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Defund Police: dims revisionist history

Talk about laying the smack down

"Instead of spending $80 billion a year on jails and incarceration, we need to be investing in more jobs and education. "

This is the only coherent statement in the whole article. We incarcerate more people than any country in the world.
 
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"Instead of spending $80 billion a year on jails and incarceration, we need to be investing in more jobs and education. "

This is the only coherent statement in the whole article. We incarcerate more people than any country in the world.

Where do you keep people who refuse to stop stealing, assaulting, robbing, raping and killing?

93% recidivism in this country. You can't blame the system for all of that...or even most of it. If you let these people out in droves, chaos will ensue.
 
Where do you keep people who refuse to stop stealing, assaulting, robbing, raping and killing?

93% recidivism in this country. You can't blame the system for all of that...or even most of it. If you let these people out in droves, chaos will ensue.
We are the only civilized country that throws non violent criminals in prison.

Hell, the for profit prison complex is a billion dollar industry.

You can't get a job if you're a felon. That's why the recidivism rate is so high.
 
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Talk about laying the smack down


This was actually a good read. Those people mentioned in the article don't deny that they want to defend the police. That's the hard core crazy life. The left to moderate democrats don't want any part of that and never did. So your title is extremely misleading.

It's no different than hard core crazy right saying things. I will say the Republicans were great at attaching that slogan to the democrats. It's really an internal debate between the democrats.

I personally think it's a non issue that fringe people believe in but it doesn't speak for the most to all democrats or America.




 
This was actually a good read. Those people mentioned in the article don't deny that they want to defend the police. That's the hard core crazy life. The left to moderate democrats don't want any part of that and never did. So your title is extremely misleading.

It's no different than hard core crazy right saying things. I will say the Republicans were great at attaching that slogan to the democrats. It's really an internal debate between the democrats.

I personally think it's a non issue that fringe people believe in but it doesn't speak for the most to all democrats or America.





Biden is the head of the party. Title is spot on. Leadership is making tough decisions and calling people out when they are wrong. Has Biden said these dems are wrong? Trump would have. Lead by example and biden isn’t. This defund the police movement exists in the dim party, period. Again, title is on point

Where are the other leaders in your party calling out this bs? Bueller, Bueller?
 
Biden is the head of the party. Title is spot on. Leadership is making tough decisions and calling people out when they are wrong. Has Biden said these dems are wrong? Trump would have. Lead by example and biden isn’t. This defund the police movement exists in the dim party, period. Again, title is on point

Where are the other leaders in your party calling out this bs? Bueller, Bueller?

It's not spot on. You're being sneaky by making it seem like it's the Democratic party as a whole. White supremacy exists within the Republican party and you dislike that people say the Republican party is racist. My point is, you're doing exactly what you don't like. I said it exists with some people in the Democratic party but it definitely doesn't make up the Democratic party. It's not even close.

I attached articles of leaders saying they aren't for it or don't agree with it back in 2020 too, before the election. Did you not read them? I'll attach another one. There's plenty of them with videos and quotes. Maybe you haven't seen it already because OAN/Newsmax/Fox won't show it, so they can control your mind with a false narrative. Remember all media is sneaky.

Now if your issue is that they didn't denounce it like you or Trump would, that's just silly. There are more than one way to skin a cat.

 
It's not spot on. You're being sneaky by making it seem like it's the Democratic party as a whole. White supremacy exists within the Republican party and you dislike that people say the Republican party is racist. My point is, you're doing exactly what you don't like. I said it exists with some people in the Democratic party but it definitely doesn't make up the Democratic party. It's not even close.

I attached articles of leaders saying they aren't for it or don't agree with it back in 2020 too, before the election. Did you not read them? I'll attach another one. There's plenty of them with videos and quotes. Maybe you haven't seen it already because OAN/Newsmax/Fox won't show it, so they can control your mind with a false narrative. Remember all media is sneaky.

Now if your issue is that they didn't denounce it like you or Trump would, that's just silly. There are more than one way to skin a cat.

Would you say black supremacy exists within the Democrat party?
 
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Would you say black supremacy exists within the Democrat party?

White supremacy exists in the Democratic party. This cat is doing what he always tries to do, albeit he always fails miserably. He is once again trying to compare apples to oranges to change the subject.

