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Catholicism vs. Protestantism.

I went through Catholic School and have zero interest in participating in this discussion.
I just know that God came to me one night in a dream and told me since I survived Sister Brendan and Sister Thomas Joseph I was going to heaven so don't worry about earthly religion.

Oh, and Popes are only infallible when speaking of morals and Catholic dogma. So Francis is a communist just being a communist when he's telling us about social justice, etc.
I gave you a like even though I’ve already proven that Francis is not a communist. Communists outlawed the Catholic Church since it infringed upon their authority.
 
I understand your driving concept here. May the whole Christian concept be a fabrication and a copy of previous historical eras? All I can say is Christ was an historical reality. He existed. He lived. He died. He rose again. He was witnessed by thousands to be resurrected. That is irrefutable historical fact.

I for one have had many days of doubt. When it occurs I have to ask myself where we came from, how was the universe formed, how is it that we are on a planet at the exact distance from the sun to sustain life, where and how did life occur in the first place, how did it all come about beyond evolution. And not only humans, but all these different species of animal life, microscopic organisms, plants of all kinds. How did it come about that we are sustained by the air we breathe and the water and food we drink. I mean, the human body itself is so remarkable only God could have created it. Those concepts take me back and I have to say to God, "I do believe. Help my unbelief."
Ah, the old God of the Gaps argument. I knew that was coming.
 
I gave you a like even though I’ve already proven that Francis is not a communist. Communists outlawed the Catholic Church since it infringed upon their authority.
Francis is not a good pope. Isn't it crazy how even in the circle of Catholicism you have strong devoted Catholics who dedicate their lives to living out their faith who detest Francis, and then you have the Catholics-by-name-only who choose to go to Mass and confession "whenever" and don't actually live-out their faith who think he's great. Which side do you choose? I already know because you love him. Therefore, I would suggest that you are a Catholic-by-name-only. It's a challenge to go all-in and devote yourself, your whole life, to your faith. It is then you choose to dedicate yourself 100% to Him.
 
Francis is not a good pope. Isn't it crazy how even in the circle of Catholicism you have strong devoted Catholics who dedicate their lives to living out their faith who detest Francis, and then you have the Catholics-by-name-only who choose to go to Mass and confession "whenever" and don't actually live-out their faith who think he's great. Which side do you choose? I already know because you love him. Therefore, I would suggest that you are a Catholic-by-name-only. It's a challenge to go all-in and devote yourself, your whole life, to your faith. It is then you choose to dedicate yourself 100% to Him.
And again, I don’t really care what a fallen Catholic thinks I am. You have no say in the matter.

Do I think Francis is “great?” No better than any of the other Popes. He is the leader of the One True Church. That’s all that matters.
 
The answer is unknown, but your argument is a logical fallacy.
Yes, the first part of your answer is true - it's unknown and I showed it as such. Even JPII stated such. He never declared it as factual, so your attempt to prove a "logical fallacy" suggests you are claiming I am wrong and simply want to take the high ground. I mentioned before you can never be wrong because you are narcissist and can't say these three words: I WAS WRONG. Can't you ever see your ignorance here?
 
No, but at least I understand what a communist is. Anyone that thinks that, including your sister, is an idiot. Sorry.
And my sister, who as a Catholic is praying with her prayer group every single day the 4 mysteries of the rosary, who goes to Mass daily and confession weekly and offers up prayers daily is an idiot? I think not. I know she wouldn't call you an idiot - she'd just pray for you. Me, on the other hand - yes, I call you an idiot.
 
And again, I don’t really care what a fallen Catholic thinks I am. You have no say in the matter.

Do I think Francis is “great?” No better than any of the other Popes. He is the leader of the One True Church. That’s all that matters.
Explain to me why I am a fallen Catholic? Explain to me why you think I no longer am a part of a cult?
 
And again, I don’t really care what a fallen Catholic thinks I am. You have no say in the matter.

Do I think Francis is “great?” No better than any of the other Popes. He is the leader of the One True Church. That’s all that matters.
Explain how "YOUR ONE TRUE CHURCH" saves you? I just killed your Eucharist concept. But of course, you didn't read it, and if you did I'm sure you did with blind, narcissistic eyes.
 
Explain how "YOUR ONE TRUE CHURCH" saves you? I just killed your Eucharist concept. But of course, you didn't read it, and if you did I'm sure you did with blind, narcissistic eyes.
I read it. I even gave you a like for the post. Although it was late and I fell asleep halfway through your missive.

And no, you didn’t kill the Eucharist concept. Like a lot of Protestants, you merely selectively chose certain sections and gave your OPINION on what it meant. Here’s an example.

