, step up to the plate and get it done. There are no ifs, ands or buts. We have to get it done. You’ve got a great team, you’ve got a great foundation and you can’t just say, ‘Oh, this one position was holding us back.’ That’s not acceptable. We have to get it done. We have good guys, good skill players and good defensive players all across the board. So, we have to get it done, protect Feleipe (Franks), give him time and do our jobs.” — starting RT Jean Delance

For a better than average read on the OL, go here:
https://www.gatorsports.com/2019/08...line-performs-holds-a-key-to-floridas-season/

Just some thoughts from the iG...

Ended 2017 in a 4-7 total cluster ph....
Dan's Gators began 2018 unranked, projected 6-7 wins.
Ended 2018 at #6 Coaches, 10-3, with a NY-6 Bowl win (+26) over #7 Mich.
Begins 2019 at #8 Coaches, (even so,,, maybe under-rated again).
But it doesn't seem like much of a drop off to me for Dan's 2nd season...

I see the UF vs scUM as a Gator win,,, unless do-do occurs.

I see the UF vs UGly as a 'knock-down drag-out' kind of game, with the winner still in question going into the 4th quarter, with hopefully a different outcome than 2018.

 

[UGAly]

"Versatile" doesn't mean "best"

 

[instaGATOR]

"Versatile" doesn't mean "best"

While 'best' in other opinions doesn't mean squat.

But speaking of versatile, has UGly got anyone like this?
Anyone who's best, is as good as Toney's everyday average?

WR/RB Kadarius Toney 12 Gms, 0 Starts in 2018.
Rushing - 21 for 240 yds, 11.4 ypc, 0 TD's, L-34
Receiving - 25 for 260 yds, 10.4 yds/rec, 1 TD, L-45
Touches 46 for 500 yds, 10.9 Yds/Touch. --- (Harvin 2.0)
~ Projected WR starter in 2019.
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Lamical Perine Sr - 13 Gms, 1 Start - 134 for 826 yds, 6.2 ypc, 7 TD's, L-74
Receiving - 13 for 170 yds, 13.1 Yds/Rec, 1 TD, L-63
Touches - 147 for 996 yds, 6.8 Yda/Touch, 8 TD's = Versatile

Malik Davis rsSo - 3 Gms, 0 Starts, Injured out - Vs UK 4 for 15 yds, Rec 2 for 25 yds.
6 touches for 40 yds, 6.7 Yds/Touch.

Dameon Pierce So - 13 Gms, 0 Starts - 69 for 424 yds, 6.1 ypc, 2 TD's, L-68
Receiving - 5 for 20 yds, 4 Yds/Rec, 1 TD

And by the end of the season, QB Franks had transitioned into a pretty good runner.
Vs #7 Mich's #1 Def in the Peach Bowl - 14 for 74 yds, 5.3 ypc, 1 TD.

RB/FS Iverson Clement rsFr **** (mostly backup FS, 4 for 17 yds)
RB/KR Nay'Quan Wright incoming Fr **** (HS 10+ ypc)

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I'm not trading my group for anyone else's in the nation.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Former 5 star Demetris Roberson was a freshman starter at Cal before transferring to UGA. He spent last year getting used to the system andlearning what was expected of him. He is a legitimate deep threat. George Pickens is a 5 star freshman WR who (in practice) is turning heads. Freshman WR Blaylock was just outside the 5 star ranking. We have a cadre of receivers who have waited their turns and are expected to contribute. So, we are deep at receiver. We are three deep at QB. The #2 is more of a game manager but looked really good in the spring game. The RB corps is Swift (considered by many to be the best RB in this league, Brian Herrien (senior who has tons of quality playing time. Would start at many other schools, Former 5 star and #1 RB in the country Zamir White is finally healthy and has teammates raving, Former 5 star James Cool (5 - 11, 190 - speed to burn) will be used at RB plus backfield receiver, Kenny McIntosh (Redshirt freshman 4 star). I don't need to list the elite talent at starter AND back-up at every OL position do I?So, The UGA offensive depth chart is deep as well.