How? Well, there are members from 1 party that support defunding police. There are white supremacist in both parties, but as a whole the Democratic party IS the party where racism is rampant. How do we know this? How did Biden choose his VP? Gotta be black and a woman. That is literally racism and sexism. Dims gonna dim
 
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White supremacy exists in the Democratic party. This cat is doing what he always tries to do, albeit he always fails miserably. He is once again trying to compare apples to oranges to change the subject.

How? Well, there are members from 1 party that support defunding police. There are white supremacist in both parties, but as a whole the Democratic party IS the party where racism is rampant. How do we know this? How did Biden choose his VP? Gotta be black and a woman. That is literally racism.
Racism is the bedrock of the democratic party. Its why they formed the kkk to hunt down blacks, it's why they support abortion to eliminate the black race, it's why they opposed the Civil Rights Act cc @Uniformed_ReRe

What did @kalimgoodman say about Hunter and his racism?

"I don't care".

Well, there ya go.
 
It's not spot on. You're being sneaky by making it seem like it's the Democratic party as a whole. White supremacy exists within the Republican party and you dislike that people say the Republican party is racist. My point is, you're doing exactly what you don't like. I said it exists with some people in the Democratic party but it definitely doesn't make up the Democratic party. It's not even close.

I attached articles of leaders saying they aren't for it or don't agree with it back in 2020 too, before the election. Did you not read them? I'll attach another one. There's plenty of them with videos and quotes. Maybe you haven't seen it already because OAN/Newsmax/Fox won't show it, so they can control your mind with a false narrative. Remember all media is sneaky.

Now if your issue is that they didn't denounce it like you or Trump would, that's just silly. There are more than one way to skin a cat.


I read that tip toe bs. Sounded like a non committed politician. And you ate it up. Stop trying to turn apples into oranges with your analogies that make no sense.
 
We are the only civilized country that throws non violent criminals in prison.

Hell, the for profit prison complex is a billion dollar industry.

You can't get a job if you're a felon. That's why the recidivism rate is so high.

That isn't why the recidivism rate is so high. Programs that provide jobs to felons before they leave prison have been an abysmal failure in state after state.

Some people choose to be a POS. Others are simply wired wrong and lack any sort of impulse control whatsoever. The general public must be protected from these people.

We are the richest society mankind has ever known. Opportunity is out there, even for felons. I've seen it and I bet you have too. But as a society that has the means, yes, we lock more people up. Poorer societies cannot afford to do so and innocents suffer as a result.

I have no issue if you release people from prison for possession of marijuana. That's not what I'm referring to...and if we're being honest, they make up a tiny minority in actual state and federal prisons already.
 
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White supremacy exists in the Democratic party. This cat is doing what he always tries to do, albeit he always fails miserably. He is once again trying to compare apples to oranges to change the subject.

How? Well, there are members from 1 party that support defunding police. There are white supremacist in both parties, but as a whole the Democratic party IS the party where racism is rampant. How do we know this? How did Biden choose his VP? Gotta be black and a woman. That is literally racism and sexism. Dims gonna dim
I'm not discussing that and I'm not changing the topic, you just tired to do that. I just used it as an example. Now overall the defund the police truly isn't real amongst the democratic party. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden haven't presented any legislation saying that. The people that matters you know. Omar, AOC isn't as important as the Republican party think they are to the democratic party.
 
I read that tip toe bs. Sounded like a non committed politician. And you ate it up. Stop trying to turn apples into oranges with your analogies that make no sense.
You was always going to find something wrong with it. Like I said earlier, you'll find plenty of videos and articles of Biden saying otherwise. Just research yourself instead of leading the eco chamber tell you otherwise.

The analogies are spot on. You're saying don't judge the Republicans by fringe people in their party but judge the democrats by fringe people in their party. I'm saying don't by both sides.
 
I'm not discussing that and I'm not changing the topic, you just tired to do that. I just used it as an example. Now overall the defund the police truly isn't real amongst the democratic party. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden haven't presented any legislation saying that. The people that matters you know. Omar, AOC isn't as important as the Republican party think they are to the democratic party.

It was a bad example. Period. Apples meet oranges. There are members of 1 party supporting defund the police. The
dims. Pelosi, schumer and sobel just tip toe around the
subject. Worried about upsetting the others in the party. This topic isn’t about racism. It’s about 1 party, with many members who want to defund the police, and leadership at the top not willing to tell the rest to knock it off. It’s poor leadership and dims own it.

