Do we have the best receiving corps in the Nation?
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Our WR core is loaded. There ain’t many out there that is better that is for sure. Van Jefferson, Grimes, Cleveland, Toney. Be on the look out for Copeland
Where do you think our passing game will land in the stats? I think it will improve some due to a dropoff in the runnIng game probably but think it will still be pretty pedestrian despite the talent at WR.
We have tons of depth at the receiver spot. Bama has ridiculous depth. Clemson's are good, but they may be a product of their QB. That kid is probably the best player in the country.
We aren’t going to pass the ball a ton. We never will under Mullen. We will be efficient passing the ball though. We are loaded at RB and Franks is going to run a lot as well. It defends on the oline obviously.
Depends who is at QB also. Mullen's teams passed for over 3,600 yards and over 4,100 yards in 2014 and 2015 with less talented WRs. No WR was even drafted from those teams.
Uhhhh..... 5* Tee Higgins, 5* Justyn Ross, 5* Joe Ngata, high 4* Frank Ladson, all above 6'3 and can run....not to mention having my friend's son 5* Derion Kendrick who they had the luxury of moving to cornerback could also play WR for them this year also. Trevor is Dope, but I also consider him to have an outstanding supporting cast.
In terms of talent at the top I’d go:
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. OU
After that you have a couple of teams like LSU in the mix just talking raw talent. Top to bottom we’re in the mix though. I think we have about 5-6 guys who will play in the NFL for a while. Might not be reflected in the numbers though because we’re not a heavy passing team.
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. OU
After that you have a couple of teams like LSU in the mix just talking raw talent. Top to bottom we’re in the mix though. I think we have about 5-6 guys who will play in the NFL for a while. Might not be reflected in the numbers though because we’re not a heavy passing team.
2018 Florida
Player Statistics REC YDS AVG LNG TD
V. Jefferson WR---31 439 14.2 39 6
T. Grimes WR------25 366 14.6 54 2
J. HammondWR---26 308 11.8 49 4
F. Swain WR--------14 265 18.9 65 5
K. Toney RB---------24 260 10.8 45 1
T. Cleveland WR----18 212 11.8 38 3
Player Statistics REC YDS AVG LNG TD
L. Krull TE------------6 75 12.5 30 0
K. Pitts TE------------3 73 24.3 52 1
K. Gamble TE-------7 58 8.3 13 0
L. Perine RB---------9 148 16.4 63 0
M. Davis RB---------3 33 11.0 19 0
D. Pierce RB--------5 20 4.0 9 1
J. Copeland WR---1 16 16.0 16 0
F. Franks QB-------1 15 15.0 15 0
In order for those numbers (above) to improve, Franks needs to complete more passes to all of his receivers than last year and/or get even more big plays out of the receivers/TE's. Franks completion percentage needs to be around 65% (last year it was 58%). Florida has a lot of good WR targets in Jefferson, Hammond, Grimes, Toney, Cleveland and Swain. Last season, Swain & Jefferson have been the biggest play-makers at wideout in scoring the most touchdowns. The TE-game (of Krull/Gamble/Pitts) needs to be utilized more often - Kyle Pitts appears to be the biggest play-maker at Tight-End averaging 24 y/catch; Swain also averaged 18.9 y/catch at WR.
If Florida wants to have another 1000+-yard receiver or at least have one around 800-yardish, one of them needs to catch at least 40 passes next year - this averages to about 3-4 receptions per game.
Who was Florida's last 1000-yard receiver?
Percy Harvin? Andre Caldwell? Dallas Baker?
Answer: Taylor Jacobs (2002: 71 1088; 15.3, 8 TD)
In 2001, it was Jabbar Gaffney (67 1191; 17.8, 13 TD) & Reche Caldwell (65 1059; 16.3, 10 TD)
So far, of all the coaches that had followed Steve Spurrier, only Ron Zook had a 1000+ receiver in one of his teams.