“Oh man, can you imagine the looks on these people’s faces?! Really? Eat His flesh? Ah, but this is where the Catholic might say, “See there? This is the Eucharist that Jesus speaks of.” But not so fast. I believe it is here that Jesus isn’t speaking of the Eucharist but of an event that hasn’t yet occurred but must occur: His passion – His death on the Cross so those who believe can have eternal life.”

Thats one of the major problems with Protestan sects. There is no consistency. Anyone can call themself a Reverend, pitch a tent, and start speaking for God. Not in the Catholic Church. Starting at the beginning, We have centuries of scholarly thought and a process for our dogma. People like Ignatius, Aquinas, More, Chesterton, Benedict and all the Popes. You have people like Joel Osteen And Benny Hinn.

You are now just one of a thousand different Christian interpretations. Talk about being a narcissist.
 
Explain to me why I am a fallen Catholic? Explain to me why you think I no longer am a part of a cult?

You left the Church, for whatever reason. Simple as that. You now subscribe to a different dogma, no longer able to receive theSacrament of the Eucharist. Lucky for you, It’s not too late to change your misguided ways.
 
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And my sister, who as a Catholic is praying with her prayer group every single day the 4 mysteries of the rosary, who goes to Mass daily and confession weekly and offers up prayers daily is an idiot? I think not. I know she wouldn't call you an idiot - she'd just pray for you. Me, on the other hand - yes, I call you an idiot.
She sounds like a good Catholic, but is not very intelligent if she thinks the Pope is a communist.

Where has he called for private property to be abolished
where has he called for the elimination of capitalism
where has he called for the end of democratically elected leaders
where has he called for the leader of the communist party to have ultimate control over the people
where has he called for such leader to ban the Catholic and other religions
 
I gave you a like even though I’ve already proven that Francis is not a communist. Communists outlawed the Catholic Church since it infringed upon their authority.
OMG. Not in Francis's country. He grew up being educated by the very liberal priests who were socialists and Communists. It shaped him and formed him. He's not Russian, or Chinese. He's a South American version.
You go ahead and blindly follow him, though.
 
You left the Church, for whatever reason. Simple as that. You now subscribe to a different dogma, no longer able to receive theSacrament of the Eucharist.
This ties in neatly and explains perfectly with why you so blindly follow the Dims.
 
I read it. I even gave you a like for the post. Although it was late and I fell asleep halfway through your missive.

And no, you didn’t kill the Eucharist concept. Like a lot of Protestants, you merely selectively chose certain sections and gave your OPINION on what it meant. Here’s an example.

“Oh man, can you imagine the looks on these people’s faces?! Really? Eat His flesh? Ah, but this is where the Catholic might say, “See there? This is the Eucharist that Jesus speaks of.” But not so fast. I believe it is here that Jesus isn’t speaking of the Eucharist but of an event that hasn’t yet occurred but must occur: His passion – His death on the Cross so those who believe can have eternal life.”

Thats one of the major problems with Protestan sects. There is no consistency. Anyone can call themself a Reverend, pitch a tent, and start speaking for God. Not in the Catholic Church. Starting at the beginning, We have centuries of scholarly thought and a process for our dogma. People like Ignatius, Aquinas, More, Chesterton, Benedict and all the Popes. You have people like Joel Osteen And Benny Hinn.

You are now just one of a thousand different Christian interpretations. Talk about being a narcissist.
You forgot the snakes. We don't hand out snakes. No one has to get to church early to get the best ones. 🙄
 
OMG. Not in Francis's country. He grew up being educated by the very liberal priests who were socialists and Communists. It shaped him and formed him. He's not Russian, or Chinese. He's a South American version.
You go ahead and blindly follow him, though.
No, they weren’t communists. And he’s not. Here is one of the principles of communism.

“Religions have historically been expressions of human development-so-far. But communism is the stage of social development which will make religion superfluous, causing its disappearance.”

Do you think he agrees with this?

And yes, as leader of my Church, I will follow him.
 
He's working on it. If you cannot see that then you will do what you do.
Don't worry...they'll eat you last.
 
This ties in neatly and explains perfectly with why you so blindly follow the Dims.
Actually, I don’t blindly follow the Democrats (Dims is such a childish dig), although I‘m sure they are good people. In fact, Biden was the only Democrat I voted for in this last election. I disagree with much of the Democratic platform.

It’s the Trumpers that are the blind followers, or as many will say, a cult.
 
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Idiot? That's it. You're a clown. Politics aside, you. are. a. clown.
Ha, Do you know her? Do you know how many times I’ve been called an idiot on here? I just consider the source. Like water off a ducks back.

Please list the principles of communism that the Pope supports. I listed many of them above.
 
Actually, I don’t blindly follow the Democrats (Dims is a childish dig), although I‘m sure they are good people. In fact, Biden was the only Democrat I voted for in this last election. I disagree with much of the Democratic platform.

