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COVID19 Vaccine: MAYO CLINIC DEBUNKS VACCINE MYTHS

Funny you keep saying that. Why do you think everyone calls your wife "The Conductor"? She sure ain't leading any symphonies, although there is always a cacophony when she's around ...
There you go again, now our Alabama and Kentucky friends have to go back to Google and look up the big words.
 
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Was there ever a vax for Spanish flu? Or did we eventually just achieve herd immunity and began to isolate patients and pay more attention to hygiene? I thought we got past it off our resolve and ingenuity. And I know. Lots of deaths. But aspirin poisoning and the fact we were in the midst of The Great War played a massive role in those death numbers also.

We got over the Black Death too, only sacrificed about a quarter of the human population. Some of the stuff that helped us get over it, like vastly improved hygiene, is simply not something that can be done quickly and cheaply. It was impossible for most people in the middle ages to not be around rats which carried the bubonic plague. It's also not possible for everyone now to wear something that filters 100% of the virus from our breaths and hands.

As we developed as a species we got modern sewage systems, running water, refrigeration, etc. and the rat problem went away. Perhaps in the future we'll have breathable nanofilters in our trachea and antimicrobial nanofilms on our hands that would make such viruses a non-issue as well. For now though, vaccines are our best bet.
 
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We got over the Black Death too, only sacrificed about a quarter of the human population. Some of the stuff that helped us get over it, like vastly improved hygiene, is simply not something that can be done quickly and cheaply. It was impossible for most people in the middle ages to not be around rats which carried the bubonic plague. It's also not possible for everyone now to wear something that filters 100% of the virus from our breaths and hands.

As we developed as a species we got modern sewage systems, running water, refrigeration, etc. and the rat problem went away. Perhaps in the future we'll have breathable nanofilters in our trachea and antimicrobial nanofilms on our hands that would make such viruses a non-issue as well. For now though, vaccines are our best bet.
Really the last 200 years has been remarkable in terms of innovation and population explosion. All related to technology for all the various things you mentioned. The human explosion may not be the best thing either. It certainly stresses the planet. We probably won’t be alive to see how it ends but somethings going to happen because the planet cannot continue to support the human population at the rate it’s growing.

anyway, interesting discussion.
I recommend a vaccine.
 
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We got over the Black Death too, only sacrificed about a quarter of the human population. Some of the stuff that helped us get over it, like vastly improved hygiene, is simply not something that can be done quickly and cheaply. It was impossible for most people in the middle ages to not be around rats which carried the bubonic plague. It's also not possible for everyone now to wear something that filters 100% of the virus from our breaths and hands.

As we developed as a species we got modern sewage systems, running water, refrigeration, etc. and the rat problem went away. Perhaps in the future we'll have breathable nanofilters in our trachea and antimicrobial nanofilms on our hands that would make such viruses a non-issue as well. For now though, vaccines are our best bet.
We got over the Black Death too, only sacrificed about a quarter of the human population. Some of the stuff that helped us get over it, like vastly improved hygiene, is simply not something that can be done quickly and cheaply. It was impossible for most people in the middle ages to not be around rats which carried the bubonic plague. It's also not possible for everyone now to wear something that filters 100% of the virus from our breaths and hands.

As we developed as a species we got modern sewage systems, running water, refrigeration, etc. and the rat problem went away. Perhaps in the future we'll have breathable nanofilters in our trachea and antimicrobial nanofilms on our hands that would make such viruses a non-issue as well. For now though, vaccines are our best bet.

Sounds a little too cyborgish for me. Antimicrobial nanofilms and nanofilters in our trachea. How about we just discover or (publicly disclose) how to keep our immune systems turbocharged at all times?
I understand I take a more “eastern approach” to medicine. But, my understanding, and this is coming from a “western doctor” Dr. Neil Riordan, that when you have a fever, cough, pains, etc when you have the flu. Those symptoms are merely a result of your immune system attempting to battle this virus. The flu virus doesn’t make you ill it’s your immune systems response to the virus.
However, what if we could boast our immune systems to the point where the flu virus couldn’t even get a foothold and would be destroyed without you even getting sick? No need for vaccinations/antibiotics/over the counter medicine. Talk about BIG PHARMA’S worst nightmare!
If only we could one day find a way to turbo charge our immune systems. Outside of the “too costly” stem cells approach of course.

(I’m sure 1776 will nuke this post)
 
Sounds a little too cyborgish for me. Antimicrobial nanofilms and nanofilters in our trachea. How about we just discover or (publicly disclose) how to keep our immune systems turbocharged at all times?
I understand I take a more “eastern approach” to medicine. But, my understanding, and this is coming from a “western doctor” Dr. Neil Riordan, that when you have a fever, cough, pains, etc when you have the flu. Those symptoms are merely a result of your immune system attempting to battle this virus. The flu virus doesn’t make you ill it’s your immune systems response to the virus.
However, what if we could boast our immune systems to the point where the flu virus couldn’t even get a foothold and would be destroyed without you even getting sick? No need for vaccinations/antibiotics/over the counter medicine. Talk about BIG PHARMA’S worst nightmare!
If only we could one day find a way to turbo charge our immune systems. Outside of the “too costly” stem cells approach of course.