Remember, we agree that dims are to blame for the increase in violent crime, right?
 
That isn't why the recidivism rate is so high. Programs that provide jobs to felons before they leave prison have been an abysmal failure in state after state.

Some people choose to be a POS. Others are simply wired wrong and lack any sort of impulse control whatsoever. The general public must be protected from these people.

We are the richest society mankind has ever known. Opportunity is out there, even for felons. I've seen it and I bet you have too. But as a society that has the means, yes, we lock more people up. Poorer societies cannot afford to do so and innocents suffer as a result.

I have no issue if you release people from prison for possession of marijuana. That's not what I'm referring to...and if we're being honest, they make up a tiny minority in actual state and federal prisons already.
Yeah it's like 1% in federal prison for Marijuana possession...
 
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You was always going to find something wrong with it. Like I said earlier, you'll find plenty of videos and articles of Biden saying otherwise. Just research yourself instead of leading the eco chamber tell you otherwise.

The analogies are spot on. You're saying don't judge the Republicans by fringe people in their party but judge the democrats by fringe people in their party. I'm saying don't by both sides.

Apples meet oranges. You don’t get to change the subject in this thread. Stick to the topic. No one is saying anything in the OP about judging republicans.

This is about sobels failure to lead
 
It was a bad example. Period. Apples meet oranges. There are members of 1 party supporting defund the police. The
dims. Pelosi, schumer and sobel just tip toe around the
subject. Worried about upsetting the others in the party. This topic isn’t about racism. It’s about 1 party, with many members who want to defund the police, and leadership at the top not willing to tell the rest to knock it off. It’s poor leadership and dims own it.

Remember, we agree that dims are to blame for the increase in violent crime, right?
Not sure why you can't understand. I'm not changing topics. I'm not diving into racial stuff or crime. This is you trying to bait me into talking about it and then you'll say "he changed topics". It was just an example to help explain the defund the police false narrative you have. I can use a different analogy if you would like. That's assuming you understand analogies. You seem to think using an analogy is "changing topics".
 
Apples meet oranges. You don’t get to change the subject in this thread. Stick to the topic. No one is saying anything in the OP about judging republicans.

This is about sobels failure to lead
Haha. So basically you're saying only criticize the democrats on defund the police, anything other than that is "changing topics"? That's how your threads operate?
 
Not sure why you can't understand. I'm not changing topics. I'm not diving into racial stuff or crime. This is you trying to bait me into talking about it and then you'll say "he changed topics". It was just an example to help explain the defund the police false narrative you have. I can use a different analogy if you would like. That's assuming you understand analogies. You seem to think using an analogy is "changing topics".



It was apples to oranges analogy. You do this alot. Analogies are fine, but they have to make sense. Again, there are racists in both parties. More on the left than on the right, but I digress. Both parties leadership have denounced white supremacy (wish the same could be said about black supremacy) There are many members of 1 party that support defunding police, and leadership of that party haven’t denounced that garbage.

See how apples aren’t oranges?
 
That isn't why the recidivism rate is so high. Programs that provide jobs to felons before they leave prison have been an abysmal failure in state after state.

Some people choose to be a POS. Others are simply wired wrong and lack any sort of impulse control whatsoever. The general public must be protected from these people.

We are the richest society mankind has ever known. Opportunity is out there, even for felons. I've seen it and I bet you have too. But as a society that has the means, yes, we lock more people up. Poorer societies cannot afford to do so and innocents suffer as a result.

I have no issue if you release people from prison for possession of marijuana. That's not what I'm referring to...and if we're being honest, they make up a tiny minority in actual state and federal prisons already.
We are not going to agree on this. Most of my time in law enforcement was in corrections, most of yours is on the street I assume. Florida has no programs for rehabilitation. They have a broom plant, a tag plant, and a furniture factory. If you have a short sentence you might get lucky and get to go on work release. Once you get out though, you aren't going to be able to get work anywhere but construction or for minimum wage.

You can literally rape someone in the state of Florida and get out in 7 years. Where as they catch you growing pot you are doing 15 years because of mandatory minimums.

The war on drugs might just be the dumbest thing the GOP ever came up with. And now its a multi billion dollar industry that has toppled governments all over central and south America.

