Consider This....

[Michi-Gator]

mac's recruiting classes have gotten progressively worse each year. So as he has had time to build relationships (remember how important everyone thought this would be when he only had 2 months to recruit year one) and show his product and his SECe wins, he becomes a less attractive option and recruiting is worse and worse. Something ain't right. Something about this guy is just not working.

 

[Gator Fever]

He just isnt a great recruiter I guess. 15th ranked classes year after year wont cut it in the SEC if you want to win championships.

 

[instaGATOR]

mac's recruiting classes have gotten progressively worse each year.

So as he has had time to build relationships (remember how important everyone thought this would be when he only had 2 months to recruit year one) and show his product and his SECe wins, he becomes a less attractive option and recruiting is worse and worse. Something ain't right. Something about this (michi-skunk) guy is just not working.

#91 with 6 commits when he arrived at UF

#21 Class with 21 commits a month later that included 2 that were 5 stars.

#12 Class with 25 commits as he attempted to fill the many position holes left to him by the musclecramp.

#?? Class - won't be ranked by the usual dweebs until next Wednesday.

Something ain't right alright, and it's the michi-skunk imo.

91 > 21 > 12 > ?? for the absolute proof that Mc's classes are falling,
and that michi is actually a hardblow Mich fan that needs to be 'sheep-dipped.'

What this actually proves to me is that he is just as clueless (or an intentional back-stabbin' liar) as he always seems to be with his idiot posts.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Its all but mathematically impossible for this class to break #12. But you keep telling yourself wverything is fine and the 100th ranked offense and 4 loss seasons are expected and acceptable at UF

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

When the only Mac defender left is InstaGator (and some mischievous Noles), you have a problem.

 

[instaGATOR]

When the only Mac defender left is InstaGator (and some mischievous Noles), you have a problem.

Says the Clown-U, un-formed_PePe, criminole...

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

He just isnt a great recruiter I guess. 15th ranked classes year after year wont cut it in the SEC if you want to win championships.

I disagree, 15th will get you get sec east championships on the reg.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I disagree, 15th will get you get sec east championships on the reg.

No. Not the way Kirby is recruiting

 

[fsu939913]

Mac is doing a fantastic job. Hope he gets the extension and money he deserves

 

[JWtruthsquad]

"No. Not the way Kirby is recruiting"

We have a winner. I realize most of you get it from reading all this, but your biggest rival is cleaning up and this will come back to bite you. There will always be 5* busts and 2* AA's, but over time the rating services are pretty damn accurate and your classes aren't going to cut it. Everything goes in cycles and the SEC E will get much stronger, with or without the Gators.

 

[Countygator]

"No. Not the way Kirby is recruiting"

We have a winner. I realize most of you get it from reading all this, but your biggest rival is cleaning up and this will come back to bite you. There will always be 5* busts and 2* AA's, but over time the rating services are pretty damn accurate and your classes aren't going to cut it. Everything goes in cycles and the SEC E will get much stronger, with or without the Gators.

Muschamp was a great recruiter

 

[rdgtr]

ESPN has Florida's current class ranked at #20.
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings

Also consider this, Florida is in play for the following players:
4* CB Brad Stewart
4* DT Slaton
4* DT Conliff
4* WR Robinson
4* LB Jones
5* DE Ray
5* DE Chaisson
4* DT Gady
3*DT Gady
4* DT Wyatt
3* LB Smith
3* CB Edwards
3* CB Stiner
3* OT Hillery
WR Rambo
RB Lemons

If Florida lands many of these recruits, it's rankings will be around top 15ish or better.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Muschamp was a great recruiter

Muschamp was a great recruiter of certain positions. He couldn't balance a roster to save his life. And Mac should send him a thank you for his defensive recruiting, because without it Mac may already be gone.

And the gap between UGa and us is significant, it will catch up with us. I don't think Jimbo is an exceptional coach but right now we can't overcome the talent gap.

