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Defund Police: dims revisionist history

By jove, I think he's getting warmer!! Without more funding overall, reallocation is a cut in services......which is again the original call to action......Defund the PoPo by the left. 😂
No, giving you money but helping you use it more is not defunding. Like I said earlier, the GOP is on board with reform and reallocation. They are literally negotiating that now.
 
You're trying to tell me everyone that uses drugs steals from other people?

To quote the Vegetable in Chief, "C'mon man."

No, that wasn't my intent.

But yes, drug addicts often steal to support their habit. Most people have probably had something stolen from them by a drug addict if they don't live in the sticks. I certainly have, several times in fact.

I personally don't believe that we have enough jail/prison space. I can certainly get behind spending less money per incarnation however.
 
No, giving you money but helping you use it more is not defunding. Like I said earlier, the GOP is on board with reform and reallocation. They are literally negotiating that now.
You keep using a word you don't understand. Money is going to have to come from other sources to divert disaster.

Denver cut its police department budget by $25 million, at a similar proportion to other departments, because of the pandemic. The city has also been able to prioritize investing in police alternatives with money from ballot initiatives, including a pilot program for a roving mental health response team and a co-responder program for riskier mental health calls.

This is not an ‘or.’ This is not, ‘fund the police department or fund mental health.’ It is an ‘and,’” said Denver Police Chief Paul Pazen. “Taking from one and assuming that that’s going to solve issues is not the answer from my perspective.”

Much of the money spent by cities on police is on the officers themselves,
so when budgets go up—as they have consistently in the years after the 2008 recession—it means that departments and officer salaries are growing. In cases where cities have been reducing police spending, it has often meant they are letting vacancies go unfilled, cutting officers or allowing retirements to happen without replacements.

 
No, that wasn't my intent.

But yes, drug addicts often steal to support their habit. Most people have probably had something stolen from them by a drug addict if they don't live in the sticks. I certainly have, several times in fact.

I personally don't believe that we have enough jail/prison space. I can certainly get behind spending less money per incarnation however.
Yes, they often do. And the reason for that is drugs are expensive. And they are expensive because the dealer takes a risk to run his business.

I'm not suggesting legalizing all drugs. Coke, crack, PCP, and bath salts for instance, cause people to do some really violent shit. MDMA or weed on the other hand just make people happy, sleepy and hungry. So legalize the drugs that don't hurt anyone, tax them, and put that money into rehab for the hard drug users. It works very well in Europe.

Turns out if you give heroin addicts methadone every day they don't bother anyone by panhandling, leaving dirty needles around, using public space as their own personal restrooms, etc.

As you might have surmised I have a very broad libertarian streak where drugs are concerned.

EDIT: completely forgot about Meth. Meth and everyone involved in it is dangerous.
 
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Yes, they often do. And the reason for that is drugs are expensive. And they are expensive because the dealer takes a risk to run his business.

I'm not suggesting legalizing all drugs. Cole, crack, PCP, and bath salts for instance, cause people to do some really violent shit. MDMA or weed on the other hand just make people happy, sleepy and hungry. So legalize the drugs that don't hurt anyone, tax them, and put that money into rehab for the hard drug users. It works very well in Europe.

Turns out if you give heroin addicts methadone every day they don't bother anyone by panhandling, leaving dirty needles around, using public space as their own personal restrooms, etc.

As you might have surmised I have a very broad libertarian streak where drugs are concerned.

Yea, we've had very different experiences. The methadone and suboxone clinics are a disaster.

And there's a whole host of other issues that we'll run into with more legal intoxicants. We may as well take the edge off weed (ticket in public) because, like alcohol in the 20's, it so prevalent but beyond weed it's a hard no from me.
 
Yea, we've had very different experiences. The methadone and suboxone clinics are a disaster.

And there's a whole host of other issues that we'll run into with more legal intoxicants. We may as well take the edge off weed (ticket in public) because, like alcohol in the 20's, it so prevalent but beyond weed it's a hard no from me.
Enforcing weed laws is just plain dumb to me, it is about the same importance as busting Ernest T Bass's shine stills (Andy Griffith Show) in backwoods Carolina. Meh. It's actually cheaper (just like shine) to buy black market than the taxed stuff. How do we impose criminal penalties for the same substance most state governments are eventually going to sanction?

Treat underage usage with the same guidelines as alcohol, which isn't that vigilant unless involving a vehicle. Opiates like Fentanyl, crack cocaine, and now crystal meth are the new heroin. Nasty stuff and dangerous to both users and their interactions with the public.
 
Why would I call out @BamaFan1137 ? He is solid, and forthcoming with who he is.

