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Coach Summers making excuses?

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From 2010 to 2012, the Gators only signed two players at the position in each class and three of those six linemen transferred from Florida.

That three-year stretch of recruiting decimated Florida’s O-line depth, and it has taken four cycles to get the numbers back up.
“Numbers were just in really bad shape,” said Gators offensive line coach Mike Summers, who was hired in January of 2014.

Summers signed six linemen in that 2014 class, and Florida brought in five the year before. Those signees should have solved the problem, but didn’t. Two of them were junior college transfers in Drew Sarvary and Trenton Brown. Sarvary suffered a career-ending injury as did Octavious Jackson, Nolan Kelleher and Roderick Johnson.

Travaris Dorsey and Trevon Young also transferred, so six of those 11 signees from 2013 and 2014 did not last with the Gators. In the last two years, nine linemen have been signed by Florida, which put the roster back up to 15.
“It’s been a long climb. A long, hard climb,” Summers said. “Losing all those guys that we lost in ’14, juniors in that group as well. There were a string of medical redshirts that came through here my first year and the year before, and it just left us so short. So we’re gradually building our way back to where we’ve at least got depth.

“Certainly we need every year to improve our talent level as we go forward, but we’re on that road, that climb back now. I think we do have some bodies to work with and some guys that are in there developing right now as we go forward. Certainly most of those guys that we’ve had in the last year, year and a half, those guys are really young and really inexperienced.”
Five underclassmen have started on the offensive line this year. That youth has been evident through the four games. The unit’s play is still problematic and inconsistent because of the lack of development and readiness of Florida’s linemen.

All 15 should return in 2017. This season as well as as spring practices and the offseason strength program will pay dividends for them next fall. However, the Gators need to continue recruiting to add talent at the position................
 
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Excuses - there is no reason for Johnson and Ivey to be so mentally confused out there missing their assignments at the Guard position. Other teams have sophomores starting that seem to have the fundamentals down way better. We have 2 blue chippers on our line and other teams have no blue chippers and youth also but their young linemen seem to have the mental part down a lot better.

The one exception is Taylor who is doing really well for a True Freshman.
 
He's not wrong about the lack of bodies and lack of depth. But his inability to recruit is also a big part of the problem. Which is why we didn't get the numbers Mac said he wanted last year and why we likely won't reach our goal this year either.
 
He's not wrong about the lack of bodies and lack of depth. But his inability to recruit is also a big part of the problem. Which is why we didn't get the numbers Mac said he wanted last year and why we likely won't reach our goal this year either.

My main problem is with our starters right now. The one that wasn't a starter and is a true freshman may be playing about the best right now. I guess in Summmers defense one could argue Johnson is a train wreck because he got switched to Guard but he wasnt excelling at Tackle either. Ivey whiffs a lot still at Guard but I do think his natural position is Tackle. We are missing Jordan a lot - the kid isn't really great at anything but you hardly ever see him having the mental mistakes the other ones do.
 
Your comment about Jordan makes no sense. The team is missing him a lot but he isn't great at anything??
 
He's not wrong about the lack of bodies and lack of depth. But his inability to recruit is also a big part of the problem. Which is why we didn't get the numbers Mac said he wanted last year and why we likely won't reach our goal this year either.
Isn't Summers...and all coaches responsible for an area and not necessarily a position. I know they pick targets they want and speak heavily when those players visit but I still thought they were responsible for certain regions of the country.
 
I will say depth is still young. Most major programs redshirt their interior lineman (both OL and DL) and rarely start RS Fr less long true freshmen...yes I know the exceptions.

I remember under the Meyer regime his staff rarely redshirted non injured players. Except interior linemen and occasionally QB's.
 
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Your comment about Jordan makes no sense. The team is missing him a lot but he isn't great at anything??

He almost always blocks the right guy and doesnt get confused like the others but he isnt the strongest guy out there as far as pushing defenders.
 
The strength thing will come. Again having so much youth on the line as a whole I think is the issue...It will take time to gain strength for the younger guys.
 
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The strength thing will come. Again having so much youth on the line as a whole I think is the issue...It will take time to gain strength for the younger guys.

I wish all of them came in as strong as Taylor but you dont get that too often. We got a steal on him due to his weight issue.
 