It is none of the governments business what I ingest. If i get high and wreck into a van full of nuns, well we have laws against that already.

One of the only things European model get right is they legalize the drugs, tax the shit out of them and use the money for rehab and education for those that want it.
 
Haha. So basically you're saying only criticize the democrats on defund the police, anything other than that is "changing topics"? That's how your threads operate?

No, how most threads operate is folks discuss the topic at hand, the kalim comes in and derails it. See, now we are discussing how threads operate. Back on topic. Why do dims and their leadership not denounce defunding the police?
 
Not sure why you can't understand. I'm not changing topics. I'm not diving into racial stuff or crime. This is you trying to bait me into talking about it and then you'll say "he changed topics". It was just an example to help explain the defund the police false narrative you have. I can use a different analogy if you would like. That's assuming you understand analogies. You seem to think using an analogy is "changing topics".
The issue is the far left is running the Democrat party and the far left is the Democrat voice right now. What elected party member from the Democrat party has pushed back against the left?
 
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We are not going to agree on this. Most of my time in law enforcement was in corrections, most of yours is on the street I assume. Florida has no programs for rehabilitation. They have a broom plant, a tag plant, and a furniture factory. If you have a short sentence you might get lucky and get to go on work release. Once you get out though, you aren't going to be able to get work anywhere but construction or for minimum wage.

You can literally rape someone in the state of Florida and get out in 7 years. Where as they catch you growing pot you are doing 15 years because of mandatory minimums.

The war on drugs might just be the dumbest thing the GOP ever came up with. And now its a multi billion dollar industry that has toppled governments all over central and south America.

It is none of the governments business what I ingest. If i get high and wreck into a van full of nuns, well we have laws against that already.

One of the only things European model get right is they legalize the drugs, tax the shit out of them and use the money for rehab and education for those that want it.

You are correct, we won't.

The people who innocently use the drugs steal from others to support their habit. Constantly.

Your proposal = thunderdome.
 
No, how most threads operate is folks discuss the topic at hand, the kalim comes in and derails it. See, now we are discussing how threads operate. Back on topic. Why do dims and their leadership not denounce defunding the police?
This is interesting because you have post from Evil and Bama in this thread talking about different things but did you single them out? NO!

I've sent you MULTIPLE people pushing back and saying they aren't for it. You yourself said they are "tip toeing" which means its being DONE but not as strong as you would like it. So you asked a question knowing that you were being disingenuous about the facts. Not good man.
 
The issue is the far left is running the Democrat party and the far left is the Democrat voice right now. What elected party member from the Democrat party has pushed back against the left?
This is inaccurate and I expect you Bill to know better. The far left isn't running the Democratic party and if they were then Bernie would be president. No legislation have been made to defund the police. There hasn't been any far left legislation presented or passed. The democrats just worked with the Republicans to agree on a infrastructure deal. Something the far left didn't want them to do. That once shows that the far left isn't running anything. I can go on.
 
It was apples to oranges analogy. You do this alot. Analogies are fine, but they have to make sense. Again, there are racists in both parties. More on the left than on the right, but I digress. Both parties leadership have denounced white supremacy (wish the same could be said about black supremacy) There are many members of 1 party that support defunding police, and leadership of that party haven’t denounced that garbage.

See how apples aren’t oranges?
So even though I disagree about race, I'll use a different analogy. So just because the hard core right believes in Q, does that mean the Republicans are the party of Q?
 
Omar, AOC isn't as important as the Republican party think they are to the democratic party.

AOC must be placated by the rest of the Democrats because of her ability to end their political careers. She could primary Schumer and end his career anytime she chooses.
 
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So even though I disagree about race, I'll use a different analogy. So just because the hard core right believes in Q, does that mean the Republicans are the party of Q?
You still aren't getting it. And this analogy makes no sense either. Good grief.

Which Republican in office identifies, supports and pushes policy to support Q? Which ones are trying to write legislation that backs whoever Q is and impacts every day life? You should stop with analogies, you aren't very good at them.

Want an analogy? Here you go.

If Republicans had members that wanted to provide funding for the KKK....and no one in the party was denouncing it....then they WOULD BE THE PARTY of BACKING the KKK.

There's your analogy.