 

[Michi-Gator]

ESPN has Florida's current class ranked at #20.
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings

Also consider this, Florida is in play for the following players:
4* CB Brad Stewart
4* DT Slaton
4* WR Robinson
4* LB Jones
5* DE Ray
5* DE Chaisson
4* DT Gady
3*DT Gady
4* DT Wyatt
3* LB Smith
3* CB Edwards
3* CB Stiner
3* OT Hillery
WR Rambo

The services are all very different, that is why I use 247 Composite which takes them all into account. Also, word is the Gadu brothers can't qualify at MD and very well may not here either. And lol at including Stiner and Hillery. Hillery is the kid getting bumped out at Miami when they beat us out for Herbert. And Stiner didn't get interest from UF until Blades de-committed. We will het Robinson because we are one of a few schools wanting to take him with his 'issues' and red flags. Jones, Wyatt and Ray are all long shot at this point. We are trending for Conclife though. We have been a heavy leader for Slaton but now Kirby has entered the picture. So basically, yes, we are about to close strong with a large quantity of Plan Bs

 

[rdgtr]

The services are all very different, that is why I use 247 Composite which takes them all into account. Also, word is the Gadu brothers can't qualify at MD and very well may not here either. And lol at including Stiner and Hillery. Hillery is the kid getting bumped out at Miami when they beat us out for Herbert. And Stiner didn't get interest from UF until Blades de-committed. We will het Robinson because we are one of a few schools wanting to take him with his 'issues' and red flags. Jones, Wyatt and Ray are all long shot at this point. We are trending for Conclife though. We have been a heavy leader for Slaton but now Kirby has entered the picture. So basically, yes, we are about to close strong with a large quantity of Plan Bs

Florida only has 6 3*'s committed while FSU (9) and Miami (13) have significantly more of them. It's all right for Florida to sign a few more 3* players; it doesn't mean that they don't have the potential to be major contributors.

As for the number of 4*'s, Florida's 8 4*'s places them in the 6th most number category behind Oklahoma (17), Michigan/Georgia/Alabama (14), Texas A&M (12), USC/Ohio St (11), and Tennessee/Auburn/LSU (9).
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017

From the above list if Florida signs about 4-5 more 4*'s (bringing the total to around 12-13 4*'s) than I would think that would be a decent haul for the Gators.

 

[Countygator]

Muschamp was a great recruiter of certain positions. He couldn't balance a roster to save his life. And Mac should send him a thank you for his defensive recruiting, because without it Mac may already be gone.

And the gap between UGa and us is significant, it will catch up with us. I don't think Jimbo is an exceptional coach but right now we can't overcome the talent gap.

Maybe, but until smart proves he can win he's no different than champ

 

[Michi-Gator]

Maybe, but until smart proves he can win he's no different than champ

He's a 3-5 loss per year guy just like Mac

 

[46885]

i don't know, because the difference with smart and those guys is talent is never the problem on either side of the ball for UGA and he has an elite QB to start out with for at least two more years. The others haven't had anything close to that, and you know his defenses will get better and more talented from this point forward.






Also, it seems a little late for us to finally be putting Spurrier in the full court press

 

[bradleygator]

Says the Clown-U, un-formed_PePe, criminole...

I really thought my "uninformed retard" was the best take on his screen name. But I have to tip my cap to "unformed pee pee."

 

[kellylexy]

The services are all very different, that is why I use 247 Composite which takes them all into account. Also, word is the Gadu brothers can't qualify at MD and very well may not here either. And lol at including Stiner and Hillery. Hillery is the kid getting bumped out at Miami when they beat us out for Herbert. And Stiner didn't get interest from UF until Blades de-committed. We will het Robinson because we are one of a few schools wanting to take him with his 'issues' and red flags. Jones, Wyatt and Ray are all long shot at this point. We are trending for Conclife though. We have been a heavy leader for Slaton but now Kirby has entered the picture. So basically, yes, we are about to close strong with a large quantity of Plan Bs

I think UF also gets Stewart, Lemons, and Smith. Some of the sexier picks are already committed, however Mac is going to have a pretty balanced class with solid defenders coupled with some good skill. If Slaton and possibly another OL comes on board then UF should be pretty happy with the overall class. The only thing I really see lacking is at DT. If they get the Gady's to flip then Mac has brought in a very respectable haul that fills all the needs, imo. Slaton might also be a candidate to play DT and that would shore up that need along with current top notch DT, Campbell.