(I’m sure 1776 will nuke this post)

I can take care of the nuking lol. It's not a matter of Eastern vs. Western, it's a matter of modern and scientific vs. backwards and non-scientific. Improving one's own immune system is neither unique to Eastern medicine nor is it a field that modern medicine neglects. The key difference between what most refer to as "Western" and "Eastern" medicine is not so much in its approach to treating the patient, but that one is empirically verified and one is not.

I don't mean any of this as disparaging to traditional medicine. Thousands of years of experience with traditional medicine is the foundation upon which modern medicine is built on. Even now we draw inspiration from traditional medicine. For example, it was only a few years ago when a new, highly effective anti-malarial was developed from an herb found in an obscure traditional Chinese medicine text. With that said, we have now largely picked out the best parts of traditional medicine and discarded the worst through the scientific method.

What it really boils down to, IMO, is that you shouldn't think in terms of Eastern vs. Western medicine, and neither should you think of it as different approaches to medicine. You should think of modern medicine as traditional medicine that's been improved through the rigors of the scientific method. Modern medicine is, in a sense, traditional medicine 2.0.
 
I can take care of the nuking lol. It's not a matter of Eastern vs. Western, it's a matter of modern and scientific vs. backwards and non-scientific. Improving one's own immune system is neither unique to Eastern medicine nor is it a field that modern medicine neglects. The key difference between what most refer to as "Western" and "Eastern" medicine is not so much in its approach to treating the patient, but that one is empirically verified and one is not.

I don't mean any of this as disparaging to traditional medicine. Thousands of years of experience with traditional medicine is the foundation upon which modern medicine is built on. Even now we draw inspiration from traditional medicine. For example, it was only a few years ago when a new, highly effective anti-malarial was developed from an herb found in an obscure traditional Chinese medicine text. With that said, we have now largely picked out the best parts of traditional medicine and discarded the worst through the scientific method.

What it really boils down to, IMO, is that you shouldn't think in terms of Eastern vs. Western medicine, and neither should you think of it as different approaches to medicine. You should think of modern medicine as traditional medicine that's been improved through the rigors of the scientific method. Modern medicine is, in a sense, traditional medicine 2.0.

Ya ummm the doctor I referenced above is about as Western as you can get. Neil Riordan has been at the forefront of applying stem cells for various treatments for years now. He practices in Panama because MSC stem cells are illegal here. He’s healed completely broken spinal cords with his treatments, made incredible progress with children on the autism spectrum among other accomplishments.

I said I take on a more eastern approach. I’d rather take something from nature than a lab. The doctor I referenced is as western as it gets. So if modern science had the ability to boast our immune systems to the point it can take care of itself with regards to viruses and disease. I’d rather do that than put a band aid on symptoms route of big pharma. But that’s just me and my “eastern” view I guess.
 
Ya ummm the doctor I referenced above is about as Western as you can get. Neil Riordan has been at the forefront of applying stem cells for various treatments for years now. He practices in Panama because MSC stem cells are illegal here. He’s healed completely broken spinal cords with his treatments, made incredible progress with children on the autism spectrum among other accomplishments.

I said I take on a more eastern approach. I’d rather take something from nature than a lab. The doctor I referenced is as western as it gets. So if modern science had the ability to boast our immune systems to the point it can take care of itself with regards to viruses and disease. I’d rather do that than put a band aid on symptoms route of big pharma. But that’s just me and my “eastern” view I guess.

If we can do that with "eastern" medicine, we'd absolutely do that as well. The point is that we can't. If we could, "western" medicine would've adopted it.

Plenty of treatments in modern medicine do not involve medications at all, so equating modern medicine with lab-devised medications is simply not factual. The only thing modern medicine cares about is whether something works. If it can be proven to work, it'll be adopted. It doesn't matter if it's an herb, a fruit, a root, a tablet, an exercise, or a conversation. If it works, we'll use it. That's the essence of modern medicine.
 
If we can do that with "eastern" medicine, we'd absolutely do that as well. The point is that we can't. If we could, "western" medicine would've adopted it.

Plenty of treatments in modern medicine do not involve medications at all, so equating modern medicine with lab-devised medications is simply not factual. The only thing modern medicine cares about is whether something works. If it can be proven to work, it'll be adopted. It doesn't matter if it's an herb, a fruit, a root, a tablet, an exercise, or a conversation. If it works, we'll use it. That's the essence of modern medicine.

I couldn’t disagree more. If it could be done and I believe it already can it’s be suppressed on purpose. The existence of that would destroy Big Pharma absolutely and forever. Also, people would likely begin to live even longer being that much healthier. The powers that be don’t won’t more healthy, happy, longer living humans amigo. You’re talking all autoimmune diseases cured overnight. You know how much improvement of quality of life that would create?

They’ve know for a while it’s a deterioration of the telomeres in our DNA that cases cells to age and die and ultimately humans to age and die. Solving that would make humans essentially immortal from natural causes/disease sense. You think that won’t be suppressed when it’s figured out if not already?
 
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