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Here are Florida's stats compared to Georgia & Alabama (the two top SEC teams that UF needs to beat):
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/57
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/61
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333
The rushing stats of Florida (2500, 20 TD) are comparable to Alabama's (2600, 31 TD) and Georgia's (3270, 30 TD) in terms of total yardage but those two teams scored about 10 more rushing TDs than the Gators last year.
As for the passing game, Georgia's passing stats are about 12% better than Florida's while Alabama's passing production was Wuerffel-esque or Grossman-eque (40% better than UF's); although, Alabama played in fifteen games compared to Florida's thirteen games and Georgia's fourteen games. Alabama's four receivers and one TE all averaged between 17-19 y/catch and had between 30-40 catches each - Jeudy (59 catches, 1100, 12 TD) was their all-conference receiver.
Passing stats of UF, UGA, UA:
Florida (203/340 2600 59.7%; 27 TD/6 Int, sacked 18x)
Georgia (221/322 2950 68%; 31 TD/5 Int, sacked 18x)
Alabama (254/374 4231 68%; 46 TD/6 Int, sacked 13x)
Franks (175/299 2450 58%, 24 TD/6 Int, sacked 15x)
Fromm (186/272 2537 68%, 27 TD/5Int, sacked 14x)
Tua T. (199/294 3353 67%, 37 TD/4Int, sacked 11x)
As you can see when comparing these three quarterbacks, they have all thrown about the same number of passes:
- Franks threw for the most number of passes (299);
- Fromm threw for the least number of passes (272);
- Tagovailoa completed the most number of passes (199/294) while also having more big plays downfield and significantly more passing TD's (37 TDs) overall.
Player Statistics REC YDS AVG LNG TD
V. Jefferson WR---31 439 14.2 39 6
T. Grimes WR------25 366 14.6 54 2
J. HammondWR---26 308 11.8 49 4
F. Swain WR--------14 265 18.9 65 5
K. Toney RB---------24 260 10.8 45 1
T. Cleveland WR----18 212 11.8 38 3
Player Statistics REC YDS AVG LNG TD
L. Krull TE------------6 75 12.5 30 0
K. Pitts TE------------3 73 24.3 52 1
K. Gamble TE-------7 58 8.3 13 0
L. Perine RB---------9 148 16.4 63 0
M. Davis RB---------3 33 11.0 19 0
D. Pierce RB--------5 20 4.0 9 1
J. Copeland WR---1 16 16.0 16 0
F. Franks QB-------1 15 15.0 15 0
In order for those numbers (above) to improve, Franks needs to complete more passes to all of his receivers than last year and/or get even more big plays out of the receivers/TE's. Franks completion percentage needs to be around 65% (last year it was 58%). Florida has a lot of good WR targets in Jefferson, Hammond, Grimes, Toney, Cleveland and Swain. Last season, Swain & Jefferson have been the biggest play-makers at wideout in scoring the most touchdowns. The TE-game (of Krull/Gamble/Pitts) needs to be utilized more often - Kyle Pitts appears to be the biggest play-maker at Tight-End averaging 24 y/catch; Swain also averaged 18.9 y/catch at WR.
If Florida wants to have another 1000+-yard receiver or at least have one around 800-yardish, one of them needs to catch at least 40 passes next year - this averages to about 3-4 receptions per game.
Who was Florida's last 1000-yard receiver?
Percy Harvin? Andre Caldwell? Dallas Baker?
Answer: Taylor Jacobs (2002: 71 1088; 15.3, 8 TD)
In 2001, it was Jabbar Gaffney (67 1191; 17.8, 13 TD) & Reche Caldwell (65 1059; 16.3, 10 TD)
So far, of all the coaches that had followed Steve Spurrier, only Ron Zook had a 1000+ receiver in one of his teams.
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Here are Florida's stats compared to Georgia & Alabama (the two top SEC teams that UF needs to beat):
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/57
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/61
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333
The rushing stats of Florida (2500, 20 TD) are comparable to Alabama's (2600, 31 TD) and Georgia's (3270, 30 TD) in terms of total yardage but those two teams scored about 10 more rushing TDs than the Gators last year.
