Catholicism vs. Protestantism.

[kjfreeze]

@BSC911 I have a true story that has recently happened to my nephew and his wife. Ironically, they are Catholic because of me. It's just they've let life get in the way of their commitment to going to Mass on a regular basis. In fact, they simply stopped praying as well. Yet, if asked about their faith and belief in God, they'd proclaim it from the rooftops. Just recently his wife had a mammogram and they found a pea-sized lesion and did a biopsy to see if it was cancer. He called me for prayer. We prayed and talked a lot. We talked about how events like this turn our eyes to God in desperation. Fortunately, the spot was only a scarring of some kind and not malignancy. The point here is that his attention was driven to God not the Church. God was his answer. God is his savior. God is his everything. He bypassed the Church. What would the Church had done except to pray to God. So, your concept of salvation outside the Church and the Catholic Church is the one-true Church is bunk. The bottom line is simple. It's all about Jesus. He is our focus, not living out the many rules handed down by the Church. Looking to the Cross is what it's about. Period. You can keep playing these "gotcha" games all you want but in the end it's all about Jesus. You see, I was exactly where you are now many years ago. I fought against this group called Former Catholics For Christ https://formercatholicsforchrist.com/ for a long time but it was like hitting my head against the wall. All the things you are saying today on this thread are arguments I made to not only this group but others as well. I swelled my feathers like a peacock proudly defending the Catholic Church. Hmmm.... Ironic.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Wasn't the $1.6 trillion give-a-way to billionaires in Trump's tax cuts redistribution of wealth?

Did the middle class not benefit from the tax decrease?

I’m not going to pump economics into this thread but if you’d like to start a new thread then by all means, have at it bud.

 

[BSC911]

This is another reason I choose not to be an active Catholic.
GOD is our leader. Not a human with an agenda that isn't part of Catholic dogma.

The Catholic Church doesn’t place the Pope over God. That’s silly. Only that he and his bishops dictate Dogma, known as the Magisterium. And yes, he has that authority.

 

[BSC911]

I'm not rich, you clown. And the Church is one of the wealthiest entities on earth. What treasures are they liquidating in order to remedy "starving" ????
Your numbers are so inflated.

Good catch. I will correct the percentages. But wealth inequality Is growing and history has shown this can become an impetus for revolution. Many economists agree that it’s unhealthy.

The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world.

 

[BSC911]

@BSC911 I have a true story that has recently happened to my nephew and his wife. Ironically, they are Catholic because of me. It's just they've let life get in the way of their commitment to going to Mass on a regular basis. In fact, they simply stopped praying as well. Yet, if asked about their faith and belief in God, they'd proclaim it from the rooftops. Just recently his wife had a mammogram and they found a pea-sized lesion and did a biopsy to see if it was cancer. He called me for prayer. We prayed and talked a lot. We talked about how events like this turn our eyes to God in desperation. Fortunately, the spot was only a scarring of some kind and not malignancy. The point here is that his attention was driven to God not the Church. God was his answer. God is his savior. God is his everything. He bypassed the Church. What would the Church had done except to pray to God. So, your concept of salvation outside the Church and the Catholic Church is the one-true Church is bunk. The bottom line is simple. It's all about Jesus. He is our focus, not living out the many rules handed down by the Church. Looking to the Cross is what it's about. Period. You can keep playing these "gotcha" games all you want but in the end it's all about Jesus. You see, I was exactly where you are now many years ago. I fought against this group called Former Catholics For Christ https://formercatholicsforchrist.com/ for a long time but it was like hitting my head against the wall. All the things you are saying today on this thread are arguments I made to not only this group but others as well. I swelled my feathers like a peacock proudly defending the Catholic Church. Hmmm.... Ironic.

That’s nice. Really.

I actually have no problems with non Catholics, but when you call me a Catholic in name only, then you deserve my ire.

 

[BSC911]

Isn’t Communism by definition the redistribution of wealth?

Somewhat. But obviously there are degrees. Any progressive tax system could be considered a redistribution of wealth, yet no reasonable person would suggest every person pay the same amount of taxes.

You can take care of the needy without taking away all personal property.

 

[BSC911]

Did the middle class not benefit from the tax decrease?

I’m not going to pump economics into this thread but if you’d like to start a new thread then by all means, have at it bud.

Not to the same extent as Trump and his friends. And was a significant contributor to the increase in the deficit. Tax cuts should be saved for recessions when they are needed to stimulate the economy. It’s not a bottomless pit.

 

[BSC911]

IMO, Pope Francis is NOT a communist. However, he is a full-on socialist and has some very anti-capitalist views. He’s working on steering the Church into conformity with the UN globalist agenda.

He made a comment in one of his encyclicals to the effect “God has ordained the multiplicity of religions”, and has enthusiastically signed on to the Abu Dhabi proposal to build a Jewish temple, a Mosque, and a Church of identical design; essentially implying all three faiths have much in common when in reality they don’t.