Again, The dim party has MANY members who want to defund the police. Their party leadership hasn't denounced them or it. When you listen to the party leadership they all stutter and stammer to avoid giving an answer, when asked about defunding the police. They all sound like captain sobel on any day that ends in Y.

THE Party that supports defund the police is the Democratic party. Pretty simple.
 
You still aren't getting it. And this analogy makes no sense either. Good grief.

Which Republican in office identifies, supports and pushes policy to support Q? Which ones are trying to write legislation that backs whoever Q is and impacts every day life? You should stop with analogies, you aren't very good at them.

Want an analogy? Here you go.

If Republicans had members that wanted to provide funding for the KKK....and no one in the party was denouncing it....then they WOULD BE THE PARTY of BACKING the KKK.

There's your analogy.

Again, The dim party has MANY members who want to defund the police. Their party leadership hasn't denounced them or it. When you listen to the party leadership they all stutter and stammer to avoid giving an answer, when asked about defunding the police. They all sound like captain sobel on any day that ends in Y.

THE Party that supports defund the police is the Democratic party. Pretty simple.
There are Republicans that identify with Q. Please tell me that you're just being difficult to be difficult. I really shouldn't have to provide you facts all the time. You're a man, act like one. You're wrong on this but you truly don't care if you are or not.


 
AOC must be placated by the rest of the Democrats because of her ability to end their political careers. She could primary Schumer and end his career anytime she chooses.
AOC isn't that powerful. Plenty of candidates she supports have lost. Her candidate didn't even finish in the top 2 in the NY mayor race. Not sure why you guys think she is.
 
I'm not discussing that and I'm not changing the topic, you just tired to do that. I just used it as an example. Now overall the defund the police truly isn't real amongst the democratic party. Pelosi, Schumer and Biden haven't presented any legislation saying that. The people that matters you know. Omar, AOC isn't as important as the Republican party think they are to the democratic party.
Hiden campaigned on defund the police. And as @jfegaly said, if he was against it then he could shut down the talk from his party.

Trump did it all the time when pubs pushed ideas he didn't like. But that's what a leader does, and Hiden isn't one.
 
You still aren't getting it. And this analogy makes no sense either. Good grief.

Which Republican in office identifies, supports and pushes policy to support Q? Which ones are trying to write legislation that backs whoever Q is and impacts every day life? You should stop with analogies, you aren't very good at them.

Want an analogy? Here you go.

If Republicans had members that wanted to provide funding for the KKK....and no one in the party was denouncing it....then they WOULD BE THE PARTY of BACKING the KKK.

There's your analogy.

Again, The dim party has MANY members who want to defund the police. Their party leadership hasn't denounced them or it. When you listen to the party leadership they all stutter and stammer to avoid giving an answer, when asked about defunding the police. They all sound like captain sobel on any day that ends in Y.

THE Party that supports defund the police is the Democratic party. Pretty simple.
Yep. Dems tell us plenty by their actions.

When @Uniformed_ReRe refuses to condemn Hunter for his racial slurs, he's telling us that he doesn't care about them.

I will then point this out, and rere will get all upset. "I never said that!"

Yes, you did.

When you ignore your party's racists, you are telling us you don't care about them. Same thing when @kalimgoodman @BSC911 @G8trDad3 @sadgator and @Mdfgator ignore them.

Your actions tell us where your priorities are. Your non-action tells us you don't care.

If one of Trump's kids made the same racial slurs that Hunter did, every Trump supporter here would have called them out.

Because we put being decent above being political. You dems should try it sometime.
 
There are Republicans that identify with Q. Please tell me that you're just being difficult to be difficult. I really shouldn't have to provide you facts all the time. You're a man, act like one. You're wrong on this but you truly don't care if you are or not.


You provide facts, but facts that aren't completely relevant. You have to read things before you emotionally respond. I didn't say identify. I said "supports and pushes policy to support Q? Which ones are trying to write legislation that backs whoever Q is and impacts every day life? But you chose to ignore that part.

Also, MR Lib.....I gave you the better analogy and you again chose to ignore it.

If Republicans had members that wanted to provide funding for the KKK....and no one in the party was denouncing it....then they WOULD BE THE PARTY of BACKING the KKK.

Post title WAS and IS spot on. Dims ARE the party of defund the police. Just own it. They are just like you (a liberal posing as an independent) I guess I can understand why you voted for Biden. Just a couple of fakes being fake. Just own what you are.
 
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