As for the passing game, Georgia's passing stats are about 12% better than Florida's while Alabama's passing production was Wuerffel-esque or Grossman-eque (40% better than UF's); although, Alabama played in fifteen games compared to Florida's thirteen games and Georgia's fourteen games. Alabama's four receivers and one TE all averaged between 17-19 y/catch and had between 30-40 catches each - Jeudy (59 catches, 1100, 12 TD) was their all-conference receiver.
Passing stats of UF, UGA, UA:
Florida (203/340 2600 59.7%; 27 TD/6 Int, sacked 18x)
Georgia (221/322 2950 68%; 31 TD/5 Int, sacked 18x)
Alabama (254/374 4231 68%; 46 TD/6 Int, sacked 13x)
Franks (175/299 2450 58%, 24 TD/6 Int, sacked 15x)
Fromm (186/272 2537 68%, 27 TD/5Int, sacked 14x)
Tua T. (199/294 3353 67%, 37 TD/4Int, sacked 11x)
As you can see when comparing these three quarterbacks, they have all thrown about the same number of passes:
- Franks threw for the most number of passes (299);
- Fromm threw for the least number of passes (272);
- Tagovailoa completed the most number of passes (199/294) while also having more big plays downfield and significantly more passing TD's (37 TDs) overall.
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Grerat stuff rd, thanks... 
As to the best WR corp? UF has one of the best in the Nation
Top 10 for sure.
Top 5 likely.
Top 3 maybe.
#1 We'll see, but unlikely.
JMOHO's as always.
As to the best WR corp? UF has one of the best in the Nation
Top 10 for sure.
Top 5 likely.
Top 3 maybe.
#1 We'll see, but unlikely.
JMOHO's as always.
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Meyer had three 900 plus yards receivers however. Robinson and Callaway are the only receivers since after Zook's years to have pretty big numbers.
I doubt we get a 1,000 yard receiver this season but the overall numbers should be higher as I think we may have to pass it more this season with the new O line..
Like I said, you guys are good, but again it helps when you have the best QB spinning he ball.
Whoa Buddy....I'm a Gator to the core. I just don't have a blind eye to the other teams with talented and deep receiving rosters. Only time will tell, but the three 5* WRs that Oklahoma brought in this 2019 class on top of who they've already had on campus makes them a legitimate top 3 unit. As far as depth and talent goes, I think we (UF) is a legitimate top 5 unit, which is pretty damn good IMO.
I can't remember the name of Clemson's freshman WR, but he almost single handedly shredded that entire Bama secondary. If that's Trevor I'm thinking about, he is dope.
WR's -- Ht - Exp - Stars -- 13 Deep
1 5 star, 10 4 stars, 2 under-rated 3 stars.
6 are between 6-2 and 6-6
7 are upperclassmen.
And they will be in their 2nd season with OC/WR's BillyG and in Dan's offense.
Pitts - 6-6 - So - 4
Grimes 6-5 - Jr - 5
Weston 6-3 - Fr - 4
Whittenmore 6-3 - Fr - 4 (FS/WR)
Jefferson 6-2 rsSr - 4
Cleveland 6-2 - Sr - 4
A.Henderson 6-2 - Fr - 4
Hammond 6-0 - Sr - 4
Swain 6-0 - Sr - 4
Wells 6-0 - rsJr - 4
Copeland 6-0 - rsFr - 4
Toney 5-11 - Jr - 3 (Human Joy-Stick)
Marks 5-11 - Fr - 3 (KR)
Now include 4 TE's and 5 RB's to that receivers list.
While I don't know who's the best, I'm certain-sure that they are good enough...
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1 5 star, 10 4 stars, 2 under-rated 3 stars.
6 are between 6-2 and 6-6
7 are upperclassmen.