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

i don't know, because the difference with smart and those guys is talent is never the problem on either side of the ball for UGA and he has an elite QB to start out with for at least two more years. The others haven't had anything close to that, and you know his defenses will get better and more talented from this point forward.






Also, it seems a little late for us to finally be putting Spurrier in the full court press

Whoa whoa, wtf is with the Jordan logo?

 

[sadgator]

Look, the class isn't going to be good. That appears abundantly clear from those in the know.

However, you are talking about the two time east winner, 2015 SEC Coach of the Year. That is going to buy you a truckload of faith and goodwill from the admin.

It is certainly reasonable to expect that Strickland will sit down with him after NSD and have a "where are we
heading"- type chat, but anybody who thinks that some seismic coaching shift is imminent based on one poor recruiting class is kidding themselves.

It is going to take SEVERAL underperforming seasons (notwithstanding some catastrophic event) before any change is even considered.

You can either torture yourself by lambasting the guy everyday, or you can try to look for the positive where you can find it, and hope that some real special difference maker player comes from a place we didn't expect.

sadgator is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I think UF also gets Stewart, Lemons, and Smith. Some of the sexier picks are already committed, however Mac is going to have a pretty balanced class with solid defenders coupled with some good skill. If Slaton and possibly another OL comes on board then UF should be pretty happy with the overall class. The only thing I really see lacking is at DT. If they get the Gady's to flip then Mac has brought in a very respectable haul that fills all the needs, imo. Slaton might also be a candidate to play DT and that would shore up that need along with current top notch DT, Campbell.

Neither the Gady's or Lemons is expected to qualify, so adding them is simply bumping the ranking. Smith is the plan B for Levi Jones heading to FSU. Slaton has been a heavy lean for a while, we need to fend off Kirby. Any way you look at it the class will not be Florida caliber, it may have a few nice players, but it is kinda Chump like with all the ratings coming from the same positions. It is more balanced in #s assuming he lands tow DT not name Gady, but not real balanced in talent. And it does not contain a legit QB at this point unless Toney plays there, so Franks better be the man

 

[Gator Fever]

Look, the class isn't going to be good. That appears abundantly clear from those in the know.

However, you are talking about the two time east winner, 2015 SEC Coach of the Year. That is going to buy you a truckload of faith and goodwill from the admin.

It is certainly reasonable to expect that Strickland will sit down with him after NSD and have a "where are we
heading"- type chat, but anybody who thinks that some seismic coaching shift is imminent based on one poor recruiting class is kidding themselves.

It is going to take SEVERAL underperforming seasons (notwithstanding some catastrophic event) before any change is even considered.

You can either torture yourself by lambasting the guy everyday, or you can try to look for the positive where you can find it, and hope that some real special difference maker player comes from a place we didn't expect.

sadgator is probably somewhere in the middle.

5 losses next season with another crappy offense will have Gator fans in full meltdown

 

[tnole903]

Muschamp was a great recruiter of certain positions. He couldn't balance a roster to save his life. And Mac should send him a thank you for his defensive recruiting, because without it Mac may already be gone.

And the gap between UGa and us is significant, it will catch up with us. I don't think Jimbo is an exceptional coach but right now we can't overcome the talent gap.