Isn't Summers...and all coaches responsible for an area and not necessarily a position. I know they pick targets they want and speak heavily when those players visit but I still thought they were responsible for certain regions of the country.

Yes. Usually what happens is coaches recruit a certain area and establish relationships with players, then the head coach and position coach gets involved. But he apparently doesn't hit the trail hardly at all. That's been the word dating back to when Muschamp hired him.
 
But until that time and strength comes...we will need Jordan.

You seem a little too eager to write off Jordan, who turned 19 just a few months ago, in favor of the "younger" guys. Multiple schools, including Ohio St & Penn St, tried to flip him after Muschamp was fired, and all the way up until 1-2 weeks before NSD, and he was loyal to UF. Those other schools, as well as Muschamp and McElwain wanted him, and he was selected as a UA All-American, for a reason, and his best football is still ahead of him.
 
You seem a little too eager to write off Jordan, who turned 19 just a few months ago, in favor of the "younger" guys. Multiple schools, including Ohio St & Penn St, tried to flip him after Muschamp was fired, and all the way up until 1-2 weeks before NSD, and he was loyal to UF. Those other schools, as well as Muschamp and McElwain wanted him, and he was selected as a UA All-American, for a reason, and his best football is still ahead of him.
You seem a little too eager to write off Jordan, who turned 19 just a few months ago, in favor of the "younger" guys. Multiple schools, including Ohio St & Penn St, tried to flip him after Muschamp was fired, and all the way up until 1-2 weeks before NSD, and he was loyal to UF. Those other schools, as well as Muschamp and McElwain wanted him, and he was selected as a UA All-American, for a reason, and his best football is still ahead of him.


Either you interpreted what I said wrong or I typed it wrong. I'll admit I'm guilty of typing wrong in the past.

We need Jordan. With our youth on the OL we need any experience and strength we can get. I hope he returns soon.
 
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Yes. Usually what happens is coaches recruit a certain area and establish relationships with players, then the head coach and position coach gets involved. But he apparently doesn't hit the trail hardly at all. That's been the word dating back to when Muschamp hired him.

Not trying to argue, just trying to get clarification. You are saying that not only is Summers not a good position coach, but he doesn't recruit his regions well?


I use to follow recruiting hard back in the early part of this century. After keeping track of my own two teenagers plus a toodler, I gave up that hobby of taking the word of some 18 year olds seeking attention as well as quit reading the homers reports of these "guru's" so I honestly don't know who is and isn't our good recruiting coaches.
 
Not trying to argue, just trying to get clarification. You are saying that not only is Summers not a good position coach, but he doesn't recruit his regions well?

I use to follow recruiting hard back in the early part of this century. After keeping track of my own two teenagers plus a toodler, I gave up that hobby of taking the word of some 18 year olds seeking attention as well as quit reading the homers reports of these "guru's" so I honestly don't know who is and isn't our good recruiting coaches.

Somebody in the 'know,' please tell me something about OG Brandon Sandifer.
Is he a complete moron that can't learn the blocking scheme, or is it that he doesn't 'fit in' with the others on the current OL? (I'd still give him some time at RG, what's to lose there?)

OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 323 rsFr - Warner Robins, Ga
Named Class 5A All-State First Team as a senior… Won the Class 5A State Championship as a senior and led team to a 14-1 record… Northside was 10-2 during his junior year… Played for Coach Kevin Kinsler… Also played basketball in high school. (should indicate that he can run-move)
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On Gator OL coach Mike Summers:
UF 2014-16
UK 2010-12
Ark 2008-09
Atlanta Falcons 2007
2003-06 UL
2001-02 Ohio
See his Bio for all 36 years coaching experience.

~ He has 36 years of experience,
primarily coaching the OL, but with 15 years as an OC.
~ Under Summer’s direction in 2015, the Gator OL helped produce the Gator’s 9th 1,000-yard rusher in program history.
~ The Gators started the same 5 OL'men (Cam Dillard, Mason Halter, Antonio Riles, David Sharpe, Trip Thurman) at the same 5 positions in their 1st 6 games of last season, marking the 1st time since 2008 they achieved such continuity.
~ In his 1st season at UF, the OL was one of the most consistent groups on the squad. The unit allowed just 16 sacks on the season, 3rd-fewest in the SEC.
~ The UF offense averaged 187.7 rushing yards per game, topping the 200 yard mark 5 times in 12 games. Against Georgia, the Gators rushed for 418 yards against a defense that had previously allowed just 105.1 yards per game.