And they will be in their 2nd season with OC/WR's BillyG and in Dan's offense.
Pitts - 6-6 - So - 4
Grimes 6-5 - Jr - 5
Weston 6-3 - Fr - 4
Whittenmore 6-3 - Fr - 4 (FS/WR)
Jefferson 6-2 rsSr - 4
Cleveland 6-2 - Sr - 4
A.Henderson 6-2 - Fr - 4
Hammond 6-0 - Sr - 4
Swain 6-0 - Sr - 4
Wells 6-0 - rsJr - 4
Copeland 6-0 - rsFr - 4
Toney 5-11 - Jr - 3 (Human Joy-Stick)
Marks 5-11 - Fr - 3 (KR)
Now include 4 TE's and 5 RB's to that receivers list.
While I don't know who's the best, I'm certain-sure that they are good enough...
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Just killin' some more time until Fall practice begins...
How the WR's shake out,,, 6 deep in the primary rotation, 4 Sr's, 2 jr's.
1. Van Jefferson 6-2 197 rsSr - 35 for 503 Yds, 6 TD's.
He had only ONE drop on the season, while being as smooth as warm butter.
2. Josh Hammond 6-0 194 Sr - 28 for 369 yds, 4 TD's
He had ZERO drops on the season, while making some spectacular catches.
3. Trevon Grimes 6-5 210 Jr - 26 for 364 Yds, 2 TD's.
A tOSU xfer that was coming on in the 2nd half of 2018.
4. Freddie Swain 6-0 199 Sr (slot-WR/PR)
Rec - 14 for 265 Yds, 18.9 Yds/Rec, 5 TD's
PR - 22 for 224 Yds, 10.2 Yd/Ret, with an 85 Yd TD return.
He had the best TD per Reception ratiio, 5/14 = A TD per 2.8 Rec
One of 8 FBS players with a PR TD and receiving TD of 65-plus yards
5. Tyree Cleveland 6-2 206 Sr - 18 for 212 Yds, 3 TD's.
Deep speed at receiver and at gunner on ST's punt coverage with 5 Tkls.
6. WR/Slot Kadarius Toney 5-11 190 Jr
Little Harvin - Rush 11.4 YPC - Rec 10.4 Yds/Rec
QB-wc - Double pass TD pass to TE Stephens to beat MsSt.
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For the Bonus Backup Round you have these.:
Rick Wells 6-0 202 rsJr - 1 for 6 Yds and ST's.
WR/TE Kyle Pitts 6-6 246 Soph - 3 for 73 Yds, 1 TD
With good speed for his size and great hands.
WR/Slot Jacob Copeland 6-0 198 rsFr - Rec - 1 for 16 yds.
KR - 1 for 26 Yds - Another potential Harvin type when healthy.
Fr - Slowed by a nagging pulled thigh muscle in 2018 and this Spring.
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Likely Co-starter TE's:
Lucas Krull 6-6 255 rsJr
Kemore Gamble 6-3 246 rsSo will battle for starting TE, but both will play.
2018 They combined for - 16 for 206 Yds, 1 TD.
Backup TE's working tor playing time:
Dante Lang 6-5 253 rsFr
Keon Zipperer 6-2 242 Fr
Could move into the playing rotation, but limited likely redshirts:
WR/FS Trent Whittemore 6-3 187 Fr - HS Ath-QB-WR-DB
WR Ja'Markis Weston 6-3 212 Fr - Raw but with star potential.
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The 1st 3 RB's (Perine-Davis-Pierce)
All are all excellent receivers coming out of the backfield.
Iverson rsFr and Wright Fr are not far behind.
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How the WR's shake out,,, 6 deep in the primary rotation, 4 Sr's, 2 jr's.
1. Van Jefferson 6-2 197 rsSr - 35 for 503 Yds, 6 TD's.
He had only ONE drop on the season, while being as smooth as warm butter.