Then there was his disastrous Amazonian Syond, complete with bringing idols into the Vatican.

If people were flocking to join / rejoin the Catholic Faith because of Pooe Francis and his spiritual leadership, I would certainly give him the credit. However, he has made comments that Catholics / Christians should refrain from evangelizing indigenous peoples, among other errors.

I just think he’s been a disaster for the church. I’m sure God has a plan and a purpose for his papacy, but I struggle to see what it is.

I don’t disagree. I’m just a stickler for accuracy and calling him a communist is just absurd. I agree that He certainly has a socialist bent. I understand his concern for the poor, which is obviously in Scripture, but I don’t look to him for economic guidance, only moral ones.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Not to the same extent as Trump and his friends. And was a significant contributor to the increase in the deficit. Tax cuts should be saved for recessions when they are needed to stimulate the economy. It’s not a bottomless pit.

The problem is with the added income, the government likes to kick the van down the road and spend the additional money upfront on new bills. For example, the monstrosity that is going to get passed.

 

[kjfreeze]

Good catch. I will correct the percentages. But wealth inequality Is growing and history has shown this can become an impetus for revolution. Many economists agree that it’s unhealthy.

The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world.

And the largest hoarder of wealth.

 

[BSC911]

And the largest hoarder of wealth.

The largest? I doubt that.

 

[BSC911]

The problem is with the added income, the government likes to kick the van down the road and spend the additional money upfront on new bills. For example, the monstrosity that is going to get passed.

Exactly. We need some fiscal discipline, and targeted help only for those that truly need it. Not politicians trying to win favor by outdoing either other on how much they can give away.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I guess you could call it that. I believe there was high civilization before the flood. I think science definitely proves that a series of catastrophes befell our planet about 12,500 years ago. I can’t definitively say something like Atlantis or Lemuria existed but I do think civilization was advanced perhaps even in some ways beyond what we are today.
I think the great pyramids served a FAR greater purpose than as the tombs for pharaohs lie that is claimed today.
The idea that a Bronze Age civilization like the Egyptians could’ve built the pyramids is laughable at best. Bronze is an extremely soft metal. And yet they managed to quarry millions of tons of quartz and granite with it?! That is physically impossible. Its like saying you cut down a forest of red woods with a plastic knife.

Thanks for posting about the Emerald tablets of Thoth. I had never heard of them, but they are interesting.

The translation I found seems to treat Atlantis as if it is a was literal historical place. Plato invented Atlantis as an allegory for his dialogues. It was later that people started to interpret it as a real event, but it is unlikely to have been real—at least as Plato described it.

Bronze is not that soft. And the quarry was likely grounded and chiseled rather than cut. Also, people had iron tools during the bronze age. It was just extremely rare and valuable, like aluminum before we understood how to extract it economically. Iron daggers were owned by Pharoahs, possibly made from meteorites.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The oldest buildings

Actually, man is inherently evil. Ever notice how one migrates toward the bad things in life as opposed to the good things in life? We do good, yes, but think back as a child. It was fun to do bad and difficult to do good. Look around you now in this world. The good people do have to be forced into society. It's like good goes against the grain.

I don’t know. I think it’s fair to say that man is inherently selfish, and we have to learn to play fair. But, to me, evil is more than selfishness.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Wasn't the $1.6 trillion give-a-way to billionaires in Trump's tax cuts redistribution of wealth?

It wasn't. Redistribution means taking from one group and giving to another. Like when the government takes from Americans and gives to Pakistan for gender studies.

Which you dems think is a great idea.

 

[kjfreeze]

The oldest buildings


I don’t know. I think it’s fair to say that man is inherently selfish, and we have to learn to play fair. But, to me, evil is more than selfishness.

Selfish is evil also.

 

[Billabong4356]

Thanks for posting about the Emerald tablets of Thoth. I had never heard of them, but they are interesting.

The translation I found seems to treat Atlantis as if it is a was literal historical place. Plato invented Atlantis as an allegory for his dialogues. It was later that people started to interpret it as a real event, but it is unlikely to have been real—at least as Plato described it.

Bronze is not that soft. And the quarry was likely grounded and chiseled rather than cut. Also, people had iron tools during the bronze age. It was just extremely rare and valuable, like aluminum before we understood how to extract it economically. Iron daggers were owned by Pharoahs, possibly made from meteorites.

Bronze is a 3.5 of the Mohs Hardness Scale granite and quartz are 7. Each single digit increase in the scale is 10x harder. So granite and quartz are upwards of 1000x harder than bronze. And the quarry was thousands of miles away.
I’m to believe that after quarrying minerals 1000x harder than their tools they dragged millions of tons of granite and quartz back to the plateau? There are no trees in the desert so please don’t try and say they built barges and sent them up the Nile.