So I tell you your WR corps is newbies and underachievers and you respond with a long post about the fact you have newbies? Um, yeah, I know.

Honest to God, don't post again about how these guys with zero experience look really good running down and ins against AIR. It's ludicrous.

And LOL about the JC transfer that is your backup QB. If you lose Fromm we may shut you out.

 

[PacoGator19]

So I tell you your WR corps is newbies and underachievers and you respond with a long post about the fact you have newbies? Um, yeah, I know.

Honest to God, don't post again about how these guys with zero experience look really good running down and ins against AIR. It's ludicrous.

And LOL about the JC transfer that is your backup QB. If you lose Fromm we may shut you out.

They have 3 QBs on the roster so they are 3 deep!! LOL

 

[LizardGrad89]

They have 3 QBs on the roster so they are 3 deep!! LOL

Yeah, doesn't matter that the 5 star backup left because they are a bunch of racist idiots up there. Everybody is a 5 star or mislabeled in Athens, so this JC transfer? Mislabeled 5 star.

(I actually blame Fields. It's Georgia. Land of the racist idiots. It would be like transferring out of Oz because you hate munchkins. Kinda shoulda known the place was full of munchkins beforehand.)

 

[superdawg51]

We had 8 different guys catch passes that game. I doubt Georgia had 8 different guys catch passes all of last season, and the top 4, the guys who had 95% of the catches, are all gone. All that's left is underachievers and newbies. Teams that can pass defend in man and put 8 in the box will beat UGa. Florida is a team that can do that. There are others.

Yes I know. Coley has all but abandoned the forward pass. I'll call your bluff and say Uga is going to whip you man to man with whatever fn front Grantham wants to run. It will be ugly for you...........and painful.

 

[fsumc]

James Coley LOL! You dogs are in for a treat.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Yes I know. Coley has all but abandoned the forward pass. I'll call your bluff and say Uga is going to whip you man to man with whatever fn front Grantham wants to run. It will be ugly for you...........and painful.

5 can't block 8. You heard it here first.

 

[Gator Fever]

I posted this once before and you conveniently ignored it but your skill guys didn’t lack for talent last year and your passing game was still poor (72nd in the country).

Hardman- 5*
Nauta- 5*
Godwin- 5*
Ridley- 4*
Holloman- 4*

Now all these guys who barely played are going to be better than the guys who were just as highly rated and will all be starting on NFL teams next year. Talent wasn’t and isn’t your problem, it’s your offensive scheme.

Nope Frank's is why the 2nd best WR group in the SEC won't have big numbers imo. Prescott threw for 4000 yards one year I think with average level receivers because teams defended the run so much against them. Maybe a basic passing scheme but can put up numbers

 

[Dannygator1989]

Nope Frank's is why the 2nd best WR group in the SEC won't have big numbers imo. Prescott threw for 4000 yards one year I think with average level receivers because teams defended the run so much against them. Maybe a basic passing scheme but can put up numbers

Lol okay. Do you watch the games?

Mullen has Franks running a lot more later in the season.

But....sure. No possibility of the the QB running.

Lord you're the worst.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yes I know. Coley has all but abandoned the forward pass. I'll call your bluff and say Uga is going to whip you man to man with whatever fn front Grantham wants to run. It will be ugly for you...........and painful.

Coley sucks! LOL

 

[oozie7]

Nope Frank's is why the 2nd best WR group in the SEC won't have big numbers imo. Prescott threw for 4000 yards one year I think with average level receivers because teams defended the run so much against them. Maybe a basic passing scheme but can put up numbers

Huh? What does that have to do with my post?

 

[instaGATOR]

Nope Frank's is why the 2nd best WR group in the SEC won't have big numbers imo. Prescott threw for 4000 yards one year I think with average level receivers because teams defended the run so much against them. Maybe a basic passing scheme but can put up numbers

And as usual, you do your strange impression of thinking with your always 'fevered brain.'

Here's the real reason that no single receiver will have big numbers:

21 Players with a reception,
16 with multiple receptions,
8 with 10+ receptions.
There were 11 with TD receptions,
and 9 with 100+ receiving Yds,
Depth, diversity, production, but the #1 only had 503 receiving yards

That, along with Dan's balanced run/pass offense keeps down individual numbers in favor of overall team success.