2. Josh Hammond 6-0 194 Sr - 28 for 369 yds, 4 TD's
He had ZERO drops on the season, while making some spectacular catches.
3. Trevon Grimes 6-5 210 Jr - 26 for 364 Yds, 2 TD's.
A tOSU xfer that was coming on in the 2nd half of 2018.
4. Freddie Swain 6-0 199 Sr (slot-WR/PR)
Rec - 14 for 265 Yds, 18.9 Yds/Rec, 5 TD's
PR - 22 for 224 Yds, 10.2 Yd/Ret, with an 85 Yd TD return.
He had the best TD per Reception ratiio, 5/14 = A TD per 2.8 Rec
One of 8 FBS players with a PR TD and receiving TD of 65-plus yards
5. Tyree Cleveland 6-2 206 Sr - 18 for 212 Yds, 3 TD's.
Deep speed at receiver and at gunner on ST's punt coverage with 5 Tkls.
6. WR/Slot Kadarius Toney 5-11 190 Jr
Little Harvin - Rush 11.4 YPC - Rec 10.4 Yds/Rec
QB-wc - Double pass TD pass to TE Stephens to beat MsSt.
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For the Bonus Backup Round you have these.:
Rick Wells 6-0 202 rsJr - 1 for 6 Yds and ST's.
WR/TE Kyle Pitts 6-6 246 Soph - 3 for 73 Yds, 1 TD
With good speed for his size and great hands.
WR/Slot Jacob Copeland 6-0 198 rsFr - Rec - 1 for 16 yds.
KR - 1 for 26 Yds - Another potential Harvin type when healthy.
Fr - Slowed by a nagging pulled thigh muscle in 2018 and this Spring.
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Likely Co-starter TE's:
Lucas Krull 6-6 255 rsJr
Kemore Gamble 6-3 246 rsSo will battle for starting TE, but both will play.
2018 They combined for - 16 for 206 Yds, 1 TD.
Backup TE's working tor playing time:
Dante Lang 6-5 253 rsFr
Keon Zipperer 6-2 242 Fr
Could move into the playing rotation, but limited likely redshirts:
WR/FS Trent Whittemore 6-3 187 Fr - HS Ath-QB-WR-DB
WR Ja'Markis Weston 6-3 212 Fr - Raw but with star potential.
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The 1st 3 RB's (Perine-Davis-Pierce)
All are all excellent receivers coming out of the backfield.
Iverson rsFr and Wright Fr are not far behind.
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“I’m excited about the guys we’ve got,” Smart said at SEC Media Days. “I don’t know that you need to have A 900-yard (receiving) guy, but you better have two or three 800-yard guys, and you need to have the ability to disperse the ball.” (those 2-3 800 yard guys would produce 1,600 to 2,400 receiving yards)
So, what do the Gator's have for 2019?
2018 Team 2,776 Yards, 28 TD's, 6 Ints. A 4.7 to 1 TD/Int Ratio.
21 Players with a reception,
16 with multiple receptions,
8 with 10+ receptions.
There were 11 with TD receptions,
and 9 with 100+ receiving Yds,
Depth, diversity, production, but the #1 only had 503 receiving yards, so 4th and dumb is wrong about that, (2-3 800's).
2019 Only lost 3 TE's 2 WR's and 1 RB, for 41 of 217 receptions combined, Only 1 TE and the RB were starters (19 Rec's).
"The Bulldogs are going to spread it around in Coley's pro-style look and should go five to six players deep at the position."
The Gators are much deeper with twice the spread of receivers.
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So, what do the Gator's have for 2019?
2018 Team 2,776 Yards, 28 TD's, 6 Ints. A 4.7 to 1 TD/Int Ratio.
21 Players with a reception,
16 with multiple receptions,
8 with 10+ receptions.
There were 11 with TD receptions,
and 9 with 100+ receiving Yds,
Depth, diversity, production, but the #1 only had 503 receiving yards, so 4th and dumb is wrong about that, (2-3 800's).