It’s the Trumpers that are the blind followers, or as many will say, a cult.
I'm not a Trumper, but if you voted for Biden, you're going to get the Democratic platform. Surely you are able to realize that?
Or maybe not...
 
Ha, Do you know her? Do you know how many times I’ve been called an idiot on here? I just consider the source. Like water off a ducks back.

Please list the principles of communism that the Pope supports. I listed many of them above.
He's railed on about unequal distribution of wealth, and rich v. Poor.
Incrementalism...it starts slowly...
 
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Idiot? That's it. You're a clown. Politics aside, you. are. a. clown.

Every post left here has been his attempt to start an argument. Check the tone of every post. He's only here to start a fight cause that's how he gets people to notice him.

He is painfully desperate for attention, and to be fair, he's getting a lot of it here.
 
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While we share many core values, where do Protestants get it wrong?

The Catholics like the Pharisees began to interject the teaching of man into the Word of God. On the Sabbath a Jew may NOT use an elevator because the electrical spark that is ignited when pressing the elevator button is WORK. Taking the stairs is not work?

The land must rest every seven years yet Jews rent it out to Arabs seeing this as a way to circumvent the law as they are not the one working it that year. I am sure God is just as impressed as He was when He sent them into exile in Babylon.



1. wrong Bible. Luther doesnt get to eliminate 1500 years of sacred scripture.

What did he eliminate?

2. They devalue the Eucharist.

Do we have to have a supernatural communion? Was it supernatural before Christ. What happened to the AfiKomen before Christ? When Christ did it with His disciples did it become flesh and blood? What exactly is the point if such mysticism? Does it save or is it His actual sacrifice and grace?

3. Mary is revered, not worshiped, for Catholics. Prots, in reaction, disrespect her.

Then why is she referred to as co-redemtrix. Nope she is though highly of by protestants but is no better than any of our own mothers. She was a sinner, imperfect and in need of Jesus' redemptive sacrifice. Praying to her is a waste of time because there is only one way to the Father and salvation and that is Christ Jesus.

4. Purgatory is biblical.

Where?

5. Baptism occurs to eliminate original sin. No need to wait until you are “saved.”

Sorry COC and Catholics but baptism is a ceremonial act. One is saved by grace at the point of accepting Christ. Just as the thief did on the cross. You are saved by Christ's grace alone not by and act.

6. Sola scriptura and sola fide are nonsense.

Why?

7. Apostolic succession.

Nah all male believers are priests in the order of Melchizedek and Jesus is our High Priest.

8. Catholicism is more conservative, and a better, more unchangeable barrier against liberalism.

Maybe when JPII was pope but not under this anti-pope. I liked JPII.

Original thoughts only. No links accepted.
I "liked" JP II until they rushed him into Sainthood, knowing he was completely aware of the pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church all over the world. Of course he knew. Churches everywhere were getting sued and large payments were awarded. I guarantee you JP II knew all about the Church's payoffs. Isn't that why Benedict retired?
a German lawyer charged with investigating the abuse of minors in a famous Catholic boys' choir in Bavaria revealed that two hundred and thirty-one children had been victimized over a period of decades. The attorney, Ulrich Weber, who was commissioned by the Diocese of Regensburg to conduct the inquiry, said that there were fifty credible cases of sexual abuse, along with a larger number of cases of other forms of physical abuse, from beatings to food deprivation.

The news received widespread attention not only because of its disturbing content but because the director of the Regensburg boys' choir from 1964 to 1994 was Georg Ratzinger, the older brother of Joseph Ratzinger, who became Benedict XVI. Joseph Ratzinger was the Archbishop of Munich from 1977 until 1981, when he went to head up the powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which establishes theological orthodoxy and was also one of the branches of the Church that dealt with priestly sexual abuse.
 
Catholics are not a cult. On that I will object.
The things that bind ALL Christians together are believing in God and believing that his Son Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior.
Merry Christmas.
Okay, I'd admit it isn't a cult insomuch as one would suggest having a charismatic leader or ideology superceeding the directional belief in Jesus Christ or doorknocking to have people join. But it can be as close to one as one can get.

Within the framework of the Catholic Church they hold to certain standards that must be adhered to. I didn't think too much of them as being overwhelming until I understood the simplicity of just following Jesus and not the Church with its rules. There are rules that must be followed to be in good standing within the Church. What?