Agree 100%. Jimbo is an above average game day guy. He is an elite recruiter and talent eval guy. FSU will always have a puncher's chance as long as Jimbo stays. Kirby has that Muschamp look. Recruits like a demon...doesn't know how to put the pieces together...so far I am not impressed with his game day acumen. But, talent covers a lot of coaching miscues. Look at Dabo. He really, really sucked as a game day guy when he came in, but he is one of the best talent eval guys in the business. His average recruiting class is probably in the low double digits (11-12), but he is great at eval on 2 and 3 star guys. He gathered enough talent, though, to turn in to a serviceable gameday guy. You don;t learn sh*t if you can't bring in talent...you get fired before you get the opportunity.

 

[tnole903]

but anybody who thinks that some seismic coaching shift is imminent based on one poor recruiting class is kidding themselves.

It is going to take SEVERAL underperforming seasons (notwithstanding some catastrophic event) before any change is even considered.
.

If Mac is a guy who does more with less, that would be fine if he were getting a couple more elite level players, but it is not "just one poor recruiting class." Go back and look at the ratings since they started tracking. Florida has never had 3 classes back to back to back like this. I have been following recruiting for over 40 years. Before Spurrier, Florida might have been the most underachieving team in the history of college football, but they brought high quality elite talent ever since I have been following, sans a year or two with the NCAA and the coaching transition classes

 

[sadgator]

If Mac is a guy who does more with less, that would be fine if he were getting a couple more elite level players, but it is not "just one poor recruiting class." Go back and look at the ratings since they started tracking. Florida has never had 3 classes back to back to back like this. I have been following recruiting for over 40 years. Before Spurrier, Florida might have been the most underachieving team in the history of college football, but they brought high quality elite talent ever since I have been following, sans a year or two with the NCAA and the coaching transition classes

Don't get sadgator wrong, he's definitely convinced we have a problem...but the fix is a LONG way off...we didn't even change OC's after this season...that right there tells you everything you need to know...but if you can't try to look at the positive side of things, it's gonna drive you insane because this is going to play out over such a long period of time.

 

[46885]

Look, the class isn't going to be good. That appears abundantly clear from those in the know.

However, you are talking about the two time east winner, 2015 SEC Coach of the Year. That is going to buy you a truckload of faith and goodwill from the admin.

It is certainly reasonable to expect that Strickland will sit down with him after NSD and have a "where are we
heading"- type chat, but anybody who thinks that some seismic coaching shift is imminent based on one poor recruiting class is kidding themselves.

It is going to take SEVERAL underperforming seasons (notwithstanding some catastrophic event) before any change is even considered.

You can either torture yourself by lambasting the guy everyday, or you can try to look for the positive where you can find it, and hope that some real special difference maker player comes from a place we didn't expect.

sadgator is probably somewhere in the middle.

no, if we still can't even compete with our rivals or score a single TD again and get laid out and embarrassed in those games with 5 losses which could easily happen with the defense losing so much talent over two years and still no QB play, it's gonna be a realistic chance he's not around after next year. Florida can't afford it anymore, and it's been 3 bad classes in a row for our standards after next week. The first one won't be blamed on him but it's still happened to the program and made it three not good enough classes that have set us back even more time. Even if he has a good year next year if he still can't recruit it will show up, and it will show up next year and that's why the year won't be good, unless we get something from QB which from the last 7-8 years simply can't be expected in any realm of possibility... That team fielded next year still shows a shit show on offense with less defense from Foley messing up all this time and the new AD will take action and will be forced to for recruiting sake alone and the future with a big time name elite head coach coming in. People hate to hear it, but kiffin and Chip Kelly will be among the names called on

 

[tnole903]

it's gonna be a realistic chance he's not around after next year.

He could go 4-8 next year and I would bet a small fortune nothing is going to happen.