2019 Only lost 3 TE's 2 WR's and 1 RB, for 41 of 217 receptions combined, Only 1 TE and the RB were starters (19 Rec's).
"The Bulldogs are going to spread it around in Coley's pro-style look and should go five to six players deep at the position."
The Gators are much deeper with twice the spread of receivers.
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Georgia has almost nothing coming back at receiver for 2019 but that is one of the positions if there is talent they come up to speed pretty quick if a QB can get them the ball.
Fromm is legit and can make some throws few in college can - he'll make them look good until they figure it out. Plus Kirby can always play run control-out talent you ball for most of the year. That's not a knock - in fact he may well prefer it.
Florida / Dan ran it 59% of the time.
The Committee RB's put up 2,271 net yards with 23 TD's, at 5.3 ypc.
2018 UF and UGly both averaged 4.6 ypc in their game.
Franks went from the #12 SEC QB, to the #4 SEC QB, and he continues to improve.
12-13 WR's, 7 are upperclassmen.
5 RB's, all are 4 stars and excellent receivers.
4-5 TE's -- depending if you count Pitts as a WR or a TE?
"The only thing possibly keeping Jefferson from hitting 700-800 yards and 10 touchdowns is the depth of the receiver group and the staff that tends to spread the wealth to keep everyone fresh on the field." -- Swamp 247
The huge positive imoho, are the attitudes of all the players, offense and defense, that are totally willing to share the playing time with their teammates.
That is how Championship Teams are made.
The huge positive imoho, are the attitudes of all the players, offense and defense, that are totally willing to share the playing time with their teammates.
That is how Championship Teams are made.
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For how young they were they did pretty good. We played them tough however in the running game. Georgia's O line is better than Bama's O line for 2019 I would say going into the season.
Do we have the best receiving corps in the Nation?
First off, BEST is a subjective opinion, not a fact.
Opinions are neither right nor wrong, just different, so a Yes or No answer is pretty useless.
However, as a 'time waster' during 'talking season,' it's a good question I guess...
2. Receiving Corp, is not necessarily having a great individual receiver.
It would include any offensive player with a reception.
The only relevant stats would be 'TEAM' receptions per attempts, Yds, TD's ect.
3. Stats will vary greatly from team to team due to differences in system and play calling.
Also, a great receiver group with a chitty QB-Coach-System, etc. will skew results/stats.
4. Define 'Best' with all of it's categories for the entire receiver corps....
5. Or any other items not listed by me....
(did I kill enough time with that post?)
First off, BEST is a subjective opinion, not a fact.
Opinions are neither right nor wrong, just different, so a Yes or No answer is pretty useless.
However, as a 'time waster' during 'talking season,' it's a good question I guess...
2. Receiving Corp, is not necessarily having a great individual receiver.
It would include any offensive player with a reception.
The only relevant stats would be 'TEAM' receptions per attempts, Yds, TD's ect.
3. Stats will vary greatly from team to team due to differences in system and play calling.
Also, a great receiver group with a chitty QB-Coach-System, etc. will skew results/stats.
4. Define 'Best' with all of it's categories for the entire receiver corps....
5. Or any other items not listed by me....
(did I kill enough time with that post?)
You could have just said “yes.”Do we have the best receiving corps in the Nation?
First off, BEST is a subjective opinion, not a fact.
Opinions are neither right nor wrong, just different, so a Yes or No answer is pretty useless.
However, as a 'time waster' during 'talking season,' it's a good question I guess...
2. Receiving Corp, is not necessarily having a great individual receiver.
It would include any offensive player with a reception.
The only relevant stats would be 'TEAM' receptions per attempts, Yds, TD's ect.
3. Stats will vary greatly from team to team due to differences in system and play calling.
Also, a great receiver group with a chitty QB-Coach-System, etc. will skew results/stats.
4. Define 'Best' with all of it's categories for the entire receiver corps....
5. Or any other items not listed by me....
(did I kill enough time with that post?)