Think about @BSC911 for a moment. How many times has he said "The One True Church" and "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation"? The Catholic Church has many rules to follow. They indoctrinate you through Catechism in understanding that the Catholic Church is the one Jesus first started with Peter as the first Pope. They define your salvation through the Church and not through Christ and that salvation can lost and found on a daily basis. They determine your sins as mortal or venial. Through the priest, they absolve your sins and then make sure you do penance for your failure as a human. They strap onto your back so many rules and regulations that they have a book called the catechism that is bigger than the bible. All these man-made rules and regulations placed upon you to keep you in line with THEIR teachings. They don't deny Jesus Christ. What they do is intercede in place of Jesus Christ just like the Pharisees did with their ideological rules and regulations. It's totally a works-based process. They'll deny that. I did. But it's true. All of it.
 
I "liked" JP II until they rushed him into Sainthood, knowing he was completely aware of the pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church all over the world. Of course he knew. Churches everywhere were getting sued and large payments were awarded. I guarantee you JP II knew all about the Church's payoffs. Isn't that why Benedict retired?
a German lawyer charged with investigating the abuse of minors in a famous Catholic boys' choir in Bavaria revealed that two hundred and thirty-one children had been victimized over a period of decades. The attorney, Ulrich Weber, who was commissioned by the Diocese of Regensburg to conduct the inquiry, said that there were fifty credible cases of sexual abuse, along with a larger number of cases of other forms of physical abuse, from beatings to food deprivation.

The news received widespread attention not only because of its disturbing content but because the director of the Regensburg boys' choir from 1964 to 1994 was Georg Ratzinger, the older brother of Joseph Ratzinger, who became Benedict XVI. Joseph Ratzinger was the Archbishop of Munich from 1977 until 1981, when he went to head up the powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which establishes theological orthodoxy and was also one of the branches of the Church that dealt with priestly sexual abuse.
I CANNOT believe I am about to say this, but I agree with everything you just said.
 
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Every post left here has been his attempt to start an argument. Check the tone of every post. He's only here to start a fight cause that's how he gets people to notice him.

He is painfully desperate for attention, and to be fair, he's getting a lot of it here.
And you are correct sir. He thrives for it. I cannot believe I fall for his antics. Arguing goes nowhere. Even the bible says that.
 
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He's railed on about unequal distribution of wealth, and rich v. Poor.
Incrementalism...it starts slowly...
So did Jesus.

Really, that’s all you’ve got? Believing that it’s wrong for 1% of the population to control more wealth than 90% of the population.while many are staving makes one a communist? That’s pretty weak. I guess that’s just something rich people say to make themself feel better.
 
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No, they weren’t communists. And he’s not. Here is one of the principles of communism.

“Religions have historically been expressions of human development-so-far. But communism is the stage of social development which will make religion superfluous, causing its disappearance.”

Do you think he agrees with this?

And yes, as leader of my Church, I will follow him.
This is another reason I choose not to be an active Catholic.
GOD is our leader. Not a human with an agenda that isn't part of Catholic dogma.
 
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So did Jesus.

Really, that’s all you’ve got? Believing that it’s wrong for 1% of the population to control 90% of the wealth while many are staving makes one a communist? That’s pretty weak. I guess that’s just something rich people say to make themself feel better.
I'm not rich, you clown. And the Church is one of the wealthiest entities on earth. What treasures are they liquidating in order to remedy "starving" ????
Your numbers are so inflated.
 
So did Jesus.

Really, that’s all you’ve got? Believing that it’s wrong for 1% of the population to control 90% of the wealth while many are staving makes one a communist? That’s pretty weak. I guess that’s just something rich people say to make themself feel better.
Isn’t Communism by definition the redistribution of wealth?
 
Okay, I'd admit it isn't a cult insomuch as one would suggest having a charismatic leader or ideology superceeding the directional belief in Jesus Christ or doorknocking to have people join. But it can be as close to one as one can get.

Within the framework of the Catholic Church they hold to certain standards that must be adhered to. I didn't think too much of them as being overwhelming until I understood the simplicity of just following Jesus and not the Church with its rules. There are rules that must be followed to be in good standing within the Church. What?

Think about @BSC911 for a moment. How many times has he said "The One True Church" and "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation"? The Catholic Church has many rules to follow. They indoctrinate you through Catechism in understanding that the Catholic Church is the one Jesus first started with Peter as the first Pope. They define your salvation through the Church and not through Christ and that salvation can lost and found on a daily basis. They determine your sins as mortal or venial. Through the priest, they absolve your sins and then make sure you do penance for your failure as a human. They strap onto your back so many rules and regulations that they have a book called the catechism that is bigger than the bible. All these man-made rules and regulations placed upon you to keep you in line with THEIR teachings. They don't deny Jesus Christ. What they do is intercede in place of Jesus Christ just like the Pharisees did with their ideological rules and regulations. It's totally a works-based process. They'll deny that. I did. But it's true. All of it.
All (okay most) of us raised in the Church have had these same thoughts. The realization that God does not live locked up on the altar of your local parish is a moment we've al had...okay maybe not BSC.
 
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