 

[BSC911]

Selfish is evil also.

Wrong. Thats the entire basis of capitalism. See Adam Smith.

Now who's the commie.

 

[Billabong4356]

Thanks for posting about the Emerald tablets of Thoth. I had never heard of them, but they are interesting.

The translation I found seems to treat Atlantis as if it is a was literal historical place. Plato invented Atlantis as an allegory for his dialogues. It was later that people started to interpret it as a real event, but it is unlikely to have been real—at least as Plato described it.

Bronze is not that soft. And the quarry was likely grounded and chiseled rather than cut. Also, people had iron tools during the bronze age. It was just extremely rare and valuable, like aluminum before we understood how to extract it economically. Iron daggers were owned by Pharoahs, possibly made from meteorites.

Speaking of Plato his stories were passed down to him from Egypt. Everything the Greek civilization did they did standing on the shoulders of the Egyptians. Also, platos date for the disappearance of Atlantis was about 9500 BC which lines up nicely with the scientific proof of the cataclysms that struck the planet during that time.

 

[kjfreeze]

Wrong. Thats the entire basis of capitalism. See Adam Smith.

Now who's the commie.

So capitalism = communism?

 

[BSC911]

So capitalism = communism?

Huh? Reread what i said in response to your post. If you still can't figure it out, I'll explain it to you.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Speaking of Plato his stories were passed down to him from Egypt. Everything the Greek civilization did they did standing on the shoulders of the Egyptians. Also, platos date for the disappearance of Atlantis was about 9500 BC which lines up nicely with the scientific proof of the cataclysms that struck the planet during that time.

Yeah, but where was it?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Wrong. Thats the entire basis of capitalism.

Selfishness is the entire basis of capitalism?

Control is the entire basis of indoctrination.

 

[Billabong4356]

Yeah, but where was it?

Great question! No clue! The most interesting theory I’ve studied is that it didn’t sink necessarily. There is evidence that the cataclysms of 12,500 years ago completely shifted the axis of the earth throwing Atlantis out of its tropical climate and into a much harsher frozen climate. Today we call it Antarctica. Not sure if that’s the answer. But it’s a great topic to study. See Graham Hancock’s various books on the topic. He’s been tackling it for years now. You could also listen to any of the times he’s been on Joe Rogan for a synopsis of his research.

 

[Billabong4356]

The globalists and powers that be certainly seem to have an affinity for Antarctica. As did Hitler and the 3rd Reich. But why?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Bronze is a 3.5 of the Mohs Hardness Scale granite and quartz are 7. Each single digit increase in the scale is 10x harder. So granite and quartz are upwards of 1000x harder than bronze. And the quarry was thousands of miles away.
I’m to believe that after quarrying minerals 1000x harder than their tools they dragged millions of tons of granite and quartz back to the plateau? There are no trees in the desert so please don’t try and say they built barges and sent them up the Nile.

I think the current theory is that they actually used some kind of ancient version of cement. Also, are the pyramids made of granite and quartz? I though they were mostly limestone.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Great question! No clue! The most interesting theory I’ve studied is that it didn’t sink necessarily. There is evidence that the cataclysms of 12,500 years ago completely shifted the axis of the earth throwing Atlantis out of its tropical climate and into a much harsher frozen climate. Today we call it Antarctica. Not sure if that’s the answer. But it’s a great topic to study. See Graham Hancock’s various books on the topic. He’s been tackling it for years now. You could also listen to any of the times he’s been on Joe Rogan for a synopsis of his research.

Hmmmm......I thought the best case guess was either in the caribbean or the mediterrean sea? I remember seeing a show, probably on the History Channel or PBS, where they found roads underwater in the caribbean that they thought might have been leading to Atlantis.

Also, there was a city they unearthed that was buried in pumice from a volcano explosion, and I believe the city was a couple thousand years old. Whatever the age was, they were shocked to find all the houses in the city had indoor plumbing, which wasn't known to exist anywhere in the world at the time. So I think that city was put down as a candidate for being Atlantis.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Great question! No clue! The most interesting theory I’ve studied is that it didn’t sink necessarily. There is evidence that the cataclysms of 12,500 years ago completely shifted the axis of the earth throwing Atlantis out of its tropical climate and into a much harsher frozen climate. Today we call it Antarctica. Not sure if that’s the answer. But it’s a great topic to study. See Graham Hancock’s various books on the topic. He’s been tackling it for years now. You could also listen to any of the times he’s been on Joe Rogan for a synopsis of his research.

I sounds like you are referring to the Adam and Eve Story, which was a theory that contents of the Earth’s core suddenly shifted, causing the Earth’s crust to rapidly slide to a new position resulting in hypertornadic wind speeds and massive tsunamis, shredding civilization.