 

[rdgtr]

. Even if he has a good year next year if he still can't recruit it will show up, and it will show up next year and that's why the year won't be good, unless we get something from QB which from the last 7-8 years simply can't be expected in any realm of possibility... That team fielded next year still shows a shit show on offense with less defense from Foley messing up all this time and the new AD will take action and will be forced to for recruiting sake alone and the future with a big time name elite head coach coming in. People hate to hear it, but kiffin and Chip Kelly will be among the names called on

Next season, Florida will have a premier schedule. Just look at the marquee names that Florida will play on its home game schedule:
- Tennessee
- LSU
- Texas A&M
- Florida St

After Florida takes care of Michigan in Dallas, McElwain ought to cast a wide net and invite all of the 5*/4* recruits all over the country and invite them to watch the Gators play in the Swamp. Don't you think that Florida playing all of the above opponents at home will be a big opportunity to showcase the program & brand?

In this past season, Florida only had 5 home games, no big time opponent & hardly any games in the last month of the season. You think that must have played a role in not getting better recruits to visit the campus?

 

[46885]

He could go 4-8 next year and I would bet a small fortune nothing is going to happen.

better keep praying he doesn't go 4-8

 

[sadgator]

Next season, Florida will have a premier schedule. Just look at the marquee names that Florida will play on its home game schedule:
- Tennessee
- LSU
- Texas A&M
- Florida St

After Florida takes care of Michigan in Dallas, McElwain ought to cast a wide net and invite all of the 5*/4* recruits all over the country and invite them to watch the Gators play in the Swamp. Don't you think that Florida playing all of the above opponents at home will be a big opportunity to showcase the program & brand?

In this past season, Florida only had 5 home games, no big time opponent & hardly any games in the last month of the season. You think that must have played a role in not getting better recruits to visit the campus?

Agree the home schedule next year is sick with Foley forcing that LSU deal.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Next season, Florida will have a premier schedule. Just look at the marquee names that Florida will play on its home game schedule:
- Tennessee
- LSU
- Texas A&M
- Florida St

After Florida takes care of Michigan in Dallas, McElwain ought to cast a wide net and invite all of the 5*/4* recruits all over the country and invite them to watch the Gators play in the Swamp. Don't you think that Florida playing all of the above opponents at home will be a big opportunity to showcase the program & brand?

In this past season, Florida only had 5 home games, no big time opponent & hardly any games in the last month of the season. You think that must have played a role in not getting better recruits to visit the campus?

We played FSU at home Mac's firat year with a defense of all NFL top round picks and still got our asses handed to us. Whats changed other than that all the NFL talent is gone. Is Nuss suddenly not going to suck?

 

[46885]

gonna call some tricky toss plays from the one after ramming it up the middle all the way down the field... that the QB can't even accurately hit like it's a throw

 

[kellylexy]

I think UF also gets Stewart, Lemons, and Smith. Some of the sexier picks are already committed, however Mac is going to have a pretty balanced class with solid defenders coupled with some good skill. If Slaton and possibly another OL comes on board then UF should be pretty happy with the overall class. The only thing I really see lacking is at DT. If they get the Gady's to flip then Mac has brought in a very respectable haul that fills all the needs, imo. Slaton might also be a candidate to play DT and that would shore up that need along with current top notch DT, Campbell.

Neither the Gady's or Lemons is expected to qualify, so adding them is simply bumping the ranking. Smith is the plan B for Levi Jones heading to FSU. Slaton has been a heavy lean for a while, we need to fend off Kirby. Any way you look at it the class will not be Florida caliber, it may have a few nice players, but it is kinda Chump like with all the ratings coming from the same positions. It is more balanced in #s assuming he lands tow DT not name Gady, but not real balanced in talent. And it does not contain a legit QB at this point unless Toney plays there, so Franks better be the man

Well, two of the three are now in already just a day after my post. Slaton is still on the radar and he will be a good pickup for either the OL or DL. Slaton provides insurance if the Gaddy's do not qualify ad there becomes a sooner than expected need on the DL. Mac is filling the needs with plenty of blue chippers and good 3* guys that had other offers from FBS schools.