2018 Team 2,776 Yards, 28 TD's, 6 Ints. A 4.7 to 1 TD/Int Ratio.
Rushing 2,771 Yards, 23 TD's with zero 1,000 yard runners in the committee.

 

[instaGATOR]

bump due to da chumps....

 

[UGAly]

Good job with the information about the Gators and their depth chart. I am obviously more optimistic than you gentlemen about; UGA's superior depth, (at every position), UGA's overwhelming superiority on the offensive line, (second string is better than your starters), UGA's receivers, (you dispagage their inexperience but look at what Alabama did a couple years ago with a corps of freshmen), QB (Find me one analyst that thinks your guy is better than Jake Fromm), RB (Find me one analyst that thinks any of your RB's are better than D'Andre Swift or Zamir White.) UGA's defensive backfield, (Georgia is loaded with elite corners and safeties and is DEEP, which is something you cannot say) Linebackers and defensive linemen, (I can say with the utmost confidence that I would put our guys up against Alabama's - and will do so in December) This paragraph wasn't meant as a "F you". You've spent a lot of time telling me how talented your team is. My response is to say that I recognize that your starting 22 is pretty good but I am confident that my favorite team is better and it is CERTAINLY deeper. There's a reason why Georgia is the early 7.5 point favorite. You have to go to LSU and host Auburn two weeks prior to our game. I think your lack of depth will become a factor.

 

[Gator Fever]

Lol okay. Do you watch the games?

Mullen has Franks running a lot more later in the season.

But....sure. No possibility of the the QB running.

Lord you're the worst.

The main change was we ran more (including Franks) and speeded things up. By letting Franks pass less % wise we improved on offense some. I think he limited the passing to like 35% or so of plays against FSU and them. Franks can run a little but he isn't close to what Mullen wants there in reality.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Good job with the information about the Gators and their depth chart. I am obviously more optimistic than you gentlemen about; UGA's superior depth, (at every position), UGA's overwhelming superiority on the offensive line, (second string is better than your starters), UGA's receivers, (you dispagage their inexperience but look at what Alabama did a couple years ago with a corps of freshmen), QB (Find me one analyst that thinks your guy is better than Jake Fromm), RB (Find me one analyst that thinks any of your RB's are better than D'Andre Swift or Zamir White.) UGA's defensive backfield, (Georgia is loaded with elite corners and safeties and is DEEP, which is something you cannot say) Linebackers and defensive linemen, (I can say with the utmost confidence that I would put our guys up against Alabama's - and will do so in December) This paragraph wasn't meant as a "F you". You've spent a lot of time telling me how talented your team is. My response is to say that I recognize that your starting 22 is pretty good but I am confident that my favorite team is better and it is CERTAINLY deeper. There's a reason why Georgia is the early 7.5 point favorite. You have to go to LSU and host Auburn two weeks prior to our game. I think your lack of depth will become a factor.

If your defensive backfield is so loaded, why is it not considered top 10 by Lindys?

See, you have very tinted glasses, but we will clear things up for you Nov 2nd.

 

[instaGATOR]

Good job with the information about the Gators and their depth chart. I am obviously more optimistic than you gentlemen about; UGA's superior depth, (at every position), .

And yet....

Ist year Dan takes a 4-7 cluster team and goes 10-3
3rd year 4th&Dumb takes a 13-2 team with 2 #1 recruiting classes & goes 11-3

Franks/UF 27 - 19 LSU (+8)
-- 1 week later --
LSU 36 - 16 Froooom/UGly (-20)

UF goes 4-0 to finish the 2018 season with a 41 - 15 win over #7 Mich.
UGly goes 0-2 to finish the 2018 season with a 21-28 loss to #15 Texazz.

6. UF Coaches - t7 media-morons - Average 6.5
8 UGly Coaches - t7 media-morons - Average 7.5

Looking at 2018 as a whole, I'm liking my guys (players & coaches) better than yours.

PS
We now have Torrian Gray back (and Elam), while you've got Warren.....