* In 2006, his UL OL paved the way for the Cardinals offense, ranking 2nd nationally (475.3), 7th in passing (290.0) and 12th in rushing (185.3). Three of his linemen (Renardo Foster, Kurt Quarterman and George Bussey) were All-Big East 1st-team picks.

* He helped lead an Ark offense that ranked 1st in the SEC in scoring in 2009 and won the 2010 AutoZone Liberty Bowl. He coached OC Jonathan Luigs, a 2008 Rimington Trophy finalist, and Mitch Petrus, a 2009 1st-Team All-SEC selection – both of whom went on to play in the NFL.
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** At UF, he coached OG MAX GARCIA – As a senior in 2014, he was named 2nd-Team All-SEC in his 1st-ever season playing OC. Garcia was named to the Rimington Trophy Watch List and earned an invitation to the Senior Bowl and the NFL Combine.

OL Todd Peat (11th) – Northern Illinois ’87 – St. Louis Cardinals
OL Dan Graham (UFA) – Northern Illinois ’88 – Tampa Bay Bucs
OL Ted Karamanos (UFA) – Northern Illinois ’88 – Washington Redskins
OL Fletcher Keister (UFA) – Oregon State ’93 – Houston Oilers
OL Ali Kalaniuvalu (3rd) – Oregon State ’94 – Atlanta Falcons
OL Jason Spitz (3rd) – Louisville ’06 – Green Bay Packers
OL Renardo Foster (UFA) – Louisville ’07 – Atlanta Falcons
OL Travis Leffew (UFA) – Louisville ’07 – Kansas City Chiefs
OL Kurt Quarterman (UFA) – Louisville ’07 – Atlanta Falcons
OL Breno Giacomini (5th) – Louisville ’08 – Green Bay Packers
OL George Bussey (5th) – Louisville ’09 – Green Bay Packers
OL Eric Wood (1st) – Louisville ’09 – Buffalo Bills
OL Jonathan Luigs (4th) – Arkansas ’09 – Cincinnati Bengals
OL Mitch Petrus (5th) – Arkansas ’10 – New York Giants
OL Max Tuerk (3rd) – Southern Cal ’15 – San Diego Chargers
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OL Trip Thurman (UFA) – Florida ’15 – Cincinnati Bengals
OL Max Garcia (4th) - Florida '16 - Denver Broncos
OL Chaz Green (3rd) - Florida 16 - Dallas Cowboys
OL D.J. Humphries (1st) - Florida 16 - Arizona Cardinals

Recruiting: Rebuilding both the depth and the size.

2017 - OT Kadeem Telfort 6-6 323 **** (so far)

2016 - RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340 *** (starter as tFr)
LT Stone Forsythe 6-7 329 ***
OC Brett Heggie 6-3 317 ****

2015 - LT/LG Martez Ivey 6-5 305 *****
RG/OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 **** (started as a tFr)
RT/RG Fred Johnson 6-6 311 *** (started as a tFr)
OG Nick Buchanan 6-2 301 ***
OG Richerd Disir-Jones 6-4 292 ***
OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 323 ***
OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308 *** (xfer-rs, FL 6A 1st Team All State)

Transition -- Musclecramp fired - McElwain hired
Summers was the only coach that Mc kept on,,, I'm glad he kept him.

2014 - LT David Sharpe 6-5 357 *****
LG Kavaris Harkless 6-5 310 ****
OT Andrew Mike 6-6 301 ***

No longer on the team...
~ OT Nolan Kelleher 6-6 285 ****
~ OG Travaris Dorsey 6-3 314 ***
~ OT Drew Sarvary 6-7 310 ***
 
Not trying to argue, just trying to get clarification. You are saying that not only is Summers not a good position coach, but he doesn't recruit his regions well?


I use to follow recruiting hard back in the early part of this century. After keeping track of my own two teenagers plus a toodler, I gave up that hobby of taking the word of some 18 year olds seeking attention as well as quit reading the homers reports of these "guru's" so I honestly don't know who is and isn't our good recruiting coaches.

Apparently he's a good technical coach which was the justification given for his meh recruiting. But idk. His units have never been good here though that obviously isn't all his fault.
 
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