As Sadgator said in a post above and he has a good point....MAc has not even been forced to can any assistants as of yet. The QB depth is still trying to sort itself out due to the shallow recruiting from Muschamp and Grier's stupid decision. Mac will get some time to hold the fort down with what he currently has (LDR or a RS freshman) while the youngsters develop over the next 18 months. If after '18 they do not show much progress on offense then the seat gets pretty warm, imo.

 

[Gator Fever]

Well, two of the three are now in already just a day after my post. Slaton is still on the radar and he will be a good pickup for either the OL or DL. Slaton provides insurance if the Gaddy's do not qualify ad there becomes a sooner than expected need on the DL. Mac is filling the needs with plenty of blue chippers and good 3* guys that had other offers from FBS schools.

As Sadgator said in a post above and he has a good point....MAc has not even been forced to can any assistants as of yet. The QB depth is still trying to sort itself out due to the shallow recruiting from Muschamp and Grier's stupid decision. Mac will get some time to hold the fort down with what he currently has (LDR or a RS freshman) while the youngsters develop over the next 18 months. If after '18 they do not show much progress on offense then the seat gets pretty warm, imo.

Mac needs to 100% be fired if we have 5 losses which will mean Franks or Trask aren't elite talents at QB. He will toally own the offense in 2017 after 2 crappy years prior to that and he will have to live with his recruiting on defense in 2017. He will totally own it and 2 East wins in really down years doesn't mean squat when you aren't even competitive against the top teams.

 

[instaGATOR]

Its all but mathematically impossible for this class to break #12. But you keep telling yourself wverything is fine and the 100th ranked offense and 4 loss seasons are expected and acceptable at UF

While you continue to try to ignore and/or minimize these facts:
~ He was projected to win 5-7 game in 2015, and finish #5 in the SECe.
~ He was projected to win 6-8 games in 2016 and finish #3 in the SECe.
Instead he's 20-8 with B-2-B SECe-C and the 2015 SEC CoY... close
He stomped Iowa 30-3 with 11 of the 22 starters being his recruits, while Iowa beat Mich.

You can pretend to judge the Gator coach by what some recruit ranking service ranks his players, but I'll just stick to what those players accomplish, i.e. 20-8.

Just like the D was supposed to tank with WM's departure. His best D had a #8 in the Nation ranking.
Mc's 1st season was still #8, even with a bunch leaving for the NFL after the 2014 season.
Mc's 2nd season improved to #5, even with a bunch again leaving for the NFL, including 2 1st round DB's. (Hargreaves & Neal)

But even after being flat out WRONG twice already, those genius types are again predicting the Gator D in 2017 will tank. I guess if they predict in over and over and over again, that eventually they might be correct for a season or 2, but we'll have to wait some more to find that out,,,, or not.

While the dweebs continue to focus on, and pin everything on, what some other dweeb ranks Mc's recruiting classes, I'll just stick to my own eyes an Mc's on the field W/L results...

 

[oozie7]

You still haven't produced that link predicting 5 wins and no bowl his first year. Repeating the bullshit over and over doesn't make it true. Must be another patented Insta lie, like how he saw aliens or when he made up recruiting rankings based on his eye test. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[instaGATOR]

You still haven't produced that link predicting 5 wins and no bowl his first year. Repeating the bullshit over and over doesn't make it true. Must be another patented Insta lie, like how he saw aliens or when he made up recruiting rankings based on his eye test. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

While you always answer fully and you also answer every question that's ever been put to you here...

Was Jake Allen the Miami 'Opening' regional MVP, or not?
Are Jake's HS stats better than Clemson's 5 star QB H.Johnson's, or not?
Plus while Hunter plays in Indiana, Jake plays at the 7A level in S.FL.

And you and michi, Gator fraud-fans,,,,,, or yep, never-mind!

 

[Dannygator1989]

And you and michi, Gator fraud-fans,,,,,, or yep, never-mind!

What makes you think they're frauds?