Same for @EvilWayz
I'm definitely pro cop. That being said, seeing a state trooper makes me immediately look at my speedometer and makes my heart skip a beat even if I'm under the speed limit. It's complete paranoia........ must be all of those days I spent under the iron fist of the Man and being a poor oppressed white man.

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I'm definitely pro cop. That being said, seeing a state trooper makes me immediately look at my speedometer and makes my heart skip a beat even if I'm under the speed limit. It's complete paranoia........ must be all of those days I spent under the iron fist of the Man and being a poor oppressed white man.

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I do too. 😂

Troopers are a whole other deal. Had a bit of a run in with Marine Patrol (they are Troopers) over the July 4th weekend. I don't think he wants to be my friend anymore.
 
I'm not trying to change the subject. We were having a side discussion. My apologies if it was a distraction.
That wasn't the problem. Talk about whatever you want. That guy just claims that he's annoyed when people change topics. I was pointing out that he's FOS.
 
So you don't care about changing topics in a thread. So like always, you're proven to be a fraud.

Trump devours people like you (weak men). Explains why you love him so much.

You need someone to hold you pharmacist? You know, sometimes, when manypeople have the same issue with one person, and that one person has a problem with many of those same people….it might be time for that person to consider that He/she might be the one with issues.


There have been numerous times now that many folks have taken issue with you hopping in a thread, changing the subject, and hijacking the thread. Might be time to ask why that keeps happening to you.
 
You need someone to hold you pharmacist? You know, sometimes, when manypeople have the same issue with one person, and that one person has a problem with many of those same people….it might be time for that person to consider that He/she might be the one with issues.


There have been numerous times now that many folks have taken issue with you hopping in a thread, changing the subject, and hijacking the thread. Might be time to ask why that keeps happening to you.
Not true. It's just you and the fsu guy. You 3 (ghost) agree about everything.
 
I'm definitely pro cop. That being said, seeing a state trooper makes me immediately look at my speedometer and makes my heart skip a beat even if I'm under the speed limit. It's complete paranoia........ must be all of those days I spent under the iron fist of the Man and being a poor oppressed white man.

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Just remember. 9 your fine, 10 your mine.
 
That isn't why the recidivism rate is so high. Programs that provide jobs to felons before they leave prison have been an abysmal failure in state after state.

Some people choose to be a POS. Others are simply wired wrong and lack any sort of impulse control whatsoever. The general public must be protected from these people.

We are the richest society mankind has ever known. Opportunity is out there, even for felons. I've seen it and I bet you have too. But as a society that has the means, yes, we lock more people up. Poorer societies cannot afford to do so and innocents suffer as a result.

I have no issue if you release people from prison for possession of marijuana. That's not what I'm referring to...and if we're being honest, they make up a tiny minority in actual state and federal prisons already.
I beleive I read somewhere that about 20% of all prisoniners are illegals. If we deported them all, and ACTUALLY protected out borders so they can't walk right back in, the US # would look better.
This is inaccurate and I expect you Bill to know better. The far left isn't running the Democratic party and if they were then Bernie would be president. No legislation have been made to defund the police. There hasn't been any far left legislation presented or passed. The democrats just worked with the Republicans to agree on a infrastructure deal. Something the far left didn't want them to do. That once shows that the far left isn't running anything. I can go on.
There isn't any FEDERAL Legislation, but you have major Dem run cities already defunding the police. NY, DC etc.
 
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That's not my intention. I'm asking him hard questions to make realize taking money from police budgets for nefarious (and unproven theories) isn't going to solve any problems but make them worse. Law enforcement (and the people they serve) are both going to suffer.
Aren't they moving to use social workers to handle all domestic responses instead of the police? I thought I read that somewhere.
 
Aren't they moving to use social workers to handle all domestic responses instead of the police? I thought I read that somewhere.
And spinning that's not defunding the police, it's REALLOCATING resources to make more 'effective' use of them.

Dems like to put flowery language on their perversions. Fools emotional sheep every time.
 
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Good. Drag them through the mud on this issue. Black Americans in particular started waking up to the con the dems were trying to pull on this issue last summer during the riots.

Dems care nothing about their voters. They are finally starting to wake up.
Eric Adams candidacy agrees with this.

I am heading to NYC tomorrow. Mid-town. My oldest daughters has said, firmly, we won’t be out of the hotel at night.

19 months ago, NYC was not perfect, but far safer then it was decades before when Koch ran it (almost into the ground).

top winning issues for republicans: police, border and inflation (taxes). CRT is also dividing people and will not win the center.
 
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