It’s an interesting theory, but I don’t think sudden shifts like that are possible, outside of colossal impact events or science fiction visits from Planet X.

The cataclysms you refer to may have been the Younger Dryas event, which happened around that time and caused rapid global cooling. But even that took decades to take affect.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Hmmmm......I thought the best case guess was either in the caribbean or the mediterrean sea? I remember seeing a show, probably on the History Channel or PBS, where they found roads underwater in the caribbean that they thought might have been leading to Atlantis.

Also, there was a city they unearthed that was buried in pumice from a volcano explosion, and I believe the city was a couple thousand years old. Whatever the age was, they were shocked to find all the houses in the city had indoor plumbing, which wasn't known to exist anywhere in the world at the time. So I think that city was put down as a candidate for being Atlantis.

Pompeii?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The globalists and powers that be certainly seem to have an affinity for Antarctica. As did Hitler and the 3rd Reich. But why?

It may be practically uninhabitable, but Antarctica could have valuable mineral or oil deposits. Valuable things are often found in the least hospitable places.

 

[LizardGrad89]

If you want to compare Christian religions. don't forget the one that Catholicism splintered off from, the Eastern Orthodox Church.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Pompeii?

Ummmm.....I don't think so, but maybe. I'll have to check it out and see if I can find the instance I'm talking about.

Now that I think about it, I do think it was a History Channel show, because I think the whole thrust of the show was that they had identified a few spots that were likely Atlantis. This was one of them, the spot in the carribbean was another.

 

[Billabong4356]

I think the current theory is that they actually used some kind of ancient version of cement. Also, are the pyramids made of granite and quartz? I though they were mostly limestone.

They were finished it with limestone casing so it would be all white on the exterior and a homing beacon seeing as it’s a 400+ foot all white pyramid in the desert. The core structure was quartz and granite. I’ve read up on your cement idea before. Some think they essentially made it out of a geopolymer. However, this would’ve required them to essentially have a high tech vibrational tool that could turn quartz and granite into dust. We have no such thing today. So if that theory is correct. It just further proves my point that the builders were more advanced than we are today.

 

[Billabong4356]

Hmmmm......I thought the best case guess was either in the caribbean or the mediterrean sea? I remember seeing a show, probably on the History Channel or PBS, where they found roads underwater in the caribbean that they thought might have been leading to Atlantis.

Also, there was a city they unearthed that was buried in pumice from a volcano explosion, and I believe the city was a couple thousand years old. Whatever the age was, they were shocked to find all the houses in the city had indoor plumbing, which wasn't known to exist anywhere in the world at the time. So I think that city was put down as a candidate for being Atlantis.

That’s in Bimini in the Bahamas. I’ve dove it a few times. It’s called Bimini road. In all likelihood all great cities tens of thousands of years ago were like today. All built near the coast or a body of water. The cataclysms of 12,500 years ago resulted in sea levels rising 400 feet essentially overnight. So who knows how many cities were drowned overnight.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

That’s in Bimini in the Bahamas. I’ve dove it a few times. It’s called Bimini road.

Yes! I think that's what I'm thinking of.

 

[Billabong4356]

It may be practically uninhabitable, but Antarctica could have valuable mineral or oil deposits. Valuable things are often found in the least hospitable places.

That’s possible. But it’s all very hush hush still. If they’re just mining for ore why all the cloak and dagger secrecy?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

If you want to compare Christian religions. don't forget the one that Catholicism splintered off from, the Eastern Orthodox Church.

I don’t have a horse in this race, but I’ve long felt that the claims that the Roman Catholic church is the one, true, apostolic church loses some steam when you consider that it was the Western church that excommunicated the Eastern church, effectively starting the great schism. I guess catholics would argue that it doesn’t matter due to papal primacy.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

That’s possible. But it’s all very hush hush still. If they’re just mining for ore why all the cloak and dagger secrecy?

If Country A has reason to believe that that a huge deposit of unobtainium that exists 100 meters below the ice, why would they announce it? It would make more sense to keep it on the DL so other countries don’t find out. Most national claims in Antarctica are disputed, so announcing a valuable discovery from the rooftops would be inadvisable.

 

[Billabong4356]

If Country A has reason to believe that that a huge deposit of unobtainium that exists 100 meters below the ice, why would they announce it? It would make more sense to keep it on the DL so other countries don’t find out. Most national claims in Antarctica are disputed, so announcing a valuable discovery from the rooftops would be inadvisable.

Quite possible. Admiral Byrd certainly took quite the military force for his “expedition” post WW2 to find out that the Germans had been up to down there.

 

[goldmom]

The Catholic Church doesn’t place the Pope over God. That’s silly. Only that he and his bishops dictate Dogma, known as the Magisterium. And yes, he has that authority.

The Church gives him that authority.